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00:02:03,211\n也大概有好幾百個案件每一個項目都有還有貸款那個也持續在進行當中那這個部分是產業的部分你比較難立竿見影馬上可以看得到但是我們也有這個巡迴輔導但是你們你是巡迴輔導還是說我們是主動去協助你是等他來被動等他來申報還是我們主動去協助我們有成立一個行動服務團會那個25個這個區公所還有5個\n\n6\n00:02:06,519 --> 00:02:35,496\n这个产业园区我们会去巡回所以是主动去协助他们嘛对对对好来那个农业部陈部长您可不可以回答一下我跟委员很简单的说明就是刚才您说的进度大概分为几个面向第一个面向是现金救助的部分那现金救助的部分现在各公所提报初刊大概都结束了那现在就是说初刊完以后他们有一个复刊那现在整个平均起来大概他们已经合拨率大概60那有的县市像高雄已经到9成了\n\n7\n00:02:35,896 --> 00:02:54,104\n但是有些縣市比較少因為它量比較量體比較大一點這是第一個部分第二個部分是基礎工程的部分像邊坡還有農水路的部分那相關的部分在那個特別預算裡面編的76.82億那這個76.82億也是當初公共工程委員會針對各縣市提報上來的\n\n8\n00:02:56,525 --> 00:03:19,295\n那這個部分各地方政府已經提計畫了那我們會大概也審的初審已經確定了所以盡快的會開始去執行這個部分所以部長您講的76.8億是在水土保持在農水路跟邊坡的水土保持的部分比如說我們去看過的像六龜啦甲仙啦等等的這些土石流邊坡的部分是25.72億然後相關的農水路的部分大概45.58億\n\n9\n00:03:23,237 --> 00:03:43,498\n好那我再進一步請教你們現在追加了250億裡面的艷澀湖整治要花107億請問這艷澀湖你們現在打算怎麼整治過去一直告訴大家這個艷澀湖因為沒卡路躺下去其實它是在處理上是有一定的困難度的那現在出框了這個107億請問是要怎麼做\n\n10\n00:03:45,820 --> 00:04:14,912\n我想農業部這個部分我們整個花架在颱風造成的這個部分我們大概編了59億左右那其中有一部分天然災害的是用原來天然災害救助基金所以實際會傾徵的部分大概是將近30幾億到40億左右並沒有像剛才那個那個委員所提到的但是整個馬灘從上游的壩體到下游的部分那現在上游的壩體現在非常不穩定雖然說他的\n\n11\n00:04:16,229 --> 00:04:27,920\n那個溢流是相當穩定的但是壩體不穩定邊坡也容易崩塌這個責任分工是在你農業部還是在水利署能夠做協助因為治水的這件事情\n\n12\n00:04:29,474 --> 00:04:49,574\n應該不是你農業部的主責吧不是你的專業強項吧但是下游的這些提防加高跟那個水道的疏洪的部分是由水利署來負責我們是跨部會這樣合作的所以你們有組一個專家學者來共同來做這個有我們有跨部會的專業小組那這個專業小組的召集人是誰會不會是李鴻元教授\n\n13\n00:04:52,079 --> 00:05:11,888\n應該不是應該不是啊對所以你們有另外再組一個小組對因為跨部會本身然後我們有所謂的專家小組那專家小組像台大的團隊還有楊交大的團隊跟成大的團隊都會進來當作一個專家的諮詢的部分但是整個的決議的部分還是由我們的跨部會小組來處理\n\n14\n00:05:12,827 --> 00:05:33,459\n好這個陳部長我想剛剛跟您提問的這一些部分因為其實在這一次的這個花蓮的這個馬太安溪的一流的事件其實相當嚴重土石流警戒的警訊發布很多人不當做一回事像我們南部是收到我們大家都會\n\n15\n00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:43,090\n盡量這幾回輸啦我們大家就會開始注意然後開始準備要疏散要撤離那現在你們的土石流警戒的發布\n\n16\n00:05:44,881 --> 00:06:12,577\n如果過去這段時間大家並不引以為意的話我覺得應該要再重新的制定一個標準然後這個執行面上面能夠怎麼樣做做到什麼樣的程度我覺得政府單位應該要及時掌控包括這個拱部長水利單位對於河流河川的這個流速對河川的掌控\n\n17\n00:06:14,270 --> 00:06:33,733\n河道包括水位的高低的這些掌控程度我覺得應該要借用現在最新的這個高科技的監控系統把它做一個重新的整治這個應該要放在你們的特別條例的預算裡頭去做一個重新的盤點這一點我希望這兩個部會都能夠做得到好不好\n\n18\n00:06:34,671 --> 00:06:51,033\n我簡單跟委員報告就是您剛才講的疏散的部分像昨天在花蓮的那個前進協調所總協調官他已經強調了整個的疏散撤離計畫中央的部費都已經做了協助然後現在整帶花蓮縣政府縣長\n\n19\n00:06:52,054 --> 00:07:11,972\n決定了以後就會做相關的這些演練的部分因為只有唯有演練才能夠讓居民更早的遇到相關的警戒發布以後能夠迅速的做一個疏散作為這是第一個部分如果他們不懂的話可以請他們來請教高雄市啦可能不需要去請教到陳市長可以來問我就可以了啦\n\n20\n00:07:13,213 --> 00:07:37,814\n這個疏散撤離我們其實都有一套很完整的SOP而且非常的精準掌控撤離的這些民眾到底去了哪裡住在哪裡然後這些保全戶的範圍之內多久要巡邏一次這些SOP如果不懂的話其實是可以來請教本席那部長我覺得你們也可以把我們過去在高雄做的這一些很精準的這些撤離動作\n\n21\n00:07:40,980 --> 00:07:59,218\n這個弄一份報告給指揮官弄一份報告給花蓮縣政府這個還要等他們的縣長批我看大概這個點也拉不下來我覺得就強制去做這樣的要求好不好好了解其實我本來還有一個問題要問那個可以嗎好來兩位部長請回那個能源署能源署今天有沒有來\n\n22\n00:08:09,906 --> 00:08:24,926\n不好意思主席我兩分鐘很快來能源署你們這個防災維電網跟移動式電網的這個計畫上一次被要求要提書面報告所以現在重新提出那我看到在特別預算底下你們這個只編列了8億元\n\n23\n00:08:26,688 --> 00:08:43,867\n來做防災微電網是你覺得這個錢夠嗎不夠我們希望能更多但是因為目前只有8億所以我們未來會把它編入好那你目前只有8億你預計要做在哪裡因為我看你寫的報告是要求地方政府提報場域然後由台電去技術支援喔\n\n24\n00:08:44,527 --> 00:09:11,037\n有没有可能能源署可以自己主动的比如说在山区的地方高雄的桃园纳马下茂林地区山区每次受创严重的时候其实路断掉桥断掉你的救灾你的台电的工程车其实是进不去的所以这个韧性防灾的微电网能不能主动去盘查然后在山区我们就立刻来把这个韧性的电网去把它做起来\n\n25\n00:09:11,357 --> 00:09:28,020\n是可以的但是我們一方面也要跟地方政府那個偏遠的鄉鎮公所來配合因為他們最知道他們未來的人要撤到哪裡去那基本上我們第一線我們會先尊重他那如果他不提的話那我們會替他來安排跟做建議\n\n26\n00:09:28,806 --> 00:09:57,906\n这个署长我想你们的这个房灾维电网我认为其实还有很多的这个精进的空间包括是不是能够跟一些这个做维电网的这些业者做除能设备的这些业者去做一些会谈去设计更适合在当地的比如说可移动式的除电系统那屋顶的太阳能是不是家家户户都能够建置一个一定的程度瓦数的\n\n27\n00:09:58,706 --> 