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00:01:25,050\n那這個新興病是經過金管會核定的一個併購案好那我現在就是也一樣再回到就是賴斯堡委員的一個議題就是說合併後的一個存續公司那到底目前在華麗的主體是誰\n\n5\n00:01:26,144 --> 00:01:48,317\n其實按照他們在7月送過來的計劃書因為他們大概在7月下旬就已經把合併的申請送到保險局現在正在審查補件審查中那他們是剛剛我也報告過了他們在計劃書所呈送的是存續公司是台新人壽小米公司新光人壽合併以後更名為新光人壽\n\n6\n00:01:48,999 --> 00:02:10,569\n是可是之前的星光人壽已經不存在了法律上面它在合併的時候它是被指定就是一個消滅但是實際上它所有的實體都還是在未來這合併的實體裡面好那主委我請教你星光人壽的一個保護他們所有的保障是還存在完全不改變這是我們金融機構合併法裡面非常清楚明定\n\n7\n00:02:11,209 --> 00:02:26,184\n是完全不改變對完全起碼我們就是已經保障了星光人獸的所有保護的一個權利這個過去合併案已經有很多很多已經有幾十年就是應該金融機構合併法從八到九年通過以後一直都是這樣\n\n8\n00:02:26,624 --> 00:02:39,455\n那到目前為止因為昨天李士川副市長他開了一個記者會他說今天就會終止跟星光人壽的一個合併\n\n9\n00:02:42,617 --> 00:02:58,422\n那個合併同意那個解決這個狀況那如果就是說他們今天透過這樣的一個公開的一個程序的話那你認為台北市政府可以這樣的一個認定嗎站在金管會的立場上\n\n10\n00:02:59,059 --> 00:03:16,956\n我想剛才有委員詢問到我也是看這個新聞看到他們開了記者會他不是開了記者會說今天會發文給星光人獸提議怎麼樣來進行合議解約我想這是我剛才說過這個問題是他們跟星光人獸之間的\n\n11\n00:03:18,417 --> 00:03:43,056\n這個地上權的合約的爭議他們就按照合約上去解決這部分我想大概就是這個那金管會這邊所在意的就是說星光他針對T17T18是一個不動產的投資案我們就按照我們不動產的相關規範來管理這件事情有沒有慢如果就是地上權的這個開花那星光人壽有沒有慢了那金管會有沒有失職\n\n12\n00:03:44,011 --> 00:04:12,663\n其實我剛才跟委員報告就是說我們的辦法裡面規定因為它的地上權就是我們是按照明確以樹地來做管理就是一塊土地來做管理那土地的開發我們因為保險法已經明確講就是說所有的不動產必須要及時利用且有收益但是對於既有的不動產比如說商辦或是大樓這些應該立刻要產生收益我們有一定的規定比如說一定期間之內你就必須要有收益否則的話我們會處罰或限期叫他改善\n\n13\n00:04:13,323 --> 00:04:36,372\n土地的部分是五年的時間我剛才有看到了你特別的這個回答其他的委員有特別講了很清楚就是說他還要透過都審所以他的計算方式並不是說合約開始簽訂了以後的五年是他透過了都審通過了以後的第一年開始這樣子算就是都審的時間不算那其他就是我們的五年\n\n14\n00:04:37,392 --> 00:05:04,432\n就是按照我們所謂的即時利用且有所謂對土地的管理的部分其實主委我們比較擔心的就是說新光人壽的一個公司的權益如果在沒有受損然後保護的權益也是被保存下來的時候那新壽是不是有背信的這一個問題新壽有沒有背信的問題我想這個可能是我在這裡要拜託就是我們金管會要密切的去注意這樣的一個問題\n\n15\n00:05:05,362 --> 00:05:21,781\n是當然比如說我剛才講我們在意的是公司比如說公司治理的程序是否符合我們內供內機相關公司治理的規範以及不動產投資是不是符合我們相關的內容那至於說他們契約上面的爭議其實很多人就把這兩個混在一起其實這兩個是\n\n16\n00:05:24,763 --> 00:05:41,050\n不只金管會可以管我想財政部還有經濟部還有其他跨部會其實都可以一起來參與中央都可以來參與監督也來協助這個案子當然有助於產業發展爭取外資投資這都是一致的\n\n17\n00:05:42,438 --> 00:06:07,823\n主委接著金融開放來跟你探討亞洲金融那個管理中心就是高雄的金融專區我們知道在7月1日正式的一個啟動那這個啟動的過程當中其實金融的開放我想不是只有市場的一個議題也是國土均衡的一個策略上的一個工具所以說擺在高雄其實上一次我有跟你請教過是不是\n\n18\n00:06:08,563 --> 00:06:36,369\n這一個專區其實在每一個縣市都有機會就是變成一個金融專區是不是這樣子的一個就是我們是不是以這樣子的一個鋪陳呢是的我想我在很多地方講過就是我們是參考日本的金融專區的設立像日本就四個城市他們這樣當然我們剛才講的主要是比如說我們各個地方政府願意提供什麼樣的誘因來吸引或是發展它的特色我們在金管業這邊一定全力來支持\n\n19\n00:06:36,914 --> 00:07:05,711\n是所以就是說不是只有一個高雄專區它也有機會變成一個台南的專區那金管會都會全力的一個支持好那從高雄專區的一個吸引力是不是比照新加坡那是不是比照新加坡我想法治的一個穩定這個應該是沒有問題好稅務的一個優惠那如果是新加坡的稅務的優惠的話它其實如果我們看那個資料\n\n20\n00:07:06,551 --> 00:07:11,616\n如果你有投資就是超過台幣267億你就可以免稅優惠稅到5%到10%那這一個我們高雄專區有沒有這樣子的一個稅務的優惠呢\n\n21\n00:07:23,959 --> 00:07:51,078\n我們的稅是屬於中央的權限就是稅法上面的規定地方的話我們就看像比如說以日本為例他們有些地方有課地方稅他們地方就可以決定來做這件事情我想這個稅的部分我們相較於比如新加坡確實在這一塊我們的是比較沒有那麼的突出像新加坡很明顯他比如說針對你外國投資的部分他對他的企業的所得稅\n\n22\n00:07:52,399 --> 00:08:19,611\n那還有就是比如說他們主委沒有那麼突出是表示沒有是不是那如果你沒有辦法就是優惠在這個稅率上優惠的話你怎麼吸引這個就是比較多的一個這個產業願意把錢放在這個專區裡頭呢當然是我想這是一個稅的話我在很多地方也說過稅當然是一個很好的武器或者很好的工具但是我們也看到如果說一定要有稅才能做的話我們\n\n23\n00:08:20,771 --> 00:08:42,038\n在台湾要争取税是比较那金管会有没有试着跟就是说财政部还是说高雄市政府去做这个税的一个沟通这个绝对是我们沟通的重点优惠的一个沟通有没有当然有有还是行不通当然各个部会在做这些考虑的时候他可以不可以让一些出来你如果不让的话事实上我们怎么就是说\n\n24\n00:08:43,118 --> 00:09:04,900\n追求更多的一個投資者願意把錢換到這一個專區裡頭來你一定要有一個誘因這個誘因應該是我們大家要努力的是…我想委員講得我非常的贊成第一個當然比如說我們也看世界上很多的金融中心它並沒有稅它也做得很好我們也不能說沒有稅我們就不做\n\n25\n00:09:05,701 --> 00:09:20,548\n像比如說紐約倫敦他們也沒有稅但是他一樣是很多的他有他的條件他有他的條件因為他整個投資的一個這個集中就在那個地方那我們現在要新創我們必須要有更多的一個誘因\n\n26\n00:09:21,568 --> 00:09:49,282\n那譬如說你的高資產客戶要跟那個國際有一個競爭力你就是要把這一個他的一個行政程序你要把它縮短變成是一戶式的你不能讓他在這個整個開戶整個就是說在使用上他就變非常的一個冗長那顯然稅務的優惠是沒有啦對稅務優惠我們是比較相對的比較缺乏但是比如說法制穩定彈性兼領我們可以來努力對不對這部分\n\n27\n00:09:50,823 --> 00:10:15,323\n特別是在金融監理的我覺得法制跟監理的彈性這個對你來講都不是問題都是稅務的優惠這一段我想我們應該要再更努力所以我也期待有所突破因為這部分確實假設我們要長遠能夠具有持續性的進展跟優勢我想稅如果有稅的幫忙當然是一個非常正面的因素\n\n28\n00:10:16,064 --> 00:10:34,737\n那我想就是再有一個議題跨境的ETF這一個在東京掛牌在這個第三季的一個掛牌到目前為止我們看起來成績是不怎麼樣那不怎麼樣我不知道主委你有沒有去看到這一個問題\n\n29\n00:10:36,035 --> 00:10:59,402\n我想今天剛好交一首董事長這邊他可以跟委員快速的報告一下現在的狀況董事長是不是快速的報告一下跟委員報告那事實上我們掛了兩隻在東政所這兩隻跨進了ETF在一個月九月到現在一個月內一隻成長它的AUM它的那個FoundSize成長五倍另外一隻成長三倍也就在一個月內\n\n30\n00:11:00,222 --> 00:11:10,458\n他真的成長一個五倍跟一個三倍所以而且東正所也為了我們這兩支呢他也做了很多網路的宣傳包括連結或這樣所以他們短時間內東正所也對我們非常的支持\n\n31\n00:11:14,244 --> 00:11:42,660\n我想台灣的科技台灣的科技是一個很亮眼的一個指標那問題就是說這一個管理上是不是在資產管理上是不是有辦法透明這個是應該是吸引投資者非常重要的一個原因那我是要那個拜託大家就是說我們希望就是這個跨境跨境那個ETF我們尤其是在日本這個我們應該是因為在地緣上那個我們可以做得更好\n\n32\n00:11:43,761 --> 