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00:00:28,278\n好謝謝召委我先請一下農業部陳部長經濟部龔部長園民會的股仲副主委還有交通部的陳次長我們請我們部長副主委還有次長我也好我先請教一下這個\n\n2\n00:00:30,226 --> 00:00:54,370\n丹納市的颱風還有728的豪雨其實確實對台灣造成了相當多的影響那這個重建條例也通過了那也各地方政府也報上來那我第一個先請教一下這一個廣泛的問題啦因為裡面有包括高雄的案子裡面其實有包括35案是有關於丹納市颱風跟豪雨的那水利設施的也有相關案件包括\n\n3\n00:00:55,070 --> 00:01:22,113\n部落排水啊山坡整偏坡整治跟復建還有道路交通的部分還有家園跟公共設施還有社會復原跟產業促進這總數大概將近有差不多100案左右啦我先示意請教一下那總數加起來可能需要到20億的一個支持啦這個案子也都報到中央來了那我先問一下這些案子的部分都會得到中央的支持嗎還是還有什麼樣的考量的我是不是先請農業部長\n\n4\n00:01:23,354 --> 00:01:51,210\n我跟委員報告一下就是有關於這次災難台風您剛才所提到的這些農水路的部分還有基礎建設的部分我們農業部大概編的76.82億是協助地方政府那我剛才查了一下在高雄市的部分大概相關的部分大概有5億農糧的部分大概有5億的部分可以去協助但是每一個案子是由地方政府報上來我們還是會現刊然後去做一些核定的動作\n\n5\n00:01:52,290 --> 00:02:19,181\n實際的金額可能會有一些調整但大方向上面會支持啦會給予支持就是說因為當時總統也提過從寬從優從速從減的原則嘛一個大原則就是地方政府查報來我們現刊如果說它其實沒那麼嚴重有沒有那可能用比較少的經費我們也是為這個當然啦如果沒那麼嚴重的話那當然就要調整但是如果確實是事實的話也會從速來給予相關的一個補助跟支持\n\n6\n00:02:19,901 --> 00:02:46,501\n那另外有關於那些的山坡地的一些部分跟野溪的整治的部分那個山坡地的部分我們編了其中76.82億裡面25.72億是邊坡防治的部分都是還在裡面所以是邊坡防治農水路那另外還有所謂的漁港的部分那還有養殖的區的這些農水路這個加起來大概76.82億所以這些大方向上都可以支持就看現場的會刊的狀況好謝謝部長\n\n7\n00:02:48,723 --> 00:03:04,060\n那再來龔部長因為分成兩個部分一個大概直接民眾的部分這是一個部分或者是廠商的部分他直接來申請那剛才提到嘛從優從寬從素嘛那另外一個就是包括剛才提到的這些\n\n8\n00:03:05,241 --> 00:03:18,197\n檢疫自來水也好或者是水利設施也好因為那個是根據地方政府我們要跟他合作把這個事情做好所以那個要等地方政府我們再跟他協調所以現在報上來的部分多數上是沒有問題的\n\n9\n00:03:19,759 --> 00:03:41,543\n給予支持啦是那剩下的部分當然有些他陸續在報當中特別是比較原鄉的地區有些自來水部分損害的比較嚴重這個請到時候市府報審的時候也請這個經濟部這邊能夠來專案給予支持啦我們我想這個條例跟這個特別預算也希望給予這些受災的災民都給予更大的一個支持啦好謝謝那再來是不是請下谷中副主委\n\n10\n00:03:43,727 --> 00:04:12,290\n委員好園民會的部分呢那針對部落排水包括部落聯絡道以及橋樑的部分我們大概編列有將近42億那目前我們已經針對地方政府我們開過三次的審查會議那目前已經審查有317件預算是39.3億所以委員關心這個能不能把部落包括部落排水邊坡攤房這些房子能不能納入我們原則上都OK\n\n11\n00:04:12,930 --> 00:04:32,033\n所以這些都有納入了所以從那馬下到桃園到茂林高雄市這三個園鄉的部分都有納入了對我剛剛跟委員報告有317件是包括到屏東台東嘉義阿里山等等那有關於高雄市三個園區的部分我們再提供數字給委員參考那請還是要大力的支持\n\n12\n00:04:32,714 --> 