00:10:20,156\n能夠提供一定電力度數的這些太陽能板讓這一些其實山上的居民他不一定是要被撤離走但是他只要遇到電線桿斷掉停電的時候他整個電力供給是出問題的時候我覺得移動式的這些儲能系統應該會在那個時候發揮相當大的功能這個可不可以請你們再去研究一下好嗎是謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6152\t15520\t好 謝謝主席因為時間很短所以我就直接提問來我請經濟部跟農業部部長好不好兩位部長我們請兩位部長我也好\n21427\t49181\t兩位部長好 部長我想請教一下 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躺下去其實它是在處理上是有一定的困難度的那現在出框了這個107億請問是要怎麼做\n225820\t254912\t我想農業部這個部分我們整個花架在颱風造成的這個部分我們大概編了59億左右那其中有一部分天然災害的是用原來天然災害救助基金所以實際會傾徵的部分大概是將近30幾億到40億左右並沒有像剛才那個那個委員所提到的但是整個馬灘從上游的壩體到下游的部分那現在上游的壩體現在非常不穩定雖然說他的\n256229\t267920\t那個溢流是相當穩定的但是壩體不穩定邊坡也容易崩塌這個責任分工是在你農業部還是在水利署能夠做協助因為治水的這件事情\n269474\t289574\t應該不是你農業部的主責吧不是你的專業強項吧但是下游的這些提防加高跟那個水道的疏洪的部分是由水利署來負責我們是跨部會這樣合作的所以你們有組一個專家學者來共同來做這個有 我們有跨部會的專業小組那這個專業小組的召集人是誰會不會是李鴻元教授\n292079\t311888\t應該不是應該不是啊 對所以你們有另外再組一個小組對 因為跨部會本身然後我們有所謂的專家小組那專家小組像台大的團隊還有楊交大的團隊跟成大的團隊都會進來當作一個專家的諮詢的部分但是整個的決議的部分還是由我們的跨部會小組來處理\n312827\t333459\t好 這個陳部長我想剛剛跟您提問的這一些部分因為其實在這一次的這個花蓮的這個馬太安溪的一流的事件其實相當嚴重土石流警戒的警訊發布很多人不當做一回事像我們南部是收到我們大家都會\n335080\t343090\t盡量這幾回輸啦 我們大家就會開始注意然後開始準備要疏散 要撤離那現在你們的土石流警戒的發布\n344881\t372577\t如果過去這段時間大家並不引以為意的話我覺得應該要再重新的制定一個標準然後這個執行面上面能夠怎麼樣做 做到什麼樣的程度我覺得政府單位應該要及時掌控包括這個拱部長水利單位對於河流 河川的這個流速對河川的掌控\n374270\t393733\t河道包括水位的高低的這些掌控程度我覺得應該要借用現在最新的這個高科技的監控系統把它做一個重新的整治這個應該要放在你們的特別條例的預算裡頭去做一個重新的盤點這一點我希望這兩個部會都能夠做得到好不好\n394671\t411033\t我簡單跟委員報告就是您剛才講的疏散的部分像昨天在花蓮的那個前進協調所總協調官他已經強調了整個的疏散撤離計畫中央的部費都已經做了協助然後現在整帶花蓮縣政府縣長\n412054\t431972\t決定了以後就會做相關的這些演練的部分因為只有 唯有演練才能夠讓居民更早的遇到相關的警戒發布以後能夠迅速的做一個疏散作為這是第一個部分如果他們不懂的話可以請他們來請教高雄市啦可能不需要去請教到陳市長可以來問我就可以了啦\n433213\t457814\t這個疏散撤離我們其實都有一套很完整的SOP而且非常的精準掌控撤離的這些民眾到底去了哪裡住在哪裡然後這些保全戶的範圍之內多久要巡邏一次這些SOP如果不懂的話其實是可以來請教本席那部長我覺得你們也可以把我們過去在高雄做的這一些很精準的這些撤離動作\n460980\t479218\t這個弄一份報告給指揮官弄一份報告給花蓮縣政府這個還要等他們的縣長批我看大概這個點也拉不下來我覺得就強制去做這樣的要求好不好好 了解其實我本來還有一個問題要問那個可以嗎好 