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00:01:12,519\n在9月份的時候這是看一個統計就是說在9月份台中彰化南投超過4000名的勞工被迫放無薪假我們也看到就是說你們在勞動部的統計就是9月份減班休息的人數從原本的7300多一直到10月份是已經突破到8500\n\n4\n00:01:14,159 --> 00:01:35,117\n那中張頭的這個部分就已經超過4000人那因為中張頭這個產業會比較特殊有的是工具機有的是金屬製造業腳踏車零件或水五金這個真的算是傳產非常多的一個地方那確實有碰到這樣的一個特殊的地區\n\n5\n00:01:37,618 --> 00:01:51,526\n這個特定的地區然後有這樣子特別嚴重的一個狀況那我不知道說勞動部針對這個特定的地區有比較嚴重的這個狀況是不是有不一樣的一個做法或者是全國是一致的\n\n6\n00:01:54,057 --> 00:02:22,387\n確實現在因為中央這邊我們是訂定一個全國性的政策但是我們的確有看到的確中部目前假班休息的數字是比較多的所以這也是為什麼其實上週那我自己也親自到中部那來跟我們很多的傳產的業者那包括這些工協會那一起來座談我們也是希望對於尤其是中部的這些業者\n\n7\n00:02:23,107 --> 00:02:51,236\n他們遇到的問題那在我們所能夠職長的跟勞工相關的部分來多給一些協助好那我們希望就是說針對中部地區比較嚴重的這個狀況我覺得也許你們的這個力道應該可以再加強一點因為就是一個變成一個聚落的特殊的這樣一個狀況因為我在這幾天也碰到就是因為減班休息那這個中高齡的\n\n8\n00:02:52,236 --> 00:03:10,768\n女性这个是我碰到连续碰到两位就刚好那一天早上连续碰到两位都差不多60出差不多60几岁的妈妈那他会说他们公司就因为这个关税的问题所以他们目前是在放无薪假\n\n9\n00:03:11,428 --> 00:03:37,988\n那像這樣子的話當然就是說勞動部針對這個減班休息的這些勞工有一些因應的措施或者是這個訓練或是參加訓練可能有一些這個補助那針對這個中高齡的部分其實他們覺得說勞動部這樣的一個政策對他們來講沒有很大的幫助因為他們急需要的可能就是需要\n\n10\n00:03:38,809 --> 00:03:55,869\n这个收入所以他们从原本的这个工厂那因为减班休息那后来他们又去找了可能就是这个临时工可能就找了临时的这样的一个工作所以我也希望就是说针对\n\n11\n00:03:56,931 --> 00:04:13,753\n不一定就是說你們現在提出來的這政策當然是很好就是說薪資差額的補貼或者是再充電的這個計畫我覺得這個是很好可是可能針對中高齡的這個部分也許他覺得說這個對他來講沒有多大的一個幫助\n\n12\n00:04:14,173 --> 00:04:29,333\n所以針對中高齡的這樣的一個這個失業的勞工因為減班休息失業的勞工後面他可能還需要再找一些比較臨時的一個工作那針對這部分有沒有比較及時的一個協助\n\n13\n00:04:29,830 --> 00:04:57,210\n跟荒原說明第一個如果是老公他如果其實在減班休息時間他其實假設他是出現薪資上的落差因為減班嘛薪資落差的話那這部分其實他不一定要參加訓練那他是可以直接用強化版的安定措施那我們來補他這個差額的七成那這個是誰要申請是企業要幫他申請或他自己他自己也可以申請他自己申請就可以對好\n\n14\n00:04:58,339 --> 00:05:14,170\n他自己又可以申請企業幫他申請也很好也可以那勞工也可以自己申請好那我覺得像這個的話你們可能他如果今天是可能找了一個是一個臨時的一個工作找一個是臨時的工作那這個他也可以自己申請嗎\n\n15\n00:05:16,291 --> 00:05:30,398\n我們其實是針對他原本的工業原本比方說他如果薪水4萬2現在因為減班假設是3萬假設3萬但是因為減班休息還是要有最基本的最低工資所以比方說4萬2到\n\n16\n00:05:31,579 --> 