00:04:57,931\n好謝謝那再來是不是交通陳市長交通也是重大的一個影響是不是請市長說一下有關我們公路局省道的部分我們就不提了那個是我們自己會去處理當然也是納在這個條例裡面那至於地方政府所提報的案件裡面高雄市大概有提報了23件那23件經過我們的初審大概都是照數就是同意\n\n13\n00:04:58,431 --> 00:05:16,103\n所以這些都會同意來支持是大概會有1億多的經費報告當時有提到民生橋的部分當時總統跟院長也都承諾了部長也都承諾了這個也希望能夠加速是我們會加速來辦理好謝謝因為總數有高雄也是重災區總數有20億的一個我希望能夠請各部會再加速來協助讓災民能夠早日恢復他的一些狀況\n\n14\n00:05:22,907 --> 00:05:45,785\n那接下來要請教一下其實大概也給各位看一下其實包括桃園的一些農路啦包括這個邊坡的等等還有包括納瑪西亞的一樣提案跟這個道路的部分希望各部會都能夠來加速那因為時間有限在接下來我來請教一下部長這個農業部長陳部長留著就好其他三位請回\n\n15\n00:05:47,502 --> 00:06:11,037\n馬太安溪這個部分其實現在大家還是在紅色警戒狀態嘛那什麼時候可以解除掉我想那個其實在要去降從紅色警戒降級的時候大概有四個前提第一個部分就是它壩體上面的水流它是穩定的去溢流而不會說有更大的一個變化那我先問這個目前這個狀況是可以的嗎\n\n16\n00:06:11,777 --> 00:06:33,386\n以現在的天候看起來它是一個穩定的溢流而且它的湖水現在所累積的那個比之前預估的還少那如果有遇到好大雨或遇到颱風再來的時候呢其實我們更擔心的是地震因為地震的時候很有可能會形成第二個驗測湖所以我們現在是持續的去做監控\n\n17\n00:06:33,686 --> 00:06:46,360\n所以他即使撤掉了紅色警戒還是會保留還是將來還是有可能隨隨密切注意對我們監測是持續在做的那現在是紅色警戒那剛才說降低這個警戒的一個燈號的時候\n\n18\n00:06:48,683 --> 00:07:04,985\n第二個部分就是他下游的這些堤防或者是河道的疏進的功能是完成的然後相關的這些邊坡也然後最重要的是疏散撤離計畫是已經很完成的做一些我問一下那所以前三個都已經完成了嗎\n\n19\n00:07:06,175 --> 00:07:26,733\n前三個大概都現在水利事務都差不多完成現在就是說最後一個疏散撤離計畫這邊縣府這邊要做核定因為之前整個疏散撤離包括保全對象包括疏散的路線包括收容的這些處所那其實在前進協調署的時候那個總協調官他已經有做一些協助的部分\n\n20\n00:07:27,153 --> 00:07:47,458\n那相關的因為整個蘇戰撤離作為是由地方政府擬定跟執行所以就等這個部分的話就可能紅色就可以然後再觀察當時的天候但是其實解除要紅色警戒還是必須要密切注意啦因為包括剛剛部長提到的地震甚至包括如果遇到颱風或好大雨的話還是會有相當的一些像我們說\n\n21\n00:07:48,078 --> 00:08:14,046\n如果雨量超過200毫米的話我們會再度發射紅色警戒那如果地震超過5落的時候我們也會發布這些紅色警戒加細胞廣播還有海嘯廣播那當時的時候有人把這個責任推給部長說當時部長說這是安全的所以當時的狀況下是安全的嘛是嗎我跟委員報告8月13號的時候大家討論的是洋流颱風以當時的水量所以我對外也澄清喔你用8月13號去講現在的情況\n\n22\n00:08:16,707 --> 00:08:45,736\n他本來就是一個不斷動態的因為隨著颱風來隨著好大雨他本來就是一個動態所以我也覺得一方面部長可能要一方面持續澄清另外一方面可能未來也要持續的對外提出更多的一個提醒就是說任何這些狀況因為他都隨著一個動態的一個狀態即使是今天安全也不代表明天就不會有新的狀況發生對絕對是這樣我們的所有的對外的發布都會根據壩底現在的水流量跟壩底的邊坡的穩定性然後提供中下游的居民的一些警戒\n\n23\n00:08:45,776 --> 