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00:01:18,817\n是各位報告我想這個裡面的兩次一個期中報告一跟期末報告都全程參與我都全程的去聽他們怎麼做那期中報告的時候呢先提出了他大概未來怎麼運作期末報告呢他已經大概就是模擬事情大概\n\n5\n00:01:19,617 --> 00:01:31,835\n在技術上應該都沒有問題接下來就是我們是要討論它的落地的商模跟現行制度的比較還有就是說我們未來由誰來參與這件事情還有就是說我們有兩個一個是\n\n6\n00:01:34,699 --> 00:01:57,644\n基金還有一個債券的部分看哪個比較有可能剛好在那個過程剛好WF也出了報告他們未來的預估很多全球對這個看法可能債券是現階段比較有可能來做的但我們現在因為做完報告我們在接下來就跟委員報告就是我們接下來會看剛剛講後續的話我們怎麼樣做特別是未來也會搭配我們現在虛擬資產\n\n7\n00:01:59,945 --> 00:02:14,919\n這個專法裡面怎麼結合因為這兩是互為像比如未來的穩定幣也會跟RWA有密切的關係是相輔相成謝謝主委不過我想您剛剛有提到是以債券為主不過我要那是那個報告提到的\n\n8\n00:02:15,299 --> 00:02:33,705\n是我要跟您分享其實從監管會的角度既然要做亞洲資產中心同時又要向創新靠齊也跟您報告跟您分享美國納茲達克在今年的9月初有向監管機構去提出申請不只要做債券的代幣化也要做股票的代幣化\n\n9\n00:02:34,685 --> 00:02:54,344\n所以我想請教一下有沒有機會去討論一下這一塊的可能性因為我們剛剛您剛剛有提到專法嘛那我們的VISE的專法的第三條呢則是把有價證券的部分排除那有價證券有沒有可能用RWA的方式來做那這個部分可不可以請主委做個回應\n\n10\n00:02:55,134 --> 00:03:16,100\n其實我們在那個虛擬資產專訪裡面也有大概所謂的那個實驗條例的適用我想這部分我們也保留了這樣的一個這個窗口那確實虛擬資產到底是不是有價證券要看因為我們當時很多討論就是你原來是什麼接下來就是什麼原來不是什麼不會因為這樣變成什麼我想大概是一個我們有諮詢學者專家來看\n\n11\n00:03:19,361 --> 00:03:44,541\n那確實未來比如說這個RWA以後呢我們也看到國際上非常非常多嘗試比如像基金像BladeRock基金就做很成功他結合他穩定幣這個parking的時候他可以做到因為他不能收利息所以RWA大家都在全球都在思考他的應用面但我們也是會仔細看看各個世界怎麼運用他我們來決定我們接下來怎麼走\n\n12\n00:03:44,929 --> 00:04:05,388\n好謝謝主委我想股票代幣化或證券的代幣化有很多的優點包括可能交易的時間可以放長還有降低投資門檻結算效率增加等等那我們也希望真的要向全世界去看齊不要我們到最後台灣反而變成是末班車我們現在應該要去思考如何後發先至\n\n13\n00:04:06,449 --> 00:04:33,734\n至於您剛剛有提到的現在實體世界怎麼樣虛擬世界又怎麼樣我想最重要的重點應該還在於機會我想風險跟機會的均衡還是希望主委一起做個考慮剛剛您也提到穩定幣我想穩定幣其實是現在大家非常非常關注的不過您有提到貨幣型的穩定幣為主優先開放受到高度監理的金融機構來試行\n\n14\n00:04:35,234 --> 00:04:53,397\n那我想請教一下其實現在看起來像美國的Genius法案我想你一定也有研究那美國是受聯邦或州政府認可即可那我想請教當VASP的專法通過了以後既然這些VASP的業者都已經獲得金管會的許可\n\n15\n00:04:53,897 --> 00:05:13,218\n那未來主委有沒有考慮評估一下讓未來這些合規的VASP業者也能夠有機會有穩定幣的發行權雖然不能同步但有沒有一個時程或可以考量的空間所以我想委員應該也有非常清楚我們的那個專法草案裡面的條文並沒有限定\n\n16\n00:05:13,979 --> 