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00:01:40,758\n這樣子慘痛的經驗能夠讓我們好好的來討論讓未來更好本期要看到這一次的風災好雨不只是網路方面很多的媒體都明白的提出也告訴我們有很多許多的不足的地方那所以我也希望政府要好好的接受這樣子的一個\n\n5\n00:01:41,619 --> 00:02:07,525\n指教那同時不要只有諱莫如生那我希望的應該是虛心接受才能夠真正的改進所以本席首先要請教救災的基層人員非常非常的辛苦我們一定要全力的來支持這些基層工作人員不管他是加班搶休等等但是本席說了災前的預估人力\n\n6\n00:02:08,405 --> 00:02:32,753\n以及災後實際人力的一個配備到底我們怎麼做我們怎麼做這個就是應該是主管應該做好的而沒有做好而沒有做好所以本席在這邊要請教未來因應災害以及分區緊急應變能量是否足夠我們檢討的結果要怎麼樣改進請做說明\n\n7\n00:02:35,531 --> 00:02:59,811\n經濟部主管的部分主要還是盡量的趕快電的部分趕快搶修完畢還有水的部分盡量趕快供那這個也就是基層同仁包括台水公司跟台電公司他們第一時間當這個停電的時候他們就出動那我們也預估也從其他的部分調派很多的這些工作人員來共同進了災區來做一些協助\n\n8\n00:03:00,356 --> 00:03:23,225\n那主要搶修的部分就是主要是水跟電的部分就進一步來說答案給民眾的也就網路媒體所批評的我們是還有很多不足的地方所以如果依照你目前的回答你根本沒有檢討跟進進方案的本性我希望你要注意聽也要好好的回答我們\n\n9\n00:03:24,265 --> 00:03:47,712\n希望在基層的第一線非常的辛苦我們要怎麼樣讓他們能夠得到最好的後援而且你在整個系統裡頭分布的人力配比要能夠夠就誠如你剛剛所說的我們希望在有重大災害的時候你應該建立跨部會的即時災情報告系統\n\n10\n00:03:48,732 --> 00:04:08,710\n那麼建立一正式的聯繫窗口民眾才不會吹沒人啊他才不會不知道立即即時的一個訊息資源也才不會不知道跑到哪裡去不管在電力抽水政府不能無頭蒼蠅式的你應該要有救災的SOP流程提升\n\n11\n00:04:09,511 --> 00:04:34,583\n你的整個協調的能力所以本席要請教針對於中央部會在資訊的一個整合跟這一次就在應急不及的時候你們到現在為止你的進行方案是什麼報告委員因為災害發生的時候本來中央就有應變中心那當然是在台北但是我們在台南有設立了前進組委會部長請你針對本席的回答\n\n12\n00:04:35,203 --> 00:04:52,686\n本來就在台北本席告訴你我們碰到重大的災難的時候你們要怎樣去調整你的腳步請你書面資料給本席那針對於我們的店的部分呢這是非常的重要因為影響到醫療民生\n\n13\n00:04:53,427 --> 00:05:22,532\n还有我们的整个安养机构这些都这一次受到很大的冲击在这样影响之下我大概看到你们的报告微型电网的系统那么本席也了解一下根据你台电的资料需要告诉我们微型电网呢微电网简单来说它就是一个区域性的概念它要将整个的电网来结合它的发电它的除电它的能源管控跟它的控电设备的系统是的\n\n14\n00:05:23,012 --> 00:05:48,816\n就等於是一個小型的發電的一個整合中心那麼同時我們也看到就是說一旦停電那必須微電網進入它自主供電這時候微電網的網路就如同是一般是一個微型的供電系統它可以自給自足供電將近72小時提供整個區內的用電的負載量那請問你們的計畫是如此嗎請做說明\n\n15\n00:05:52,137 --> 00:06:18,235\n是的原則上是的那我們會先因為經費實在有限我們先選大概九個地方示範區域九個區域來示範你們也請各縣市去做盤點那本席要告訴你我台中有很多的偏遠地區一旦停電他沒有辦法立即來達到救援這些都是非常需要所以我的台中的像本席所說的這樣的狀態有沒有在你們的範圍\n\n16\n00:06:21,817 --> 00:06:23,678\n台中必須要建構進來讓一些偏遠的沒有辦法及時救援到的都必須要做是不是如此\n\n17\n00:06:39,082 --> 00:07:05,145\n那你們現在九個區塊在哪裡因為我們跟地方要合作的時候也要看它緊急的收容中心在哪裡那那邊有沒有你們現在預估的九個區塊在哪裡請針對本席的問題提問還在持續增加目前來講談好是九個但是還會持續增加九個區塊是什麼舉例你談好了你告訴本席嘛應該是比如說像這一次災害比較嚴重的比如說嘉義啊\n\n18\n00:07:06,187 --> 00:07:28,933\n或哪裡台南比較嚴重的地方但是我們也同意就是說如果有同意台中必須要有這樣的一個建構我也請你們相關單位一定要妥善因為這個對民眾民生來講是很重要的所以本席接下來要請教農業部跟部長在這裡最後一個議題\n\n19\n00:07:30,333 --> 00:07:46,775\n在台美談判的部分我們也看到部長您到了美國去採購但是我們要請問對於美豬產地的來源以及來機的檢驗方式都是被美國視為是貿易障礙那你會讓步嗎請教部長\n\n20\n00:07:49,845 --> 00:08:12,338\n我跟委員報告就是兩件事情就是我們去美國採購的東西都是台灣飼料生產所需的就是黃豆玉米小愛本集清楚所以請教好那相對的針對未來談判因為在持續進行那我們一定是確保糧食安全然後產業的永續發展跟我們確保我們農民的權益這三個前提之下我們持續在談判\n\n21\n00:08:13,218 --> 00:08:38,607\n談判那豬的部分像您這邊寫的豬的部分牛的部分我們相關的進口我們現在是符合現在的一個檢測的一個規範在執行美豬產地的來源來機的檢驗方式美方認為是貿易障礙這個絕對不能讓步本席告訴你第二個美牛的進口你會進一步開放甚至全面開放嗎我方的立場\n\n22\n00:08:39,434 --> 00:08:54,721\n我想我們現在目前整個談判還在進行但是我們針對確保糧食安全的部分我們一定會就是因為談判還在進行所以本席告訴你一定不能讓步然後我們的稻米跟雞肉你會零關稅嗎\n\n23\n00:08:58,015 --> 00:09:20,850\n因為你只有告訴我們你會保障我們國內的產業但是如果零關稅一定會衝擊到所以我們一定要告訴政府要怎麼樣真正的保障我們的食安跟我們的本土的一個國產我跟委員報告道明是我們糧食安全非常重要的一個品項好就是因為非常重要所以一定要保障\n\n24\n00:09:24,647 --> 00:09:36,132\n針對我們的食安跟我們的國產絕對要得到最大的一個保障這是我們基本立場對不對了解好謝謝謝謝楊卓英委員的資訊謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8054\t12256\t謝謝主席 楊俊凡議員 邀請部長哪位部長經濟部長經濟部長 謝謝兩位好\n21431\t48330\t部長好本席一再強調提升災後韌性它不能只是說而不做那麼進度我們應該要好好的來討論來精進那這一次你們所提出的這個專報呢引起了可以說是這一次的天災讓全民很憂心那也包括了政府的動作慢半拍民眾的屋頂遭毀損\n49851\t76240\t斷卵 斷電 這些呢救援要等很久所以可以說是我們要改進的地方還很多本期在之前發生的時候就跟院長也跟您討論過也提醒過我們必須要好好的努力來精進來檢討而不是只有用嘴巴喊而不是用文宣去宣它就能夠提升所以我們希望\n77340\t100758\t這樣子慘痛的經驗能夠讓我們好好的來討論讓未來更好本期要看到這一次的風災好雨不只是網路方面很多的媒體都明白的提出也告訴我們有很多許多的不足的地方那所以我也希望政府要好好的接受這樣子的一個\n101619\t127525\t指教那同時不要只有諱莫如生那我希望的應該是虛心接受才能夠真正的改進所以本席首先要請教救災的基層人員非常非常的辛苦我們一定要全力的來支持這些基層工作人員不管他是加班搶休等等但是本席說了災前的預估人力\n128405\t152753\t以及災後實際人力的一個配備到底我們怎麼做我們怎麼做這個就是應該是主管應該做好的而沒有做好而沒有做好所以本席在這邊要請教未來因應災害以及分區緊急應變能量是否足夠我們檢討的結果要怎麼樣改進請做說明\n155531\t179811\t經濟部主管的部分主要還是盡量的趕快電的部分趕快搶修完畢還有水的部分盡量趕快供那這個也就是基層同仁包括台水公司跟台電公司他們第一時間當這個停電的時候他們就出動那我們也預估也從其他的部分調派很多的這些工作人員來共同進了災區來做一些協助\n180356\t203225\t那主要搶修的部分就是主要是水跟電的部分就進一步來說 