00:09:06,676\n我最後一個問一下它是一個動態的調整好這隨時動態也要隨時對外說明喔我最後要請教一下霸體跟清淤的部分現在有兩頭不同的方式啦一個是納入到這一次的風災的這個預算跟特別條例來處理啦另外一個是單獨在立那現在其實行政院整體是支持應該是納入到比較有效率比較快部長是這樣吧\n\n24\n00:09:07,116 --> 00:09:29,507\n是我們現在是傾向於就是以農業部的理想我們傾向於用現在的特別預算去做追加的方式可能用丹納斯颱風728不能把這個花蓮這一次的把它一起納進來那增加250億的一個預算那其實來做是最快的啦是因為整個馬太安颱風馬太安的那個災情它不是說就是花架災颱風引起的\n\n25\n00:09:29,847 --> 00:09:51,173\n它其實是從之前的連續性的影響長期累積性的一個問題所以這次的颱風從但那次颱風07080728還有洋雨颱風其實都有陸陸續續的這些影響好我們希望盡快的修正盡快的來把這些預算編列出來然後盡快來協助花蓮能夠盡速的來重建完成讓基民能夠有好的一個生活希望委員支持好一定支持謝謝謝謝賴瑞榮委員的資訊謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n11365\t28278\t好 謝謝召委我先請一下農業部陳部長經濟部龔部長園民會的股仲副主委還有交通部的陳次長我們請我們部長副主委還有次長我也好我先請教一下這個\n30226\t54370\t丹納市的颱風還有728的豪雨 其實確實對台灣造成了相當多的影響那這個重建條例也通過了那也各地方政府也報上來 那我第一個先請教一下這一個廣泛的問題啦 因為裡面有包括高雄的案子裡面其實有包括35案是有關於丹納市颱風跟豪雨的 那水利設施的也有相關案件 包括\n55070\t82113\t部落排水啊 山坡整 偏坡整治跟復建還有道路交通的部分還有家園跟公共設施還有社會復原跟產業促進這總數大概將近有差不多100案左右啦我先示意請教一下那總數加起來可能需要到20億的一個支持啦這個案子也都報到中央來了那我先問一下這些案子的部分都會得到中央的支持嗎還是還有什麼樣的考量的我是不是先請農業部長\n83354\t111210\t我跟委員報告一下就是有關於這次災難台風您剛才所提到的這些農水路的部分還有基礎建設的部分我們農業部大概編的76.82億是協助地方政府那我剛才查了一下在高雄市的部分大概相關的部分大概有5億農糧的部分大概有5億的部分可以去協助但是每一個案子是由地方政府報上來我們還是會現刊然後去做一些核定的動作\n112290\t139181\t實際的金額可能會有一些調整但大方向上面會支持啦會給予支持就是說因為當時總統也提過從寬從優從速從減的原則嘛一個大原則就是地方政府查報來我們現刊如果說它其實沒那麼嚴重有沒有那可能用比較少的經費我們也是為這個當然啦如果沒那麼嚴重的話那當然就要調整但是如果確實是事實的話也會從速來給予相關的一個補助跟支持\n139901\t166501\t那另外有關於那些的山坡地的一些部分跟野溪的整治的部分那個山坡地的部分我們編了其中76.82億裡面25.72億是邊坡防治的部分都是還在裡面所以是邊坡防治農水路那另外還有所謂的漁港的部分那還有養殖的區的這些農水路這個加起來大概76.82億所以這些大方向上都可以支持就看現場的會刊的狀況好 謝謝部長\n168723\t184060\t那再來龔部長因為分成兩個部分一個大概直接民眾的部分這是一個部分或者是廠商的部分他直接來申請那剛才提到嘛從優從寬從素嘛那另外一個就是包括剛才提到的這些\n185241\t198197\t檢疫自來水也好或者是水利設施也好因為那個是根據地方政府我們要跟他合作把這個事情做好所以那個要等地方政府我們再跟他協調所以現在報上來的部分多數上是沒有問題的\n199759\t221543\t給予支持啦是那剩下的部分當然有些他陸續在報當中特別是比較原鄉的地區有些自來水部分損害的比較嚴重這個請到時候市府報審的時候也請這個經濟部這邊能夠來專案給予支持啦我們我想這個條例跟這個特別預算也希望給予這些受災的災民都給予更大的一個支持啦好 謝謝那再來是不是請下谷中副主委\n223727\t252290\t委員好 園民會的部分呢那針對部落排水包括部落聯絡道以及橋樑的部分我們大概編列有將近42億那目前我們已經針對地方政府我們開過三次的審查會議那目前已經審查有317件預算是39.3億所以委員關心這個能不能把部落包括部落排水 