00:05:35,314\n只有金融機構我們也是參考GENIUS或跟MECA的規定但是我們想說因為台灣我們是採用謹慎友好不冒進但不落後的這樣的一個態度所以我們大概剛開始我在很多地方也有發表個人的看法我們會先從比較高度監管的金融業但我們並沒有排除因為法規本來就沒有做這個限制\n\n17\n00:05:35,916 --> 00:05:56,639\n太好了我想如果能夠有更多類別的RWA做代幣化同時呢又有新台幣的穩定幣我想對於整個未來的金融的交易會有非常大新的彈性的空間甚至不管是我們的量體提升也好甚至是我們現在的月配息有沒有變成日配息甚至秒配息\n\n18\n00:05:57,099 --> 00:06:17,445\n透過Sablecoin這個可程式化的機制都是有很大的考量空間那我想最後幾個問題主委可不可以透露一下因為我們看到6月27號金管會將VASP的草案抱怨以後現在已經過了三個月有沒有機會討論一下目前行政院討論的狀況為什麼這麼久還沒有辦法送到立法院有沒有什麼考量的一個邏輯在裡面\n\n19\n00:06:19,065 --> 00:06:37,781\n我想簡單跟委員報告不過這應該據我所知就是例行性的議程因為通常我們討論以後各部會就會提出他的建議交給我們回去做研議跟調整我們再重新送回去那中間還有一個變數我剛才也跟委員報告過就是因為我們現在原來主審的政委因為更換所以我們重新跟他做簡報我想這個東西應該會按照時程來進行\n\n20\n00:06:40,287 --> 00:06:58,404\n好我們也相信這個樂觀以對最後雖然主席已經站起來不好意思我稍微交流一下這個跟資安有關的議題那因為關鍵基礎設施如果有資安風險在這個ATM或相關的設備上是由經管會這裡負責的那我們目前有看到有一些相關的專業的評估報告\n\n21\n00:06:59,665 --> 00:07:14,862\n有提到發現了非常多新的漏洞這些漏洞是有可能影響到我們ATM的網路甚至有可能在緊急或極端狀況的時候這些ATM如果被遠端的封鎖或者被駭入的話很可能會影響到民眾的金融安全\n\n22\n00:07:15,562 --> 00:07:33,310\n這個部分希望主委能不能跟團隊評估一下未來有機會再針對我們資安金融的部分來做個比較更完整的一個檢查跟檢討可以嗎所以我會請支付處來做進一步的研究好謝謝主委謝謝葛委員接下來我們請黃國昌委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8794\t10460\t謝謝主席 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您剛剛有提到專法嘛那我們的VISE的專法的第三條呢則是把有價證券的部分排除那有價證券有沒有可能用RWA的方式來做那這個部分可不可以請主委做個回應\n175134\t196100\t其實我們在那個虛擬資產專訪裡面也有大概所謂的那個實驗條例的適用我想這部分我們也保留了這樣的一個這個窗口那確實虛擬資產到底是不是有價證券要看因為我們當時很多討論就是你原來是什麼接下來就是什麼原來不是什麼不會因為這樣變成什麼我想大概是一個我們有諮詢學者專家來看\n199361\t224541\t那確實未來比如說這個RWA以後呢我們也看到國際上非常非常多嘗試比如像基金像Blade Rock基金就做很成功他結合他穩定幣這個parking的時候他可以做到因為他不能收利息所以RWA大家都在全球都在思考他的應用面但我們也是會仔細看看各個世界怎麼運用他我們來決定我們接下來怎麼走\n224929\t245388\t好謝謝主委我想股票代幣化或證券的代幣化有很多的優點包括可能交易的時間可以放長還有降低投資門檻結算效率增加等等那我們也希望真的要向全世界去看齊不要我們到最後台灣反而變成是末班車我們現在應該要去思考如何後發先至\n246449\t273734\t至於您剛剛有提到的現在實體世界怎麼樣虛擬世界又怎麼樣我想最重要的重點應該還在於機會我想風險跟機會的均衡還是希望主委一起做個考慮剛剛您也提到穩定幣我想穩定幣其實是現在大家非常非常關注的不