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00:03:05,233\n那這個人是外加的一定要受過訓練如果沒有受過訓練取得資格的話就不叫特收隊我們的目的就是要在地防救跟在地防災基本上是在地但是如果萬一有更大的部分也是要協同幫忙處理其他的部分\n\n9\n00:03:06,414 --> 00:03:30,567\n必須要跨部會這個很重要原民會跟我們一起舉行記者會所以就是內政部跟原民會會一起來推動好那接下來本席要跟你討論的炸氣犯罪呢他是已經高度的數位化高度的數位化那他不只數位化他還跨境化他甚至我們現在如果傳統能力的掙扎是難以應付\n\n10\n00:03:31,314 --> 00:03:33,795\n但是因為人工智慧AI它又可以很快速的去處理龐大的資料而且可以分析交易跟IP的一個流量那預測異常的行為對於跨國整個網路的詐欺破案它是有影響力的\n\n11\n00:03:50,245 --> 00:03:53,326\n但是我們也看到AI他仍舊沒有辦法去取代在現場蒐證跟情緒的判斷如果演算錯誤的話那又會導致人權的一個爭議所以部長跟警政署相關單位\n\n12\n00:04:07,731 --> 00:04:13,572\n目前我們所規劃的AI輔助這個偵查制度當中我們的標準的這個流程以及審查的流程還有也就是在我們釐清警察的AI的培訓這一點是非常非常的重要因為我們的目的要確保AI在打擊犯罪詐騙的時候能夠成為真正的這個幫助而不是成為主力請教部長\n\n13\n00:04:39,099 --> 00:04:53,418\n委員非常的先進知道說AI可以輔助我們在警政署尤其是警政同仁在從事司法警察工作上面的困擾我們當然也是一樣AI它沒有辦法跟人一樣\n\n14\n00:04:54,179 --> 00:05:12,220\n所以現在AI對我們來講他是屬於科技偵查裡面非常重要的一部分包括我們要處理龐大的資料量或者是要分析或者是IP這些都是屬於後端在做科技偵查裡面必要的手段那目前為止我們在處理的方向不會觸及到真人\n\n15\n00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:33,630\n所以比較沒有人權上面的一個必須要以現在的法律來規範的以外的部分不會超出我們的法制外那也謝謝我們在這個上個會期跟這個會期裡面我們在警政署裡面通過一個大的這個流量記錄器這個大概三年要用一百零二億的部分就是我們累積大量的資料來做分析\n\n16\n00:05:34,150 --> 00:05:45,139\n那也跟委員報告目前我們的警政署尤其是刑事局的科技偵查中心大概從歷次的這個詐騙案裡面已經累計出來我們大概會鎖定大概是有9萬個這個帳號或是9萬的他是屬於有潛在高風險\n\n17\n00:05:50,423 --> 00:06:15,743\n那既然是潛在高風險我們就會針對潛在高風險這是經過AI的幫忙來去處理怎麼樣提醒他不要踏入這個詐騙的陷阱大概是後端的科學技術上面增防非常重要的一部分所以這也是全世界的一個趨勢但是我們要注意在整個培訓方面本席認為這是非常重要因為在整個判斷方面如果判斷錯誤那整個也會歪樓\n\n18\n00:06:18,425 --> 00:06:29,372\n所以本席還是建議我們在AI的這個員警的一個培訓方面你必須必須要與時俱進是我們每一個刑事局每一個刑事單位都有科技偵查隊這以前講針灸隊那他們應該是在法律的規範之下才能夠從事這方面的工作\n\n19\n00:06:38,018 --> 00:07:02,204\n這非常重要培訓也是非常重要接下來本席跟你討論一個我們陽明山國家公園管理處的議題因為我們從109年看到在園區流浪貓犬本席非常的重視這個議題那我們看到現在跟鄉信動物協會還有少數的志工他們在合作進行的TNVR\n\n20\n00:07:02,944 --> 00:07:04,265\n但是我們看到整體性的計畫似乎是不足的為什麼呢因為整個這個犬隻它不斷的自圓去外溢在外溢的情況之下我們看到台北市\n\n21\n00:07:18,215 --> 00:07:25,704\n街頭的流浪貓犬約有九成都是來自陽明山國家公園的管轄區內這個我一點不太相信來你請說來你請看行程地方收容他的壓力還有民眾安全的疑慮安全的疑慮那我們顯示部長\n\n22\n00:07:37,438 --> 00:07:55,975\n在整個地方收容已經有壓力跟公共安全的這個危險性的時候我們要怎麼樣能夠協助國家公園他們在做這個我們大家希望照著流程做TMVR的這個流程能夠讓他們去落實讓這個外溢的機制它是沒有風險的請求說明\n\n23\n00:08:03,391 --> 00:08:31,323\n報告委員第一個我不太相信台北市的流量犬貓九成是來自養管處因為養管處他不可能去成立一個動物繁殖場但是我相信您所講的沒有錯流量犬貓是需要管理的那詳細的管理狀況第一個我會責成陽明山國家公園管理處把現在的狀況跟委員做一個報告那再來呢如果是流量犬貓要管理的話要跟地方政府一起來合作\n\n24\n00:08:32,123 --> 00:08:35,247\n包括有結紮等等就是比較人道性的作為來處理這個部分那養管處他們在管理上面有沒有失靈的部分我會後會來請這個養管處說一個說明國長你先站不說你相信不相信\n\n25\n00:08:49,705 --> 00:08:57,248\n問題產生的時候我們要去研議了解實境的明末這是第一個第二個因為陽明山管理公園他的一個管轄區他是有限制區所以要怎麼樣可以合作這是我們很重要的一個議題現在提出在他們作為計劃的這個方向他沒有辦法去落實的時候我們應該要協助他\n\n26\n00:09:15,515 --> 00:09:18,017\n應該協助他所以你剛才的回答很好你會責成他們目前他們執行的狀況究竟是如何我們去研議怎麼可以讓怎麼樣的方式可以精進方案這才是我們要的請你把了解的情況順便資料給本席我們一起來討論謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4348\t8610\t謝謝主席 兩位發言人邀請部長部長辛苦了我想碰到這樣的事情大家都很心痛但是我們要團結好好的努力去將我們必要做的一定要把它做到到位要精進的我們要好好精進\n31878\t49651\t那所以呢我看到你的這個資料裡頭也據媒體報導在10月9號我們看到你有一個預告有一個預告也就是年底到明年初要在12個縣市成立原民特首隊來強化部落防災救災的一個量能\n50171\t70360\t那我們也看到據統計739個部落當中446處就是屬於環境敏感的地區188處是屬於孤島型的部落那災難發生時不管是交通中斷通訊失聯這種看得到到不了\n71460\t98333\t的情況那麼似乎現在我們看到常態那如果中央呢我們在整個都市計畫的這個消防邏輯設計是以這個為主那更欠缺了一個統一訓練跟調度的一個機制那我深怕我深怕我們的原民特首隊又會成為一個流雨形勢所以我本行因為我們台中自己為我們的部落早上我也跟經濟\n99494\t126819\t部長也在討論也就是當他偏鄉他一旦發生災難的時候他的店也沒有辦法進去的時候那麼微型電網必須能夠佈建在那裡讓他們至少三天72小時他是可以應對的那所以呢本期非常的希望原民特收隊他不是流於行事而是真正能夠在地防災在地這個救災那請教\n129019\t145845\t部長你們的進度跟你們的方向報告委員我們10月9號的時候我要求我們的消防署跟12個縣市包括台中市在內成立這個原民特授隊那原民特授隊呢第一個譬如說他退休的這個特種這個部隊的成員\n148886\t163509\t或者是在國家公園署或者是現在的內政部有這個山地原住民的這些身份的人他們能夠就地經過我們在南投縣竹山的這個消防特收的訓練之後才能夠成立而不是流於形式\n164190\t185233\t那這個人是外加的一定要受過訓練如果沒有受過訓練取得資格的話就不叫特收隊我們的目的就是要在地防救跟在地防災基本上是在地但是如果萬一有更大的部分也是要協同幫忙處理其他的部分\n186414\t210567\t必須要跨部會這個很重要原民會跟我們一起舉行記者會所以就是內政