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{\"word\": \"好\", \"start\": 756.748, \"end\": 757.749, \"score\": 0.969}, {\"word\": \"好\", \"start\": 757.749, \"end\": 757.969, \"score\": 0.908}, {\"word\": \"謝\"}, {\"word\": \"謝\"}, {\"word\": \"委\", \"start\": 757.969, \"end\": 758.069, \"score\": 0.947}, {\"word\": \"員\"}, {\"word\": \"好\", \"start\": 758.069, \"end\": 758.089, \"score\": 0.0}, {\"word\": \"謝\"}, {\"word\": \"謝\"}], \"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:12,286 --> 00:00:17,909\n主席我們先請秘書長那我是不是也請這個保訓會的蔡主委委員長秘書長早\n\n2\n00:00:26,844 --> 00:00:53,193\n這個我等一下這個有關的相關問題一些原則性的部分請秘書長回答那一些細節執行的部分可能請保全會主委這邊來答覆這個關於我們今天業務報告在第二頁的時候提到我這邊所列出來了有關於這個因為我們今年在今年的這個6月24號本院通過這個公務人員保障法的這個修正\n\n3\n00:00:54,471 --> 00:01:17,139\n那公布之後預計在明年的1月9號部分條文在明年1月9號開始實施了那也有半年的時間但是這個根據這個修法這個6月的修法這個裡面的第19條的第一項的授權我們有關這個\n\n4\n00:01:19,235 --> 00:01:44,729\n這個公務人員的這個安全衛生防護辦法公會辦法我們事實上是在緊接著我們在6月今年的6月29號就已經做修正那7月1號就開始實施了對不對那這個我看了這個你們的這些書面報告那這個還有相關的這些新聞稿\n\n5\n00:01:46,332 --> 00:02:11,002\n以及相關的這些修法說明這個部分我想這個公衛辦法確實是在公務人員反霸凌的部分霸凌的防治一個非常重要的法令也是重要的機制這個部分那時候我們在修法的時候本院也通過了許多決議跟附帶決議\n\n6\n00:02:12,282 --> 00:02:32,908\n我就一一檢視看我們這個當時的這些附帶決議做的其實我們考試院這邊其實我看是基本上該做的是做的相當的完備完備但是因為畢竟新法上路這部分我有一些部分要來跟這個我們考試院來這邊來了解一下我們這次這個\n\n7\n00:02:36,892 --> 00:02:56,455\n安慰辦法這個有關修法的部分說名稱也改了應該是按照依照19條的文字這公務人員保障法19條文字所以我們加上這個執行職務安全的部這幾個字這符合這個法令的授權大概有幾個比較重要的機制其中一個\n\n8\n00:02:58,291 --> 00:03:14,805\n一個就是必須要召開這個安全衛生諮詢會這是一個另外一個這個有關申訴機制的建立最重要的一個新建的我一個有關落實足跡監督檢查跟通報制度這部分過去沒有\n\n9\n00:03:15,786 --> 00:03:44,705\n也就是說有關於這些公務人員安全衛生防護的部分必須要足及定期專案安全抽檢對不對這部分是新的因為我們這個已經7月1號就已經開始實施我們這是公務人保障法上面授權的一個執法這個執法之下安危辦法本身它又必須要配合許多配套的這些法規必須要修改\n\n10\n00:03:45,866 --> 00:04:10,807\n那我看你們這邊你們的這個保訓會的這些業務報告裡面也說明的蠻清楚一些相關的這些執法配套措施你們大概也都做了修正包括這個健康檢查實施要點這些這個職場霸凌的防治處理原則包括這個安全衛生設施管理要點包括這個安全衛生防護抽查作業實施要點等等這些相關執法你們都已經做修正\n\n11\n00:04:12,228 --> 00:04:24,085\n我現在要了解的這個部分看市秘書長回答或是保訓會主委來回答因為我們按照這個我們現在所修訂的這個安慰辦法裡面的第四條\n\n12\n00:04:25,509 --> 00:04:48,004\n有規定第四條規定的是有關於這個這個安全衛生諮詢會的設置你們用的這個這個文字是主管機關得聘請也就得設置諮詢會諮詢會是得設置啦要不要設置不曉得那第五條的部分是這個安全衛生防護委員會這個是應設立每個機關都應該設立\n\n13\n00:04:51,038 --> 