邊坡 攤房這些房子能不能納入我們原則上都OK\n252930\t272033\t所以這些都有納入了所以從那馬下到桃園到茂林高雄市這三個園鄉的部分都有納入了對 我剛剛跟委員報告有317件是包括到屏東台東嘉義阿里山等等那有關於高雄市三個園區的部分我們再提供數字給委員參考那請還是要大力的支持\n272714\t297931\t好 謝謝那再來是不是交通 陳市長交通也是重大的一個影響是不是請市長說一下有關我們公路局省道的部分我們就不提了那個是我們自己會去處理當然也是納在這個條例裡面那至於地方政府所提報的案件裡面高雄市大概有提報了23件那23件經過我們的初審大概都是照數就是同意\n298431\t316103\t所以這些都會同意來支持是大概會有1億多的經費報告當時有提到民生橋的部分當時總統跟院長也都承諾了部長也都承諾了這個也希望能夠加速是我們會加速來辦理好謝謝因為總數有高雄也是重災區總數有20億的一個我希望能夠請各部會再加速來協助讓災民能夠早日恢復他的一些狀況\n322907\t345785\t那接下來要請教一下 其實大概也給各位看一下其實包括桃園的一些農路啦 包括這個邊坡的等等還有包括納瑪西亞的一樣提案跟這個道路的部分 希望各部會都能夠來加速那因為時間有限 在接下來我來請教一下部長 這個農業部長 陳部長留著就好 其他三位請回\n347502\t371037\t馬太安溪這個部分其實現在大家還是在紅色警戒狀態嘛那什麼時候可以解除掉我想那個其實在要去降從紅色警戒降級的時候大概有四個前提第一個部分就是它壩體上面的水流它是穩定的去溢流而不會說有更大的一個變化那我先問這個目前這個狀況是可以的嗎\n371777\t393386\t以現在的天候看起來它是一個穩定的溢流而且它的湖水現在所累積的那個比之前預估的還少那如果有遇到好大雨或遇到颱風再來的時候呢其實我們更擔心的是地震因為地震的時候很有可能會形成第二個驗測湖所以我們現在是持續的去做監控\n393686\t406360\t所以他即使撤掉了紅色警戒還是會保留還是將來還是有可能隨隨密切注意對 我們監測是持續在做的那現在是紅色警戒那剛才說降低這個警戒的一個燈號的時候\n408683\t424985\t第二個部分就是他下游的這些堤防或者是河道的疏進的功能是完成的然後相關的這些邊坡也然後最重要的是疏散撤離計畫是已經很完成的做一些我問一下那所以前三個都已經完成了嗎\n426175\t446733\t前三個大概都現在水利事務都差不多完成現在就是說最後一個疏散撤離計畫這邊縣府這邊要做核定因為之前整個疏散撤離包括保全對象包括疏散的路線包括收容的這些處所那其實在前進協調署的時候那個總協調官他已經有做一些協助的部分\n447153\t467458\t那相關的因為整個蘇戰撤離作為是由地方政府擬定跟執行所以就等這個部分的話就可能紅色就可以然後再觀察當時的天候但是其實解除要紅色警戒還是必須要密切注意啦因為包括剛剛部長提到的地震甚至包括如果遇到颱風或好大雨的話還是會有相當的一些像我們說\n468078\t494046\t如果雨量超過200毫米的話我們會再度發射紅色警戒那如果地震超過5落的時候我們也會發布這些紅色警戒加細胞廣播還有海嘯廣播那當時的時候有人把這個責任推給部長說當時部長說這是安全的所以當時的狀況下是安全的嘛 是嗎我跟委員報告8月13號的時候大家討論的是洋流颱風以當時的水量所以我對外也澄清喔你用8月13號去講現在的情況\n496707\t525736\t他本來就是一個不斷動態的因為隨著颱風來隨著好大雨他本來就是一個動態所以我也覺得一方面部長可能要一方面持續澄清另外一方面可能未來也要持續的對外提出更多的一個提醒就是說任何這些狀況因為他都隨著一個動態的一個狀態即使是今天安全也不代表明天就不會有新的狀況發生對 絕對是這樣我們的所有的對外的發布都會根據壩底現在的水流量跟壩底的邊坡的穩定性然後提供中下游的居民的一些警戒\n525776\t546676\t我最後一個問一下它是一個動態的調整好 