來兩位部長請回那個能源署能源署今天有沒有來\n489906\t504926\t不好意思 主席 我兩分鐘很快來 能源署你們這個防災維電網跟移動式電網的這個計畫上一次被要求要提書面報告所以現在重新提出那我看到在特別預算底下你們這個只編列了8億元\n506688\t523867\t來做防災微電網是你覺得這個錢夠嗎不夠我們希望能更多但是因為目前只有8億所以我們未來會把它編入好那你目前只有8億你預計要做在哪裡因為我看你寫的報告是要求地方政府提報場域然後由台電去技術支援喔\n524527\t551037\t有没有可能能源署可以自己主动的比如说在山区的地方高雄的桃园纳马下茂林地区山区每次受创严重的时候其实路断掉桥断掉你的救灾你的台电的工程车其实是进不去的所以这个韧性防灾的微电网能不能主动去盘查然后在山区我们就立刻来把这个韧性的电网去把它做起来\n551357\t568020\t是可以的但是我們一方面也要跟地方政府那個偏遠的鄉鎮公所來配合因為他們最知道他們未來的人要撤到哪裡去那基本上我們第一線我們會先尊重他那如果他不提的話那我們會替他來安排跟做建議\n568806\t597906\t这个署长我想你们的这个房灾维电网我认为其实还有很多的这个精进的空间包括是不是能够跟一些这个做维电网的这些业者做除能设备的这些业者去做一些会谈去设计更适合在当地的比如说可移动式的除电系统那屋顶的太阳能是不是家家户户都能够建置一个一定的程度瓦数的\n598706\t620156\t能夠提供一定電力度數的這些太陽能板讓這一些其實山上的居民他不一定是要被撤離走但是他只要遇到電線桿斷掉停電的時候他整個電力供給是出問題的時候我覺得移動式的這些儲能系統應該會在那個時候發揮相當大的功能這個可不可以請你們再去研究一下好嗎是 謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席因為時間很短所以我就直接提問來我請經濟部跟農業部部長好不好兩位部長我們請兩位部長我也好\n兩位部長好 部長我想請教一下 直接問這個因為丹納斯颱風跟728的豪雨其實對於南台灣是重創不過我剛剛看了很多部會的報告包括交通部等等其他的報告其實幾乎台灣大部分的縣市都納進去了我想請教一下針對這樣的一個風災所造成的災害我們的復原進度目前大概是多少\n那行政院在10月9號呢又通過了一個修正案要追加250億要把花蓮的這一次的這個水災堰塞湖溢流的這樣的一個災害把它納進去我其實比較關心的就是說這個追加了250億要怎麼花要怎麼編列原先的600億的預算會不會被排擠到來兩位部長誰可以來回答\n包委員我先說明一下現在這個進度進行的狀況只要是那個復原包括水啊電啊那個我們就盡快已經都復原了但是有一些比較中長期的比如說產業界他們可能有一些受創然後我們補助他那個持續在進行當中現在有\n也大概有好幾百個案件每一個項目都有還有貸款那個也持續在進行當中那這個部分是產業的部分你比較難立竿見影馬上可以看得到但是我們也有這個巡迴輔導但是你們你是巡迴輔導還是說我們是主動去協助你是等他來被動等他來申報還是我們主動去協助我們有成立一個行動服務團會那個25個這個區公所還有5個\n这个产业园区我们会去巡回所以是主动去协助他们嘛对对对好来那个农业部陈部长您可不可以回答一下我跟委员很简单的说明就是刚才您说的进度大概分为几个面向第一个面向是现金救助的部分那现金救助的部分现在各公所提报初刊大概都结束了那现在就是说初刊完以后他们有一个复刊那现在整个平均起来大概他们已经合拨率大概60那有的县市像高雄已经到9成了\n但是有些縣市比較少因為它量比較量體比較大一點這是第一個部分第二個部分是基礎工程的部分像邊坡還有農水路的部分那相關的部分在那個特別預算裡面編的76.82億那這個76.82億也是當初公共工程委員會針對各縣市提報上來的\n那這個部分各地方政府已經提計畫了那我們會大概也審的初審已經確定了所以盡快的會開始去執行這個部分所以部長您講的76.8億是在水土保持在農水路跟邊坡的水土保持的部分比如說我們去看過的像六龜啦甲仙啦等等的這些土石流邊坡的部分是25.72億然後相關的農水路的部分大概45.58億\n好那我再進一步請教你們現在追加了250億裡面的艷澀湖整治要花107億請問這艷澀湖你們現在打算怎麼整治過去一直告訴大家這個艷澀湖因為沒卡路 