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00:01:55,049\n點跟點的旅遊不用說我就一個去去旅遊然後要趕到回來的車就要同一天再回來所以區間車有這樣的一個好處那所以想要請教部長整個區間車的一個規劃狀況呢\n\n7\n00:01:57,233 --> 00:02:16,040\n我想現委員的一個質詢因為阿里山是一個台灣非常棒的一個風險區那誠如剛才委員說的區間車是可以帶動人潮到不同的點位所以我們現在規劃有兩個部分一個是有關於奮起湖的區間車一個是竹騎的區間車那奮起湖的區間車我們是用新買的這些生理號\n\n8\n00:02:16,900 --> 00:02:42,816\n的一個火車的車廂然後現在正在進行測試那預計在明年的中大概明年的中大概六月之前啦會完成完成了以後原來的這個所謂的所謂的那叫做阿里山號就會轉成一般的區間車所以在台生理號嘛藍色那一台生理號很漂亮很漂亮的生理號未來他就會取代了過去的阿里山號那阿里山號會轉成區間車這樣的意思嗎\n\n9\n00:02:45,117 --> 00:03:04,499\n是這樣子然後另外一個是竹崎的部分那竹崎車站現在正在蓋嘛那蓋好大概他們預計是115年蓋好那蓋好以後我們相關的區間車也會在116年上半年度就會來通行那我們希望說這是預計的時程我們希望說能夠越快是越好的這樣的話帶動一些觀光人潮\n\n10\n00:03:05,340 --> 00:03:32,282\n部長我想這個區間車真的是很重要因為點跟點之間的旅遊讓大家的停留時間越久而且阿里山事實上是很耐玩的這麼耐玩的地方你不讓他有機會去停留這個就很可惜好不好所以這個我想我們未來會持續推動部長跟林鐵樹可以先回我們現在請經濟部以及交通部的觀光署我們請經濟部還有交通部觀光署\n\n11\n00:03:34,229 --> 00:03:59,947\n交通部次長好了交通部次長就是還是延續剛剛的問題從丹麥斯造成的整個觀光產業可以看出整個國旅真的是下降而且現在國旅的天數創了10年的新低很多人選擇旅遊的時候可能會到外國去玩所以大概國旅的狀況是不好的\n\n12\n00:04:00,908 --> 00:04:17,957\n在台南嘉義又因為丹納斯之後那整個觀光也是非常的受創尤其是在山區啦那我想要請教的是說觀光署你們現在對於整個地方觀光的旅遊的一個恢復你們有怎樣的計畫嗎來交通部\n\n13\n00:04:24,363 --> 00:04:52,699\n主席报告委员我们除了就是说我们管理处的这些设施事实上已经都尽快恢复那目前我们大概是行销就是扭转游客的部分这目前是阿里山是可以适合旅游那当然我们会配合第四季一些活动的部分去引导客人的赶快回到阿里山来旅游那我们会监测目前的一个所谓的住宿的部分目前是衣后的部分事实上是有一点往上升那可能要\n\n14\n00:04:53,639 --> 00:05:20,658\n給市場一點點時間我想這部分我們要恢復他們來阿里山旅遊的一個信心好就是交通部這邊你們因為我們這一次是有編特別預算那兩年的時間讓你們執行所以我們希望這個特別預算至少這一筆錢這個是九億的嘛這個是九億你們一定要好好運用在這一次的災區怎麼去行銷觀光怎麼去讓整個旅遊業讓它可以再度蓬勃發展起來\n\n15\n00:05:21,198 --> 00:05:43,805\n這件事很重要是我跟委員說明一下原則上因為觀光裡頭其實都有一個區域所以阿里山其實是一個很棒的一個觀光圈所以我們會協助這個觀光圈的業者如何多元的辦理多元的活動或行銷那當然我們也有必要的時候也會補助地方政府有關相關的一個觀光活動好那我直接來講\n\n16\n00:05:47,046 --> 