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00:01:05,472\n我會跟委員們再個別的拜託因為要請大家要能夠遵守時間畢竟因為剛開始這個規則也許大家還不是那麼的清楚不會啊妳第一天都講得很清楚了是謝謝王委員您有在聽我所說的規則很感謝妳以後如果要這樣部委的計時器都拐掉沒意思嘛\n\n3\n00:01:06,420 --> 00:01:21,273\n要自己說8加2說阿威阿威阿威阿威要20分錢大家都很多話要說錯在我啦他有站起來制止我是我硬要講啦錯在我不要為難主席我不會去說你啦你主席第一天自己雙心壯志\n\n4\n00:01:21,914 --> 00:01:32,906\n那我從現在開始我就會嚴格執行最多十分鐘那就麻煩王委員請開始我承認我之前可能處理的方式不是很妥當麻煩王委員請先開始我們請考選部長\n\n5\n00:01:43,118 --> 00:01:59,428\n部長好我跟你反映一件事情也在你們的報告裡頭就是說現在考公務員因為大部分來自大學校園畢業的學生你們有去跟大學討論課程地圖跟報考的關係\n\n6\n00:02:02,489 --> 00:02:23,564\n那現在發生一些問題就是說很多私立學校因為科系整併的關係那他可能兩個系併成一個系所以他的科系的名字就改了那名字改就有可能影響報考資格嘛這個沒有錯嘛好譬如說他要考土木類科\n\n7\n00:02:24,907 --> 00:02:48,535\n那他這個原來譬如說是土木工程學系什麼營建什麼系可以考類似這樣可是因為他合併以後他就可能這個科系的名字不對了跟你們原來不一樣那第二個你們當然有一個補救方法就是說那他如果大學修過哪些課至少修過多少什麼課也可以報考\n\n8\n00:02:49,468 --> 00:03:09,143\n那就會發生很多學校的課程委員各系的課程委員沒有去關心這些事情就像那個大學生他畢業以後他決定要去考公務員的時候他就發現說我不可以課不可以課他又回頭去跟原來的系長說我想要課我不可以課\n\n9\n00:03:12,174 --> 00:03:25,167\n結果這個系他可能就發一個公文到考選部去請考選部研議就是說我們這個大學某某系可不可以讓我們在你們的清單裡頭這個事情現在怎麼解決\n\n10\n00:03:28,390 --> 00:03:44,526\n跟委員報告如果是我想委員講的問題沒有錯就是如果是個案的話我們現在大概是回到我們的審議或者是說這邊解決但是可能比較徹底的解決就是我們現在正在跟各個大學去對\n\n11\n00:03:45,646 --> 00:04:13,833\n說在過去教職部委員所說你過去課程委員會可能一直改結果你都不知道說自己的戲名可能跟我們那已經偏差掉了或者是說你裡面可以考的那一科我們對出來其實現在有的學校譬如說五科有四科一科不見了然後六科有四科兩科不見了那我們現在已經對過了幾個學校像東吳成大然後我們希望接下來我們那技術是剛發展出來我們希望接下來就是說逐步的擴大去跟所有的學校\n\n12\n00:04:14,929 --> 00:04:33,001\n要把這個對一次好這個要趕快做不然有一些人剛剛就說考的人很少他不是考的人很少是因為他想考可是他沒辦法那邏輯上來說他就不是念這個科系可是他如果你讓他考他考得過對不對他可能自學嘛\n\n13\n00:04:36,553 --> 00:04:38,015\n那培養了第二專長或者去補習班補習那他考得過我比原科系的可能考得更好那考選部對這樣的學生就這樣的考生你們有什麼看法\n\n14\n00:04:51,819 --> 00:05:18,618\n目前我們是分為行政類課技術類課行政類課比較沒有問題大部分科系這樣委員說的問題會發生在技術類課那的確依現在的法制如果它沒有它不在那個科系可是它是可以修一定的課程就可以來考特別技術類課不過這邊的問題就是委員剛所說的如果要畢業就沒有辦法回頭修所以我們還是盡快的去協助各個學校好那它沒辦法修可不可以讓各大學的推廣教育開課\n\n15\n00:05:20,300 --> 00:05:29,269\n應該是我記得應該是可以可以嗎對這個有沒有限制他只要並沒有限制他只要對過我知道是可以我就說他\n\n16\n00:05:30,151 --> 00:05:56,417\n假設他原來大學念法律他現在準備來考土木技術然後他就去補習然後補習也沒有用因為補習只是繳錢於是他去某某大學的這個土木系的推廣教育然後他就去修了這些課也拿到了這些學分推廣教育的學分這些你們都認在他大學有修過這些課嗎只要是大學\n\n17\n00:05:59,059 --> 00:06:06,482\n的課程就承認那現在開的狀況怎麼樣這個我們可能要回去再清查一下因為我們現在科系的名稱越來越長就會發生這個名稱越來越長就是就是涵蓋範圍越來越廣學的越來越少最後他要參加國家考試後說我們這個學生名字這麼長結果一堆下去我不能考這個事情我現在發現這個很嚴重因為我以前在學校當系主任\n\n18\n00:06:25,988 --> 00:06:29,732\n就會有學生跑回來說主任你把我們的學名改成這樣現在海灣都不可以課海灣還可以課喔現在改完之後畢竟他不可以課就會遇到這個課題好不好這第一個\n\n19\n00:06:37,253 --> 00:07:05,429\n第二請這個秘書長這個我們秘書長請問一下我們現在的商調機制你們現在有一些新的做法我們現在說就是人才嘛那他在A單位可能就想要調B單位B單位還有一個商調函那你們現在弄了一個就是一個月要回復如果一個月沒有回復那就是第二個月就直接可以過掉嘛那後來又弄了一個這個\n\n20\n00:07:06,790 --> 00:07:24,700\n也有一點防避機制啦譬如說你調去三個位調到B單位三個位之後又去搞說我要去C單位了所以你們訂了一個六個月的機制嘛這個機制現在在公務體系的同仁裡頭現在看起來大家都接受嘛\n\n21\n00:07:25,958 --> 00:07:53,312\n跟委員報告我們在討論這個過程裡面當然要平衡兩方的需求一個是想要調的人一個是用人機關所以我們就不斷討論完以後所以才有說六個月你不能來就睡覺嘛六個月最少你要待六個月接下來就是三個月如果你找到缺了有人要你你商調完去就是三個月原機關就應該要放人如果除了原機關有非常特別少數理由可以再加三那誰認定啊\n\n22\n00:07:54,853 --> 00:08:17,142\n我們都是用人機關來處理這個事情不過現在實務上啦原來的機關就是說我有這個需求因為它還是要符合那個條件譬如像說重大災害的搶救我們那個條件還是寫得很清楚啦沒有模糊空間幾乎都是那個要認定那個東西你還是要具體的事實而且老實說我們那個現在它這是一個處分啦\n\n23\n00:08:18,863 --> 00:08:27,931\nOK好謝謝你那第三個啊你們有一個就是考試分花分花完了之後因為就是理解等於沒人要報名\n\n24\n00:08:29,159 --> 00:08:50,714\n我用人機關我要三個需求嘛那我就去報上去然後就考完試嘛那考完試都沒人要來嘛他考上去也沒人要來嘛所以你們就啟動了一個機制就是有公務人員資格的有任用資格的然後他就可以這個機關可以直接找這個有資格的就只用非限職人員啦非限職人員要有資格啦要有資格好那這個時候的這個條件\n\n25\n00:08:54,512 --> 00:09:00,317\n就你原來用人機關去跟考選部說我要請你幫我考這些人或者是怎樣的時候呢有一個條件嘛就是說條件可是你現在在用人的時候啊用人的時候那個條件會比原來他要分發的那些就是說他的條件更高還是更低會不會在這個地方被動手腳啦就是說我就是頂著很害怕的條件到我都沒人要來嗎\n\n26\n00:09:19,724 --> 00:09:29,309\n然後到最後我用的時候它是有公務人員的資格喔就是但是它我就用了它了之後呢我要用我自己的人啊所以你我叫你考選部幫我扣的時候我頂得很害怕啊然後你派來的時候派來我都說不愛啊會不會這樣我給委員報告機關報給考選部開去的時候沒有訂任何資格條件的它就說我拿來就報根據這就來了那機關如果用非限制因為它已經取得公務人員資格嘛對不對\n\n27\n00:09:47,139 --> 00:10:11,116\n那我們要非限職人至少不是說任何人都可以啦譬如說土木工程你至少一定要你這個職系要土木工程職系你要有符合土木工程任用職系的相關資格才能來嘛機關還可以設定呢就是說我可能可以教你有沒有工作經驗什麼的由機關來決定啦一般不會啦因為機關要用人你就是要自己用啊你不會拿一個石頭砸自己的腳啊那不一定喔不會啦\n\n28\n00:10:12,421 --> 00:10:27,700\n他如果有目標人選就不一定我們講是說這個因為是給機關有一個快速用的可能性機關應該有個機制會去處理我是說提醒一下因為醫藥搞不好會出現這種\n\n29\n00:10:29,042 --> 00:10:53,792\n漏洞啦這個漏洞這個要預防啦要不然以後大家剛才說我們本地開的缺駕駛就要給什麼人啊那些人現在就想要來啊他非限職啊你知道我的意思啦這個是我們會透過我想再跟行政院人事總署好好再談可以透過人事同仁的這個單位來一起來\n\n30\n00:10:55,413 --> 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譬如說他要考土木類科\n那他這個原來譬如說是土木工程學系什麼營建什麼系可以考類似這樣可是因為他合併以後他就可能這個科系的名字不對了跟你們原來不一樣那第二個你們當然有一個補救方法就是說那他如果大學修過哪些課至少修過多少什麼課也可以報考\n那就會發生很多學校的課程委員 各系的課程委員沒有去關心這些事情就像那個大學生他畢業以後 他決定要去考公務員的時候他就發現說 我不可以課 不可以課他又回頭去跟原來的系長說 我想要課 我不可以課\n結果這個系他可能就發一個公文到考選部去請考選部研議就是說我們這個大學某某系可不可以讓我們在你們的清單裡頭這個事情現在怎麼解決\n跟委員報告如果是我想委員講的問題沒有錯就是如果是個案的話我們現在大概是回到我們的審議或者是說這邊解決但是可能比較徹底的解決就是我們現在正在跟各個大學去對\n說在過去教職部委員所說你過去課程委員會可能一直改結果你都不知道說自己的戲名可能跟我們那已經偏差掉了或者是說你裡面可以考的那一科我們對出來其實現在有的學校譬如說五科有四科一科不見了然後六科有四科兩科不見了那我們現在已經對過了幾個學校像東吳 成大然後我們希望接下來我們那技術是剛發展出來我們希望接下來就是說逐步的擴大去跟所有的學校\n要把這個對一次好 這個要趕快做不然有一些人 剛剛就說考的人很少他不是考的人很少 是因為他想考可是他沒辦法那邏輯上來說 他就不是念這個科系可是他 如果你讓他考 他考得過對不對 他可能自學嘛\n那培養了第二專長或者去補習班補習那他考得過我比原科系的可能考得更好那考選部對這樣的學生就這樣的考生你們有什麼看法\n目前我們是分為行政類課 技術類課行政類課比較沒有問題 大部分科系這樣委員說的問題會發生在技術類課那的確依現在的法制如果它沒有 它不在那個科系可是它是可以修一定的課程就可以來考特別技術類課不過這邊的問題就是委員剛所說的如果要畢業就沒有辦法回頭修所以我們還是盡快的去協助各個學校好 那它沒辦法修可不可以讓各大學的推廣教育開課\n應該是我記得應該是可以可以嗎對這個有沒有限制他只要並沒有限制他只要對過我知道是可以我就說他\n假設他原來大學念法律他現在準備來考土木技術然後他就去補習然後補習也沒有用因為補習只是繳錢於是他去某某大學的這個土木系的推廣教育然後他就去修了這些課也拿到了這些學分推廣教育的學分這些你們都認在他大學有修過這些課嗎只要是大學\n的課程就承認那現在開的狀況怎麼樣這個我們可能要回去再清查一下因為我們現在科系的名稱越來越長就會發生這個名稱越來越長就是就是涵蓋範圍越來越廣學的越來越少最後他要參加國家考試後說我們這個學生名字這麼長結果一堆下去 我不能考這個事情我現在發現這個很嚴重因為我以前在學校當系主任\n就會有學生跑回來說 主任你把我們的學名改成這樣現在海灣都不可以課 海灣還可以課喔現在改完之後 畢竟他不可以課就會遇到這個課題 好不好 這第一個\n第二請這個秘書長這個我們秘書長請問一下我們現在的商調機制你們現在有一些新的做法我們現在說就是人才嘛那他在A單位可能就想要調B單位B單位還有一個商調函那你們現在弄了一個就是一個月要回復如果一個月沒有回復那就是第二個月就直接可以過掉嘛那後來又弄了一個這個\n也有一點防避機制啦譬如說你調去三個位調到B單位三個位之後又去搞說我要去C單位了所以你們訂了一個六個月的機制嘛這個機制現在在公務體系的同仁裡頭現在看起來大家都接受嘛\n跟委員報告我們在討論這個過程裡面當然要平衡兩方的需求一個是想要調的人一個是用人機關所以我們就不斷討論完以後所以才有說六個月你不能來就睡覺嘛六個月最少你要待六個月接下來就是三個月如果你找到缺了有人要你你商調完去就是三個月原機關就應該要放人如果除了原機關有非常特別少數理由可以再加三那誰認定啊\n我們都是用人機關來處理這個事情不過現在實務上啦原來的機關就是說我有這個需求因為它還是要符合那個條件譬如像說重大災害的搶救我們那個條件還是寫得很清楚啦沒有模糊空間幾乎都是那個要認定那個東西你還是要具體的事實而且老實說我們那個現在它這是一個處分啦\nOK 好 謝謝你那第三個啊 你們有一個就是考試分花分花完了之後因為就是理解等於沒人要報名\n我用人機關 我要三個需求嘛那我就去報上去 然後就考完試嘛那考完試都沒人要來嘛他考上去也沒人要來嘛所以你們就啟動了一個機制就是有公務人員資格的 有任用資格的然後他就可以 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