00:11:51,675\n給大家加油是這也是我們努力的方向好謝謝謝謝委員謝謝賴委員接下來我們請林思明召委\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n569\t24587\t我們請彭主委主委早安主委我想這個資本市場的引擎還有國家競爭力的一個象徵就是來自於經濟我們國家的一個經濟其實就是很明確的就是表現出來就是國家的競爭力那我針對的最新的這個議題就是\n29909\t51676\t新光人壽在T17跟T18的地上全案就是有沒有做到軍管會有沒有做到這個保護權益跟監管的一個責任剛才我聽到就是主委你跟賴思寶委員在對談的過程當中也針對相同的一個議題你特別有提醒到就是說工具不足\n52509\t65942\t無法可管 也不是 因為我們不同的職長有不同的職長 並不是只有經管會是 我們還有很多其他單位那必須要是跨部會的一個監管共同的來解決這一個問題\n67751\t85050\t那這個新興病是經過金管會核定的一個併購案好那我現在就是也一樣再回到就是賴斯堡委員的一個議題就是說合併後的一個存續公司那到底目前在華麗的主體是誰\n86144\t108317\t其實按照他們在7月送過來的計劃書因為他們大概在7月下旬就已經把合併的申請送到保險局現在正在審查 補件審查中那他們是 剛剛我也報告過了他們在計劃書所呈送的是存續公司是台新人壽小米公司新光人壽合併以後更名為新光人壽\n108999\t130569\t是 可是之前的星光人壽已經不存在了法律上面它在合併的時候它是被指定就是一個消滅但是實際上它所有的實體都還是在未來這合併的實體裡面好 那主委我請教你星光人壽的一個保護他們所有的保障是還存在完全不改變這是我們金融機構合併法裡面非常清楚明定\n131209\t146184\t是完全不改變對 完全起碼我們就是已經保障了星光人獸的所有保護的一個權利這個過去合併案已經有很多很多已經有幾十年就是應該金融機構合併法從八到九年通過以後一直都是這樣\n146624\t159455\t那到目前為止因為昨天李士川副市長他開了一個記者會他說今天就會終止跟星光人壽的一個合併\n162617\t178422\t那個合併同意那個解決這個狀況那如果就是說他們今天透過這樣的一個公開的一個程序的話那你認為台北市政府可以這樣的一個認定嗎站在金管會的立場上\n179059\t196956\t我想剛才有委員詢問到我也是看這個新聞看到他們開了記者會他不是開了記者會說今天會發文給星光人獸提議怎麼樣來進行合議解約我想這是我剛才說過這個問題是他們跟星光人獸之間的\n198417\t223056\t這個地上權的合約的爭議他們就按照合約上去解決這部分我想大概就是這個那金管會這邊所在意的就是說星光他針對T17 T18是一個不動產的投資案我們就按照我們不動產的相關規範來管理這件事情有沒有慢如果就是地上權的這個開花那星光人壽有沒有慢了那金管會有沒有失職\n224011\t252663\t其實我剛才跟委員報告就是說我們的辦法裡面規定因為它的地上權就是我們是按照明確以樹地來做管理就是一塊土地來做管理那土地的開發我們因為保險法已經明確講就是說所有的不動產必須要及時利用且有收益但是對於既有的不動產比如說商辦或是大樓這些應該立刻要產生收益我們有一定的規定比如說一定期間之內你就必須要有收益否則的話我們會處罰或限期叫他改善\n253323\t276372\t土地的部分是五年的時間我剛才有看到了你特別的這個回答其他的委員有特別講了很清楚就是說他還要透過都審所以他的計算方式並不是說合約開始簽訂了以後的五年是他透過了都審通過了以後的第一年開始這樣子算就是都審的時間不算那其他就是我們的五年\n277392\t304432\t就是按照我們所謂的即時利用且有所謂對土地的管理的部分其實主委我們比較擔心的就是說新光人壽的一個公司的權益如果在沒有受損然後保護的權益也是被保存下來的時候那新壽是不是有背信的這一個問題新壽有沒有背信的問題我想這個可能是我在這裡要拜託就是我們金管會要密切的去注意這樣的一個問題\n305362\t321781\t是當然比如說我剛才講我們在意的是公司比如說公司治理的程序是否符合我們內供內機相關公司治理的規範以及不動產投資是不是符合我們相關的內容那至於說他們契約上面的爭議其實很多人就把這兩個混在一起其實這兩個是\n324763\t341050\t不只金管會可以管我想財政部還有經濟部還有其他跨部會其實都可以一起來參與中央都可以來參與監督也來協助這個案子當然有助於產業發展爭取外資投資這都是一致的\n342438\t367823\t主委接著金融開放來跟你探討亞洲金融那個管理中心就是高雄的金融專區我們知道在7月1日正式的一個啟動那這個啟動的過程當中其實金融的開放我想不是只有市場的一個議題也是國土均衡的一個策略上的一個工具所以說擺在高雄其實上一次我有跟你請教過是不是\n368563\t396369\t這一個專區其實在每一個縣市都有機會就是變成一個金融專區是不是這樣子的一個就是我們是不是以這樣子的一個鋪陳呢是的 我想我在很多地方講過就是我們是參考日本的金融專區的設立像日本就四個城市他們這樣當然我們剛才講的主要是比如說我們各個地方政府願意提供什麼樣的誘因來吸引或是發展它的特色我們在金管業這邊一定全力來支持\n396914\t425711\t是 所以就是說不是只有一個高雄專區它也有機會變成一個台南的專區那金管會都會全力的一個支持好 