這隨時動態也要隨時對外說明喔我最後要請教一下霸體跟清淤的部分現在有兩頭不同的方式啦一個是納入到這一次的風災的這個預算跟特別條例來處理啦另外一個是單獨在立那現在其實行政院整體是支持應該是納入到比較有效率比較快部長是這樣吧\n547116\t569507\t是 我們現在是傾向於就是以農業部的理想我們傾向於用現在的特別預算去做追加的方式可能用丹納斯颱風728不能把這個花蓮這一次的把它一起納進來那增加250億的一個預算那其實來做是最快的啦是 因為整個馬太安颱風馬太安的那個災情它不是說就是花架災颱風引起的\n569847\t591173\t它其實是從之前的連續性的影響長期累積性的一個問題所以這次的颱風從但那次颱風0708 0728還有洋雨颱風其實都有陸陸續續的這些影響好 我們希望盡快的修正盡快的來把這些預算編列出來然後盡快來協助花蓮能夠盡速的來重建完成讓基民能夠有好的一個生活希望委員支持好 一定支持謝謝謝謝賴瑞榮委員的資訊 謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝召委我先請一下農業部陳部長經濟部龔部長園民會的股仲副主委還有交通部的陳次長我們請我們部長副主委還有次長我也好我先請教一下這個\n丹納市的颱風還有728的豪雨 其實確實對台灣造成了相當多的影響那這個重建條例也通過了那也各地方政府也報上來 那我第一個先請教一下這一個廣泛的問題啦 因為裡面有包括高雄的案子裡面其實有包括35案是有關於丹納市颱風跟豪雨的 那水利設施的也有相關案件 包括\n部落排水啊 山坡整 偏坡整治跟復建還有道路交通的部分還有家園跟公共設施還有社會復原跟產業促進這總數大概將近有差不多100案左右啦我先示意請教一下那總數加起來可能需要到20億的一個支持啦這個案子也都報到中央來了那我先問一下這些案子的部分都會得到中央的支持嗎還是還有什麼樣的考量的我是不是先請農業部長\n我跟委員報告一下就是有關於這次災難台風您剛才所提到的這些農水路的部分還有基礎建設的部分我們農業部大概編的76.82億是協助地方政府那我剛才查了一下在高雄市的部分大概相關的部分大概有5億農糧的部分大概有5億的部分可以去協助但是每一個案子是由地方政府報上來我們還是會現刊然後去做一些核定的動作\n實際的金額可能會有一些調整但大方向上面會支持啦會給予支持就是說因為當時總統也提過從寬從優從速從減的原則嘛一個大原則就是地方政府查報來我們現刊如果說它其實沒那麼嚴重有沒有那可能用比較少的經費我們也是為這個當然啦如果沒那麼嚴重的話那當然就要調整但是如果確實是事實的話也會從速來給予相關的一個補助跟支持\n那另外有關於那些的山坡地的一些部分跟野溪的整治的部分那個山坡地的部分我們編了其中76.82億裡面25.72億是邊坡防治的部分都是還在裡面所以是邊坡防治農水路那另外還有所謂的漁港的部分那還有養殖的區的這些農水路這個加起來大概76.82億所以這些大方向上都可以支持就看現場的會刊的狀況好 謝謝部長\n那再來龔部長因為分成兩個部分一個大概直接民眾的部分這是一個部分或者是廠商的部分他直接來申請那剛才提到嘛從優從寬從素嘛那另外一個就是包括剛才提到的這些\n檢疫自來水也好或者是水利設施也好因為那個是根據地方政府我們要跟他合作把這個事情做好所以那個要等地方政府我們再跟他協調所以現在報上來的部分多數上是沒有問題的\n給予支持啦是那剩下的部分當然有些他陸續在報當中特別是比較原鄉的地區有些自來水部分損害的比較嚴重這個請到時候市府報審的時候也請這個經濟部這邊能夠來專案給予支持啦我們我想這個條例跟這個特別預算也希望給予這些受災的災民都給予更大的一個支持啦好 謝謝那再來是不是請下谷中副主委\n委員好 園民會的部分呢那針對部落排水包括部落聯絡道以及橋樑的部分我們大概編列有將近42億那目前我們已經針對地方政府我們開過三次的審查會議那目前已經審查有317件預算是39.3億所以委員關心這個能不能把部落包括部落排水 邊坡 攤房這些房子能不能納入我們原則上都OK\n所以這些都有納入了所以從那馬下到桃園到茂林高雄市這三個園鄉的部分都有納入了對 我剛剛跟委員報告有317件是包括到屏東台東嘉義阿里山等等那有關於高雄市三個園區的部分我們再提供數字給委員參考那請還是要大力的支持\n好 謝謝那再來是不是交通 