00:06:07,724\n我直接來講那這個跟經濟部有關那交通部也是有關就是因為現在日本大阪市博那這一個科技館也就是我們大家說的我們台灣在那邊的展覽館那這個展覽館呢他在市博後他就即將會告他的一個階段性任務就結束了\n\n17\n00:06:08,044 --> 00:06:26,031\n那這個經濟部在這裡事實上也是投資了20億然後造成很多的觀光客很多人都站在大阪市博鳥都耳勒公說有的展館看起來台灣館最好最耐看而且最有它的一個意義整個把台灣的行銷從台灣的產業台灣走向AI科技島\n\n18\n00:06:30,413 --> 00:06:56,336\n哇大家都覺得很讚那我現在具體來做一個建議因為在過去的時候我們也有跟前部長郭志輝前部長也有跟他建議當時他沒有反對就是說明年的台灣燈會明年台灣燈會在嘉義那我們有沒有機會把大阪市博的這一個科技館這一個台灣館把它帶回來明年的燈會明年的燈會可以一併的展出呢那這是不是請經濟部長\n\n19\n00:06:58,223 --> 00:07:10,001\n讓他促成說明年的台灣燈會也可以讓我們台灣自己的人也可以來看到去大阪市博才看得到的這樣的一個台灣的一個館\n\n20\n00:07:11,340 --> 00:07:29,334\n台灣的場館我們的確有在討論也跟行政院在討論說什麼樣的部分要遷回來整個館遷回來大概不太可能因為他要拆掉那個地要還給他們大阪那回來的項目是什麼然後地點在哪裡然後時間有多長\n\n21\n00:07:30,342 --> 00:07:55,522\n这个的确有在讨论当中对那我现在就是说因为回来可能未来会放在某一个地点这我们现在不知道嘛那我们是说至少在明年的台湾灯会的一个展览的项目里面大家一样可以看得到这一次大阪世博这个台湾馆的展览的一个内容那可不可以吗如果有展演的部分或者是因为它要有一个空间\n\n22\n00:07:56,516 --> 00:08:21,258\n有一個密閉的空間我們再討論一下看看有什麼樣的項目它是在密閉空間空間我們地方可以盤整出來但是如果有這樣的一個館的一個展出我覺得對於明年我們整個燈會的一個能看度又會大幅的提升我跟經濟部來協助做這一塊交通部這邊也可以協助這樣好不好\n\n23\n00:08:22,032 --> 00:08:31,684\n我們也來配合配好那這件事把它促成拜託主席可以再給我1分鐘嗎來我們再請工程會那經濟部跟交通部可以先回謝謝好\n\n24\n00:08:39,611 --> 00:08:54,110\n工程會那我還是長話短說因為這一次我們知道這個特別預算特別條例裡面它涉及到了兩年內必須要執行因為這個預算就只框了兩年所以時間是很趕的但是我們知道\n\n25\n00:08:55,352 --> 00:09:21,288\n這個災後是百廢待新啊很多工程要推動但是現在工程的推動會遇到一個障礙就是說因為我們基於這個採購須知他的叫做預付的款項不得預30%但是我們知道說現在欠缸很嚴重事實上對很多承包商來說他就標一案然後他我就先拿30%而已對他來說他沒有辦法有能量去多做一點\n\n26\n00:09:22,248 --> 00:09:48,676\n因為現在欠工所以很多他的下包商都是跟他要現金他就是要付現金所以對他來說他的整個能量不足他沒有辦法像以前一樣周轉順利所以我們是不是能夠在特別條例的時候然後打破這個採購須知30%的限制讓廠商更有能量去把一些承包的工程更快的時間把它完成\n\n27\n00:09:50,421 --> 00:10:00,127\n那跟委員報告其實這個那個預付款這件事情當然是方便廠商但是預付款也根據我們的押寶辦法裡面他也要提廠商要提出同額的擔保\n\n28\n00:10:01,550 --> 