00:05:20,091\n那這個從7月1號到現在7月1號實施到現在已經10月今天已經10月9號了嘛今天10月9號了那實施到現在現行的這個中央部會跟地方政府機關是不是都已經按照這個規定成立了這個衛生防護委員會這部分能不能說明一下我們有沒有這個盤點我們有沒有去看目前所有的中央跟地方的這些相關機關是不是都已經設立了這個防護委員會\n\n14\n00:05:23,061 --> 00:05:43,500\n跟委員報告謝謝委員的這個之前的支持跟關心那首先就是說有關於各主管機關是不是已經設立的這個諮詢委員會因為就是誠如委員講我們在法律上是得但是我們有通函是希望而且是強烈的建議各主管機關應該設我先問防護委員會這個是\n\n15\n00:05:44,681 --> 00:06:00,670\n防務委員會是應設立的嘛應設立的現在目前中央機關跟地方機關是不是全部都已經設立了跟委員報告目前大部分機關有設立然後我們在9月23號已經發了一個全國性的通函請各機關在這個月底\n\n16\n00:06:01,090 --> 00:06:09,521\n之前要把我們所列出來的數十項有關安慰對數十項數十項的這個checklist就是說該做的事項都要來告訴我們到底\n\n17\n00:06:16,970 --> 00:06:35,928\n已完成跟未完成那未完成的原因是什麼我現在只問設立你們有沒有去掌握追蹤中央跟地方機關現在是不是都已經依照安慰辦法第五條都已經設置了法務委員會我們有大部分都設立了但是更具體的有沒有沒有設立的\n\n18\n00:06:36,828 --> 00:06:56,753\n這個我們要在10月31號的時候可以把統計的數字具體的提供給委員已經發函去我是覺得你們積極一點了你們現在已經7月1號實施到現在10月了又不是說一個月的時間而已現在到底全國而且這個是依照你們安慰辦法修訂的他應該要設立安慰防護委員會\n\n19\n00:07:01,806 --> 00:07:26,967\n那到現在到底有哪一些機關還沒有設立這個你們應該掌握吧你們是主管機關呢是那謝謝委員提醒那我們今天會後呢會再發一次的通函希望他們能夠在更早就在10月31號前就把這個數字都通通回填給我們他到底是不是已經成立了有沒有開過會這個我們保健委員會都應該要掌握是有目前有在追蹤\n\n20\n00:07:29,164 --> 00:07:55,905\n這個你們這個要長期你不是說發函請他們回函你們應該要去了解這個不難嘛這不難這全國各機關你們就去了解他到底是不是已經依照第五條先了解他到底設置了沒有設立了沒有那你這個因設立的你都還沒有全部掌握那諮詢會你們可能這邊手上現在也沒有資料吧到底有哪些機關成立了這個安全\n\n21\n00:07:57,046 --> 00:08:14,011\n這個安全及衛生的諮詢會這個得策立的諮詢會你們到底有多少機關成立的這個我們因為他是得但是我們有強烈的建議應該要設那這個是不是請容我們會後呢跟提供這個具體的數字給委員\n\n22\n00:08:16,612 --> 00:08:27,282\n你們事實上現在連設立的還是沒有設立你們也不清楚所以他的這些委員到底是誰這些各個機關的委員是誰你們現在也應該手上也沒有資料是不是\n\n23\n00:08:29,996 --> 00:08:48,898\n各機關的這個防護委員會他設立的他組成的是哪些委員內部的我們可能可以掌握但是他外部的部分呢這是各機關他自己的決定權我知道是他們決定權我只是說你們到底知不知道誰是委員哪一個機關的委員會的委員你們手上有沒有名單\n\n24\n00:08:50,439 --> 00:09:11,762\n跟委員報告因為全國的機關數非常多這個目前我們手上沒有這個各機關的組成委員到底是哪些人我是認為你們應該要掌握包括每個機關他所成立的這個安全防護委員會的這些委員到底是誰他們到底聘請哪些人做委員不管是內部的外部的我覺得你們都應該至少要有一份名單\n\n25\n00:09:12,403 --> 00:09:31,795\n好謝謝委員提醒那我們在之後回去會在這個檢核表上面請各機關盡可能的提供給我們謝謝因為你們也提到你們這個因為這個新制安全及衛生防護的新制上路所以你們積極辦理宣導是你們說你們從六月跟七月之間在北中南地區總共辦了六場\n\n26\n00:09:32,896 --> 00:09:44,747\n六個場次的大型宣導是參加人數有1118人是所以我現在要問的問題你可能應該沒有辦法回答這1118個人裡面有多少人他實際上是各機關的安全防護委員\n\n27\n00:09:46,127 --> 00:10:07,282\n跟委員報告我們這1118人主要在這一波裡面呢都是屬於各機關呢他要承辦這個安全衛生跟職場霸凌的這個案件的主要承辦人但是對但是他們一定都是這個委員之一但是呢我們在\n\n28\n00:10:08,728 --> 