那從高雄專區的一個吸引力是不是比照新加坡那是不是比照新加坡我想法治的一個穩定這個應該是沒有問題好 稅務的一個優惠那如果是新加坡的稅務的優惠的話它其實如果我們看那個資料\n426551\t431616\t如果你有投資就是超過台幣267億你就可以免稅優惠稅到5%到10%那這一個我們高雄專區有沒有這樣子的一個稅務的優惠呢\n443959\t471078\t我們的稅是屬於中央的權限就是稅法上面的規定地方的話我們就看像比如說以日本為例他們有些地方有課地方稅他們地方就可以決定來做這件事情我想這個稅的部分我們相較於比如新加坡確實在這一塊我們的是比較沒有那麼的突出像新加坡很明顯他比如說針對你外國投資的部分他對他的企業的所得稅\n472399\t499611\t那還有就是比如說他們主委沒有那麼突出是表示沒有是不是那如果你沒有辦法就是優惠在這個稅率上優惠的話你怎麼吸引這個就是比較多的一個這個產業願意把錢放在這個專區裡頭呢當然是我想這是一個稅的話我在很多地方也說過稅當然是一個很好的武器或者很好的工具但是我們也看到如果說一定要有稅才能做的話我們\n500771\t522038\t在台湾要争取税是比较那金管会有没有试着跟就是说财政部还是说高雄市政府去做这个税的一个沟通这个绝对是我们沟通的重点优惠的一个沟通有没有当然有有 还是行不通当然各个部会在做这些考虑的时候他可以不可以让一些出来你如果不让的话事实上我们怎么就是说\n523118\t544900\t追求更多的一個投資者願意把錢換到這一個專區裡頭來你一定要有一個誘因這個誘因應該是我們大家要努力的是…我想委員講得我非常的贊成第一個當然比如說我們也看世界上很多的金融中心它並沒有稅 它也做得很好我們也不能說沒有稅我們就不做\n545701\t560548\t像比如說紐約倫敦他們也沒有稅但是他一樣是很多的他有他的條件他有他的條件因為他整個投資的一個這個集中就在那個地方那我們現在要新創我們必須要有更多的一個誘因\n561568\t589282\t那譬如說你的高資產客戶要跟那個國際有一個競爭力你就是要把這一個他的一個行政程序你要把它縮短變成是一戶式的你不能讓他在這個整個開戶整個就是說在使用上他就變非常的一個冗長那顯然稅務的優惠是沒有啦對 稅務優惠我們是比較相對的比較缺乏但是比如說法制穩定彈性兼領我們可以來努力對不對這部分\n590823\t615323\t特別是在金融監理的我覺得法制跟監理的彈性這個對你來講都不是問題都是稅務的優惠這一段我想我們應該要再更努力所以我也期待有所突破因為這部分確實假設我們要長遠能夠具有持續性的進展跟優勢我想稅如果有稅的幫忙當然是一個非常正面的因素\n616064\t634737\t那我想就是再有一個議題跨境的ETF這一個在東京掛牌在這個第三季的一個掛牌到目前為止我們看起來成績是不怎麼樣那不怎麼樣我不知道主委你有沒有去看到這一個問題\n636035\t659402\t我想今天剛好交一首董事長這邊他可以跟委員快速的報告一下現在的狀況董事長是不是快速的報告一下跟委員報告那事實上我們掛了兩隻在東政所這兩隻跨進了ETF在一個月 九月到現在一個月內一隻成長它的AUM它的那個Found Size成長五倍另外一隻成長三倍也就在一個月內\n660222\t670458\t他真的成長一個五倍跟一個三倍所以而且東正所也為了我們這兩支呢他也做了很多網路的宣傳包括連結或這樣所以他們短時間內東正所也對我們非常的支持\n674244\t702660\t我想台灣的科技台灣的科技是一個很亮眼的一個指標那問題就是說這一個管理上是不是在資產管理上是不是有辦法透明這個是應該是吸引投資者非常重要的一個原因那我是要那個拜託大家就是說我們希望就是這個跨境跨境那個ETF我們尤其是在日本這個我們應該是因為在地緣上那個我們可以做得更好\n703761\t711675\t給大家加油是 這也是我們努力的方向好 謝謝 謝謝委員謝謝賴委員接下來我們請林思明召委\n","txt":"我們請彭主委主委早安主委我想這個資本市場的引擎還有國家競爭力的一個象徵就是來自於經濟我們國家的一個經濟其實就是很明確的就是表現出來就是國家的競爭力那我針對的最新的這個議題就是\n新光人壽在T17跟T18的地上全案就是有沒有做到軍管會有沒有做到這個保護權益跟監管的一個責任剛才我聽到就是主委你跟賴思寶委員在對談的過程當中也針對相同的一個議題你特別有提醒到就是說工具不足\n無法可管 也不是 因為我們不同的職長有不同的職長 並不是只有經管會是 我們還有很多其他單位那必須要是跨部會的一個監管共同的來解決這一個問題\n那這個新興病是經過金管會核定的一個併購案好那我現在就是也一樣再回到就是賴斯堡委員的一個議題就是說合併後的一個存續公司那到底目前在華麗的主體是誰\n其實按照他們在7月送過來的計劃書因為他們大概在7月下旬就已經把合併的申請送到保險局現在正在審查 補件審查中那他們是 剛剛我也報告過了他們在計劃書所呈送的是存續公司是台新人壽小米公司新光人壽合併以後更名為新光人壽\n是 