00:10:25,985\n那所以提高這個預付款的比例到底是不是真的能夠增加廠商的靈活度解決廠商的問題這個我們可以待會去研議對因為同樣的嘛因為他必須要提擔保啊所以同樣意思是說你讓他可以讓預付款讓他可以增加因為他主要是他的現金流不足那為什麼會現金流不足呢就是現在他的小包商都要拿現金跟以前晚一號用開票的比較不一樣他們現在要現金\n\n29\n00:10:30,570 --> 00:10:47,388\n這個還是源到於說現在缺工啦欠工的問題啦所以這個問題我們要整併解決然後這一次的災後的這樣一個重建條例我們才推得快啊好不好好謝謝謝謝義瑜委員也謝謝我們公共工程委員會\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n10047\t20795\t好 謝謝主席那我們是不是先請農業部跟林保署農業部林保署 部長不用喔\n21855\t28098\t部長對部長也要我要幫你休息一下沒辦法好我簡單問部長部長因為整個丹阿斯颱風那\n35302\t64347\t之後可以是說重創了整個嘉義尤其是山區的一個旅遊因為大家如果聽到鳳台阿里山公路有出狀況的話基本上並不會只有在災情期間影響觀光客他會後續影響的連續一段的一個時間因為大家都會想說不知道這個山路火候的狀況怎麼樣所以就會大家會持續觀望一下所以這一個暑假整個阿里山的觀光大概是就沒有\n64767\t76113\t以往的理想這個是大家看得到的所以我們現在是基本上要加速恢復地方的一個觀光產業那我第一個想要問的就是說我們阿里山林鐵\n78228\t102177\t上次我在辦考察的時候我有要求說阿里山的這一個森林鐵路應該要加開區間車因為有區間車才可以讓一些觀光客他不用急著就是要當天往返他可能可以選擇說我坐區間車那我就可以在阿里山或者是跟竹崎、本紀由或者是跟梅山這邊可以做一個這個\n104639\t115049\t點跟點的旅遊 不用說我就一個去 去旅遊然後要趕到回來的車就要同一天再回來所以區間車有這樣的一個好處那所以想要請教部長整個區間車的一個規劃狀況呢\n117233\t136040\t我想現委員的一個質詢因為阿里山是一個台灣非常棒的一個風險區那誠如剛才委員說的區間車是可以帶動人潮到不同的點位所以我們現在規劃有兩個部分一個是有關於奮起湖的區間車一個是竹騎的區間車那奮起湖的區間車我們是用新買的這些生理號\n136900\t162816\t的一個火車的車廂然後現在正在進行測試那預計在明年的中大概明年的中大概六月之前啦會完成完成了以後原來的這個所謂的所謂的那叫做阿里山號就會轉成一般的區間車所以在台生理號嘛藍色那一台生理號很漂亮很漂亮的生理號未來他就會取代了過去的阿里山號那阿里山號會轉成區間車這樣的意思嗎\n165117\t184499\t是這樣子然後另外一個是竹崎的部分那竹崎車站現在正在蓋嘛那蓋好大概他們預計是115年蓋好那蓋好以後我們相關的區間車也會在116年上半年度就會來通行那我們希望說這是預計的時程我們希望說能夠越快是越好的這樣的話帶動一些觀光人潮\n185340\t212282\t部長我想這個區間車真的是很重要因為點跟點之間的旅遊讓大家的停留時間越久而且阿里山事實上是很耐玩的這麼耐玩的地方你不讓他有機會去停留這個就很可惜好不好所以這個我想我們未來會持續推動部長跟林鐵樹可以先回我們現在請經濟部以及交通部的觀光署我們請經濟部還有交通部觀光署\n214229\t239947\t交通部次長好了交通部次長就是還是延續剛剛的問題從丹麥斯造成的整個觀光產業可以看出整個國旅真的是下降而且現在國旅的天數創了10年的新低很多人選擇旅遊的時候可能會到外國去玩所以大概國旅的狀況是不好的\n240908\t257957\t在台南嘉義又因為丹納斯之後那整個觀光也是非常的受創尤其是在山區啦那我想要請教的是說觀光署你們現在對於整個地方觀光的旅遊的一個恢復你們有怎樣的計畫嗎來交通部\n264363\t292699\t主席 