00:10:30,576\n這個明年已經要啟動就是所有各機關的安全及衛生防護委員會的每一個委員都要來參訊而且必須要經過測試及格這樣子啦這個部分這樣問起來你們現在事實上都還沒有掌握啦還沒有全盤的掌握啦那畢竟是新法啦不過我希望你們在一個月內就全國各機關這個有關\n\n29\n00:10:33,558 --> 00:10:38,901\n這個安慰防護委員會他的成員跟他參加這個防護的這些職場霸凌防治訓練的狀況\n\n30\n00:10:40,799 --> 00:11:04,780\n提出一個書面報告可以嗎在一個月內說明他還有包括這些授訊包括他的授訊的比例他的期程他後續的這些追蹤機制我希望你們提出一個書面報告好謝謝委員再來你們也應該要這個書面報告裡面請你們掌握你們還沒有設置的機關有哪一些機關到現在10月了還沒有設置這個安慰防治\n\n31\n00:11:05,481 --> 00:11:28,182\n委員會還沒有成立的有哪一些機關還沒有完成設立那這個如果說到現在我假設啦從7月1號實施到現在這過程中因為這個機關沒有設立安全防護委員會所以如果發生職場霸凌在這段期間發生職場霸凌他必須要向哪一個單位負責有哪一個單位負責受理跟調查\n\n32\n00:11:28,923 --> 00:11:52,812\n跟我們報告這段時間呢過渡時期他因為7月1號以後呢其實已經沒有在所謂的他可以過渡的所以基本上只要他有發生這樣子的事件他一定就要設立了因為他要先設立才能夠決定受理我剛問你你也不知道哪些機關現在目前機關設立了沒有萬一我現在在我的職場就發生霸凌了結果我的機關還沒有成立這個防護委員會那我怎麼辦\n\n33\n00:11:57,329 --> 00:12:19,244\n當發生這樣子的案子的時候機關就一定要立即成立其實按照公務員保障法第19條之二的第三項跟第四項就是你們保訓會主管如果我現在這個機關還沒有成立這個防護委員會我就直接向你們保訓會來提出你們保訓會就必須要接受這個負責這個受理跟調查\n\n34\n00:12:23,193 --> 00:12:38,089\n所以你們如果沒有掌握各個機關到底現在多少機關已經設立安衛防護委員會的話你就會遇到這個狀況這部分請你們這個在一個月內提出面報告給我啦好不好好謝謝委員好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n12286\t17909\t主席我們先請秘書長那我是不是也請這個保訓會的蔡主委委員長秘書長早\n26844\t53193\t這個我等一下這個有關的相關問題一些原則性的部分請秘書長回答那一些細節執行的部分可能請保全會主委這邊來答覆這個關於我們今天業務報告在第二頁的時候提到我這邊所列出來了有關於這個因為我們今年在今年的這個6月24號本院通過這個公務人員保障法的這個修正\n54471\t77139\t那公布之後預計在明年的1月9號部分條文在明年1月9號開始實施了那也有半年的時間但是這個根據這個修法這個6月的修法這個裡面的第19條的第一項的授權我們有關這個\n79235\t104729\t這個公務人員的這個安全衛生防護辦法公會辦法我們事實上是在緊接著我們在6月今年的6月29號就已經做修正那7月1號就開始實施了對不對那這個我看了這個你們的這些書面報告那這個還有相關的這些新聞稿\n106332\t131002\t以及相關的這些修法說明這個部分我想這個公衛辦法確實是在公務人員反霸凌的部分霸凌的防治一個非常重要的法令也是重要的機制這個部分那時候我們在修法的時候本院也通過了許多決議跟附帶決議\n132282\t152908\t我就一一檢視看我們這個當時的這些附帶決議做的其實我們考試院這邊其實我看是基本上該做的是做的相當的完備完備但是因為畢竟新法上路這部分我有一些部分要來跟這個我們考試院來這邊來了解一下我們這次這個\n156892\t176455\t安慰辦法這個有關修法的部分說名稱也改了應該是按照依照19條的文字這公務人員保障法19條文字所以我們加上這個執行職務安全的部這幾個字這符合這個法令的授權大概有幾個比較重要的機制其中一個\n178291\t194805\t一個就是必須要召開這個安全衛生諮詢會這是一個另外一個這個有關申訴機制的建立最重要的一個新建的我一個有關落實足跡監督檢查跟通報制度這部分過去沒有\n195786\t224705\t也就是說有關於這些公務人員安全衛生防護的部分必須要足及定期專案安全抽檢對不對這部分是新的因為我們這個已經7月1號就已經開始實施我們這是公務人保障法上面授權的一個執法這個執法之下安危辦法本身它又必須要配合許多配套的這些法規必須要修改\n225866\t250807\t那我看你們這邊你們的這個保訓會的這些業務報告裡面也說明的蠻清楚一些相關的這些執法配套措施你們大概也都做了修正包括這個健康檢查實施要點這些這個職場霸凌的防治處理原則包括這個安全衛生設施管理要點包括這個安全衛生防護抽查作業實施要點等等這些相關執法你們都已經做修正\n252228\t264085\t我