陳市長交通也是重大的一個影響是不是請市長說一下有關我們公路局省道的部分我們就不提了那個是我們自己會去處理當然也是納在這個條例裡面那至於地方政府所提報的案件裡面高雄市大概有提報了23件那23件經過我們的初審大概都是照數就是同意\n所以這些都會同意來支持是大概會有1億多的經費報告當時有提到民生橋的部分當時總統跟院長也都承諾了部長也都承諾了這個也希望能夠加速是我們會加速來辦理好謝謝因為總數有高雄也是重災區總數有20億的一個我希望能夠請各部會再加速來協助讓災民能夠早日恢復他的一些狀況\n那接下來要請教一下 其實大概也給各位看一下其實包括桃園的一些農路啦 包括這個邊坡的等等還有包括納瑪西亞的一樣提案跟這個道路的部分 希望各部會都能夠來加速那因為時間有限 在接下來我來請教一下部長 這個農業部長 陳部長留著就好 其他三位請回\n馬太安溪這個部分其實現在大家還是在紅色警戒狀態嘛那什麼時候可以解除掉我想那個其實在要去降從紅色警戒降級的時候大概有四個前提第一個部分就是它壩體上面的水流它是穩定的去溢流而不會說有更大的一個變化那我先問這個目前這個狀況是可以的嗎\n以現在的天候看起來它是一個穩定的溢流而且它的湖水現在所累積的那個比之前預估的還少那如果有遇到好大雨或遇到颱風再來的時候呢其實我們更擔心的是地震因為地震的時候很有可能會形成第二個驗測湖所以我們現在是持續的去做監控\n所以他即使撤掉了紅色警戒還是會保留還是將來還是有可能隨隨密切注意對 我們監測是持續在做的那現在是紅色警戒那剛才說降低這個警戒的一個燈號的時候\n第二個部分就是他下游的這些堤防或者是河道的疏進的功能是完成的然後相關的這些邊坡也然後最重要的是疏散撤離計畫是已經很完成的做一些我問一下那所以前三個都已經完成了嗎\n前三個大概都現在水利事務都差不多完成現在就是說最後一個疏散撤離計畫這邊縣府這邊要做核定因為之前整個疏散撤離包括保全對象包括疏散的路線包括收容的這些處所那其實在前進協調署的時候那個總協調官他已經有做一些協助的部分\n那相關的因為整個蘇戰撤離作為是由地方政府擬定跟執行所以就等這個部分的話就可能紅色就可以然後再觀察當時的天候但是其實解除要紅色警戒還是必須要密切注意啦因為包括剛剛部長提到的地震甚至包括如果遇到颱風或好大雨的話還是會有相當的一些像我們說\n如果雨量超過200毫米的話我們會再度發射紅色警戒那如果地震超過5落的時候我們也會發布這些紅色警戒加細胞廣播還有海嘯廣播那當時的時候有人把這個責任推給部長說當時部長說這是安全的所以當時的狀況下是安全的嘛 是嗎我跟委員報告8月13號的時候大家討論的是洋流颱風以當時的水量所以我對外也澄清喔你用8月13號去講現在的情況\n他本來就是一個不斷動態的因為隨著颱風來隨著好大雨他本來就是一個動態所以我也覺得一方面部長可能要一方面持續澄清另外一方面可能未來也要持續的對外提出更多的一個提醒就是說任何這些狀況因為他都隨著一個動態的一個狀態即使是今天安全也不代表明天就不會有新的狀況發生對 絕對是這樣我們的所有的對外的發布都會根據壩底現在的水流量跟壩底的邊坡的穩定性然後提供中下游的居民的一些警戒\n我最後一個問一下它是一個動態的調整好 這隨時動態也要隨時對外說明喔我最後要請教一下霸體跟清淤的部分現在有兩頭不同的方式啦一個是納入到這一次的風災的這個預算跟特別條例來處理啦另外一個是單獨在立那現在其實行政院整體是支持應該是納入到比較有效率比較快部長是這樣吧\n是 我們現在是傾向於就是以農業部的理想我們傾向於用現在的特別預算去做追加的方式可能用丹納斯颱風728不能把這個花蓮這一次的把它一起納進來那增加250億的一個預算那其實來做是最快的啦是 因為整個馬太安颱風馬太安的那個災情它不是說就是花架災颱風引起的\n它其實是從之前的連續性的影響長期累積性的一個問題所以這次的颱風從但那次颱風0708 0728還有洋雨颱風其實都有陸陸續續的這些影響好 我們希望盡快的修正盡快的來把這些預算編列出來然後盡快來協助花蓮能夠盡速的來重建完成讓基民能夠有好的一個生活希望委員支持好 一定支持謝謝謝謝賴瑞榮委員的資訊 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.365 --> 