可是之前的星光人壽已經不存在了法律上面它在合併的時候它是被指定就是一個消滅但是實際上它所有的實體都還是在未來這合併的實體裡面好 那主委我請教你星光人壽的一個保護他們所有的保障是還存在完全不改變這是我們金融機構合併法裡面非常清楚明定\n是完全不改變對 完全起碼我們就是已經保障了星光人獸的所有保護的一個權利這個過去合併案已經有很多很多已經有幾十年就是應該金融機構合併法從八到九年通過以後一直都是這樣\n那到目前為止因為昨天李士川副市長他開了一個記者會他說今天就會終止跟星光人壽的一個合併\n那個合併同意那個解決這個狀況那如果就是說他們今天透過這樣的一個公開的一個程序的話那你認為台北市政府可以這樣的一個認定嗎站在金管會的立場上\n我想剛才有委員詢問到我也是看這個新聞看到他們開了記者會他不是開了記者會說今天會發文給星光人獸提議怎麼樣來進行合議解約我想這是我剛才說過這個問題是他們跟星光人獸之間的\n這個地上權的合約的爭議他們就按照合約上去解決這部分我想大概就是這個那金管會這邊所在意的就是說星光他針對T17 T18是一個不動產的投資案我們就按照我們不動產的相關規範來管理這件事情有沒有慢如果就是地上權的這個開花那星光人壽有沒有慢了那金管會有沒有失職\n其實我剛才跟委員報告就是說我們的辦法裡面規定因為它的地上權就是我們是按照明確以樹地來做管理就是一塊土地來做管理那土地的開發我們因為保險法已經明確講就是說所有的不動產必須要及時利用且有收益但是對於既有的不動產比如說商辦或是大樓這些應該立刻要產生收益我們有一定的規定比如說一定期間之內你就必須要有收益否則的話我們會處罰或限期叫他改善\n土地的部分是五年的時間我剛才有看到了你特別的這個回答其他的委員有特別講了很清楚就是說他還要透過都審所以他的計算方式並不是說合約開始簽訂了以後的五年是他透過了都審通過了以後的第一年開始這樣子算就是都審的時間不算那其他就是我們的五年\n就是按照我們所謂的即時利用且有所謂對土地的管理的部分其實主委我們比較擔心的就是說新光人壽的一個公司的權益如果在沒有受損然後保護的權益也是被保存下來的時候那新壽是不是有背信的這一個問題新壽有沒有背信的問題我想這個可能是我在這裡要拜託就是我們金管會要密切的去注意這樣的一個問題\n是當然比如說我剛才講我們在意的是公司比如說公司治理的程序是否符合我們內供內機相關公司治理的規範以及不動產投資是不是符合我們相關的內容那至於說他們契約上面的爭議其實很多人就把這兩個混在一起其實這兩個是\n不只金管會可以管我想財政部還有經濟部還有其他跨部會其實都可以一起來參與中央都可以來參與監督也來協助這個案子當然有助於產業發展爭取外資投資這都是一致的\n主委接著金融開放來跟你探討亞洲金融那個管理中心就是高雄的金融專區我們知道在7月1日正式的一個啟動那這個啟動的過程當中其實金融的開放我想不是只有市場的一個議題也是國土均衡的一個策略上的一個工具所以說擺在高雄其實上一次我有跟你請教過是不是\n這一個專區其實在每一個縣市都有機會就是變成一個金融專區是不是這樣子的一個就是我們是不是以這樣子的一個鋪陳呢是的 我想我在很多地方講過就是我們是參考日本的金融專區的設立像日本就四個城市他們這樣當然我們剛才講的主要是比如說我們各個地方政府願意提供什麼樣的誘因來吸引或是發展它的特色我們在金管業這邊一定全力來支持\n是 所以就是說不是只有一個高雄專區它也有機會變成一個台南的專區那金管會都會全力的一個支持好 那從高雄專區的一個吸引力是不是比照新加坡那是不是比照新加坡我想法治的一個穩定這個應該是沒有問題好 稅務的一個優惠那如果是新加坡的稅務的優惠的話它其實如果我們看那個資料\n如果你有投資就是超過台幣267億你就可以免稅優惠稅到5%到10%那這一個我們高雄專區有沒有這樣子的一個稅務的優惠呢\n我們的稅是屬於中央的權限就是稅法上面的規定地方的話我們就看像比如說以日本為例他們有些地方有課地方稅他們地方就可以決定來做這件事情我想這個稅的部分我們相較於比如新加坡確實在這一塊我們的是比較沒有那麼的突出像新加坡很明顯他比如說針對你外國投資的部分他對他的企業的所得稅\n那還有就是比如說他們主委沒有那麼突出是表示沒有是不是那如果你沒有辦法就是優惠在這個稅率上優惠的話你怎麼吸引這個就是比較多的一個這個產業願意把錢放在這個專區裡頭呢當然是我想這是一個稅的話我在很多地方也說過稅當然是一個很好的武器或者很好的工具但是我們也看到如果說一定要有稅才能做的話我們\n在台湾要争取税是比较那金管会有没有试着跟就是说财政部还是说高雄市政府去做这个税的一个沟通这个绝对是我们沟通的重点优惠的一个沟通有没有当然有有 还是行不通当然各个部会在做这些考虑的时候他可以不可以让一些出来你如果不让的话事实上我们怎么就是说\n追求更多的一個投資者願意把錢換到這一個專區裡頭來你一定要有一個誘因這個誘因應該是我們大家要努力的是…我想委員講得我非常的贊成第一個當然比如說我們也看世界上很多的金融中心它並沒有稅 