00:05:48,894\n三萬那這一萬二的差額我們會補貼七成一萬二的七成所以他只要來申請我們就會和給他我們就會他自己他自己只要上網申請或者是直接到你們的這個分數就業中心或分數來申請我們就會都可以對我們\n\n17\n00:05:49,835 --> 00:06:10,620\n到分署去申請也都可以對沒錯那我希望就是說把這個訊息應該也要把它讓更多的勞工知道因為他們有的人會覺得說那我是不是要透過企業幫他申請那有的企業他不一定要聘這樣的一個勞工是所以現在我們是直接是勞工可以申請所以這也是為什麼我們確實在幾個工會的方式\n\n18\n00:06:12,420 --> 00:06:38,555\n都跟我們強調希望我們擴大宣傳因為像剛剛講我們其實已經把申請的程序弄到最簡便那可是的確還是有一些勞工朋友不一定都知道那這個在宣傳上面我們會再更努力是好那其實我剛剛講的這個中部地區可能算是一個重災區那另外除了就是說因為關稅的問題其實國際的情勢也會影響到這些這個傳產\n\n19\n00:06:41,437 --> 00:06:59,066\n这些公司因为我就碰到一位这个企业他们原本是做工具机的那因为整个关税的议题他原本可能就卖到香港卖到这个新加坡那这个工具机又被转卖到伊朗\n\n20\n00:07:00,126 --> 00:07:13,310\n那就被美國這邊制裁因為列入黑名單那整個公司所有的帳戶全部被凍結那造成說他的勞工也因為這樣子因為公司被凍結所有的帳戶被凍結之後也沒辦法接單\n\n21\n00:07:18,092 --> 00:07:40,118\n那造成說這些勞工就因為這樣子也失業所以類似這樣的一個狀況不論是因為關稅的問題或者是因為國際情勢造成的勞工的失業我覺得說這個可能也是我們勞動部需要去關心的部分因為不只是因為關稅的問題國際情勢也會影響到我們這些企業\n\n22\n00:07:45,799 --> 00:08:02,965\n所以我在這邊也要再提醒就是說勞動部針對這部分一方面我們要去做宣傳讓更多的勞工知道要不然他會覺得這個公司因為這個接不到單尤其是原本他們4月份因為關稅的問題\n\n23\n00:08:04,386 --> 00:08:29,162\n那可能在期待可能第三季或第四季是不是可以接單可不可以接到這個國外的訂單可是我們第三季現在第三季整個財報出來之後發現可能訂單也沒有想像中的多或者是也沒有訂單的這樣的一個狀況那就像剛剛部長講的也許在你們在下個月又在統計的時候\n\n24\n00:08:30,863 --> 00:08:51,959\n減班休息的這個受到影響這些勞工的數字也許會比現在8500名還要再多人所以我希望就是說勞動部針對這一部分不論是因為關稅的議題或者是因為受到國際情勢的這個影響我覺得應該也要還要再有一個比較更積極的一個方式\n\n25\n00:08:52,779 --> 00:09:12,007\n跟委員說明其實我們現在比方說剛剛想的薪資差補貼我們並沒有限制他只受到關稅影響其實我們把範圍甚至拉到現在有很多廠商遇到匯率的問題或者是所以我們整體是把它包在一個因應國際情勢的不確定性所造成的影響我們都會把它放到現在在我們那個\n\n26\n00:09:13,588 --> 00:09:30,528\n這個薪資差額補貼的部分所以並不是只去只鎖定或者是只限只有因為關稅的影響所以你原本說擴大到九大製造業那現在譬如說九大製造業以外的這些勞工如果受到影響的話也是可以嗎還是可以\n\n27\n00:09:31,309 --> 00:09:48,752\n目前我們其實薪資差的補貼是目前公告是九大行業那現在都是製造業那但是行業別要不要更多的放寬我們其實也可以滾動的來檢討可是的確現在因為這個裡面我們會因為是用特別預算那也是\n\n28\n00:09:50,514 --> 00:10:06,536\n這個強化版的部分我們是特別針對這個國際的情勢所以如果有一些比方說有些行業他其實跟關稅的影響沒有那麼沒有大的相關他可能他只是自己內部經營的問題那這就不在我們薪資差補貼的範圍裡面\n\n29\n00:10:08,015 --> 