00:28.278\n好謝謝召委我先請一下農業部陳部長經濟部龔部長園民會的股仲副主委還有交通部的陳次長我們請我們部長副主委還有次長我也好我先請教一下這個\n\n00:30.226 --> 00:54.370\n丹納市的颱風還有728的豪雨其實確實對台灣造成了相當多的影響那這個重建條例也通過了那也各地方政府也報上來那我第一個先請教一下這一個廣泛的問題啦因為裡面有包括高雄的案子裡面其實有包括35案是有關於丹納市颱風跟豪雨的那水利設施的也有相關案件包括\n\n00:55.070 --> 01:22.113\n部落排水啊山坡整偏坡整治跟復建還有道路交通的部分還有家園跟公共設施還有社會復原跟產業促進這總數大概將近有差不多100案左右啦我先示意請教一下那總數加起來可能需要到20億的一個支持啦這個案子也都報到中央來了那我先問一下這些案子的部分都會得到中央的支持嗎還是還有什麼樣的考量的我是不是先請農業部長\n\n01:23.354 --> 01:51.210\n我跟委員報告一下就是有關於這次災難台風您剛才所提到的這些農水路的部分還有基礎建設的部分我們農業部大概編的76.82億是協助地方政府那我剛才查了一下在高雄市的部分大概相關的部分大概有5億農糧的部分大概有5億的部分可以去協助但是每一個案子是由地方政府報上來我們還是會現刊然後去做一些核定的動作\n\n01:52.290 --> 02:19.181\n實際的金額可能會有一些調整但大方向上面會支持啦會給予支持就是說因為當時總統也提過從寬從優從速從減的原則嘛一個大原則就是地方政府查報來我們現刊如果說它其實沒那麼嚴重有沒有那可能用比較少的經費我們也是為這個當然啦如果沒那麼嚴重的話那當然就要調整但是如果確實是事實的話也會從速來給予相關的一個補助跟支持\n\n02:19.901 --> 02:46.501\n那另外有關於那些的山坡地的一些部分跟野溪的整治的部分那個山坡地的部分我們編了其中76.82億裡面25.72億是邊坡防治的部分都是還在裡面所以是邊坡防治農水路那另外還有所謂的漁港的部分那還有養殖的區的這些農水路這個加起來大概76.82億所以這些大方向上都可以支持就看現場的會刊的狀況好謝謝部長\n\n02:48.723 --> 03:04.060\n那再來龔部長因為分成兩個部分一個大概直接民眾的部分這是一個部分或者是廠商的部分他直接來申請那剛才提到嘛從優從寬從素嘛那另外一個就是包括剛才提到的這些\n\n03:05.241 --> 03:18.197\n檢疫自來水也好或者是水利設施也好因為那個是根據地方政府我們要跟他合作把這個事情做好所以那個要等地方政府我們再跟他協調所以現在報上來的部分多數上是沒有問題的\n\n03:19.759 --> 03:41.543\n給予支持啦是那剩下的部分當然有些他陸續在報當中特別是比較原鄉的地區有些自來水部分損害的比較嚴重這個請到時候市府報審的時候也請這個經濟部這邊能夠來專案給予支持啦我們我想這個條例跟這個特別預算也希望給予這些受災的災民都給予更大的一個支持啦好謝謝那再來是不是請下谷中副主委\n\n03:43.727 --> 04:12.290\n委員好園民會的部分呢那針對部落排水包括部落聯絡道以及橋樑的部分我們大概編列有將近42億那目前我們已經針對地方政府我們開過三次的審查會議那目前已經審查有317件預算是39.3億所以委員關心這個能不能把部落包括部落排水邊坡攤房這些房子能不能納入我們原則上都OK\n\n04:12.930 --> 04:32.033\n所以這些都有納入了所以從那馬下到桃園到茂林高雄市這三個園鄉的部分都有納入了對我剛剛跟委員報告有317件是包括到屏東台東嘉義阿里山等等那有關於高雄市三個園區的部分我們再提供數字給委員參考那請還是要大力的支持\n\n04:32.714 --> 04:57.931\n好謝謝那再來是不是交通陳市長交通也是重大的一個影響是不是請市長說一下有關我們公路局省道的部分我們就不提了那個是我們自己會去處理當然也是納在這個條例裡面那至於地方政府所提報的案件裡面高雄市大概有提報了23件那23件經過我們的初審大概都是照數就是同意\n\n04:58.431 --> 