它也做得很好我們也不能說沒有稅我們就不做\n像比如說紐約倫敦他們也沒有稅但是他一樣是很多的他有他的條件他有他的條件因為他整個投資的一個這個集中就在那個地方那我們現在要新創我們必須要有更多的一個誘因\n那譬如說你的高資產客戶要跟那個國際有一個競爭力你就是要把這一個他的一個行政程序你要把它縮短變成是一戶式的你不能讓他在這個整個開戶整個就是說在使用上他就變非常的一個冗長那顯然稅務的優惠是沒有啦對 稅務優惠我們是比較相對的比較缺乏但是比如說法制穩定彈性兼領我們可以來努力對不對這部分\n特別是在金融監理的我覺得法制跟監理的彈性這個對你來講都不是問題都是稅務的優惠這一段我想我們應該要再更努力所以我也期待有所突破因為這部分確實假設我們要長遠能夠具有持續性的進展跟優勢我想稅如果有稅的幫忙當然是一個非常正面的因素\n那我想就是再有一個議題跨境的ETF這一個在東京掛牌在這個第三季的一個掛牌到目前為止我們看起來成績是不怎麼樣那不怎麼樣我不知道主委你有沒有去看到這一個問題\n我想今天剛好交一首董事長這邊他可以跟委員快速的報告一下現在的狀況董事長是不是快速的報告一下跟委員報告那事實上我們掛了兩隻在東政所這兩隻跨進了ETF在一個月 九月到現在一個月內一隻成長它的AUM它的那個Found Size成長五倍另外一隻成長三倍也就在一個月內\n他真的成長一個五倍跟一個三倍所以而且東正所也為了我們這兩支呢他也做了很多網路的宣傳包括連結或這樣所以他們短時間內東正所也對我們非常的支持\n我想台灣的科技台灣的科技是一個很亮眼的一個指標那問題就是說這一個管理上是不是在資產管理上是不是有辦法透明這個是應該是吸引投資者非常重要的一個原因那我是要那個拜託大家就是說我們希望就是這個跨境跨境那個ETF我們尤其是在日本這個我們應該是因為在地緣上那個我們可以做得更好\n給大家加油是 這也是我們努力的方向好 謝謝 謝謝委員謝謝賴委員接下來我們請林思明召委\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.569 --> 00:24.587\n我們請彭主委主委早安主委我想這個資本市場的引擎還有國家競爭力的一個象徵就是來自於經濟我們國家的一個經濟其實就是很明確的就是表現出來就是國家的競爭力那我針對的最新的這個議題就是\n\n00:29.909 --> 00:51.676\n新光人壽在T17跟T18的地上全案就是有沒有做到軍管會有沒有做到這個保護權益跟監管的一個責任剛才我聽到就是主委你跟賴思寶委員在對談的過程當中也針對相同的一個議題你特別有提醒到就是說工具不足\n\n00:52.509 --> 01:05.942\n無法可管也不是因為我們不同的職長有不同的職長並不是只有經管會是我們還有很多其他單位那必須要是跨部會的一個監管共同的來解決這一個問題\n\n01:07.751 --> 01:25.050\n那這個新興病是經過金管會核定的一個併購案好那我現在就是也一樣再回到就是賴斯堡委員的一個議題就是說合併後的一個存續公司那到底目前在華麗的主體是誰\n\n01:26.144 --> 01:48.317\n其實按照他們在7月送過來的計劃書因為他們大概在7月下旬就已經把合併的申請送到保險局現在正在審查補件審查中那他們是剛剛我也報告過了他們在計劃書所呈送的是存續公司是台新人壽小米公司新光人壽合併以後更名為新光人壽\n\n01:48.999 --> 02:10.569\n是可是之前的星光人壽已經不存在了法律上面它在合併的時候它是被指定就是一個消滅但是實際上它所有的實體都還是在未來這合併的實體裡面好那主委我請教你星光人壽的一個保護他們所有的保障是還存在完全不改變這是我們金融機構合併法裡面非常清楚明定\n\n02:11.209 --> 02:26.184\n是完全不改變對完全起碼我們就是已經保障了星光人獸的所有保護的一個權利這個過去合併案已經有很多很多已經有幾十年就是應該金融機構合併法從八到九年通過以後一直都是這樣\n\n02:26.624 --> 02:39.455\n那到目前為止因為昨天李士川副市長他開了一個記者會他說今天就會終止跟星光人壽的一個合併\n\n02:42.617 --> 02:58.422\n那個合併同意那個解決這個狀況那如果就是說他們今天透過這樣的一個公開的一個程序的話那你認為台北市政府可以這樣的一個認定嗎站在金管會的立場上\n\n02:59.059 --> 03:16.956\n我想剛才有委員詢問到我也是看這個新聞看到他們開了記者會他不是開了記者會說今天會發文給星光人獸提議怎麼樣來進行合議解約我想這是我剛才說過這個問題是他們跟星光人獸之間的\n\n03:18.417 --> 03:43.056\n這個地上權的合約的爭議他們就按照合約上去解決這部分我想大概就是這個那金管會這邊所在意的就是說星光他針對T17T18是一個不動產的投資案我們就按照我們不動產的相關規範來管理這件事情有沒有慢如果就是地上權的這個開花那星光人壽有沒有慢了那金管會有沒有失職\n\n03:44.011 --> 