現在要了解的這個部分看市秘書長回答或是保訓會主委來回答因為我們按照這個我們現在所修訂的這個安慰辦法裡面的第四條\n265509\t288004\t有規定第四條規定的是有關於這個這個安全衛生諮詢會的設置你們用的這個這個文字是主管機關得聘請也就得設置諮詢會諮詢會是得設置啦要不要設置不曉得那第五條的部分是這個安全衛生防護委員會這個是應設立每個機關都應該設立\n291038\t320091\t那這個從7月1號到現在7月1號實施到現在已經10月今天已經10月9號了嘛今天10月9號了那實施到現在現行的這個中央部會跟地方政府機關是不是都已經按照這個規定成立了這個衛生防護委員會這部分能不能說明一下我們有沒有這個盤點我們有沒有去看目前所有的中央跟地方的這些相關機關是不是都已經設立了這個防護委員會\n323061\t343500\t跟委員報告謝謝委員的這個之前的支持跟關心那首先就是說有關於各主管機關是不是已經設立的這個諮詢委員會因為就是誠如委員講我們在法律上是得但是我們有通函是希望而且是強烈的建議各主管機關應該設我先問防護委員會這個是\n344681\t360670\t防務委員會是應設立的嘛應設立的現在目前中央機關跟地方機關是不是全部都已經設立了跟委員報告目前大部分機關有設立然後我們在9月23號已經發了一個全國性的通函請各機關在這個月底\n361090\t369521\t之前要把我們所列出來的數十項有關安慰對 數十項數十項的這個check list就是說該做的事項都要來告訴我們到底\n376970\t395928\t已完成跟未完成那未完成的原因是什麼我現在只問設立你們有沒有去掌握追蹤中央跟地方機關現在是不是都已經依照安慰辦法第五條都已經設置了法務委員會我們有大部分都設立了但是更具體的有沒有沒有設立的\n396828\t416753\t這個我們要在10月31號的時候可以把統計的數字具體的提供給委員已經發函去我是覺得你們積極一點了你們現在已經7月1號實施到現在10月了又不是說一個月的時間而已現在到底全國而且這個是依照你們安慰辦法修訂的他應該要設立安慰防護委員會\n421806\t446967\t那到現在到底有哪一些機關還沒有設立這個你們應該掌握吧你們是主管機關呢是那謝謝委員提醒那我們今天會後呢會再發一次的通函希望他們能夠在更早就在10月31號前就把這個數字都通通回填給我們他到底是不是已經成立了有沒有開過會這個我們保健委員會都應該要掌握是有目前有在追蹤\n449164\t475905\t這個你們這個要長期你不是說發函請他們回函你們應該要去了解這個不難嘛這不難 這全國各機關你們就去了解他到底是不是已經依照第五條先了解他到底設置了沒有 設立了沒有那你這個因設立的你都還沒有全部掌握那諮詢會你們可能這邊手上現在也沒有資料吧到底有哪些機關成立了這個安全\n477046\t494011\t這個安全及衛生的諮詢會這個得策立的諮詢會你們到底有多少機關成立的這個我們因為他是得但是我們有強烈的建議應該要設那這個是不是請容我們會後呢跟提供這個具體的數字給委員\n496612\t507282\t你們事實上現在連設立的還是沒有設立你們也不清楚所以他的這些委員到底是誰這些各個機關的委員是誰你們現在也應該手上也沒有資料是不是\n509996\t528898\t各機關的這個防護委員會他設立的他組成的是哪些委員內部的我們可能可以掌握但是他外部的部分呢這是各機關他自己的決定權我知道是他們決定權我只是說你們到底知不知道誰是委員哪一個機關的委員會的委員你們手上有沒有名單\n530439\t551762\t跟委員報告因為全國的機關數非常多這個目前我們手上沒有這個各機關的組成委員到底是哪些人我是認為你們應該要掌握包括每個機關他所成立的這個安全防護委員會的這些委員到底是誰他們到底聘請哪些人做委員不管是內部的外部的我覺得你們都應該至少要有一份名單\n552403\t571795\t好 謝謝委員提醒那我們在之後回去會在這個檢核表上面請各機關盡可能的提供給我們 謝謝因為你們也提到你們這個因為這個新制安全及衛生防護的新制上路所以你們積極辦理宣導是你們說你們從六月跟七月之間在北中南地區總共辦了六場\n572896\t584747\t六個場次的大型宣導是參加人數有1118人是所以我現在要問的問題你可能應該沒有辦法回答這1118個人裡面有多少人他實際上是各機關的安全防護委員\n586127\t607282\t跟委員報告我們這1118人主要在這一波裡面呢都是屬於各機關呢他要承辦這個安全衛生跟職場霸凌的這個案件的主要承辦人但是對但是他們一定都是這個委員之一但是呢我們在\n608728\t630576\t這個明年已經要啟動就是所有各機關的安全及衛生防護委員會的每一個委員都要來參訊而且必須要經過測試及格這樣子啦 