报告委员我们除了就是说我们管理处的这些设施事实上已经都尽快恢复那目前我们大概是行销就是扭转游客的部分这目前是阿里山是可以适合旅游那当然我们会配合第四季一些活动的部分去引导客人的赶快回到阿里山来旅游那我们会监测目前的一个所谓的住宿的部分目前是衣后的部分事实上是有一点往上升那可能要\n293639\t320658\t給市場一點點時間我想這部分我們要恢復他們來阿里山旅遊的一個信心好 就是交通部這邊你們因為我們這一次是有編特別預算那兩年的時間讓你們執行所以我們希望這個特別預算至少這一筆錢這個是九億的嘛這個是九億你們一定要好好運用在這一次的災區怎麼去行銷觀光怎麼去讓整個旅遊業讓它可以再度蓬勃發展起來\n321198\t343805\t這件事很重要是 我跟委員說明一下原則上因為觀光裡頭其實都有一個區域所以阿里山其實是一個很棒的一個觀光圈所以我們會協助這個觀光圈的業者如何多元的 辦理多元的活動或行銷那當然我們也有必要的時候也會補助地方政府有關相關的一個觀光活動好 那我直接來講\n347046\t367724\t我直接來講那這個跟經濟部有關那交通部也是有關就是因為現在日本大阪市博那這一個科技館也就是我們大家說的我們台灣在那邊的展覽館那這個展覽館呢他在市博後他就即將會告他的一個階段性任務就結束了\n368044\t386031\t那這個經濟部在這裡事實上也是投資了20億然後造成很多的觀光客很多人都站在大阪市博鳥都耳勒公說有的展館看起來台灣館最好最耐看而且最有它的一個意義整個把台灣的行銷從台灣的產業台灣走向AI科技島\n390413\t416336\t哇 大家都覺得很讚那我現在具體來做一個建議因為在過去的時候我們也有跟前部長郭志輝前部長也有跟他建議當時他沒有反對就是說明年的台灣燈會明年台灣燈會在嘉義那我們有沒有機會把大阪市博的這一個科技館這一個台灣館把它帶回來明年的燈會明年的燈會可以一併的展出呢那這是不是請經濟部長\n418223\t430001\t讓他促成說明年的台灣燈會也可以讓我們台灣自己的人也可以來看到去大阪市博才看得到的這樣的一個台灣的一個館\n431340\t449334\t台灣的場館我們的確有在討論也跟行政院在討論說什麼樣的部分要遷回來整個館遷回來大概不太可能因為他要拆掉那個地要還給他們大阪那回來的項目是什麼然後地點在哪裡然後時間有多長\n450342\t475522\t这个的确有在讨论当中对 那我现在就是说因为回来可能未来会放在某一个地点这我们现在不知道嘛那我们是说至少在明年的台湾灯会的一个展览的项目里面大家一样可以看得到这一次大阪世博这个台湾馆的展览的一个内容那可不可以吗如果有展演的部分或者是因为它要有一个空间\n476516\t501258\t有一個密閉的空間我們再討論一下看看有什麼樣的項目它是在密閉空間空間我們地方可以盤整出來但是如果有這樣的一個館的一個展出我覺得對於明年我們整個燈會的一個能看度又會大幅的提升我跟經濟部來協助做這一塊交通部這邊也可以協助這樣好不好\n502032\t511684\t我們也來配合配好那這件事把它促成拜託主席可以再給我1分鐘嗎來我們再請工程會那經濟部跟交通部可以先回謝謝好\n519611\t534110\t工程會那我還是長話短說因為這一次我們知道這個特別預算特別條例裡面它涉及到了兩年內必須要執行因為這個預算就只框了兩年所以時間是很趕的但是我們知道\n535352\t561288\t這個災後是百廢待新啊很多工程要推動但是現在工程的推動會遇到一個障礙就是說因為我們基於這個採購須知他的叫做預付的款項不得預30%但是我們知道說現在欠缸很嚴重事實上對很多承包商來說他就標一案然後他我就先拿30%而已對他來說他沒有辦法有能量去多做一點\n562248\t588676\t因為現在欠工所以很多他的下包商都是跟他要現金他就是要付現金所以對他來說他的整個能量不足他沒有辦法像以前一樣周轉順利所以我們是不是能夠在特別條例的時候然後打