部跟原民會會一起來推動好那接下來本席要跟你討論的炸氣犯罪呢他是已經高度的數位化高度的數位化那他不只數位化他還跨境化他甚至我們現在如果傳統能力的掙扎是難以應付\n211314\t213795\t但是因為人工智慧AI它又可以很快速的去處理龐大的資料而且可以分析交易跟IP的一個流量那預測異常的行為對於跨國整個網路的詐欺破案它是有影響力的\n230245\t233326\t但是我們也看到AI他仍舊沒有辦法去取代在現場蒐證跟情緒的判斷如果演算錯誤的話那又會導致人權的一個爭議所以部長跟警政署相關單位\n247731\t253572\t目前我們所規劃的AI輔助這個偵查制度當中我們的標準的這個流程以及審查的流程還有也就是在我們釐清警察的AI的培訓這一點是非常非常的重要因為我們的目的要確保AI在打擊犯罪詐騙的時候能夠成為真正的這個幫助而不是成為主力請教部長\n279099\t293418\t委員非常的先進知道說AI可以輔助我們在警政署尤其是警政同仁在從事司法警察工作上面的困擾我們當然也是一樣AI它沒有辦法跟人一樣\n294179\t312220\t所以現在AI對我們來講他是屬於科技偵查裡面非常重要的一部分包括我們要處理龐大的資料量或者是要分析或者是IP這些都是屬於後端在做科技偵查裡面必要的手段那目前為止我們在處理的方向不會觸及到真人\n312560\t333630\t所以比較沒有人權上面的一個必須要以現在的法律來規範的以外的部分不會超出我們的法制外那也謝謝我們在這個上個會期跟這個會期裡面我們在警政署裡面通過一個大的這個流量記錄器這個大概三年要用一百零二億的部分就是我們累積大量的資料來做分析\n334150\t345139\t那也跟委員報告目前我們的警政署尤其是刑事局的科技偵查中心大概從歷次的這個詐騙案裡面已經累計出來我們大概會鎖定大概是有9萬個這個帳號或是9萬的他是屬於有潛在高風險\n350423\t375743\t那既然是潛在高風險我們就會針對潛在高風險這是經過AI的幫忙來去處理怎麼樣提醒他不要踏入這個詐騙的陷阱大概是後端的科學技術上面增防非常重要的一部分所以這也是全世界的一個趨勢但是我們要注意在整個培訓方面本席認為這是非常重要因為在整個判斷方面如果判斷錯誤那整個也會歪樓\n378425\t389372\t所以本席還是建議我們在AI的這個員警的一個培訓方面你必須必須要與時俱進是我們每一個刑事局每一個刑事單位都有科技偵查隊這以前講針灸隊那他們應該是在法律的規範之下才能夠從事這方面的工作\n398018\t422204\t這非常重要 培訓也是非常重要接下來本席跟你討論一個我們陽明山國家公園管理處的議題因為我們從109年看到在園區流浪貓犬本席非常的重視這個議題那我們看到現在跟鄉信動物協會還有少數的志工他們在合作進行的TNVR\n422944\t424265\t但是我們看到整體性的計畫似乎是不足的為什麼呢因為整個這個犬隻它不斷的自圓去外溢在外溢的情況之下我們看到台北市\n438215\t445704\t街頭的流浪貓犬約有九成都是來自陽明山國家公園的管轄區內這個我一點不太相信來你請說來你請看行程地方收容他的壓力還有民眾安全的疑慮安全的疑慮那我們顯示部長\n457438\t475975\t在整個地方收容已經有壓力跟公共安全的這個危險性的時候我們要怎麼樣能夠協助國家公園他們在做這個我們大家希望照著流程做TMVR的這個流程能夠讓他們去落實讓這個外溢的機制它是沒有風險的請求說明\n483391\t511323\t報告委員第一個我不太相信台北市的流量犬貓九成是來自養管處因為養管處他不可能去成立一個動物繁殖場但是我相信您所講的沒有錯流量犬貓是需要管理的那詳細的管理狀況第一個我會責成陽明山國家公園管理處把現在的狀況跟委員做一個報告那再來呢如果是流量犬貓要管理的話要跟地方政府一起來合作\n512123\t515247\t包括有結紮等等就是比較人道性的作為來處理這個部分那養管處他們在管理上面有沒有失靈的部分我會後會來請這個養管處說一個說明國長你先站不說你相信不相信\n529705\t537248\t問題產生的時候我們要去研議了解實境的明末這是第一個第二個因為陽明山管理公園他的一個管轄區他是有限制區所以要怎麼樣可以合作這是我們很重要的一個議題現在提出在他們作為計劃的這個方向他沒有辦法去落實的時候我們應該要協助他\n555515\t558017\t應該協助他所以你剛才的回答很好你會責成他們目前他們執行的狀況究竟是如何我們去研議怎麼可以讓怎麼樣的方式可以精進方案這才是我們要的請你把了解的情況順便資料給本席我們一起來討論謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 