躺下去其實它是在處理上是有一定的困難度的那現在出框了這個107億請問是要怎麼做\n我想農業部這個部分我們整個花架在颱風造成的這個部分我們大概編了59億左右那其中有一部分天然災害的是用原來天然災害救助基金所以實際會傾徵的部分大概是將近30幾億到40億左右並沒有像剛才那個那個委員所提到的但是整個馬灘從上游的壩體到下游的部分那現在上游的壩體現在非常不穩定雖然說他的\n那個溢流是相當穩定的但是壩體不穩定邊坡也容易崩塌這個責任分工是在你農業部還是在水利署能夠做協助因為治水的這件事情\n應該不是你農業部的主責吧不是你的專業強項吧但是下游的這些提防加高跟那個水道的疏洪的部分是由水利署來負責我們是跨部會這樣合作的所以你們有組一個專家學者來共同來做這個有 我們有跨部會的專業小組那這個專業小組的召集人是誰會不會是李鴻元教授\n應該不是應該不是啊 對所以你們有另外再組一個小組對 因為跨部會本身然後我們有所謂的專家小組那專家小組像台大的團隊還有楊交大的團隊跟成大的團隊都會進來當作一個專家的諮詢的部分但是整個的決議的部分還是由我們的跨部會小組來處理\n好 這個陳部長我想剛剛跟您提問的這一些部分因為其實在這一次的這個花蓮的這個馬太安溪的一流的事件其實相當嚴重土石流警戒的警訊發布很多人不當做一回事像我們南部是收到我們大家都會\n盡量這幾回輸啦 我們大家就會開始注意然後開始準備要疏散 要撤離那現在你們的土石流警戒的發布\n如果過去這段時間大家並不引以為意的話我覺得應該要再重新的制定一個標準然後這個執行面上面能夠怎麼樣做 做到什麼樣的程度我覺得政府單位應該要及時掌控包括這個拱部長水利單位對於河流 河川的這個流速對河川的掌控\n河道包括水位的高低的這些掌控程度我覺得應該要借用現在最新的這個高科技的監控系統把它做一個重新的整治這個應該要放在你們的特別條例的預算裡頭去做一個重新的盤點這一點我希望這兩個部會都能夠做得到好不好\n我簡單跟委員報告就是您剛才講的疏散的部分像昨天在花蓮的那個前進協調所總協調官他已經強調了整個的疏散撤離計畫中央的部費都已經做了協助然後現在整帶花蓮縣政府縣長\n決定了以後就會做相關的這些演練的部分因為只有 唯有演練才能夠讓居民更早的遇到相關的警戒發布以後能夠迅速的做一個疏散作為這是第一個部分如果他們不懂的話可以請他們來請教高雄市啦可能不需要去請教到陳市長可以來問我就可以了啦\n這個疏散撤離我們其實都有一套很完整的SOP而且非常的精準掌控撤離的這些民眾到底去了哪裡住在哪裡然後這些保全戶的範圍之內多久要巡邏一次這些SOP如果不懂的話其實是可以來請教本席那部長我覺得你們也可以把我們過去在高雄做的這一些很精準的這些撤離動作\n這個弄一份報告給指揮官弄一份報告給花蓮縣政府這個還要等他們的縣長批我看大概這個點也拉不下來我覺得就強制去做這樣的要求好不好好 了解其實我本來還有一個問題要問那個可以嗎好 來兩位部長請回那個能源署能源署今天有沒有來\n不好意思 主席 我兩分鐘很快來 能源署你們這個防災維電網跟移動式電網的這個計畫上一次被要求要提書面報告所以現在重新提出那我看到在特別預算底下你們這個只編列了8億元\n來做防災微電網是你覺得這個錢夠嗎不夠我們希望能更多但是因為目前只有8億所以我們未來會把它編入好那你目前只有8億你預計要做在哪裡因為我看你寫的報告是要求地方政府提報場域然後由台電去技術支援喔\n有没有可能能源署可以自己主动的比如说在山区的地方高雄的桃园纳马下茂林地区山区每次受创严重的时候其实路断掉桥断掉你的救灾你的台电的工程车其实是进不去的所以这个韧性防灾的微电网能不能主动去盘查然后在山区我们就立刻来把这个韧性的电网去把它做起来\n是可以的但是我們一方面也