破這個採購須知30%的限制讓廠商更有能量去把一些承包的工程更快的時間把它完成\n590421\t600127\t那跟委員報告其實這個那個預付款這件事情當然是方便廠商但是預付款也根據我們的押寶辦法裡面他也要提廠商要提出同額的擔保\n601550\t625985\t那所以提高這個預付款的比例到底是不是真的能夠增加廠商的靈活度解決廠商的問題這個我們可以待會去研議對因為同樣的嘛因為他必須要提擔保啊所以同樣意思是說你讓他可以讓預付款讓他可以增加因為他主要是他的現金流不足那為什麼會現金流不足呢就是現在他的小包商都要拿現金跟以前晚一號用開票的比較不一樣他們現在要現金\n630570\t647388\t這個還是源到於說現在缺工啦 欠工的問題啦所以這個問題我們要整併解決 然後這一次的災後的這樣一個重建條例我們才推得快啊 好不好好 謝謝謝謝義瑜委員 也謝謝我們公共工程委員會\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席那我們是不是先請農業部跟林保署農業部林保署 部長不用喔\n部長對部長也要我要幫你休息一下沒辦法好我簡單問部長部長因為整個丹阿斯颱風那\n之後可以是說重創了整個嘉義尤其是山區的一個旅遊因為大家如果聽到鳳台阿里山公路有出狀況的話基本上並不會只有在災情期間影響觀光客他會後續影響的連續一段的一個時間因為大家都會想說不知道這個山路火候的狀況怎麼樣所以就會大家會持續觀望一下所以這一個暑假整個阿里山的觀光大概是就沒有\n以往的理想這個是大家看得到的所以我們現在是基本上要加速恢復地方的一個觀光產業那我第一個想要問的就是說我們阿里山林鐵\n上次我在辦考察的時候我有要求說阿里山的這一個森林鐵路應該要加開區間車因為有區間車才可以讓一些觀光客他不用急著就是要當天往返他可能可以選擇說我坐區間車那我就可以在阿里山或者是跟竹崎、本紀由或者是跟梅山這邊可以做一個這個\n點跟點的旅遊 不用說我就一個去 去旅遊然後要趕到回來的車就要同一天再回來所以區間車有這樣的一個好處那所以想要請教部長整個區間車的一個規劃狀況呢\n我想現委員的一個質詢因為阿里山是一個台灣非常棒的一個風險區那誠如剛才委員說的區間車是可以帶動人潮到不同的點位所以我們現在規劃有兩個部分一個是有關於奮起湖的區間車一個是竹騎的區間車那奮起湖的區間車我們是用新買的這些生理號\n的一個火車的車廂然後現在正在進行測試那預計在明年的中大概明年的中大概六月之前啦會完成完成了以後原來的這個所謂的所謂的那叫做阿里山號就會轉成一般的區間車所以在台生理號嘛藍色那一台生理號很漂亮很漂亮的生理號未來他就會取代了過去的阿里山號那阿里山號會轉成區間車這樣的意思嗎\n是這樣子然後另外一個是竹崎的部分那竹崎車站現在正在蓋嘛那蓋好大概他們預計是115年蓋好那蓋好以後我們相關的區間車也會在116年上半年度就會來通行那我們希望說這是預計的時程我們希望說能夠越快是越好的這樣的話帶動一些觀光人潮\n部長我想這個區間車真的是很重要因為點跟點之間的旅遊讓大家的停留時間越久而且阿里山事實上是很耐玩的這麼耐玩的地方你不讓他有機會去停留這個就很可惜好不好所以這個我想我們未來會持續推動部長跟林鐵樹可以先回我們現在請經濟部以及交通部的觀光署我們請經濟部還有交通部觀光署\n交通部次長好了交通部次長就是還是延續剛剛的問題從丹麥斯造成的整個觀光產業可以看出整個國旅真的是下降而且現在國旅的天數創了10年的新低很多人選擇旅遊的時候可能會到外國去玩所以大概國旅的狀況是不好的\n在台南嘉義又因為丹納斯之後那整個觀光也是非常的受創尤其是在山區啦那我想要請教的是說觀光署你們現在對於整個地方觀光的旅遊的一個恢復你們有怎樣的計畫嗎來交通部\n主席 