00:10:26,873\n好那我希望就是說因為確實現在第三劑第四劑也許會更嚴重就是說減半休息的這部分也許會更嚴重那仲裁區的話就是中部地區傳產傳產的這些區域可能會比較嚴重那我也希望就是說部長既然你都有下鄉區\n\n30\n00:10:28,034 --> 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企業幫他申請也很好也可以那勞工也可以自己申請好 那我覺得像這個的話你們可能他如果今天是可能找了一個是一個臨時的一個工作找一個是臨時的工作那這個他也可以自己申請嗎\n我們其實是針對他原本的工業原本比方說他如果薪水4萬2現在因為減班假設是3萬 假設3萬但是因為減班休息還是要有最基本的最低工資所以比方說4萬2到\n三萬那這一萬二的差額我們會補貼七成一萬二的七成所以他只要來申請我們就會和給他我們就會他自己他自己只要上網申請或者是直接到你們的這個分數就業中心或分數來申請我們就會都可以對我們\n到分署去申請也都可以對沒錯那我希望就是說把這個訊息應該也要把它讓更多的勞工知道因為他們有的人會覺得說那我是不是要透過企業幫他申請那有的企業他不一定要聘這樣的一個勞工是所以現在我們是直接是勞工可以申請所以這也是為什麼我們確實在幾個工會的方式\n都跟我們強調希望我們擴大宣傳因為像剛剛講我們其實已經把申請的程序弄到最簡便那可是的確還是有一些勞工朋友不一定都知道那這個在宣傳上面我們會再更努力是好那其實我剛剛講的這個中部地區可能算是一個重災區那另外除了就是說因為關稅的問題其實國際的情勢也會影響到這些這個傳產\n这些公司因为我就碰到一位这个企业他们原本是做工具机的那因为整个关税的议题他原本可能就卖到香港卖到这个新加坡那这个工具机又被转卖到伊朗\n那就被美國這邊制裁因為列入黑名單那整個公司所有的帳戶全部被凍結那造成說他的勞工也因為這樣子因為公司被凍結所有的帳戶被凍結之後也沒辦法接單\n那造成說這些勞工就因為這樣子也失業所以類似這樣的一個狀況不論是因為關稅的問題或者是因為國際情勢造成的勞工的失業我覺得說這個可能也是我們勞動部需要去關心的部分因為不只是因為關稅的問題國際情勢也會影響到我們這些企業\n所以我在這邊也要再提醒就是說勞動部針對這部分一方面我們要去做宣傳讓更多的勞工知道要不然他會覺得這個公司因為這個接不到單尤其是原本他們4月份因為關稅的問題\n那可能在期待可能第三季或第四季是不是可以接單可不可以接到這個國外的訂單可是我們第三季現在第三季整個財報出來之後發現可能訂單也沒有想像中的多或者是也沒有訂單的這樣的一個狀況那就像剛剛部長講的也許在你們在下個月又在統計的時候\n減班休息的這個受到影響這些勞工的數字也許會比現在8500名還要再多人所以我希望就是說勞動部針對這一部分不論是因為關稅的議題或者是因為受到國際情勢的這個影響我覺得應該也要還要再有一個比較更積極的一個方式\n跟委員說明其實我們現在比方說剛剛想的薪資差補貼我們並沒有限制他只受到關稅影響其實我們把範圍甚至拉到現在有很多廠商遇到匯率的問題或者是所以我們整體是把它包在一個因應國際情勢的不確定性所造成的影響我們都會把它放到現在在我們那個\n這個薪資差額補貼的部分所以並不是只去只鎖定或者是只限只有因為關稅的影響所以你原本說擴大到九大製造業那現在譬如說九大製造業以外的這些勞工如果受到影響的話也是可以嗎還是可以\n目前我們其實薪資差的補貼是目前公告是九大行業那現在都是製造業那但是行業別要不要更多的放寬我們其實也可以滾動的來檢討可是的確現在因為這個裡面我們會因為是用特別預算那也是\n這個強化版的部分我們是特別針對這個國際的情勢所以如果有一些比方說有些行業他其實跟關稅的影響沒有那麼沒有大的相關他可能他只是自己內部經營的問題那這就不在我們薪資差補貼的範圍裡面\n好那我希望就是說因為確實現在第三劑第四劑也許會更嚴重就是說減半休息的這部分也許會更嚴重那仲裁區的話就是中部地區傳產傳產的這些區域可能會比較嚴重那我也希望就是說部長既然你都有下鄉區\n去了解的話也許就是說滾動式的檢討可以讓更多的勞工能夠受益這個應該也是我們勞動部最原本的一個美意\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.914 --> 00:09.136\n謝謝主席我們請部長有請洪森漢部長\n\n00:17.462 --> 00:43.732\n今天大家關心就是因應關稅的這個議題那造成這個這幾個月減班休息的人數一直在增加那我想請教就是說部長你應該也有到地方去訪視啦或者是去參訪那也看到現在很多傳產業者確實在這幾個月遇到了一些困難那尤其是台中彰化南投這部分\n\n00:44.472 --> 01:12.519\n在9月份的時候這是看一個統計就是說在9月份台中彰化南投超過4000名的勞工被迫放無薪假我們也看到就是說你們在勞動部的統計就是9月份減班休息的人數從原本的7300多一直到10月份是已經突破到8500\n\n01:14.159 --> 01:35.117\n那中張頭的這個部分就已經超過4000人那因為中張頭這個產業會比較特殊有的是工具機有的是金屬製造業腳踏車零件或水五金這個真的算是傳產非常多的一個地方那確實有碰到這樣的一個特殊的地區\n\n01:37.618 --> 01:51.526\n這個特定的地區然後有這樣子特別嚴重的一個狀況那我不知道說勞動部針對這個特定的地區有比較嚴重的這個狀況是不是有不一樣的一個做法或者是全國是一致的\n\n01:54.057 --> 02:22.387\n確實現在因為中央這邊我們是訂定一個全國性的政策但是我們的確有看到的確中部目前假班休息的數字是比較多的所以這也是為什麼其實上週那我自己也親自到中部那來跟我們很多的傳產的業者那包括這些工協會那一起來座談我們也是希望對於尤其是中部的這些業者\n\n02:23.107 --> 02:51.236\n他們遇到的問題那在我們所能夠職長的跟勞工相關的部分來多給一些協助好那我們希望就是說針對中部地區比較嚴重的這個狀況我覺得也許你們的這個力道應該可以再加強一點因為就是一個變成一個聚落的特殊的這樣一個狀況因為我在這幾天也碰到就是因為減班休息那這個中高齡的\n\n02:52.236 --> 03:10.768\n女性这个是我碰到连续碰到两位就刚好那一天早上连续碰到两位都差不多60出差不多60几岁的妈妈那他会说他们公司就因为这个关税的问题所以他们目前是在放无薪假\n\n03:11.428 --> 03:37.988\n那像這樣子的話當然就是說勞動部針對這個減班休息的這些勞工有一些因應的措施或者是這個訓練或是參加訓練可能有一些這個補助那針對這個中高齡的部分其實他們覺得說勞動部這樣的一個政策對他們來講沒有很大的幫助因為他們急需要的可能就是需要\n\n03:38.809 --> 03:55.869\n这个收入所以他们从原本的这个工厂那因为减班休息那后来他们又去找了可能就是这个临时工可能就找了临时的这样的一个工作所以我也希望就是说针对\n\n03:56.931 --> 04:13.753\n不一定就是說你們現在提出來的這政策當然是很好就是說薪資差額的補貼或者是再充電的這個計畫我覺得這個是很好可是可能針對中高齡的這個部分也許他覺得說這個對他來講沒有多大的一個幫助\n\n04:14.173 --> 04:29.333\n所以針對中高齡的這樣的一個這個失業的勞工因為減班休息失業的勞工後面他可能還需要再找一些比較臨時的一個工作那針對這部分有沒有比較及時的一個協助\n\n04:29.830 --> 04:57.210\n跟荒原說明第一個如果是老公他如果其實在減班休息時間他其實假設他是出現薪資上的落差因為減班嘛薪資落差的話那這部分其實他不一定要參加訓練那他是可以直接用強化版的安定措施那我們來補他這個差額的七成那這個是誰要申請是企業要幫他申請或他自己他自己也可以申請他自己申請就可以對好\n\n04:58.339 --> 05:14.170\n他自己又可以申請企業幫他申請也很好也可以那勞工也可以自己申請好那我覺得像這個的話你們可能他如果今天是可能找了一個是一個臨時的一個工作找一個是臨時的工作那這個他也可以自己申請嗎\n\n05:16.291 --> 05:30.398\n我們其實是針對他原本的工業原本比方說他如果薪水4萬2現在因為減班假設是3萬假設3萬但是因為減班休息還是要有最基本的最低工資所以比方說4萬2到\n\n05:31.579 --> 