兩位發言人邀請部長部長辛苦了我想碰到這樣的事情大家都很心痛但是我們要團結好好的努力去將我們必要做的一定要把它做到到位要精進的我們要好好精進\n那所以呢我看到你的這個資料裡頭也據媒體報導在10月9號我們看到你有一個預告有一個預告也就是年底到明年初要在12個縣市成立原民特首隊來強化部落防災救災的一個量能\n那我們也看到據統計739個部落當中446處就是屬於環境敏感的地區188處是屬於孤島型的部落那災難發生時不管是交通中斷通訊失聯這種看得到到不了\n的情況那麼似乎現在我們看到常態那如果中央呢我們在整個都市計畫的這個消防邏輯設計是以這個為主那更欠缺了一個統一訓練跟調度的一個機制那我深怕我深怕我們的原民特首隊又會成為一個流雨形勢所以我本行因為我們台中自己為我們的部落早上我也跟經濟\n部長也在討論也就是當他偏鄉他一旦發生災難的時候他的店也沒有辦法進去的時候那麼微型電網必須能夠佈建在那裡讓他們至少三天72小時他是可以應對的那所以呢本期非常的希望原民特收隊他不是流於行事而是真正能夠在地防災在地這個救災那請教\n部長你們的進度跟你們的方向報告委員我們10月9號的時候我要求我們的消防署跟12個縣市包括台中市在內成立這個原民特授隊那原民特授隊呢第一個譬如說他退休的這個特種這個部隊的成員\n或者是在國家公園署或者是現在的內政部有這個山地原住民的這些身份的人他們能夠就地經過我們在南投縣竹山的這個消防特收的訓練之後才能夠成立而不是流於形式\n那這個人是外加的一定要受過訓練如果沒有受過訓練取得資格的話就不叫特收隊我們的目的就是要在地防救跟在地防災基本上是在地但是如果萬一有更大的部分也是要協同幫忙處理其他的部分\n必須要跨部會這個很重要原民會跟我們一起舉行記者會所以就是內政部跟原民會會一起來推動好那接下來本席要跟你討論的炸氣犯罪呢他是已經高度的數位化高度的數位化那他不只數位化他還跨境化他甚至我們現在如果傳統能力的掙扎是難以應付\n但是因為人工智慧AI它又可以很快速的去處理龐大的資料而且可以分析交易跟IP的一個流量那預測異常的行為對於跨國整個網路的詐欺破案它是有影響力的\n但是我們也看到AI他仍舊沒有辦法去取代在現場蒐證跟情緒的判斷如果演算錯誤的話那又會導致人權的一個爭議所以部長跟警政署相關單位\n目前我們所規劃的AI輔助這個偵查制度當中我們的標準的這個流程以及審查的流程還有也就是在我們釐清警察的AI的培訓這一點是非常非常的重要因為我們的目的要確保AI在打擊犯罪詐騙的時候能夠成為真正的這個幫助而不是成為主力請教部長\n委員非常的先進知道說AI可以輔助我們在警政署尤其是警政同仁在從事司法警察工作上面的困擾我們當然也是一樣AI它沒有辦法跟人一樣\n所以現在AI對我們來講他是屬於科技偵查裡面非常重要的一部分包括我們要處理龐大的資料量或者是要分析或者是IP這些都是屬於後端在做科技偵查裡面必要的手段那目前為止我們在處理的方向不會觸及到真人\n所以比較沒有人權上面的一個必須要以現在的法律來規範的以外的部分不會超出我們的法制外那也謝謝我們在這個上個會期跟這個會期裡面我們在警政署裡面通過一個大的這個流量記錄器這個大概三年要用一百零二億的部分就是我們累積大量的資料來做分析\n那也跟委員報告目前我們的警政署尤其是刑事局的科技偵查中心大概從歷次的這個詐騙案裡面已經累計出來我們大概會鎖定大概是有9萬個這個帳號或是9萬的他是屬於有潛在高風險\n那既然是潛在高風險我們就會針對潛在高風險這是經過AI的幫忙來去處理怎麼樣提醒他不要踏入這個詐騙的陷阱大概是後端的科學技術上面增防非常重要的一部分所以這也是全世界的一個趨勢但是我們要注意在整個培訓方面本席認為這是非常重要因為在整個判斷方面如果判斷錯誤那整個也會歪樓\n所以本席還是建議我們在AI的這個員警的一個培訓方面你必須必須要與時俱進是我們每一個刑事局每一個刑事單位都有科技偵查隊這以前講針灸隊那他們應該是在法律的規範之下才能夠從事這方面的工作\n這非常重要 