报告委员我们除了就是说我们管理处的这些设施事实上已经都尽快恢复那目前我们大概是行销就是扭转游客的部分这目前是阿里山是可以适合旅游那当然我们会配合第四季一些活动的部分去引导客人的赶快回到阿里山来旅游那我们会监测目前的一个所谓的住宿的部分目前是衣后的部分事实上是有一点往上升那可能要\n給市場一點點時間我想這部分我們要恢復他們來阿里山旅遊的一個信心好 就是交通部這邊你們因為我們這一次是有編特別預算那兩年的時間讓你們執行所以我們希望這個特別預算至少這一筆錢這個是九億的嘛這個是九億你們一定要好好運用在這一次的災區怎麼去行銷觀光怎麼去讓整個旅遊業讓它可以再度蓬勃發展起來\n這件事很重要是 我跟委員說明一下原則上因為觀光裡頭其實都有一個區域所以阿里山其實是一個很棒的一個觀光圈所以我們會協助這個觀光圈的業者如何多元的 辦理多元的活動或行銷那當然我們也有必要的時候也會補助地方政府有關相關的一個觀光活動好 那我直接來講\n我直接來講那這個跟經濟部有關那交通部也是有關就是因為現在日本大阪市博那這一個科技館也就是我們大家說的我們台灣在那邊的展覽館那這個展覽館呢他在市博後他就即將會告他的一個階段性任務就結束了\n那這個經濟部在這裡事實上也是投資了20億然後造成很多的觀光客很多人都站在大阪市博鳥都耳勒公說有的展館看起來台灣館最好最耐看而且最有它的一個意義整個把台灣的行銷從台灣的產業台灣走向AI科技島\n哇 大家都覺得很讚那我現在具體來做一個建議因為在過去的時候我們也有跟前部長郭志輝前部長也有跟他建議當時他沒有反對就是說明年的台灣燈會明年台灣燈會在嘉義那我們有沒有機會把大阪市博的這一個科技館這一個台灣館把它帶回來明年的燈會明年的燈會可以一併的展出呢那這是不是請經濟部長\n讓他促成說明年的台灣燈會也可以讓我們台灣自己的人也可以來看到去大阪市博才看得到的這樣的一個台灣的一個館\n台灣的場館我們的確有在討論也跟行政院在討論說什麼樣的部分要遷回來整個館遷回來大概不太可能因為他要拆掉那個地要還給他們大阪那回來的項目是什麼然後地點在哪裡然後時間有多長\n这个的确有在讨论当中对 那我现在就是说因为回来可能未来会放在某一个地点这我们现在不知道嘛那我们是说至少在明年的台湾灯会的一个展览的项目里面大家一样可以看得到这一次大阪世博这个台湾馆的展览的一个内容那可不可以吗如果有展演的部分或者是因为它要有一个空间\n有一個密閉的空間我們再討論一下看看有什麼樣的項目它是在密閉空間空間我們地方可以盤整出來但是如果有這樣的一個館的一個展出我覺得對於明年我們整個燈會的一個能看度又會大幅的提升我跟經濟部來協助做這一塊交通部這邊也可以協助這樣好不好\n我們也來配合配好那這件事把它促成拜託主席可以再給我1分鐘嗎來我們再請工程會那經濟部跟交通部可以先回謝謝好\n工程會那我還是長話短說因為這一次我們知道這個特別預算特別條例裡面它涉及到了兩年內必須要執行因為這個預算就只框了兩年所以時間是很趕的但是我們知道\n這個災後是百廢待新啊很多工程要推動但是現在工程的推動會遇到一個障礙就是說因為我們基於這個採購須知他的叫做預付的款項不得預30%但是我們知道說現在欠缸很嚴重事實上對很多承包商來說他就標一案然後他我就先拿30%而已對他來說他沒有辦法有能量去多做一點\n因為現在欠工所以很多他的下包商都是跟他要現金他就是要付現金所以對他來說他的整個能量不足他沒有辦法像以前一樣周轉順利所以我們是不是能夠在特別條例的時候然後打破這個採購須知30%的限制讓廠商更有能量去把一些承包的工程更快的時間把它完成\n那跟委員報告其實這個那個預付款這件事情當然是方便廠商但是預付款也根據我們的押寶辦法裡面他也要提廠商要提出同額的擔保\n那所以提高這個預付款的比例到底是不是真的能夠增加廠商的靈活度解決廠商的問題這個我們可以待會去研議對因為同樣的嘛因為他必須要提擔保啊所以同樣意思是說你讓他可以讓預付款讓他可以增加因為他主要是他的現金流不足那為什麼會現金流不足呢就是現在他的小包商都要拿現金跟以前晚一號用開票的比較不一樣他們現在要現金\n這個還是源到於說現在缺工啦 