要跟地方政府那個偏遠的鄉鎮公所來配合因為他們最知道他們未來的人要撤到哪裡去那基本上我們第一線我們會先尊重他那如果他不提的話那我們會替他來安排跟做建議\n这个署长我想你们的这个房灾维电网我认为其实还有很多的这个精进的空间包括是不是能够跟一些这个做维电网的这些业者做除能设备的这些业者去做一些会谈去设计更适合在当地的比如说可移动式的除电系统那屋顶的太阳能是不是家家户户都能够建置一个一定的程度瓦数的\n能夠提供一定電力度數的這些太陽能板讓這一些其實山上的居民他不一定是要被撤離走但是他只要遇到電線桿斷掉停電的時候他整個電力供給是出問題的時候我覺得移動式的這些儲能系統應該會在那個時候發揮相當大的功能這個可不可以請你們再去研究一下好嗎是 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.152 --> 00:15.520\n好謝謝主席因為時間很短所以我就直接提問來我請經濟部跟農業部部長好不好兩位部長我們請兩位部長我也好\n\n00:21.427 --> 00:49.181\n兩位部長好部長我想請教一下直接問這個因為丹納斯颱風跟728的豪雨其實對於南台灣是重創不過我剛剛看了很多部會的報告包括交通部等等其他的報告其實幾乎台灣大部分的縣市都納進去了我想請教一下針對這樣的一個風災所造成的災害我們的復原進度目前大概是多少\n\n00:49.801 --> 01:18.992\n那行政院在10月9號呢又通過了一個修正案要追加250億要把花蓮的這一次的這個水災堰塞湖溢流的這樣的一個災害把它納進去我其實比較關心的就是說這個追加了250億要怎麼花要怎麼編列原先的600億的預算會不會被排擠到來兩位部長誰可以來回答\n\n01:20.509 --> 01:37.779\n包委員我先說明一下現在這個進度進行的狀況只要是那個復原包括水啊電啊那個我們就盡快已經都復原了但是有一些比較中長期的比如說產業界他們可能有一些受創然後我們補助他那個持續在進行當中現在有\n\n01:38.719 --> 02:03.211\n也大概有好幾百個案件每一個項目都有還有貸款那個也持續在進行當中那這個部分是產業的部分你比較難立竿見影馬上可以看得到但是我們也有這個巡迴輔導但是你們你是巡迴輔導還是說我們是主動去協助你是等他來被動等他來申報還是我們主動去協助我們有成立一個行動服務團會那個25個這個區公所還有5個\n\n02:06.519 --> 02:35.496\n这个产业园区我们会去巡回所以是主动去协助他们嘛对对对好来那个农业部陈部长您可不可以回答一下我跟委员很简单的说明就是刚才您说的进度大概分为几个面向第一个面向是现金救助的部分那现金救助的部分现在各公所提报初刊大概都结束了那现在就是说初刊完以后他们有一个复刊那现在整个平均起来大概他们已经合拨率大概60那有的县市像高雄已经到9成了\n\n02:35.896 --> 02:54.104\n但是有些縣市比較少因為它量比較量體比較大一點這是第一個部分第二個部分是基礎工程的部分像邊坡還有農水路的部分那相關的部分在那個特別預算裡面編的76.82億那這個76.82億也是當初公共工程委員會針對各縣市提報上來的\n\n02:56.525 --> 03:19.295\n那這個部分各地方政府已經提計畫了那我們會大概也審的初審已經確定了所以盡快的會開始去執行這個部分所以部長您講的76.8億是在水土保持在農水路跟邊坡的水土保持的部分比如說我們去看過的像六龜啦甲仙啦等等的這些土石流邊坡的部分是25.72億然後相關的農水路的部分大概45.58億\n\n03:23.237 --> 03:43.498\n好那我再進一步請教你們現在追加了250億裡面的艷澀湖整治要花107億請問這艷澀湖你們現在打算怎麼整治過去一直告訴大家這個艷澀湖因為沒卡路躺下去其實它是在處理上是有一定的困難度的那現在出框了這個107億請問是要怎麼做\n\n03:45.820 --> 