05:16.103\n所以這些都會同意來支持是大概會有1億多的經費報告當時有提到民生橋的部分當時總統跟院長也都承諾了部長也都承諾了這個也希望能夠加速是我們會加速來辦理好謝謝因為總數有高雄也是重災區總數有20億的一個我希望能夠請各部會再加速來協助讓災民能夠早日恢復他的一些狀況\n\n05:22.907 --> 05:45.785\n那接下來要請教一下其實大概也給各位看一下其實包括桃園的一些農路啦包括這個邊坡的等等還有包括納瑪西亞的一樣提案跟這個道路的部分希望各部會都能夠來加速那因為時間有限在接下來我來請教一下部長這個農業部長陳部長留著就好其他三位請回\n\n05:47.502 --> 06:11.037\n馬太安溪這個部分其實現在大家還是在紅色警戒狀態嘛那什麼時候可以解除掉我想那個其實在要去降從紅色警戒降級的時候大概有四個前提第一個部分就是它壩體上面的水流它是穩定的去溢流而不會說有更大的一個變化那我先問這個目前這個狀況是可以的嗎\n\n06:11.777 --> 06:33.386\n以現在的天候看起來它是一個穩定的溢流而且它的湖水現在所累積的那個比之前預估的還少那如果有遇到好大雨或遇到颱風再來的時候呢其實我們更擔心的是地震因為地震的時候很有可能會形成第二個驗測湖所以我們現在是持續的去做監控\n\n06:33.686 --> 06:46.360\n所以他即使撤掉了紅色警戒還是會保留還是將來還是有可能隨隨密切注意對我們監測是持續在做的那現在是紅色警戒那剛才說降低這個警戒的一個燈號的時候\n\n06:48.683 --> 07:04.985\n第二個部分就是他下游的這些堤防或者是河道的疏進的功能是完成的然後相關的這些邊坡也然後最重要的是疏散撤離計畫是已經很完成的做一些我問一下那所以前三個都已經完成了嗎\n\n07:06.175 --> 07:26.733\n前三個大概都現在水利事務都差不多完成現在就是說最後一個疏散撤離計畫這邊縣府這邊要做核定因為之前整個疏散撤離包括保全對象包括疏散的路線包括收容的這些處所那其實在前進協調署的時候那個總協調官他已經有做一些協助的部分\n\n07:27.153 --> 07:47.458\n那相關的因為整個蘇戰撤離作為是由地方政府擬定跟執行所以就等這個部分的話就可能紅色就可以然後再觀察當時的天候但是其實解除要紅色警戒還是必須要密切注意啦因為包括剛剛部長提到的地震甚至包括如果遇到颱風或好大雨的話還是會有相當的一些像我們說\n\n07:48.078 --> 08:14.046\n如果雨量超過200毫米的話我們會再度發射紅色警戒那如果地震超過5落的時候我們也會發布這些紅色警戒加細胞廣播還有海嘯廣播那當時的時候有人把這個責任推給部長說當時部長說這是安全的所以當時的狀況下是安全的嘛是嗎我跟委員報告8月13號的時候大家討論的是洋流颱風以當時的水量所以我對外也澄清喔你用8月13號去講現在的情況\n\n08:16.707 --> 08:45.736\n他本來就是一個不斷動態的因為隨著颱風來隨著好大雨他本來就是一個動態所以我也覺得一方面部長可能要一方面持續澄清另外一方面可能未來也要持續的對外提出更多的一個提醒就是說任何這些狀況因為他都隨著一個動態的一個狀態即使是今天安全也不代表明天就不會有新的狀況發生對絕對是這樣我們的所有的對外的發布都會根據壩底現在的水流量跟壩底的邊坡的穩定性然後提供中下游的居民的一些警戒\n\n08:45.776 --> 09:06.676\n我最後一個問一下它是一個動態的調整好這隨時動態也要隨時對外說明喔我最後要請教一下霸體跟清淤的部分現在有兩頭不同的方式啦一個是納入到這一次的風災的這個預算跟特別條例來處理啦另外一個是單獨在立那現在其實行政院整體是支持應該是納入到比較有效率比較快部長是這樣吧\n\n09:07.116 --> 09:29.507\n是我們現在是傾向於就是以農業部的理想我們傾向於用現在的特別預算去做追加的方式可能用丹納斯颱風728不能把這個花蓮這一次的把它一起納進來那增加250億的一個預算那其實來做是最快的啦是因為整個馬太安颱風馬太安的那個災情它不是說就是花架災颱風引起的\n\n09:29.847 --> 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