欠工的問題啦所以這個問題我們要整併解決 然後這一次的災後的這樣一個重建條例我們才推得快啊 好不好好 謝謝謝謝義瑜委員 也謝謝我們公共工程委員會\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.047 --> 00:20.795\n好謝謝主席那我們是不是先請農業部跟林保署農業部林保署部長不用喔\n\n00:21.855 --> 00:28.098\n部長對部長也要我要幫你休息一下沒辦法好我簡單問部長部長因為整個丹阿斯颱風那\n\n00:35.302 --> 01:04.347\n之後可以是說重創了整個嘉義尤其是山區的一個旅遊因為大家如果聽到鳳台阿里山公路有出狀況的話基本上並不會只有在災情期間影響觀光客他會後續影響的連續一段的一個時間因為大家都會想說不知道這個山路火候的狀況怎麼樣所以就會大家會持續觀望一下所以這一個暑假整個阿里山的觀光大概是就沒有\n\n01:04.767 --> 01:16.113\n以往的理想這個是大家看得到的所以我們現在是基本上要加速恢復地方的一個觀光產業那我第一個想要問的就是說我們阿里山林鐵\n\n01:18.228 --> 01:42.177\n上次我在辦考察的時候我有要求說阿里山的這一個森林鐵路應該要加開區間車因為有區間車才可以讓一些觀光客他不用急著就是要當天往返他可能可以選擇說我坐區間車那我就可以在阿里山或者是跟竹崎、本紀由或者是跟梅山這邊可以做一個這個\n\n01:44.639 --> 01:55.049\n點跟點的旅遊不用說我就一個去去旅遊然後要趕到回來的車就要同一天再回來所以區間車有這樣的一個好處那所以想要請教部長整個區間車的一個規劃狀況呢\n\n01:57.233 --> 02:16.040\n我想現委員的一個質詢因為阿里山是一個台灣非常棒的一個風險區那誠如剛才委員說的區間車是可以帶動人潮到不同的點位所以我們現在規劃有兩個部分一個是有關於奮起湖的區間車一個是竹騎的區間車那奮起湖的區間車我們是用新買的這些生理號\n\n02:16.900 --> 02:42.816\n的一個火車的車廂然後現在正在進行測試那預計在明年的中大概明年的中大概六月之前啦會完成完成了以後原來的這個所謂的所謂的那叫做阿里山號就會轉成一般的區間車所以在台生理號嘛藍色那一台生理號很漂亮很漂亮的生理號未來他就會取代了過去的阿里山號那阿里山號會轉成區間車這樣的意思嗎\n\n02:45.117 --> 03:04.499\n是這樣子然後另外一個是竹崎的部分那竹崎車站現在正在蓋嘛那蓋好大概他們預計是115年蓋好那蓋好以後我們相關的區間車也會在116年上半年度就會來通行那我們希望說這是預計的時程我們希望說能夠越快是越好的這樣的話帶動一些觀光人潮\n\n03:05.340 --> 03:32.282\n部長我想這個區間車真的是很重要因為點跟點之間的旅遊讓大家的停留時間越久而且阿里山事實上是很耐玩的這麼耐玩的地方你不讓他有機會去停留這個就很可惜好不好所以這個我想我們未來會持續推動部長跟林鐵樹可以先回我們現在請經濟部以及交通部的觀光署我們請經濟部還有交通部觀光署\n\n03:34.229 --> 03:59.947\n交通部次長好了交通部次長就是還是延續剛剛的問題從丹麥斯造成的整個觀光產業可以看出整個國旅真的是下降而且現在國旅的天數創了10年的新低很多人選擇旅遊的時候可能會到外國去玩所以大概國旅的狀況是不好的\n\n04:00.908 --> 04:17.957\n在台南嘉義又因為丹納斯之後那整個觀光也是非常的受創尤其是在山區啦那我想要請教的是說觀光署你們現在對於整個地方觀光的旅遊的一個恢復你們有怎樣的計畫嗎來交通部\n\n04:24.363 --> 