這個部分這樣問起來你們現在事實上都還沒有掌握啦還沒有全盤的掌握啦那畢竟是新法啦不過我希望你們在一個月內就全國各機關這個有關\n633558\t638901\t這個安慰防護委員會他的成員跟他參加這個防護的這些職場霸凌防治訓練的狀況\n640799\t664780\t提出一個書面報告可以嗎在一個月內說明他還有包括這些授訊包括他的授訊的比例他的期程他後續的這些追蹤機制我希望你們提出一個書面報告好 謝謝委員再來你們也應該要這個書面報告裡面請你們掌握你們還沒有設置的機關有哪一些機關到現在10月了還沒有設置這個安慰防治\n665481\t688182\t委員會還沒有成立的有哪一些機關還沒有完成設立那這個如果說到現在我假設啦從7月1號實施到現在這過程中因為這個機關沒有設立安全防護委員會所以如果發生職場霸凌在這段期間發生職場霸凌他必須要向哪一個單位負責有哪一個單位負責受理跟調查\n688923\t712812\t跟我們報告這段時間呢過渡時期他因為7月1號以後呢其實已經沒有在所謂的他可以過渡的所以基本上只要他有發生這樣子的事件他一定就要設立了因為他要先設立才能夠決定受理我剛問你你也不知道哪些機關現在目前機關設立了沒有萬一我現在在我的職場就發生霸凌了結果我的機關還沒有成立這個防護委員會那我怎麼辦\n717329\t739244\t當發生這樣子的案子的時候機關就一定要立即成立其實按照公務員保障法第19條之二的第三項跟第四項就是你們保訓會主管如果我現在這個機關還沒有成立這個防護委員會我就直接向你們保訓會來提出你們保訓會就必須要接受這個負責這個受理跟調查\n743193\t758089\t所以你們如果沒有掌握各個機關到底現在多少機關已經設立安衛防護委員會的話你就會遇到這個狀況這部分請你們這個在一個月內提出面報告給我啦好不好好 謝謝委員好 謝謝\n","txt":"主席我們先請秘書長那我是不是也請這個保訓會的蔡主委委員長秘書長早\n這個我等一下這個有關的相關問題一些原則性的部分請秘書長回答那一些細節執行的部分可能請保全會主委這邊來答覆這個關於我們今天業務報告在第二頁的時候提到我這邊所列出來了有關於這個因為我們今年在今年的這個6月24號本院通過這個公務人員保障法的這個修正\n那公布之後預計在明年的1月9號部分條文在明年1月9號開始實施了那也有半年的時間但是這個根據這個修法這個6月的修法這個裡面的第19條的第一項的授權我們有關這個\n這個公務人員的這個安全衛生防護辦法公會辦法我們事實上是在緊接著我們在6月今年的6月29號就已經做修正那7月1號就開始實施了對不對那這個我看了這個你們的這些書面報告那這個還有相關的這些新聞稿\n以及相關的這些修法說明這個部分我想這個公衛辦法確實是在公務人員反霸凌的部分霸凌的防治一個非常重要的法令也是重要的機制這個部分那時候我們在修法的時候本院也通過了許多決議跟附帶決議\n我就一一檢視看我們這個當時的這些附帶決議做的其實我們考試院這邊其實我看是基本上該做的是做的相當的完備完備但是因為畢竟新法上路這部分我有一些部分要來跟這個我們考試院來這邊來了解一下我們這次這個\n安慰辦法這個有關修法的部分說名稱也改了應該是按照依照19條的文字這公務人員保障法19條文字所以我們加上這個執行職務安全的部這幾個字這符合這個法令的授權大概有幾個比較重要的機制其中一個\n一個就是必須要召開這個安全衛生諮詢會這是一個另外一個這個有關申訴機制的建立最重要的一個新建的我一個有關落實足跡監督檢查跟通報制度這部分過去沒有\n也就是說有關於這些公務人員安全衛生防護的部分必須要足及定期專案安全抽檢對不對這部分是新的因為我們這個已經7月1號就已經開始實施我們這是公務人保障法上面授權的一個執法這個執法之下安危辦法本身它又必須要配合許多配套的這些法規必須要修改\n那我看你們這邊你們的這個保訓會的這些業務報告裡面也說明的蠻清楚一些相關的這些執法配套措施你們大概也都做了修正包括這個健康檢查實施要點這些這個職場霸凌的防治處理原則包括這個安全衛生設施管理要點包括這個安全衛生防護抽查作業實施要點等等這些相關執法你們都已經做修正\n我現在要了解的這個部分看市秘書長回答或是保訓會主委來回答因為我們按照這個我們現在所修訂的這個安慰辦法裡面的第四條\n有規定第四條規定的是有關於這個這個安全衛生諮詢會的設置你們用的這個這個文字是主管機關得聘請也就得設置諮詢會諮詢會是得設置啦要不要設置不曉得那第五條的部分是這個安全衛生防護委員會這個是應設立每個機關都應該設立\n那這個從7月1號到現在7月1號實施到現在已經10月今天已經10月9號了嘛今天10月9號了那實施到現在現行的這個中央部會跟地方政府機關是不是都已經按照這個規定成立了這個衛生防護委員會這部分能不能說明一下我們有沒有這個盤點我們有沒有去看目前所有的中央跟地方的這些相關機關是不是都已經設立了這個防護委員會\n跟委員報告謝謝委員的這個之前的支持跟關心那首先就是說有關於各主管機關是不是已經設立的這個諮詢委員會因為就是誠如委員講我們在法律上是得但是我們有通函是希望而且是強烈的建議各主管機關應該設我先問防護委員會這個是\n防務委員會是應設立的嘛應設立的現在目前中央機關跟地方機關是不是全部都已經設立了跟委員報告目前大部分機關有設立然後我們在9月23號已經發了一個全國性的通函請各機關在這個月底\n之前要把我們所列出來的數十項有關安慰對 