過您有提到貨幣型的穩定幣為主優先開放受到高度監理的金融機構來試行\n275234\t293397\t那我想請教一下其實現在看起來像美國的Genius法案我想你一定也有研究那美國是受聯邦或州政府認可即可那我想請教當VASP的專法通過了以後既然這些VASP的業者都已經獲得金管會的許可\n293897\t313218\t那未來主委有沒有考慮評估一下讓未來這些合規的VASP業者也能夠有機會有穩定幣的發行權雖然不能同步但有沒有一個時程或可以考量的空間所以我想委員應該也有非常清楚我們的那個專法草案裡面的條文並沒有限定\n313979\t335314\t只有金融機構我們也是參考GENIUS或跟MECA的規定但是我們想說因為台灣我們是採用謹慎友好不冒進但不落後的這樣的一個態度所以我們大概剛開始我在很多地方也有發表個人的看法我們會先從比較高度監管的金融業但我們並沒有排除因為法規本來就沒有做這個限制\n335916\t356639\t太好了我想如果能夠有更多類別的RWA做代幣化同時呢又有新台幣的穩定幣我想對於整個未來的金融的交易會有非常大新的彈性的空間甚至不管是我們的量體提升也好甚至是我們現在的月配息有沒有變成日配息甚至秒配息\n357099\t377445\t透過Sablecoin這個可程式化的機制都是有很大的考量空間那我想最後幾個問題主委可不可以透露一下因為我們看到6月27號金管會將VASP的草案抱怨以後現在已經過了三個月有沒有機會討論一下目前行政院討論的狀況為什麼這麼久還沒有辦法送到立法院有沒有什麼考量的一個邏輯在裡面\n379065\t397781\t我想簡單跟委員報告不過這應該據我所知就是例行性的議程因為通常我們討論以後各部會就會提出他的建議交給我們回去做研議跟調整我們再重新送回去那中間還有一個變數我剛才也跟委員報告過就是因為我們現在原來主審的政委因為更換所以我們重新跟他做簡報我想這個東西應該會按照時程來進行\n400287\t418404\t好我們也相信這個樂觀以對最後雖然主席已經站起來不好意思我稍微交流一下這個跟資安有關的議題那因為關鍵基礎設施如果有資安風險在這個ATM或相關的設備上是由經管會這裡負責的那我們目前有看到有一些相關的專業的評估報告\n419665\t434862\t有提到發現了非常多新的漏洞這些漏洞是有可能影響到我們ATM的網路甚至有可能在緊急或極端狀況的時候這些ATM如果被遠端的封鎖或者被駭入的話很可能會影響到民眾的金融安全\n435562\t453310\t這個部分希望主委能不能跟團隊評估一下未來有機會再針對我們資安金融的部分來做個比較更完整的一個檢查跟檢討可以嗎所以我會請支付處來做進一步的研究好 謝謝主委謝謝葛委員接下來我們請黃國昌委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請主委\n這次非常感謝業務報告裡面有一個非常明確的加速金融科技創新與發展的項目那我們也一直都非常關注金管會長期在推動現實世界資產RWA代幣化的相關的一些細節那我們也看到裡面有說有10家的金融機構還有相關的這個機構有參與\n以國內外的債券代幣化為標的進行所謂的Proof of Concept這個POC的測試那9月25號有完成期末實證的報告那這個相信內部可能有一些機密我們也不好索取但是想請教一下主委這個報告的結果怎麼樣有沒有符合原先的預期\n是各位報告我想這個裡面的兩次一個期中報告一跟期末報告都全程參與我都全程的去聽他們怎麼做那期中報告的時候呢先提出了他大概未來怎麼運作期末報告呢他已經大概就是模擬事情大概\n在技術上應該都沒有問題接下來就是我們是要討論它的落地的商模跟現行制度的比較還有就是說我們未來由誰來參與這件事情還有就是說我們有兩個一個是\n基金還有一個債券的部分看哪個比較有可能剛好在那個過程剛好WF也出了報告他們未來的預估很多全球對這個看法可能債券是現階段比較有可能來做的但我們現在因為做完報告我們在接下來就跟委員報告就是我們接下來會看剛剛講後續的話我們怎麼樣做特別是未來也會搭配我們現在虛擬資產\n這個專法裡面怎麼結合因為這兩是互為像比如未來的穩定幣也會跟RWA有密切的關係是相輔相成謝謝主委不過我想您剛剛有提到是以債券為主不過我要那是那個報告提到的\n是 