04:12.663\n其實我剛才跟委員報告就是說我們的辦法裡面規定因為它的地上權就是我們是按照明確以樹地來做管理就是一塊土地來做管理那土地的開發我們因為保險法已經明確講就是說所有的不動產必須要及時利用且有收益但是對於既有的不動產比如說商辦或是大樓這些應該立刻要產生收益我們有一定的規定比如說一定期間之內你就必須要有收益否則的話我們會處罰或限期叫他改善\n\n04:13.323 --> 04:36.372\n土地的部分是五年的時間我剛才有看到了你特別的這個回答其他的委員有特別講了很清楚就是說他還要透過都審所以他的計算方式並不是說合約開始簽訂了以後的五年是他透過了都審通過了以後的第一年開始這樣子算就是都審的時間不算那其他就是我們的五年\n\n04:37.392 --> 05:04.432\n就是按照我們所謂的即時利用且有所謂對土地的管理的部分其實主委我們比較擔心的就是說新光人壽的一個公司的權益如果在沒有受損然後保護的權益也是被保存下來的時候那新壽是不是有背信的這一個問題新壽有沒有背信的問題我想這個可能是我在這裡要拜託就是我們金管會要密切的去注意這樣的一個問題\n\n05:05.362 --> 05:21.781\n是當然比如說我剛才講我們在意的是公司比如說公司治理的程序是否符合我們內供內機相關公司治理的規範以及不動產投資是不是符合我們相關的內容那至於說他們契約上面的爭議其實很多人就把這兩個混在一起其實這兩個是\n\n05:24.763 --> 05:41.050\n不只金管會可以管我想財政部還有經濟部還有其他跨部會其實都可以一起來參與中央都可以來參與監督也來協助這個案子當然有助於產業發展爭取外資投資這都是一致的\n\n05:42.438 --> 06:07.823\n主委接著金融開放來跟你探討亞洲金融那個管理中心就是高雄的金融專區我們知道在7月1日正式的一個啟動那這個啟動的過程當中其實金融的開放我想不是只有市場的一個議題也是國土均衡的一個策略上的一個工具所以說擺在高雄其實上一次我有跟你請教過是不是\n\n06:08.563 --> 06:36.369\n這一個專區其實在每一個縣市都有機會就是變成一個金融專區是不是這樣子的一個就是我們是不是以這樣子的一個鋪陳呢是的我想我在很多地方講過就是我們是參考日本的金融專區的設立像日本就四個城市他們這樣當然我們剛才講的主要是比如說我們各個地方政府願意提供什麼樣的誘因來吸引或是發展它的特色我們在金管業這邊一定全力來支持\n\n06:36.914 --> 07:05.711\n是所以就是說不是只有一個高雄專區它也有機會變成一個台南的專區那金管會都會全力的一個支持好那從高雄專區的一個吸引力是不是比照新加坡那是不是比照新加坡我想法治的一個穩定這個應該是沒有問題好稅務的一個優惠那如果是新加坡的稅務的優惠的話它其實如果我們看那個資料\n\n07:06.551 --> 07:11.616\n如果你有投資就是超過台幣267億你就可以免稅優惠稅到5%到10%那這一個我們高雄專區有沒有這樣子的一個稅務的優惠呢\n\n07:23.959 --> 07:51.078\n我們的稅是屬於中央的權限就是稅法上面的規定地方的話我們就看像比如說以日本為例他們有些地方有課地方稅他們地方就可以決定來做這件事情我想這個稅的部分我們相較於比如新加坡確實在這一塊我們的是比較沒有那麼的突出像新加坡很明顯他比如說針對你外國投資的部分他對他的企業的所得稅\n\n07:52.399 --> 08:19.611\n那還有就是比如說他們主委沒有那麼突出是表示沒有是不是那如果你沒有辦法就是優惠在這個稅率上優惠的話你怎麼吸引這個就是比較多的一個這個產業願意把錢放在這個專區裡頭呢當然是我想這是一個稅的話我在很多地方也說過稅當然是一個很好的武器或者很好的工具但是我們也看到如果說一定要有稅才能做的話我們\n\n08:20.771 --> 08:42.038\n在台湾要争取税是比较那金管会有没有试着跟就是说财政部还是说高雄市政府去做这个税的一个沟通这个绝对是我们沟通的重点优惠的一个沟通有没有当然有有还是行不通当然各个部会在做这些考虑的时候他可以不可以让一些出来你如果不让的话事实上我们怎么就是说\n\n08:43.118 --> 09:04.900\n追求更多的一個投資者願意把錢換到這一個專區裡頭來你一定要有一個誘因這個誘因應該是我們大家要努力的是…我想委員講得我非常的贊成第一個當然比如說我們也看世界上很多的金融中心它並沒有稅它也做得很好我們也不能說沒有稅我們就不做\n\n09:05.701 --> 09:20.548\n像比如說紐約倫敦他們也沒有稅但是他一樣是很多的他有他的條件他有他的條件因為他整個投資的一個這個集中就在那個地方那我們現在要新創我們必須要有更多的一個誘因\n\n09:21.568 --> 09:49.282\n那譬如說你的高資產客戶要跟那個國際有一個競爭力你就是要把這一個他的一個行政程序你要把它縮短變成是一戶式的你不能讓他在這個整個開戶整個就是說在使用上他就變非常的一個冗長那顯然稅務的優惠是沒有啦對稅務優惠我們是比較相對的比較缺乏但是比如說法制穩定彈性兼領我們可以來努力對不對這部分\n\n09:50.823 --> 10:15.323\n特別是在金融監理的我覺得法制跟監理的彈性這個對你來講都不是問題都是稅務的優惠這一段我想我們應該要再更努力所以我也期待有所突破因為這部分確實假設我們要長遠能夠具有持續性的進展跟優勢我想稅如果有稅的幫忙當然是一個非常正面的因素\n\n10:16.064 --> 10:34.737\n那我想就是再有一個議題跨境的ETF這一個在東京掛牌在這個第三季的一個掛牌到目前為止我們看起來成績是不怎麼樣那不怎麼樣我不知道主委你有沒有去看到這一個問題\n\n10:36.035 --> 10:59.402\n我想今天剛好交一首董事長這邊他可以跟委員快速的報告一下現在的狀況董事長是不是快速的報告一下跟委員報告那事實上我們掛了兩隻在東政所這兩隻跨進了ETF在一個月九月到現在一個月內一隻成長它的AUM它的那個FoundSize成長五倍另外一隻成長三倍也就在一個月內\n\n11:00.222 --> 11:10.458\n他真的成長一個五倍跟一個三倍所以而且東正所也為了我們這兩支呢他也做了很多網路的宣傳包括連結或這樣所以他們短時間內東正所也對我們非常的支持\n\n11:14.244 --> 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那主委我請教你星光人壽的一個保護他們所有的保障是還存在完全不改變這是我們金融機構合併法裡面非常清楚明定"},{"start":131.209,"end":146.184,"text":"是完全不改變對 完全起碼我們就是已經保障了星光人獸的所有保護的一個權利這個過去合併案已經有很多很多已經有幾十年就是應該金融機構合併法從八到九年通過以後一直都是這樣"},{"start":146.624,"end":159.455,"text":"那到目前為止因為昨天李士川副市長他開了一個記者會他說今天就會終止跟星光人壽的一個合併"},{"start":162.617,"end":178.422,"text":"那個合併同意那個解決這個狀況那如果就是說他們今天透過這樣的一個公開的一個程序的話那你認為台北市政府可以這樣的一個認定嗎站在金管會的立場上"},{"start":179.059,"end":196.956,"text":"我想剛才有委員詢問到我也是看這個新聞看到他們開了記者會他不是開了記者會說今天會發文給星光人獸提議怎麼樣來進行合議解約我想這是我剛才說過這個問題是他們跟星光人獸之間的"},{"start":198.417,"end":223.056,"text":"這個地上權的合約的爭議他們就按照合約上去解決這部分我想大概就是這個那金管會這邊所在意的就是說星光他針對T17 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我想我在很多地方講過就是我們是參考日本的金融專區的設立像日本就四個城市他們這樣當然我們剛才講的主要是比如說我們各個地方政府願意提供什麼樣的誘因來吸引或是發展它的特色我們在金管業這邊一定全力來支持"},{"start":396.914,"end":425.711,"text":"是 所以就是說不是只有一個高雄專區它也有機會變成一個台南的專區那金管會都會全力的一個支持好 那從高雄專區的一個吸引力是不是比照新加坡那是不是比照新加坡我想法治的一個穩定這個應該是沒有問題好 稅務的一個優惠那如果是新加坡的稅務的優惠的話它其實如果我們看那個資料"},{"start":426.551,"end":431.616,"text":"如果你有投資就是超過台幣267億你就可以免稅優惠稅到5%到10%那這一個我們高雄專區有沒有這樣子的一個稅務的優惠呢"},{"start":443.959,"end":471.078,"text":"我們的稅是屬於中央的權限就是稅法上面的規定地方的話我們就看像比如說以日本為例他們有些地方有課地方稅他們地方就可以決定來做這件事情我想這個稅的部分我們相較於比如新加坡確實在這一塊我們的是比較沒有那麼的突出像新加坡很明顯他比如說針對你外國投資的部分他對他的企業的所得稅"},{"start":472.399,"end":499.611,"text":"那還有就是比如說他們主委沒有那麼突出是表示沒有是不是那如果你沒有辦法就是優惠在這個稅率上優惠的話你怎麼吸引這個就是比較多的一個這個產業願意把錢放在這個專區裡頭呢當然是我想這是一個稅的話我在很多地方也說過稅當然是一個很好的武器或者很好的工具但是我們也看到如果說一定要有稅才能做的話我們"},{"start":500.771,"end":522.038,"text":"在台湾要争取税是比较那金管会有没有试着跟就是说财政部还是说高雄市政府去做这个税的一个沟通这个绝对是我们沟通的重点优惠的一个沟通有没有当然有有 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