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00:01:28,044\n那麼政府如果缺乏技術人才那勢必會影響基層的執行力跟公共服務的品質那本席在這個部分尤其是關注原住民族特考那這個現象非常的嚴重像原住民特考的三等土木工程要用26人卻只有10個人報考那麼四等的機械工程更出現了零報考的這個情況那顯示這個制度雖然有保障名額但是卻失\n\n5\n00:01:29,784 --> 00:01:50,941\n缺乏实质跟有效的一个诱因那所以原住民特考本来原意是要让族人进入公部门回馈原乡但是现在却整个有点空放掉了所以在立法院的这个研究报告里面也已经指出希望考选部能够积极跟相关部会来会商研商提高类科\n\n6\n00:01:52,542 --> 00:02:20,821\n類科考選的一個效能那特別是針對我們東部地區的土木人才跟原鄉的STEM相關科系的職缺應該要設計相當的誘因跟培育的基地那例如這個留任的這個加級還有專業加級讓人才願意到原鄉也願意留在原鄉但是我相信這整個體系可能有很大的一個問題那本席在去年也針對有關於STEM人才的培育提出一些問題\n\n7\n00:02:21,781 --> 00:02:48,575\n那麼本席這邊有幾個問題想跟您請教那第一個部分是針對原住民族特考長期報考人數的一個下滑那考選部對原因的一個了解那對策的一個眼影是如何那另外考選部是不是有跟原民會教育部跟工程會相關的部會來協調建立原鄉與偏鄉人才培育的基地讓從基層一直到大學技職教育培養土木水利的專業基層能力\n\n8\n00:02:50,276 --> 00:03:18,213\n甚至還有農林相關的這樣類科第三個部分是對於入取不足的技職類科考選部是不是可以檢討命題的內容入取的門檻來強化教育體系專業體系的一個連結如果國家有急需工程的技術人力卻因為考題偏難或者是不服實務也沒有辦法在原鄉服務導致沒有人入取那是不是也有點浪費\n\n9\n00:03:19,013 --> 00:03:46,969\n那本席知道部長你也曾經擔任過教育部次長那是不是在這個部分有一些想法可以來執行呢給予一些建議好嗎是跟委員報告那這也是我們考選部非常在意的一個議題那就是委員所說其實那一個特別是土木工程其實包含土木電力然後其實也還有經濟跟財稅對還有農民等等考的不足額\n\n10\n00:03:47,745 --> 00:04:06,005\n大概這幾個類客就佔了快九成那這的確是一個必須去因應的問題那我們有跟那個原民會跟教育部已經有跟他們聯繫那有開會討論那最主要是我們根據我們那個原住民族的教育法那是必須要奠定一個\n\n11\n00:04:06,705 --> 00:04:31,870\n每五年要一個教育發展計畫那目前下一年度的教育發展計畫正在訂定中那我們希望能夠透過教育部跟那個園民會把培育園民的公務人才也要列為園民的這個教育這邊一個非常重要的要投資跟發展那尤其是公務體系裡面那幾個經常在缺的類科對園鄉也是非常重要的是的就如委員所說\n\n12\n00:04:33,050 --> 00:04:37,617\n那特別是我們也有注意到如果我們說在譬如說\n\n13\n00:04:38,700 --> 00:05:04,422\n我們在特考的確土木工程是個普遍嚴重的問題但是特別在原鄉部落這個問題又特別嚴重那我們其實我們有注意到在整個東部其實非常缺乏培育土木工程人才的基地因為東部是原鄉一個很重要的基地所以這個部分如果是那麼匱乏的話我想對東部的長期發展也是不太健康的是的那就如委員所說\n\n14\n00:05:05,683 --> 00:05:28,429\n但是在這些技術類可能它的基本就是委員所說的還是STAND人才所以我們會希望說是不是我們可以透過教育端還有跟我們原民會來合作可以透過我們在原民的教育體系最好是可以從包含國民教育的階段就開始來把著原民的STAND人才可以成為以後來進入這個\n\n15\n00:05:32,611 --> 00:05:35,918\n體系的一個生力軍那當然是如果更好的話是整個東部\n\n16\n00:05:36,940 --> 00:06:02,225\n也可以在高檔教育出現培育這些技術類科的人才基地所以這個部分是不是可以請你們積極的來跟各部會甚至可以請政委這邊來召開協調相關的這個協調的人才培育的一個長期計畫要不然考試院是最尾端那你們縱使開出的這些名額結果在前端都已經很匱乏的話可能考選部這邊也是有一些困難吧\n\n17\n00:06:03,236 --> 