我要跟您分享其實從監管會的角度既然要做亞洲資產中心同時又要向創新靠齊也跟您報告 跟您分享美國納茲達克在今年的9月初有向監管機構去提出申請不只要做債券的代幣化也要做股票的代幣化\n所以我想請教一下有沒有機會去討論一下這一塊的可能性因為我們剛剛 您剛剛有提到專法嘛那我們的VISE的專法的第三條呢則是把有價證券的部分排除那有價證券有沒有可能用RWA的方式來做那這個部分可不可以請主委做個回應\n其實我們在那個虛擬資產專訪裡面也有大概所謂的那個實驗條例的適用我想這部分我們也保留了這樣的一個這個窗口那確實虛擬資產到底是不是有價證券要看因為我們當時很多討論就是你原來是什麼接下來就是什麼原來不是什麼不會因為這樣變成什麼我想大概是一個我們有諮詢學者專家來看\n那確實未來比如說這個RWA以後呢我們也看到國際上非常非常多嘗試比如像基金像Blade Rock基金就做很成功他結合他穩定幣這個parking的時候他可以做到因為他不能收利息所以RWA大家都在全球都在思考他的應用面但我們也是會仔細看看各個世界怎麼運用他我們來決定我們接下來怎麼走\n好謝謝主委我想股票代幣化或證券的代幣化有很多的優點包括可能交易的時間可以放長還有降低投資門檻結算效率增加等等那我們也希望真的要向全世界去看齊不要我們到最後台灣反而變成是末班車我們現在應該要去思考如何後發先至\n至於您剛剛有提到的現在實體世界怎麼樣虛擬世界又怎麼樣我想最重要的重點應該還在於機會我想風險跟機會的均衡還是希望主委一起做個考慮剛剛您也提到穩定幣我想穩定幣其實是現在大家非常非常關注的不過您有提到貨幣型的穩定幣為主優先開放受到高度監理的金融機構來試行\n那我想請教一下其實現在看起來像美國的Genius法案我想你一定也有研究那美國是受聯邦或州政府認可即可那我想請教當VASP的專法通過了以後既然這些VASP的業者都已經獲得金管會的許可\n那未來主委有沒有考慮評估一下讓未來這些合規的VASP業者也能夠有機會有穩定幣的發行權雖然不能同步但有沒有一個時程或可以考量的空間所以我想委員應該也有非常清楚我們的那個專法草案裡面的條文並沒有限定\n只有金融機構我們也是參考GENIUS或跟MECA的規定但是我們想說因為台灣我們是採用謹慎友好不冒進但不落後的這樣的一個態度所以我們大概剛開始我在很多地方也有發表個人的看法我們會先從比較高度監管的金融業但我們並沒有排除因為法規本來就沒有做這個限制\n太好了我想如果能夠有更多類別的RWA做代幣化同時呢又有新台幣的穩定幣我想對於整個未來的金融的交易會有非常大新的彈性的空間甚至不管是我們的量體提升也好甚至是我們現在的月配息有沒有變成日配息甚至秒配息\n透過Sablecoin這個可程式化的機制都是有很大的考量空間那我想最後幾個問題主委可不可以透露一下因為我們看到6月27號金管會將VASP的草案抱怨以後現在已經過了三個月有沒有機會討論一下目前行政院討論的狀況為什麼這麼久還沒有辦法送到立法院有沒有什麼考量的一個邏輯在裡面\n我想簡單跟委員報告不過這應該據我所知就是例行性的議程因為通常我們討論以後各部會就會提出他的建議交給我們回去做研議跟調整我們再重新送回去那中間還有一個變數我剛才也跟委員報告過就是因為我們現在原來主審的政委因為更換所以我們重新跟他做簡報我想這個東西應該會按照時程來進行\n好我們也相信這個樂觀以對最後雖然主席已經站起來不好意思我稍微交流一下這個跟資安有關的議題那因為關鍵基礎設施如果有資安風險在這個ATM或相關的設備上是由經管會這裡負責的那我們目前有看到有一些相關的專業的評估報告\n有提到發現了非常多新的漏洞這些漏洞是有可能影響到我們ATM的網路甚至有可能在緊急或極端狀況的時候這些ATM如果被遠端的封鎖或者被駭入的話很可能會影響到民眾的金融安全\n這個部分希望主委能不能跟團隊評估一下未來有機會再針對我們資安金融的部分來做個比較更完整的一個檢查跟檢討可以嗎所以我會請支付處來做進一步的研究好 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