數十項數十項的這個check list就是說該做的事項都要來告訴我們到底\n已完成跟未完成那未完成的原因是什麼我現在只問設立你們有沒有去掌握追蹤中央跟地方機關現在是不是都已經依照安慰辦法第五條都已經設置了法務委員會我們有大部分都設立了但是更具體的有沒有沒有設立的\n這個我們要在10月31號的時候可以把統計的數字具體的提供給委員已經發函去我是覺得你們積極一點了你們現在已經7月1號實施到現在10月了又不是說一個月的時間而已現在到底全國而且這個是依照你們安慰辦法修訂的他應該要設立安慰防護委員會\n那到現在到底有哪一些機關還沒有設立這個你們應該掌握吧你們是主管機關呢是那謝謝委員提醒那我們今天會後呢會再發一次的通函希望他們能夠在更早就在10月31號前就把這個數字都通通回填給我們他到底是不是已經成立了有沒有開過會這個我們保健委員會都應該要掌握是有目前有在追蹤\n這個你們這個要長期你不是說發函請他們回函你們應該要去了解這個不難嘛這不難 這全國各機關你們就去了解他到底是不是已經依照第五條先了解他到底設置了沒有 設立了沒有那你這個因設立的你都還沒有全部掌握那諮詢會你們可能這邊手上現在也沒有資料吧到底有哪些機關成立了這個安全\n這個安全及衛生的諮詢會這個得策立的諮詢會你們到底有多少機關成立的這個我們因為他是得但是我們有強烈的建議應該要設那這個是不是請容我們會後呢跟提供這個具體的數字給委員\n你們事實上現在連設立的還是沒有設立你們也不清楚所以他的這些委員到底是誰這些各個機關的委員是誰你們現在也應該手上也沒有資料是不是\n各機關的這個防護委員會他設立的他組成的是哪些委員內部的我們可能可以掌握但是他外部的部分呢這是各機關他自己的決定權我知道是他們決定權我只是說你們到底知不知道誰是委員哪一個機關的委員會的委員你們手上有沒有名單\n跟委員報告因為全國的機關數非常多這個目前我們手上沒有這個各機關的組成委員到底是哪些人我是認為你們應該要掌握包括每個機關他所成立的這個安全防護委員會的這些委員到底是誰他們到底聘請哪些人做委員不管是內部的外部的我覺得你們都應該至少要有一份名單\n好 謝謝委員提醒那我們在之後回去會在這個檢核表上面請各機關盡可能的提供給我們 謝謝因為你們也提到你們這個因為這個新制安全及衛生防護的新制上路所以你們積極辦理宣導是你們說你們從六月跟七月之間在北中南地區總共辦了六場\n六個場次的大型宣導是參加人數有1118人是所以我現在要問的問題你可能應該沒有辦法回答這1118個人裡面有多少人他實際上是各機關的安全防護委員\n跟委員報告我們這1118人主要在這一波裡面呢都是屬於各機關呢他要承辦這個安全衛生跟職場霸凌的這個案件的主要承辦人但是對但是他們一定都是這個委員之一但是呢我們在\n這個明年已經要啟動就是所有各機關的安全及衛生防護委員會的每一個委員都要來參訊而且必須要經過測試及格這樣子啦 這個部分這樣問起來你們現在事實上都還沒有掌握啦還沒有全盤的掌握啦那畢竟是新法啦不過我希望你們在一個月內就全國各機關這個有關\n這個安慰防護委員會他的成員跟他參加這個防護的這些職場霸凌防治訓練的狀況\n提出一個書面報告可以嗎在一個月內說明他還有包括這些授訊包括他的授訊的比例他的期程他後續的這些追蹤機制我希望你們提出一個書面報告好 謝謝委員再來你們也應該要這個書面報告裡面請你們掌握你們還沒有設置的機關有哪一些機關到現在10月了還沒有設置這個安慰防治\n委員會還沒有成立的有哪一些機關還沒有完成設立那這個如果說到現在我假設啦從7月1號實施到現在這過程中因為這個機關沒有設立安全防護委員會所以如果發生職場霸凌在這段期間發生職場霸凌他必須要向哪一個單位負責有哪一個單位負責受理跟調查\n跟我們報告這段時間呢過渡時期他因為7月1號以後呢其實已經沒有在所謂的他可以過渡的所以基本上只要他有發生這樣子的事件他一定就要設立了因為他要先設立才能夠決定受理我剛問你你也不知道哪些機關現在目前機關設立了沒有萬一我現在在我的職場就發生霸凌了結果我的機關還沒有成立這個防護委員會那我怎麼辦\n當發生這樣子的案子的時候機關就一定要立即成立其實按照公務員保障法第19條之二的第三項跟第四項就是你們保訓會主管如果我現在這個機關還沒有成立這個防護委員會我就直接向你們保訓會來提出你們保訓會就必須要接受這個負責這個受理跟調查\n所以你們如果沒有掌握各個機關到底現在多少機關已經設立安衛防護委員會的話你就會遇到這個狀況這部分請你們這個在一個月內提出面報告給我啦好不好好 謝謝委員好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:12.286 --> 00:17.909\n主席我們先請秘書長那我是不是也請這個保訓會的蔡主委委員長秘書長早\n\n00:26.844 --> 00:53.193\n這個我等一下這個有關的相關問題一些原則性的部分請秘書長回答那一些細節執行的部分可能請保全會主委這邊來答覆這個關於我們今天業務報告在第二頁的時候提到我這邊所列出來了有關於這個因為我們今年在今年的這個6月24號本院通過這個公務人員保障法的這個修正\n\n00:54.471 --> 01:17.139\n那公布之後預計在明年的1月9號部分條文在明年1月9號開始實施了那也有半年的時間但是這個根據這個修法這個6月的修法這個裡面的第19條的第一項的授權我們有關這個\n\n01:19.235 --> 01:44.729\n這個公務人員的這個安全衛生防護辦法公會辦法我們事實上是在緊接著我們在6月今年的6月29號就已經做修正那7月1號就開始實施了對不對那這個我看了這個你們的這些書面報告那這個還有相關的這些新聞稿\n\n01:46.332 --> 02:11.002\n以及相關的這些修法說明這個部分我想這個公衛辦法確實是在公務人員反霸凌的部分霸凌的防治一個非常重要的法令也是重要的機制這個部分那時候我們在修法的時候本院也通過了許多決議跟附帶決議\n\n02:12.282 --> 02:32.908\n我就一一檢視看我們這個當時的這些附帶決議做的其實我們考試院這邊其實我看是基本上該做的是做的相當的完備完備但是因為畢竟新法上路這部分我有一些部分要來跟這個我們考試院來這邊來了解一下我們這次這個\n\n02:36.892 --> 02:56.455\n安慰辦法這個有關修法的部分說名稱也改了應該是按照依照19條的文字這公務人員保障法19條文字所以我們加上這個執行職務安全的部這幾個字這符合這個法令的授權大概有幾個比較重要的機制其中一個\n\n02:58.291 --> 03:14.805\n一個就是必須要召開這個安全衛生諮詢會這是一個另外一個這個有關申訴機制的建立最重要的一個新建的我一個有關落實足跡監督檢查跟通報制度這部分過去沒有\n\n03:15.786 --> 03:44.705\n也就是說有關於這些公務人員安全衛生防護的部分必須要足及定期專案安全抽檢對不對這部分是新的因為我們這個已經7月1號就已經開始實施我們這是公務人保障法上面授權的一個執法這個執法之下安危辦法本身它又必須要配合許多配套的這些法規必須要修改\n\n03:45.866 --> 04:10.807\n那我看你們這邊你們的這個保訓會的這些業務報告裡面也說明的蠻清楚一些相關的這些執法配套措施你們大概也都做了修正包括這個健康檢查實施要點這些這個職場霸凌的防治處理原則包括這個安全衛生設施管理要點包括這個安全衛生防護抽查作業實施要點等等這些相關執法你們都已經做修正\n\n04:12.228 --> 04:24.085\n我現在要了解的這個部分看市秘書長回答或是保訓會主委來回答因為我們按照這個我們現在所修訂的這個安慰辦法裡面的第四條\n\n04:25.509 --> 04:48.004\n有規定第四條規定的是有關於這個這個安全衛生諮詢會的設置你們用的這個這個文字是主管機關得聘請也就得設置諮詢會諮詢會是得設置啦要不要設置不曉得那第五條的部分是這個安全衛生防護委員會這個是應設立每個機關都應該設立\n\n04:51.038 --> 05:20.091\n那這個從7月1號到現在7月1號實施到現在已經10月今天已經10月9號了嘛今天10月9號了那實施到現在現行的這個中央部會跟地方政府機關是不是都已經按照這個規定成立了這個衛生防護委員會這部分能不能說明一下我們有沒有這個盤點我們有沒有去看目前所有的中央跟地方的這些相關機關是不是都已經設立了這個防護委員會\n\n05:23.061 --> 05:43.500\n跟委員報告謝謝委員的這個之前的支持跟關心那首先就是說有關於各主管機關是不是已經設立的這個諮詢委員會因為就是誠如委員講我們在法律上是得但是我們有通函是希望而且是強烈的建議各主管機關應該設我先問防護委員會這個是\n\n05:44.681 --> 06:00.670\n防務委員會是應設立的嘛應設立的現在目前中央機關跟地方機關是不是全部都已經設立了跟委員報告目前大部分機關有設立然後我們在9月23號已經發了一個全國性的通函請各機關在這個月底\n\n06:01.090 --> 06:09.521\n之前要把我們所列出來的數十項有關安慰對數十項數十項的這個checklist就是說該做的事項都要來告訴我們到底\n\n06:16.970 --> 06:35.928\n已完成跟未完成那未完成的原因是什麼我現在只問設立你們有沒有去掌握追蹤中央跟地方機關現在是不是都已經依照安慰辦法第五條都已經設置了法務委員會我們有大部分都設立了但是更具體的有沒有沒有設立的\n\n06:36.828 --> 06:56.753\n這個我們要在10月31號的時候可以把統計的數字具體的提供給委員已經發函去我是覺得你們積極一點了你們現在已經7月1號實施到現在10月了又不是說一個月的時間而已現在到底全國而且這個是依照你們安慰辦法修訂的他應該要設立安慰防護委員會\n\n07:01.806 --> 07:26.967\n那到現在到底有哪一些機關還沒有設立這個你們應該掌握吧你們是主管機關呢是那謝謝委員提醒那我們今天會後呢會再發一次的通函希望他們能夠在更早就在10月31號前就把這個數字都通通回填給我們他到底是不是已經成立了有沒有開過會這個我們保健委員會都應該要掌握是有目前有在追蹤\n\n07:29.164 --> 07:55.905\n這個你們這個要長期你不是說發函請他們回函你們應該要去了解這個不難嘛這不難這全國各機關你們就去了解他到底是不是已經依照第五條先了解他到底設置了沒有設立了沒有那你這個因設立的你都還沒有全部掌握那諮詢會你們可能這邊手上現在也沒有資料吧到底有哪些機關成立了這個安全\n\n07:57.046 --> 08:14.011\n這個安全及衛生的諮詢會這個得策立的諮詢會你們到底有多少機關成立的這個我們因為他是得但是我們有強烈的建議應該要設那這個是不是請容我們會後呢跟提供這個具體的數字給委員\n\n08:16.612 --> 08:27.282\n你們事實上現在連設立的還是沒有設立你們也不清楚所以他的這些委員到底是誰這些各個機關的委員是誰你們現在也應該手上也沒有資料是不是\n\n08:29.996 --> 08:48.898\n各機關的這個防護委員會他設立的他組成的是哪些委員內部的我們可能可以掌握但是他外部的部分呢這是各機關他自己的決定權我知道是他們決定權我只是說你們到底知不知道誰是委員哪一個機關的委員會的委員你們手上有沒有名單\n\n08:50.439 --> 09:11.762\n跟委員報告因為全國的機關數非常多這個目前我們手上沒有這個各機關的組成委員到底是哪些人我是認為你們應該要掌握包括每個機關他所成立的這個安全防護委員會的這些委員到底是誰他們到底聘請哪些人做委員不管是內部的外部的我覺得你們都應該至少要有一份名單\n\n09:12.403 --> 09:31.795\n好謝謝委員提醒那我們在之後回去會在這個檢核表上面請各機關盡可能的提供給我們謝謝因為你們也提到你們這個因為這個新制安全及衛生防護的新制上路所以你們積極辦理宣導是你們說你們從六月跟七月之間在北中南地區總共辦了六場\n\n09:32.896 --> 09:44.747\n六個場次的大型宣導是參加人數有1118人是所以我現在要問的問題你可能應該沒有辦法回答這1118個人裡面有多少人他實際上是各機關的安全防護委員\n\n09:46.127 --> 10:07.282\n跟委員報告我們這1118人主要在這一波裡面呢都是屬於各機關呢他要承辦這個安全衛生跟職場霸凌的這個案件的主要承辦人但是對但是他們一定都是這個委員之一但是呢我們在\n\n10:08.728 --> 10:30.576\n這個明年已經要啟動就是所有各機關的安全及衛生防護委員會的每一個委員都要來參訊而且必須要經過測試及格這樣子啦這個部分這樣問起來你們現在事實上都還沒有掌握啦還沒有全盤的掌握啦那畢竟是新法啦不過我希望你們在一個月內就全國各機關這個有關\n\n10:33.558 --> 10:38.901\n這個安慰防護委員會他的成員跟他參加這個防護的這些職場霸凌防治訓練的狀況\n\n10:40.799 --> 11:04.780\n提出一個書面報告可以嗎在一個月內說明他還有包括這些授訊包括他的授訊的比例他的期程他後續的這些追蹤機制我希望你們提出一個書面報告好謝謝委員再來你們也應該要這個書面報告裡面請你們掌握你們還沒有設置的機關有哪一些機關到現在10月了還沒有設置這個安慰防治\n\n11:05.481 --> 11:28.182\n委員會還沒有成立的有哪一些機關還沒有完成設立那這個如果說到現在我假設啦從7月1號實施到現在這過程中因為這個機關沒有設立安全防護委員會所以如果發生職場霸凌在這段期間發生職場霸凌他必須要向哪一個單位負責有哪一個單位負責受理跟調查\n\n11:28.923 --> 11:52.812\n跟我們報告這段時間呢過渡時期他因為7月1號以後呢其實已經沒有在所謂的他可以過渡的所以基本上只要他有發生這樣子的事件他一定就要設立了因為他要先設立才能夠決定受理我剛問你你也不知道哪些機關現在目前機關設立了沒有萬一我現在在我的職場就發生霸凌了結果我的機關還沒有成立這個防護委員會那我怎麼辦\n\n11:57.329 --> 12:19.244\n當發生這樣子的案子的時候機關就一定要立即成立其實按照公務員保障法第19條之二的第三項跟第四項就是你們保訓會主管如果我現在這個機關還沒有成立這個防護委員會我就直接向你們保訓會來提出你們保訓會就必須要接受這個負責這個受理跟調查\n\n12:23.193 --> 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