00:06:21,262\n是就如那個委員所說那其實我們目前我們卡士願的一萬委員也非常重視這個議題那我們有透過我們一萬委員然後跟我們教育部那教育部跟園民會其實也很支持我們的構想那我們希望盡快讓這一個可以在明年的園民的這個\n\n18\n00:06:22,222 --> 00:06:40,312\n接下來五年的那個原住民主教育發展計畫裡面列為一個正式的對因為這個部分本席也非常關心過去在其他委員會針對STEM原名STEM的這個人才的培育已經也提出很多次的這個質詢那我們希望在整個體系能夠連動就像你剛才也講到的\n\n19\n00:06:40,672 --> 00:07:00,719\n基礎的叫國教的這個部分其實也要能夠由大學這邊來一起拉抬那這樣在你們的這個考試類科裡面才不會常常出現不足額就算有的人才呢那回到原鄉的這個比例也不太高所以就線型的制度是不是可以先考量一下這個考題命題的這個內容的監測程度\n\n20\n00:07:01,339 --> 00:07:16,809\n針對原鄉的一個特考的這個部分那另外呢長期來講考試院可以更積極的來跟相關部會針對人才把這個一系列都這個補足那我們就不會有開出這樣子的缺額可是卻也沒有人來考的一個狀況好不好\n\n21\n00:07:18,370 --> 00:07:33,542\n這個部分也請考選部積極的列出一個時程我們這樣子才比較有效度的能夠將原命的人才來補齊很重要就公務體系是國家運轉的一個機制但是如果考不到又補不上\n\n22\n00:07:33,982 --> 00:07:51,934\n留不住那整個體系就會慢慢失能所以請部長盡快的來召開這樣一個協調會議那至少能夠讓我們原鄉的青年看到新的一個希望好謝謝部長那接下來我很快的跟秘書長這邊我要提醒一件事情\n\n23\n00:07:53,115 --> 00:08:15,264\n那個我們知道在國家考試電子證書部長您請回接下來我就針對這個考試電子證書服務推廣的這個成效的問題來跟您提出一些建議我們根據報告指出考選部開辦的這個國家考試及格證書服務網以來整個使用率有點偏低\n\n24\n00:08:16,064 --> 00:08:22,191\n所以在2023年的報告裡面指出到112年8月底下載電子證書的總次數只有27310次相較於你們核發的32267張證書\n\n25\n00:08:30,981 --> 00:08:48,954\n平均每一張沒有到一次的下載而線上申辦的也只有24.67%也就是說四分之三的考生也是仍然選擇職本申辦我相信你們這樣子一個利益良好可是在執行上是不是有一些沒有達到的一個部分\n\n26\n00:08:49,654 --> 00:09:05,137\n因為在113年8月底下載的次數達到6萬多次但是核發的7萬多張證書相比還是沒有達到1比1的水準所以連續兩年大概都沒有辦法達到1比1所以這個電子證書的推動也是你們轉型的\n\n27\n00:09:06,379 --> 00:09:14,164\n業務很重要的其中之一我們能夠讓節能省碳成為一個未來的方向但是連兩年這樣推廣的不足的情況下是不是在制度設計跟使用者的體驗上有一些差異所以有三個問題就是說考試院是不是能夠檢視操作流程直覺性或介面的友善度這常常是大家公佈你們裡面一個普遍的問題\n\n28\n00:09:33,977 --> 00:09:54,795\n但是有許多機關企業也是仍然要求資本的驗證是不是這中間讓考生會覺得電子版不實用第二個部分你們現在有沒有計畫如何提升普及率最後是考試院是不是要積極的宣導電子證書的法律效力這個數位轉型也才能夠落實秘書長這邊\n\n29\n00:09:56,616 --> 00:10:15,661\n我簡單跟委員說明委員您剛剛所有的建議我們前面都有做我有一個誤解我可能要跟您說明我們的制度是這樣你一定要繳電子證書的錢100塊錢的成本然後它一定會有電子證書但是如果你需要紙本證書你就額外申請\n\n30\n00:10:16,781 --> 00:10:35,874\n我們一直在試圖降低就是宣導說大家用電子證書就好不一定要來申請資本因為資本成本也貴500元可是這中間可能是這個企業跟公部門他們能夠接受的比例比較低吧所以我們這個都有在宣導告訴大家說你只要有電子而且電子證書也方便驗證有些人只能為了留紀念可能\n\n31\n00:10:36,434 --> 00:10:49,370\n基於各種原因他想要覺得考上了很不容易要留一個紙本他不在乎500塊但是我跟您報告現在電子證書就是說你考上了你一定拿到電子證書可是有額外申請紙本證書的比例都在20%以下\n\n32\n00:10:51,021 --> 00:11:06,069\n就是說大家對於電子證書的使用普遍率不高第一個是這樣您講到說為什麼它沒有每一個人都下載因為它不一定需要下載的時候它不會立刻下載我發出去之後它也許真的需要的時候它才會去下載\n\n33\n00:11:07,369 --> 00:11:30,966\n第二個是說他可能有申請資本證書的人他也不會去下載所以這個部分我覺得是看使用者個人的習慣但是我們的成效是展現在說現在所有考生及格者入取者有申請資本證書的都已經不到20%所以已經一路這樣下降我們觀察今年的趨勢還有稍微降得更低\n\n34\n00:11:31,426 --> 00:11:52,054\n所以你們是從大家申請紙本的這個申請率來看待但是您剛才提到一點就表示八成以上的人都接受只有電子證書了所以其中有一點就是說他如果現在沒有需要他就不會去下載那你們是不是可以從這個下載率看他的一個普遍性我想應該你們可以從這樣一個因素裡面去做一些調查有的時候他不需要下載\n\n35\n00:11:52,574 --> 00:12:15,422\n譬如說我以護理師考試來講護理師考試我們入局者其實他們直接發到衛福部去衛福部給他們職業證書他有了職業證書其實他不用有考試及格證書所以他不用自己去給予這個證書的證明嗎對他也不需要自己拿去那邊申請他的職業證照他直接從衛福部這邊去檢視就好了對我們會直接跟衛福部做因為我們希望他迅速拿到證照可以直接去\n\n36\n00:12:15,782 --> 00:12:29,438\n那你們是不是可以針對本席所講的這樣一個對針對這個部分然後還有針對你們去這個研考的因素中間的一個差距那這個本席要知道這個差距沒有問題好嗎好的謝謝謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9412\t14442\t謝謝我們主席翁昭偉我先請那個考選部我們劉部長請劉部長\n19551\t38682\t委員長部長好過去國考是穩定的象徵本期現在看到公務人員的公務人才的流失跟報考的意願低迷根據考選部的統計2023年有16個類科的報考數少於需要錄取的人數\n39782\t61296\t甚至有四個類科沒有人報考高普考錄取不足的人數總人數達268人達近年很高的一個紀錄錄取不足的現象尤其集中在技術類科包含建築、土木、機械、水力、電力工程等這都是國家在建設上很重要在公共安全的關鍵崗位\n62717\t88044\t那麼政府如果缺乏技術人才那勢必會影響基層的執行力跟公共服務的品質那本席在這個部分尤其是關注原住民族特考那這個現象非常的嚴重像原住民特考的三等土木工程要用26人卻只有10個人報考那麼四等的機械工程更出現了零報考的這個情況那顯示這個制度雖然有保障名額但是卻失\n89784\t110941\t缺乏实质跟有效的一个诱因那所以原住民特考本来原意是要让族人进入公部门回馈原乡但是现在却整个有点空放掉了所以在立法院的这个研究报告里面也已经指出希望考选部能够积极跟相关部会来会商研商提高类科\n112542\t140821\t類科考選的一個效能那特別是針對我們東部地區的土木人才跟原鄉的STEM相關科系的職缺應該要設計相當的誘因跟培育的基地那例如這個留任的這個加級還有專業加級讓人才願意到原鄉也願意留在原鄉但是我相信這整個體系可能有很大的一個問題那本席在去年也針對有關於STEM人才的培育提出一些問題\n141781\t168575\t那麼本席這邊有幾個問題想跟您請教那第一個部分是針對原住民族特考長期報考人數的一個下滑那考選部對原因的一個了解那對策的一個眼影是如何那另外考選部是不是有跟原民會教育部跟工程會相關的部會來協調建立原鄉與偏鄉人才培育的基地讓從基層一直到大學技職教育培養土木水利的專業基層能力\n170276\t198213\t甚至還有農林相關的這樣類科第三個部分是對於入取不足的技職類科考選部是不是可以檢討命題的內容入取的門檻來強化教育體系專業體系的一個連結如果國家有急需工程的技術人力卻因為考題偏難或者是不服實務也沒有辦法在原鄉服務導致沒有人入取那是不是也有點浪費\n199013\t226969\t那本席知道部長你也曾經擔任過教育部次長那是不是在這個部分有一些想法可以來執行呢給予一些建議好嗎是跟委員報告那這也是我們考選部非常在意的一個議題那就是委員所說其實那一個特別是土木工程其實包含土木電力然後其實也還有經濟跟財稅對還有農民等等考的不足額\n227745\t246005\t大概這幾個類客就佔了快九成那這的確是一個必須去因應的問題那我們有跟那個原民會跟教育部已經有跟他們聯繫那有開會討論那最主要是我們根據我們那個原住民族的教育法那是必須要奠定一個\n246705\t271870\t每五年要一個教育發展計畫那目前下一年度的教育發展計畫正在訂定中那我們希望能夠透過教育部跟那個園民會把培育園民的公務人才也要列為園民的這個教育這邊一個非常重要的要投資跟發展那尤其是公務體系裡面那幾個經常在缺的類科對園鄉也是非常重要的是的 