答案給民眾的也就網路媒體所批評的我們是還有很多不足的地方所以如果依照你目前的回答你根本沒有檢討跟進進方案的本性我希望你要注意聽也要好好的回答我們\n204265\t227712\t希望在基層的第一線非常的辛苦我們要怎麼樣讓他們能夠得到最好的後援而且你在整個系統裡頭分布的人力配比要能夠夠就誠如你剛剛所說的我們希望在有重大災害的時候你應該建立跨部會的即時災情報告系統\n228732\t248710\t那麼建立一正式的聯繫窗口民眾才不會吹沒人啊他才不會不知道立即即時的一個訊息資源也才不會不知道跑到哪裡去不管在電力 抽水政府不能無頭蒼蠅式的你應該要有救災的SOP流程提升\n249511\t274583\t你的整個協調的能力所以本席要請教 針對於中央部會在資訊的一個整合跟這一次就在應急不及的時候你們到現在為止 你的進行方案是什麼報告委員 因為災害發生的時候本來中央就有應變中心 那當然是在台北但是我們在台南有設立了前進組委會部長 請你針對本席的回答\n275203\t292686\t本來就在台北本席告訴你我們碰到重大的災難的時候你們要怎樣去調整你的腳步請你書面資料給本席那針對於我們的店的部分呢這是非常的重要因為影響到醫療 民生\n293427\t322532\t还有我们的整个安养机构这些都这一次受到很大的冲击在这样影响之下我大概看到你们的报告微型电网的系统那么本席也了解一下根据你台电的资料需要告诉我们微型电网呢微电网简单来说它就是一个区域性的概念它要将整个的电网来结合它的发电它的除电它的能源管控跟它的控电设备的系统是的\n323012\t348816\t就等於是一個小型的發電的一個整合中心那麼同時我們也看到就是說一旦停電那必須微電網進入它自主供電這時候微電網的網路就如同是一般是一個微型的供電系統它可以自給自足供電將近72小時提供整個區內的用電的負載量那請問你們的計畫是如此嗎請做說明\n352137\t378235\t是的原則上是的那我們會先因為經費實在有限我們先選大概九個地方示範區域九個區域來示範你們也請各縣市去做盤點那本席要告訴你我台中有很多的偏遠地區一旦停電他沒有辦法立即來達到救援這些都是非常需要所以我的台中的像本席所說的這樣的狀態有沒有在你們的範圍\n381817\t383678\t台中必須要建構進來讓一些偏遠的沒有辦法及時救援到的都必須要做 是不是如此\n399082\t425145\t那你們現在九個區塊在哪裡因為我們跟地方要合作的時候也要看它緊急的收容中心在哪裡那那邊有沒有你們現在預估的九個區塊在哪裡請針對本席的問題提問還在持續增加目前來講談好是九個但是還會持續增加九個區塊是什麼舉例你談好了你告訴本席嘛應該是比如說像這一次災害比較嚴重的比如說嘉義啊\n426187\t448933\t或哪裡台南比較嚴重的地方但是我們也同意就是說如果有同意台中必須要有這樣的一個建構我也請你們相關單位一定要妥善因為這個對民眾民生來講是很重要的所以本席接下來要請教農業部跟部長在這裡最後一個議題\n450333\t466775\t在台美談判的部分我們也看到部長您到了美國去採購但是我們要請問對於美豬產地的來源以及來機的檢驗方式都是被美國視為是貿易障礙那你會讓步嗎請教部長\n469845\t492338\t我跟委員報告就是兩件事情就是我們去美國採購的東西都是台灣飼料生產所需的就是黃豆 玉米 小愛本集清楚 所以請教好 那相對的針對未來談判因為在持續進行那我們一定是確保糧食安全然後產業的永續發展跟我們確保我們農民的權益這三個前提之下我們持續在談判\n493218\t518607\t談判那豬的部分像您這邊寫的豬的部分牛的部分我們相關的進口我們現在是符合現在的一個檢測的一個規範在執行美豬產地的來源來機的檢驗方式美方認為是貿易障礙這個絕對不能讓步本席告訴你第二個美牛的進口你會進一步開放甚至全面開放嗎我方的立場\n519434\t534721\t我想我們現在目前整個談判還在進行但是我們針對確保糧食安全的部分我們一定會就是因為談判還在進行所以本席告訴你一定不能讓步然後我們的稻米跟雞肉你會零關稅嗎\n538015\t560850\t因為你只有告訴我們你會保障我們國內的產業但是如果零關稅一定會衝擊到所以我們一定要告訴政府要怎麼樣真正的保障我們的食安跟我們的本土的一個國產我跟委員報告道明是我們糧食安全非常重要的一個品項好就是因為非常重要所以一定要保障\n564647\t576132\t針對我們的食安跟我們的國產絕對要得到最大的一個保障這是我們基本立場對不對了解好謝謝謝謝楊卓英委員的資訊 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 楊俊凡議員 邀請部長哪位部長經濟部長經濟部長 