04:14.912\n我想農業部這個部分我們整個花架在颱風造成的這個部分我們大概編了59億左右那其中有一部分天然災害的是用原來天然災害救助基金所以實際會傾徵的部分大概是將近30幾億到40億左右並沒有像剛才那個那個委員所提到的但是整個馬灘從上游的壩體到下游的部分那現在上游的壩體現在非常不穩定雖然說他的\n\n04:16.229 --> 04:27.920\n那個溢流是相當穩定的但是壩體不穩定邊坡也容易崩塌這個責任分工是在你農業部還是在水利署能夠做協助因為治水的這件事情\n\n04:29.474 --> 04:49.574\n應該不是你農業部的主責吧不是你的專業強項吧但是下游的這些提防加高跟那個水道的疏洪的部分是由水利署來負責我們是跨部會這樣合作的所以你們有組一個專家學者來共同來做這個有我們有跨部會的專業小組那這個專業小組的召集人是誰會不會是李鴻元教授\n\n04:52.079 --> 05:11.888\n應該不是應該不是啊對所以你們有另外再組一個小組對因為跨部會本身然後我們有所謂的專家小組那專家小組像台大的團隊還有楊交大的團隊跟成大的團隊都會進來當作一個專家的諮詢的部分但是整個的決議的部分還是由我們的跨部會小組來處理\n\n05:12.827 --> 05:33.459\n好這個陳部長我想剛剛跟您提問的這一些部分因為其實在這一次的這個花蓮的這個馬太安溪的一流的事件其實相當嚴重土石流警戒的警訊發布很多人不當做一回事像我們南部是收到我們大家都會\n\n05:35.080 --> 05:43.090\n盡量這幾回輸啦我們大家就會開始注意然後開始準備要疏散要撤離那現在你們的土石流警戒的發布\n\n05:44.881 --> 06:12.577\n如果過去這段時間大家並不引以為意的話我覺得應該要再重新的制定一個標準然後這個執行面上面能夠怎麼樣做做到什麼樣的程度我覺得政府單位應該要及時掌控包括這個拱部長水利單位對於河流河川的這個流速對河川的掌控\n\n06:14.270 --> 06:33.733\n河道包括水位的高低的這些掌控程度我覺得應該要借用現在最新的這個高科技的監控系統把它做一個重新的整治這個應該要放在你們的特別條例的預算裡頭去做一個重新的盤點這一點我希望這兩個部會都能夠做得到好不好\n\n06:34.671 --> 06:51.033\n我簡單跟委員報告就是您剛才講的疏散的部分像昨天在花蓮的那個前進協調所總協調官他已經強調了整個的疏散撤離計畫中央的部費都已經做了協助然後現在整帶花蓮縣政府縣長\n\n06:52.054 --> 07:11.972\n決定了以後就會做相關的這些演練的部分因為只有唯有演練才能夠讓居民更早的遇到相關的警戒發布以後能夠迅速的做一個疏散作為這是第一個部分如果他們不懂的話可以請他們來請教高雄市啦可能不需要去請教到陳市長可以來問我就可以了啦\n\n07:13.213 --> 07:37.814\n這個疏散撤離我們其實都有一套很完整的SOP而且非常的精準掌控撤離的這些民眾到底去了哪裡住在哪裡然後這些保全戶的範圍之內多久要巡邏一次這些SOP如果不懂的話其實是可以來請教本席那部長我覺得你們也可以把我們過去在高雄做的這一些很精準的這些撤離動作\n\n07:40.980 --> 07:59.218\n這個弄一份報告給指揮官弄一份報告給花蓮縣政府這個還要等他們的縣長批我看大概這個點也拉不下來我覺得就強制去做這樣的要求好不好好了解其實我本來還有一個問題要問那個可以嗎好來兩位部長請回那個能源署能源署今天有沒有來\n\n08:09.906 --> 08:24.926\n不好意思主席我兩分鐘很快來能源署你們這個防災維電網跟移動式電網的這個計畫上一次被要求要提書面報告所以現在重新提出那我看到在特別預算底下你們這個只編列了8億元\n\n08:26.688 --> 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