就如委員所說\n273050\t277617\t那特別是我們也有注意到如果我們說在譬如說\n278700\t304422\t我們在特考的確土木工程是個普遍嚴重的問題但是特別在原鄉部落這個問題又特別嚴重那我們其實我們有注意到在整個東部其實非常缺乏培育土木工程人才的基地因為東部是原鄉一個很重要的基地所以這個部分如果是那麼匱乏的話我想對東部的長期發展也是不太健康的是的 那就如委員所說\n305683\t328429\t但是在這些技術類可能它的基本就是委員所說的還是STAND人才所以我們會希望說是不是我們可以透過教育端還有跟我們原民會來合作可以透過我們在原民的教育體系最好是可以從包含國民教育的階段就開始來把著原民的STAND人才可以成為以後來進入這個\n332611\t335918\t體系的一個生力軍那當然是如果更好的話是整個東部\n336940\t362225\t也可以在高檔教育出現培育這些技術類科的人才基地所以這個部分是不是可以請你們積極的來跟各部會甚至可以請政委這邊來召開協調相關的這個協調的人才培育的一個長期計畫要不然考試院是最尾端那你們縱使開出的這些名額結果在前端都已經很匱乏的話可能考選部這邊也是有一些困難吧\n363236\t381262\t是 就如那個委員所說 那其實我們目前我們卡士願的一萬委員也非常重視這個議題那我們有透過我們一萬委員 然後跟我們教育部那教育部跟園民會其實也很支持我們的構想那我們希望盡快讓這一個可以在明年的園民的這個\n382222\t400312\t接下來五年的那個原住民主教育發展計畫裡面列為一個正式的對 因為這個部分本席也非常關心過去在其他委員會針對STEM原名STEM的這個人才的培育已經也提出很多次的這個質詢那我們希望在整個體系能夠連動就像你剛才也講到的\n400672\t420719\t基礎的叫國教的這個部分其實也要能夠由大學這邊來一起拉抬那這樣在你們的這個考試類科裡面才不會常常出現不足額就算有的人才呢那回到原鄉的這個比例也不太高所以就線型的制度是不是可以先考量一下這個考題命題的這個內容的監測程度\n421339\t436809\t針對原鄉的一個特考的這個部分那另外呢長期來講考試院可以更積極的來跟相關部會針對人才把這個一系列都這個補足那我們就不會有開出這樣子的缺額可是卻也沒有人來考的一個狀況好不好\n438370\t453542\t這個部分也請考選部積極的列出一個時程我們這樣子才比較有效度的能夠將原命的人才來補齊很重要就公務體系是國家運轉的一個機制但是如果考不到又補不上\n453982\t471934\t留不住那整個體系就會慢慢失能所以請部長盡快的來召開這樣一個協調會議那至少能夠讓我們原鄉的青年看到新的一個希望好 謝謝部長那接下來我很快的跟秘書長這邊我要提醒一件事情\n473115\t495264\t那個我們知道在國家考試電子證書部長您請回接下來我就針對這個考試電子證書服務推廣的這個成效的問題來跟您提出一些建議我們根據報告指出考選部開辦的這個國家考試及格證書服務網以來整個使用率有點偏低\n496064\t502191\t所以在2023年的報告裡面指出到112年8月底下載電子證書的總次數只有27310次相較於你們核發的32267張證書\n510981\t528954\t平均每一張沒有到一次的下載而線上申辦的也只有24.67%也就是說四分之三的考生也是仍然選擇職本申辦我相信你們這樣子一個利益良好可是在執行上是不是有一些沒有達到的一個部分\n529654\t545137\t因為在113年8月底下載的次數達到6萬多次但是核發的7萬多張證書相比還是沒有達到1比1的水準所以連續兩年大概都沒有辦法達到1比1所以這個電子證書的推動也是你們轉型的\n546379\t554164\t業務很重要的其中之一我們能夠讓節能省碳成為一個未來的方向但是連兩年這樣推廣的不足的情況下是不是在制度設計跟使用者的體驗上有一些差異所以有三個問題就是說考試院是不是能夠檢視操作流程直覺性或介面的友善度這常常是大家公佈你們裡面一個普遍的問題\n573977\t594795\t但是有許多機關企業也是仍然要求資本的驗證是不是這中間讓考生會覺得電子版不實用第二個部分你們現在有沒有計畫如何提升普及率最後是考試院是不是要積極的宣導電子證書的法律效力這個數位轉型也才能夠落實秘書長這邊\n596616\t615661\t我簡單跟委員說明委員您剛剛所有的建議我們前面都有做我有一個誤解我可能要跟您說明我們的制度是這樣你一定要繳電子證書的錢100塊錢的成本然後它一定會有電子證書但是如果你需要紙本證書你就額外申請\n616781\t635874