謝謝兩位好\n部長好本席一再強調提升災後韌性它不能只是說而不做那麼進度我們應該要好好的來討論來精進那這一次你們所提出的這個專報呢引起了可以說是這一次的天災讓全民很憂心那也包括了政府的動作慢半拍民眾的屋頂遭毀損\n斷卵 斷電 這些呢救援要等很久所以可以說是我們要改進的地方還很多本期在之前發生的時候就跟院長也跟您討論過也提醒過我們必須要好好的努力來精進來檢討而不是只有用嘴巴喊而不是用文宣去宣它就能夠提升所以我們希望\n這樣子慘痛的經驗能夠讓我們好好的來討論讓未來更好本期要看到這一次的風災好雨不只是網路方面很多的媒體都明白的提出也告訴我們有很多許多的不足的地方那所以我也希望政府要好好的接受這樣子的一個\n指教那同時不要只有諱莫如生那我希望的應該是虛心接受才能夠真正的改進所以本席首先要請教救災的基層人員非常非常的辛苦我們一定要全力的來支持這些基層工作人員不管他是加班搶休等等但是本席說了災前的預估人力\n以及災後實際人力的一個配備到底我們怎麼做我們怎麼做這個就是應該是主管應該做好的而沒有做好而沒有做好所以本席在這邊要請教未來因應災害以及分區緊急應變能量是否足夠我們檢討的結果要怎麼樣改進請做說明\n經濟部主管的部分主要還是盡量的趕快電的部分趕快搶修完畢還有水的部分盡量趕快供那這個也就是基層同仁包括台水公司跟台電公司他們第一時間當這個停電的時候他們就出動那我們也預估也從其他的部分調派很多的這些工作人員來共同進了災區來做一些協助\n那主要搶修的部分就是主要是水跟電的部分就進一步來說 答案給民眾的也就網路媒體所批評的我們是還有很多不足的地方所以如果依照你目前的回答你根本沒有檢討跟進進方案的本性我希望你要注意聽也要好好的回答我們\n希望在基層的第一線非常的辛苦我們要怎麼樣讓他們能夠得到最好的後援而且你在整個系統裡頭分布的人力配比要能夠夠就誠如你剛剛所說的我們希望在有重大災害的時候你應該建立跨部會的即時災情報告系統\n那麼建立一正式的聯繫窗口民眾才不會吹沒人啊他才不會不知道立即即時的一個訊息資源也才不會不知道跑到哪裡去不管在電力 抽水政府不能無頭蒼蠅式的你應該要有救災的SOP流程提升\n你的整個協調的能力所以本席要請教 針對於中央部會在資訊的一個整合跟這一次就在應急不及的時候你們到現在為止 你的進行方案是什麼報告委員 因為災害發生的時候本來中央就有應變中心 那當然是在台北但是我們在台南有設立了前進組委會部長 請你針對本席的回答\n本來就在台北本席告訴你我們碰到重大的災難的時候你們要怎樣去調整你的腳步請你書面資料給本席那針對於我們的店的部分呢這是非常的重要因為影響到醫療 民生\n还有我们的整个安养机构这些都这一次受到很大的冲击在这样影响之下我大概看到你们的报告微型电网的系统那么本席也了解一下根据你台电的资料需要告诉我们微型电网呢微电网简单来说它就是一个区域性的概念它要将整个的电网来结合它的发电它的除电它的能源管控跟它的控电设备的系统是的\n就等於是一個小型的發電的一個整合中心那麼同時我們也看到就是說一旦停電那必須微電網進入它自主供電這時候微電網的網路就如同是一般是一個微型的供電系統它可以自給自足供電將近72小時提供整個區內的用電的負載量那請問你們的計畫是如此嗎請做說明\n是的原則上是的那我們會先因為經費實在有限我們先選大概九個地方示範區域九個區域來示範你們也請各縣市去做盤點那本席要告訴你我台中有很多的偏遠地區一旦停電他沒有辦法立即來達到救援這些都是非常需要所以我的台中的像本席所說的這樣的狀態有沒有在你們的範圍\n台中必須要建構進來讓一些偏遠的沒有辦法及時救援到的都必須要做 是不是如此\n那你們現在九個區塊在哪裡因為我們跟地方要合作的時候也要看它緊急的收容中心在哪裡那那邊有沒有你們現在預估的九個區塊在哪裡請針對本席的問題提問還在持續增加目前來講談好是九個但是還會持續增加九個區塊是什麼舉例你談好了你告訴本席嘛應該是比如說像這一次災害比較嚴重的比如說嘉義啊\n或哪裡台南比較嚴重的地方但是我們也同意就是說如果有同意台中必須要有這樣的一個建構我也請你們相關單位一定要妥善因為這個對民眾民生來講是很重要的所以本席接下來要請教農業部跟部長在這裡最後一個議題\n在台美談判的部分我們也看到部長您到了美國去採購但是我們要請問對於美豬產地的來源以及來機的檢驗方式都是被美國視為是貿易障礙那你會讓步嗎請教部長\n我跟委員報告就是兩件事情就是我們去美國採購的東西都是台灣飼料生產所需的就是黃豆 玉米 小愛本集清楚 所以請教好 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