04:52.699\n主席报告委员我们除了就是说我们管理处的这些设施事实上已经都尽快恢复那目前我们大概是行销就是扭转游客的部分这目前是阿里山是可以适合旅游那当然我们会配合第四季一些活动的部分去引导客人的赶快回到阿里山来旅游那我们会监测目前的一个所谓的住宿的部分目前是衣后的部分事实上是有一点往上升那可能要\n\n04:53.639 --> 05:20.658\n給市場一點點時間我想這部分我們要恢復他們來阿里山旅遊的一個信心好就是交通部這邊你們因為我們這一次是有編特別預算那兩年的時間讓你們執行所以我們希望這個特別預算至少這一筆錢這個是九億的嘛這個是九億你們一定要好好運用在這一次的災區怎麼去行銷觀光怎麼去讓整個旅遊業讓它可以再度蓬勃發展起來\n\n05:21.198 --> 05:43.805\n這件事很重要是我跟委員說明一下原則上因為觀光裡頭其實都有一個區域所以阿里山其實是一個很棒的一個觀光圈所以我們會協助這個觀光圈的業者如何多元的辦理多元的活動或行銷那當然我們也有必要的時候也會補助地方政府有關相關的一個觀光活動好那我直接來講\n\n05:47.046 --> 06:07.724\n我直接來講那這個跟經濟部有關那交通部也是有關就是因為現在日本大阪市博那這一個科技館也就是我們大家說的我們台灣在那邊的展覽館那這個展覽館呢他在市博後他就即將會告他的一個階段性任務就結束了\n\n06:08.044 --> 06:26.031\n那這個經濟部在這裡事實上也是投資了20億然後造成很多的觀光客很多人都站在大阪市博鳥都耳勒公說有的展館看起來台灣館最好最耐看而且最有它的一個意義整個把台灣的行銷從台灣的產業台灣走向AI科技島\n\n06:30.413 --> 06:56.336\n哇大家都覺得很讚那我現在具體來做一個建議因為在過去的時候我們也有跟前部長郭志輝前部長也有跟他建議當時他沒有反對就是說明年的台灣燈會明年台灣燈會在嘉義那我們有沒有機會把大阪市博的這一個科技館這一個台灣館把它帶回來明年的燈會明年的燈會可以一併的展出呢那這是不是請經濟部長\n\n06:58.223 --> 07:10.001\n讓他促成說明年的台灣燈會也可以讓我們台灣自己的人也可以來看到去大阪市博才看得到的這樣的一個台灣的一個館\n\n07:11.340 --> 07:29.334\n台灣的場館我們的確有在討論也跟行政院在討論說什麼樣的部分要遷回來整個館遷回來大概不太可能因為他要拆掉那個地要還給他們大阪那回來的項目是什麼然後地點在哪裡然後時間有多長\n\n07:30.342 --> 07:55.522\n这个的确有在讨论当中对那我现在就是说因为回来可能未来会放在某一个地点这我们现在不知道嘛那我们是说至少在明年的台湾灯会的一个展览的项目里面大家一样可以看得到这一次大阪世博这个台湾馆的展览的一个内容那可不可以吗如果有展演的部分或者是因为它要有一个空间\n\n07:56.516 --> 08:21.258\n有一個密閉的空間我們再討論一下看看有什麼樣的項目它是在密閉空間空間我們地方可以盤整出來但是如果有這樣的一個館的一個展出我覺得對於明年我們整個燈會的一個能看度又會大幅的提升我跟經濟部來協助做這一塊交通部這邊也可以協助這樣好不好\n\n08:22.032 --> 08:31.684\n我們也來配合配好那這件事把它促成拜託主席可以再給我1分鐘嗎來我們再請工程會那經濟部跟交通部可以先回謝謝好\n\n08:39.611 --> 08:54.110\n工程會那我還是長話短說因為這一次我們知道這個特別預算特別條例裡面它涉及到了兩年內必須要執行因為這個預算就只框了兩年所以時間是很趕的但是我們知道\n\n08:55.352 --> 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