\t我們一直在試圖降低就是宣導說大家用電子證書就好不一定要來申請資本因為資本成本也貴500元可是這中間可能是這個企業跟公部門他們能夠接受的比例比較低吧所以我們這個都有在宣導告訴大家說你只要有電子而且電子證書也方便驗證有些人只能為了留紀念可能\n636434\t649370\t基於各種原因他想要覺得考上了很不容易要留一個紙本他不在乎500塊但是我跟您報告現在電子證書就是說你考上了你一定拿到電子證書可是有額外申請紙本證書的比例都在20%以下\n651021\t666069\t就是說大家對於電子證書的使用普遍率不高第一個是這樣您講到說為什麼它沒有每一個人都下載因為它不一定需要下載的時候它不會立刻下載我發出去之後它也許真的需要的時候它才會去下載\n667369\t690966\t第二個是說他可能有申請資本證書的人他也不會去下載所以這個部分我覺得是看使用者個人的習慣但是我們的成效是展現在說現在所有考生及格者 入取者有申請資本證書的都已經不到20%所以已經一路這樣下降我們觀察今年的趨勢還有稍微降得更低\n691426\t712054\t所以你們是從大家申請紙本的這個申請率來看待但是您剛才提到一點就表示八成以上的人都接受只有電子證書了所以其中有一點就是說他如果現在沒有需要他就不會去下載那你們是不是可以從這個下載率看他的一個普遍性我想應該你們可以從這樣一個因素裡面去做一些調查有的時候他不需要下載\n712574\t735422\t譬如說我以護理師考試來講護理師考試我們入局者其實他們直接發到衛福部去衛福部給他們職業證書他有了職業證書其實他不用有考試及格證書所以他不用自己去給予這個證書的證明嗎對 他也不需要自己拿去那邊申請他的職業證照他直接從衛福部這邊去檢視就好了對 我們會直接跟衛福部做因為我們希望他迅速拿到證照可以直接去\n735782\t749438\t那你們是不是可以針對本席所講的這樣一個對 針對這個部分然後還有針對你們去這個研考的因素中間的一個差距那這個本席要知道這個差距沒有問題好嗎好的 謝謝謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝我們主席翁昭偉我先請那個考選部我們劉部長請劉部長\n委員長部長好過去國考是穩定的象徵本期現在看到公務人員的公務人才的流失跟報考的意願低迷根據考選部的統計2023年有16個類科的報考數少於需要錄取的人數\n甚至有四個類科沒有人報考高普考錄取不足的人數總人數達268人達近年很高的一個紀錄錄取不足的現象尤其集中在技術類科包含建築、土木、機械、水力、電力工程等這都是國家在建設上很重要在公共安全的關鍵崗位\n那麼政府如果缺乏技術人才那勢必會影響基層的執行力跟公共服務的品質那本席在這個部分尤其是關注原住民族特考那這個現象非常的嚴重像原住民特考的三等土木工程要用26人卻只有10個人報考那麼四等的機械工程更出現了零報考的這個情況那顯示這個制度雖然有保障名額但是卻失\n缺乏实质跟有效的一个诱因那所以原住民特考本来原意是要让族人进入公部门回馈原乡但是现在却整个有点空放掉了所以在立法院的这个研究报告里面也已经指出希望考选部能够积极跟相关部会来会商研商提高类科\n類科考選的一個效能那特別是針對我們東部地區的土木人才跟原鄉的STEM相關科系的職缺應該要設計相當的誘因跟培育的基地那例如這個留任的這個加級還有專業加級讓人才願意到原鄉也願意留在原鄉但是我相信這整個體系可能有很大的一個問題那本席在去年也針對有關於STEM人才的培育提出一些問題\n那麼本席這邊有幾個問題想跟您請教那第一個部分是針對原住民族特考長期報考人數的一個下滑那考選部對原因的一個了解那對策的一個眼影是如何那另外考選部是不是有跟原民會教育部跟工程會相關的部會來協調建立原鄉與偏鄉人才培育的基地讓從基層一直到大學技職教育培養土木水利的專業基層能力\n甚至還有農林相關的這樣類科第三個部分是對於入取不足的技職類科考選部是不是可以檢討命題的內容入取的門檻來強化教育體系專業體系的一個連結如果國家有急需工程的技術人力卻因為考題偏難或者是不服實務也沒有辦法在原鄉服務導致沒有人入取那是不是也有點浪費\n那本席知道部長你也曾經擔任過教育部次長那是不是在這個部分有一些想法可以來執行呢給予一些建議好嗎是跟委員報告那這也是我們考選部非常在意的一個議題那就是委員所說其實那一個特別是土木工程其實包含土木電力然後其實也還有經濟跟財稅對還有農民等等考的不足額\n大概這幾個類客就佔了快九成那這的確是一個必須去因應的問題那我們有跟那個原民會跟教育部已經有跟他們聯繫那有開會討論那最主要是我們根據我們那個原住民族的教育法那是必須要奠定一個\n每五年要一個教育發展計畫那目前下一年度的教育發展計畫正在訂定中那我們希望能夠透過教育部跟那個園民會把培育園民的公務人才也要列為園民的這個教育這邊一個非常重要的要投資跟發展那尤其是公務體系裡面那幾個經常在缺的類科對園鄉也是非常重要的是的 