05:48.894\n三萬那這一萬二的差額我們會補貼七成一萬二的七成所以他只要來申請我們就會和給他我們就會他自己他自己只要上網申請或者是直接到你們的這個分數就業中心或分數來申請我們就會都可以對我們\n\n05:49.835 --> 06:10.620\n到分署去申請也都可以對沒錯那我希望就是說把這個訊息應該也要把它讓更多的勞工知道因為他們有的人會覺得說那我是不是要透過企業幫他申請那有的企業他不一定要聘這樣的一個勞工是所以現在我們是直接是勞工可以申請所以這也是為什麼我們確實在幾個工會的方式\n\n06:12.420 --> 06:38.555\n都跟我們強調希望我們擴大宣傳因為像剛剛講我們其實已經把申請的程序弄到最簡便那可是的確還是有一些勞工朋友不一定都知道那這個在宣傳上面我們會再更努力是好那其實我剛剛講的這個中部地區可能算是一個重災區那另外除了就是說因為關稅的問題其實國際的情勢也會影響到這些這個傳產\n\n06:41.437 --> 06:59.066\n这些公司因为我就碰到一位这个企业他们原本是做工具机的那因为整个关税的议题他原本可能就卖到香港卖到这个新加坡那这个工具机又被转卖到伊朗\n\n07:00.126 --> 07:13.310\n那就被美國這邊制裁因為列入黑名單那整個公司所有的帳戶全部被凍結那造成說他的勞工也因為這樣子因為公司被凍結所有的帳戶被凍結之後也沒辦法接單\n\n07:18.092 --> 07:40.118\n那造成說這些勞工就因為這樣子也失業所以類似這樣的一個狀況不論是因為關稅的問題或者是因為國際情勢造成的勞工的失業我覺得說這個可能也是我們勞動部需要去關心的部分因為不只是因為關稅的問題國際情勢也會影響到我們這些企業\n\n07:45.799 --> 08:02.965\n所以我在這邊也要再提醒就是說勞動部針對這部分一方面我們要去做宣傳讓更多的勞工知道要不然他會覺得這個公司因為這個接不到單尤其是原本他們4月份因為關稅的問題\n\n08:04.386 --> 08:29.162\n那可能在期待可能第三季或第四季是不是可以接單可不可以接到這個國外的訂單可是我們第三季現在第三季整個財報出來之後發現可能訂單也沒有想像中的多或者是也沒有訂單的這樣的一個狀況那就像剛剛部長講的也許在你們在下個月又在統計的時候\n\n08:30.863 --> 08:51.959\n減班休息的這個受到影響這些勞工的數字也許會比現在8500名還要再多人所以我希望就是說勞動部針對這一部分不論是因為關稅的議題或者是因為受到國際情勢的這個影響我覺得應該也要還要再有一個比較更積極的一個方式\n\n08:52.779 --> 09:12.007\n跟委員說明其實我們現在比方說剛剛想的薪資差補貼我們並沒有限制他只受到關稅影響其實我們把範圍甚至拉到現在有很多廠商遇到匯率的問題或者是所以我們整體是把它包在一個因應國際情勢的不確定性所造成的影響我們都會把它放到現在在我們那個\n\n09:13.588 --> 09:30.528\n這個薪資差額補貼的部分所以並不是只去只鎖定或者是只限只有因為關稅的影響所以你原本說擴大到九大製造業那現在譬如說九大製造業以外的這些勞工如果受到影響的話也是可以嗎還是可以\n\n09:31.309 --> 09:48.752\n目前我們其實薪資差的補貼是目前公告是九大行業那現在都是製造業那但是行業別要不要更多的放寬我們其實也可以滾動的來檢討可是的確現在因為這個裡面我們會因為是用特別預算那也是\n\n09:50.514 --> 10:06.536\n這個強化版的部分我們是特別針對這個國際的情勢所以如果有一些比方說有些行業他其實跟關稅的影響沒有那麼沒有大的相關他可能他只是自己內部經營的問題那這就不在我們薪資差補貼的範圍裡面\n\n10:08.015 --> 10:26.873\n好那我希望就是說因為確實現在第三劑第四劑也許會更嚴重就是說減半休息的這部分也許會更嚴重那仲裁區的話就是中部地區傳產傳產的這些區域可能會比較嚴重那我也希望就是說部長既然你都有下鄉區\n\n10:28.034 --> 