就如委員所說\n那特別是我們也有注意到如果我們說在譬如說\n我們在特考的確土木工程是個普遍嚴重的問題但是特別在原鄉部落這個問題又特別嚴重那我們其實我們有注意到在整個東部其實非常缺乏培育土木工程人才的基地因為東部是原鄉一個很重要的基地所以這個部分如果是那麼匱乏的話我想對東部的長期發展也是不太健康的是的 那就如委員所說\n但是在這些技術類可能它的基本就是委員所說的還是STAND人才所以我們會希望說是不是我們可以透過教育端還有跟我們原民會來合作可以透過我們在原民的教育體系最好是可以從包含國民教育的階段就開始來把著原民的STAND人才可以成為以後來進入這個\n體系的一個生力軍那當然是如果更好的話是整個東部\n也可以在高檔教育出現培育這些技術類科的人才基地所以這個部分是不是可以請你們積極的來跟各部會甚至可以請政委這邊來召開協調相關的這個協調的人才培育的一個長期計畫要不然考試院是最尾端那你們縱使開出的這些名額結果在前端都已經很匱乏的話可能考選部這邊也是有一些困難吧\n是 就如那個委員所說 那其實我們目前我們卡士願的一萬委員也非常重視這個議題那我們有透過我們一萬委員 然後跟我們教育部那教育部跟園民會其實也很支持我們的構想那我們希望盡快讓這一個可以在明年的園民的這個\n接下來五年的那個原住民主教育發展計畫裡面列為一個正式的對 因為這個部分本席也非常關心過去在其他委員會針對STEM原名STEM的這個人才的培育已經也提出很多次的這個質詢那我們希望在整個體系能夠連動就像你剛才也講到的\n基礎的叫國教的這個部分其實也要能夠由大學這邊來一起拉抬那這樣在你們的這個考試類科裡面才不會常常出現不足額就算有的人才呢那回到原鄉的這個比例也不太高所以就線型的制度是不是可以先考量一下這個考題命題的這個內容的監測程度\n針對原鄉的一個特考的這個部分那另外呢長期來講考試院可以更積極的來跟相關部會針對人才把這個一系列都這個補足那我們就不會有開出這樣子的缺額可是卻也沒有人來考的一個狀況好不好\n這個部分也請考選部積極的列出一個時程我們這樣子才比較有效度的能夠將原命的人才來補齊很重要就公務體系是國家運轉的一個機制但是如果考不到又補不上\n留不住那整個體系就會慢慢失能所以請部長盡快的來召開這樣一個協調會議那至少能夠讓我們原鄉的青年看到新的一個希望好 謝謝部長那接下來我很快的跟秘書長這邊我要提醒一件事情\n那個我們知道在國家考試電子證書部長您請回接下來我就針對這個考試電子證書服務推廣的這個成效的問題來跟您提出一些建議我們根據報告指出考選部開辦的這個國家考試及格證書服務網以來整個使用率有點偏低\n所以在2023年的報告裡面指出到112年8月底下載電子證書的總次數只有27310次相較於你們核發的32267張證書\n平均每一張沒有到一次的下載而線上申辦的也只有24.67%也就是說四分之三的考生也是仍然選擇職本申辦我相信你們這樣子一個利益良好可是在執行上是不是有一些沒有達到的一個部分\n因為在113年8月底下載的次數達到6萬多次但是核發的7萬多張證書相比還是沒有達到1比1的水準所以連續兩年大概都沒有辦法達到1比1所以這個電子證書的推動也是你們轉型的\n業務很重要的其中之一我們能夠讓節能省碳成為一個未來的方向但是連兩年這樣推廣的不足的情況下是不是在制度設計跟使用者的體驗上有一些差異所以有三個問題就是說考試院是不是能夠檢視操作流程直覺性或介面的友善度這常常是大家公佈你們裡面一個普遍的問題\n但是有許多機關企業也是仍然要求資本的驗證是不是這中間讓考生會覺得電子版不實用第二個部分你們現在有沒有計畫如何提升普及率最後是考試院是不是要積極的宣導電子證書的法律效力這個數位轉型也才能夠落實秘書長這邊\n我簡單跟委員說明委員您剛剛所有的建議我們前面都有做我有一個誤解我可能要跟您說明我們的制度是這樣你一定要繳電子證書的錢100塊錢的成本然後它一定會有電子證書但是如果你需要紙本證書你就額外申請\n我們一直在試圖降低就是宣導說大家用電子證書就好不一定要來申請資本因為資本成本也貴500元可是這中間可能是這個企業跟公部門他們能夠接受的比例比較低吧所以我們這個都有在宣導告訴大家說你只要有電子而且電子證書也方便驗證有些人只能為了留紀念可能\n基於各種原因他想要覺得考上了很不容易要留一個紙本他不在乎500塊但是我跟您報告現在電子證書就是說你考上了你一定拿到電子證書可是有額外申請紙本證書的比例都在20%以下\n就是說大家對於電子證書的使用普遍率不高第一個是這樣您講到說為什麼它沒有每一個人都下載因為它不一定需要下載的時候它不會立刻下載我發出去之後它也許真的需要的時候它才會去下載\n第二個是說他可能有申請資本證書的人他也不會去下載所以這個部分我覺得是看使用者個人的習慣但是我們的成效是展現在說現在所有考生及格者 入取者有申請資本證書的都已經不到20%所以已經一路這樣下降我們觀察今年的趨勢還有稍微降得更低\n所以你們是從大家申請紙本的這個申請率來看待但是您剛才提到一點就表示八成以上的人都接受只有電子證書了所以其中有一點就是說他如果現在沒有需要他就不會去下載那你們是不是可以從這個下載率看他的一個普遍性我想應該你們可以從這樣一個因素裡面去做一些調查有的時候他不需要下載\n譬如說我以護理師考試來講護理師考試我們入局者其實他們直接發到衛福部去衛福部給他們職業證書他有了職業證書其實他不用有考試及格證書所以他不用自己去給予這個證書的證明嗎對 他也不需要自己拿去那邊申請他的職業證照他直接從衛福部這邊去檢視就好了對 我們會直接跟衛福部做因為我們希望他迅速拿到證照可以直接去\n那你們是不是可以針對本席所講的這樣一個對 針對這個部分然後還有針對你們去這個研考的因素中間的一個差距那這個本席要知道這個差距沒有問題好嗎好的 謝謝謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.412 --> 00:14.442\n謝謝我們主席翁昭偉我先請那個考選部我們劉部長請劉部長\n\n00:19.551 --> 00:38.682\n委員長部長好過去國考是穩定的象徵本期現在看到公務人員的公務人才的流失跟報考的意願低迷根據考選部的統計2023年有16個類科的報考數少於需要錄取的人數\n\n00:39.782 --> 01:01.296\n甚至有四個類科沒有人報考高普考錄取不足的人數總人數達268人達近年很高的一個紀錄錄取不足的現象尤其集中在技術類科包含建築、土木、機械、水力、電力工程等這都是國家在建設上很重要在公共安全的關鍵崗位\n\n01:02.717 --> 01:28.044\n那麼政府如果缺乏技術人才那勢必會影響基層的執行力跟公共服務的品質那本席在這個部分尤其是關注原住民族特考那這個現象非常的嚴重像原住民特考的三等土木工程要用26人卻只有10個人報考那麼四等的機械工程更出現了零報考的這個情況那顯示這個制度雖然有保障名額但是卻失\n\n01:29.784 --> 01:50.941\n缺乏实质跟有效的一个诱因那所以原住民特考本来原意是要让族人进入公部门回馈原乡但是现在却整个有点空放掉了所以在立法院的这个研究报告里面也已经指出希望考选部能够积极跟相关部会来会商研商提高类科\n\n01:52.542 --> 02:20.821\n類科考選的一個效能那特別是針對我們東部地區的土木人才跟原鄉的STEM相關科系的職缺應該要設計相當的誘因跟培育的基地那例如這個留任的這個加級還有專業加級讓人才願意到原鄉也願意留在原鄉但是我相信這整個體系可能有很大的一個問題那本席在去年也針對有關於STEM人才的培育提出一些問題\n\n02:21.781 --> 02:48.575\n那麼本席這邊有幾個問題想跟您請教那第一個部分是針對原住民族特考長期報考人數的一個下滑那考選部對原因的一個了解那對策的一個眼影是如何那另外考選部是不是有跟原民會教育部跟工程會相關的部會來協調建立原鄉與偏鄉人才培育的基地讓從基層一直到大學技職教育培養土木水利的專業基層能力\n\n02:50.276 --> 03:18.213\n甚至還有農林相關的這樣類科第三個部分是對於入取不足的技職類科考選部是不是可以檢討命題的內容入取的門檻來強化教育體系專業體系的一個連結如果國家有急需工程的技術人力卻因為考題偏難或者是不服實務也沒有辦法在原鄉服務導致沒有人入取那是不是也有點浪費\n\n03:19.013 --> 03:46.969\n那本席知道部長你也曾經擔任過教育部次長那是不是在這個部分有一些想法可以來執行呢給予一些建議好嗎是跟委員報告那這也是我們考選部非常在意的一個議題那就是委員所說其實那一個特別是土木工程其實包含土木電力然後其實也還有經濟跟財稅對還有農民等等考的不足額\n\n03:47.745 --> 04:06.005\n大概這幾個類客就佔了快九成那這的確是一個必須去因應的問題那我們有跟那個原民會跟教育部已經有跟他們聯繫那有開會討論那最主要是我們根據我們那個原住民族的教育法那是必須要奠定一個\n\n04:06.705 --> 04:31.870\n每五年要一個教育發展計畫那目前下一年度的教育發展計畫正在訂定中那我們希望能夠透過教育部跟那個園民會把培育園民的公務人才也要列為園民的這個教育這邊一個非常重要的要投資跟發展那尤其是公務體系裡面那幾個經常在缺的類科對園鄉也是非常重要的是的就如委員所說\n\n04:33.050 --> 04:37.617\n那特別是我們也有注意到如果我們說在譬如說\n\n04:38.700 --> 05:04.422\n我們在特考的確土木工程是個普遍嚴重的問題但是特別在原鄉部落這個問題又特別嚴重那我們其實我們有注意到在整個東部其實非常缺乏培育土木工程人才的基地因為東部是原鄉一個很重要的基地所以這個部分如果是那麼匱乏的話我想對東部的長期發展也是不太健康的是的那就如委員所說\n\n05:05.683 --> 05:28.429\n但是在這些技術類可能它的基本就是委員所說的還是STAND人才所以我們會希望說是不是我們可以透過教育端還有跟我們原民會來合作可以透過我們在原民的教育體系最好是可以從包含國民教育的階段就開始來把著原民的STAND人才可以成為以後來進入這個\n\n05:32.611 --> 05:35.918\n體系的一個生力軍那當然是如果更好的話是整個東部\n\n05:36.940 --> 06:02.225\n也可以在高檔教育出現培育這些技術類科的人才基地所以這個部分是不是可以請你們積極的來跟各部會甚至可以請政委這邊來召開協調相關的這個協調的人才培育的一個長期計畫要不然考試院是最尾端那你們縱使開出的這些名額結果在前端都已經很匱乏的話可能考選部這邊也是有一些困難吧\n\n06:03.236 --> 06:21.262\n是就如那個委員所說那其實我們目前我們卡士願的一萬委員也非常重視這個議題那我們有透過我們一萬委員然後跟我們教育部那教育部跟園民會其實也很支持我們的構想那我們希望盡快讓這一個可以在明年的園民的這個\n\n06:22.222 --> 06:40.312\n接下來五年的那個原住民主教育發展計畫裡面列為一個正式的對因為這個部分本席也非常關心過去在其他委員會針對STEM原名STEM的這個人才的培育已經也提出很多次的這個質詢那我們希望在整個體系能夠連動就像你剛才也講到的\n\n06:40.672 --> 07:00.719\n基礎的叫國教的這個部分其實也要能夠由大學這邊來一起拉抬那這樣在你們的這個考試類科裡面才不會常常出現不足額就算有的人才呢那回到原鄉的這個比例也不太高所以就線型的制度是不是可以先考量一下這個考題命題的這個內容的監測程度\n\n07:01.339 --> 07:16.809\n針對原鄉的一個特考的這個部分那另外呢長期來講考試院可以更積極的來跟相關部會針對人才把這個一系列都這個補足那我們就不會有開出這樣子的缺額可是卻也沒有人來考的一個狀況好不好\n\n07:18.370 --> 07:33.542\n這個部分也請考選部積極的列出一個時程我們這樣子才比較有效度的能夠將原命的人才來補齊很重要就公務體系是國家運轉的一個機制但是如果考不到又補不上\n\n07:33.982 --> 07:51.934\n留不住那整個體系就會慢慢失能所以請部長盡快的來召開這樣一個協調會議那至少能夠讓我們原鄉的青年看到新的一個希望好謝謝部長那接下來我很快的跟秘書長這邊我要提醒一件事情\n\n07:53.115 --> 08:15.264\n那個我們知道在國家考試電子證書部長您請回接下來我就針對這個考試電子證書服務推廣的這個成效的問題來跟您提出一些建議我們根據報告指出考選部開辦的這個國家考試及格證書服務網以來整個使用率有點偏低\n\n08:16.064 --> 08:22.191\n所以在2023年的報告裡面指出到112年8月底下載電子證書的總次數只有27310次相較於你們核發的32267張證書\n\n08:30.981 --> 08:48.954\n平均每一張沒有到一次的下載而線上申辦的也只有24.67%也就是說四分之三的考生也是仍然選擇職本申辦我相信你們這樣子一個利益良好可是在執行上是不是有一些沒有達到的一個部分\n\n08:49.654 --> 09:05.137\n因為在113年8月底下載的次數達到6萬多次但是核發的7萬多張證書相比還是沒有達到1比1的水準所以連續兩年大概都沒有辦法達到1比1所以這個電子證書的推動也是你們轉型的\n\n09:06.379 --> 09:14.164\n業務很重要的其中之一我們能夠讓節能省碳成為一個未來的方向但是連兩年這樣推廣的不足的情況下是不是在制度設計跟使用者的體驗上有一些差異所以有三個問題就是說考試院是不是能夠檢視操作流程直覺性或介面的友善度這常常是大家公佈你們裡面一個普遍的問題\n\n09:33.977 --> 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