10:38.745\n去了解的話也許就是說滾動式的檢討可以讓更多的勞工能夠受益這個應該也是我們勞動部最原本的一個美意\n\n","segments":[{"start":6.914,"end":9.136,"text":"謝謝主席我們請部長有請洪森漢部長"},{"start":17.462,"end":43.732,"text":"今天大家關心就是因應關稅的這個議題那造成這個這幾個月減班休息的人數一直在增加那我想請教就是說部長你應該也有到地方去訪視啦或者是去參訪那也看到現在很多傳產業者確實在這幾個月遇到了一些困難那尤其是台中彰化南投這部分"},{"start":44.472,"end":72.519,"text":"在9月份的時候這是看一個統計就是說在9月份台中彰化南投超過4000名的勞工被迫放無薪假我們也看到就是說你們在勞動部的統計就是9月份減班休息的人數從原本的7300多一直到10月份是已經突破到8500"},{"start":74.159,"end":95.117,"text":"那中張頭的這個部分就已經超過4000人那因為中張頭這個產業會比較特殊有的是工具機有的是金屬製造業腳踏車零件或水五金這個真的算是傳產非常多的一個地方那確實有碰到這樣的一個特殊的地區"},{"start":97.618,"end":111.526,"text":"這個特定的地區然後有這樣子特別嚴重的一個狀況那我不知道說勞動部針對這個特定的地區有比較嚴重的這個狀況是不是有不一樣的一個做法或者是全國是一致的"},{"start":114.057,"end":142.387,"text":"確實現在因為中央這邊我們是訂定一個全國性的政策但是我們的確有看到的確中部目前假班休息的數字是比較多的所以這也是為什麼其實上週那我自己也親自到中部那來跟我們很多的傳產的業者那包括這些工協會那一起來座談我們也是希望對於尤其是中部的這些業者"},{"start":143.107,"end":171.236,"text":"他們遇到的問題那在我們所能夠職長的跟勞工相關的部分來多給一些協助好那我們希望就是說針對中部地區比較嚴重的這個狀況我覺得也許你們的這個力道應該可以再加強一點因為就是一個變成一個聚落的特殊的這樣一個狀況因為我在這幾天也碰到就是因為減班休息那這個中高齡的"},{"start":172.236,"end":190.768,"text":"女性这个是我碰到连续碰到两位就刚好那一天早上连续碰到两位都差不多60出差不多60几岁的妈妈那他会说他们公司就因为这个关税的问题所以他们目前是在放无薪假"},{"start":191.428,"end":217.988,"text":"那像這樣子的話當然就是說勞動部針對這個減班休息的這些勞工有一些因應的措施或者是這個訓練或是參加訓練可能有一些這個補助那針對這個中高齡的部分其實他們覺得說勞動部這樣的一個政策對他們來講沒有很大的幫助因為他們急需要的可能就是需要"},{"start":218.809,"end":235.869,"text":"这个收入所以他们从原本的这个工厂那因为减班休息那后来他们又去找了可能就是这个临时工可能就找了临时的这样的一个工作所以我也希望就是说针对"},{"start":236.931,"end":253.753,"text":"不一定就是說你們現在提出來的這政策當然是很好就是說薪資差額的補貼或者是再充電的這個計畫我覺得這個是很好可是可能針對中高齡的這個部分也許他覺得說這個對他來講沒有多大的一個幫助"},{"start":254.173,"end":269.333,"text":"所以針對中高齡的這樣的一個這個失業的勞工因為減班休息失業的勞工後面他可能還需要再找一些比較臨時的一個工作那針對這部分有沒有比較及時的一個協助"},{"start":269.83,"end":297.21,"text":"跟荒原說明第一個如果是老公他如果其實在減班休息時間他其實假設他是出現薪資上的落差因為減班嘛薪資落差的話那這部分其實他不一定要參加訓練那他是可以直接用強化版的安定措施那我們來補他這個差額的七成那這個是誰要申請是企業要幫他申請或他自己他自己也可以申請他自己申請就可以對好"},{"start":298.339,"end":314.17,"text":"他自己又可以申請 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