培訓也是非常重要接下來本席跟你討論一個我們陽明山國家公園管理處的議題因為我們從109年看到在園區流浪貓犬本席非常的重視這個議題那我們看到現在跟鄉信動物協會還有少數的志工他們在合作進行的TNVR\n但是我們看到整體性的計畫似乎是不足的為什麼呢因為整個這個犬隻它不斷的自圓去外溢在外溢的情況之下我們看到台北市\n街頭的流浪貓犬約有九成都是來自陽明山國家公園的管轄區內這個我一點不太相信來你請說來你請看行程地方收容他的壓力還有民眾安全的疑慮安全的疑慮那我們顯示部長\n在整個地方收容已經有壓力跟公共安全的這個危險性的時候我們要怎麼樣能夠協助國家公園他們在做這個我們大家希望照著流程做TMVR的這個流程能夠讓他們去落實讓這個外溢的機制它是沒有風險的請求說明\n報告委員第一個我不太相信台北市的流量犬貓九成是來自養管處因為養管處他不可能去成立一個動物繁殖場但是我相信您所講的沒有錯流量犬貓是需要管理的那詳細的管理狀況第一個我會責成陽明山國家公園管理處把現在的狀況跟委員做一個報告那再來呢如果是流量犬貓要管理的話要跟地方政府一起來合作\n包括有結紮等等就是比較人道性的作為來處理這個部分那養管處他們在管理上面有沒有失靈的部分我會後會來請這個養管處說一個說明國長你先站不說你相信不相信\n問題產生的時候我們要去研議了解實境的明末這是第一個第二個因為陽明山管理公園他的一個管轄區他是有限制區所以要怎麼樣可以合作這是我們很重要的一個議題現在提出在他們作為計劃的這個方向他沒有辦法去落實的時候我們應該要協助他\n應該協助他所以你剛才的回答很好你會責成他們目前他們執行的狀況究竟是如何我們去研議怎麼可以讓怎麼樣的方式可以精進方案這才是我們要的請你把了解的情況順便資料給本席我們一起來討論謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.348 --> 00:08.610\n謝謝主席兩位發言人邀請部長部長辛苦了我想碰到這樣的事情大家都很心痛但是我們要團結好好的努力去將我們必要做的一定要把它做到到位要精進的我們要好好精進\n\n00:31.878 --> 00:49.651\n那所以呢我看到你的這個資料裡頭也據媒體報導在10月9號我們看到你有一個預告有一個預告也就是年底到明年初要在12個縣市成立原民特首隊來強化部落防災救災的一個量能\n\n00:50.171 --> 01:10.360\n那我們也看到據統計739個部落當中446處就是屬於環境敏感的地區188處是屬於孤島型的部落那災難發生時不管是交通中斷通訊失聯這種看得到到不了\n\n01:11.460 --> 01:38.333\n的情況那麼似乎現在我們看到常態那如果中央呢我們在整個都市計畫的這個消防邏輯設計是以這個為主那更欠缺了一個統一訓練跟調度的一個機制那我深怕我深怕我們的原民特首隊又會成為一個流雨形勢所以我本行因為我們台中自己為我們的部落早上我也跟經濟\n\n01:39.494 --> 02:06.819\n部長也在討論也就是當他偏鄉他一旦發生災難的時候他的店也沒有辦法進去的時候那麼微型電網必須能夠佈建在那裡讓他們至少三天72小時他是可以應對的那所以呢本期非常的希望原民特收隊他不是流於行事而是真正能夠在地防災在地這個救災那請教\n\n02:09.019 --> 02:25.845\n部長你們的進度跟你們的方向報告委員我們10月9號的時候我要求我們的消防署跟12個縣市包括台中市在內成立這個原民特授隊那原民特授隊呢第一個譬如說他退休的這個特種這個部隊的成員\n\n02:28.886 --> 02:43.509\n或者是在國家公園署或者是現在的內政部有這個山地原住民的這些身份的人他們能夠就地經過我們在南投縣竹山的這個消防特收的訓練之後才能夠成立而不是流於形式\n\n02:44.190 --> 03:05.233\n那這個人是外加的一定要受過訓練如果沒有受過訓練取得資格的話就不叫特收隊我們的目的就是要在地防救跟在地防災基本上是在地但是如果萬一有更大的部分也是要協同幫忙處理其他的部分\n\n03:06.414 --> 03:30.567\n必須要跨部會這個很重要原民會跟我們一起舉行記者會所以就是內政部跟原民會會一起來推動好那接下來本席要跟你討論的炸氣犯罪呢他是已經高度的數位化高度的數位化那他不只數位化他還跨境化他甚至我們現在如果傳統能力的掙扎是難以應付\n\n03:31.314 --> 03:33.795\n但是因為人工智慧AI它又可以很快速的去處理龐大的資料而且可以分析交易跟IP的一個流量那預測異常的行為對於跨國整個網路的詐欺破案它是有影響力的\n\n03:50.245 --> 03:53.326\n但是我們也看到AI他仍舊沒有辦法去取代在現場蒐證跟情緒的判斷如果演算錯誤的話那又會導致人權的一個爭議所以部長跟警政署相關單位\n\n04:07.731 --> 04:13.572\n目前我們所規劃的AI輔助這個偵查制度當中我們的標準的這個流程以及審查的流程還有也就是在我們釐清警察的AI的培訓這一點是非常非常的重要因為我們的目的要確保AI在打擊犯罪詐騙的時候能夠成為真正的這個幫助而不是成為主力請教部長\n\n04:39.099 --> 04:53.418\n委員非常的先進知道說AI可以輔助我們在警政署尤其是警政同仁在從事司法警察工作上面的困擾我們當然也是一樣AI它沒有辦法跟人一樣\n\n04:54.179 --> 05:12.220\n所以現在AI對我們來講他是屬於科技偵查裡面非常重要的一部分包括我們要處理龐大的資料量或者是要分析或者是IP這些都是屬於後端在做科技偵查裡面必要的手段那目前為止我們在處理的方向不會觸及到真人\n\n05:12.560 --> 05:33.630\n所以比較沒有人權上面的一個必須要以現在的法律來規範的以外的部分不會超出我們的法制外那也謝謝我們在這個上個會期跟這個會期裡面我們在警政署裡面通過一個大的這個流量記錄器這個大概三年要用一百零二億的部分就是我們累積大量的資料來做分析\n\n05:34.150 --> 05:45.139\n那也跟委員報告目前我們的警政署尤其是刑事局的科技偵查中心大概從歷次的這個詐騙案裡面已經累計出來我們大概會鎖定大概是有9萬個這個帳號或是9萬的他是屬於有潛在高風險\n\n05:50.423 --> 06:15.743\n那既然是潛在高風險我們就會針對潛在高風險這是經過AI的幫忙來去處理怎麼樣提醒他不要踏入這個詐騙的陷阱大概是後端的科學技術上面增防非常重要的一部分所以這也是全世界的一個趨勢但是我們要注意在整個培訓方面本席認為這是非常重要因為在整個判斷方面如果判斷錯誤那整個也會歪樓\n\n06:18.425 --> 06:29.372\n所以本席還是建議我們在AI的這個員警的一個培訓方面你必須必須要與時俱進是我們每一個刑事局每一個刑事單位都有科技偵查隊這以前講針灸隊那他們應該是在法律的規範之下才能夠從事這方面的工作\n\n06:38.018 --> 07:02.204\n這非常重要培訓也是非常重要接下來本席跟你討論一個我們陽明山國家公園管理處的議題因為我們從109年看到在園區流浪貓犬本席非常的重視這個議題那我們看到現在跟鄉信動物協會還有少數的志工他們在合作進行的TNVR\n\n07:02.944 --> 07:04.265\n但是我們看到整體性的計畫似乎是不足的為什麼呢因為整個這個犬隻它不斷的自圓去外溢在外溢的情況之下我們看到台北市\n\n07:18.215 --> 07:25.704\n街頭的流浪貓犬約有九成都是來自陽明山國家公園的管轄區內這個我一點不太相信來你請說來你請看行程地方收容他的壓力還有民眾安全的疑慮安全的疑慮那我們顯示部長\n\n07:37.438 --> 07:55.975\n在整個地方收容已經有壓力跟公共安全的這個危險性的時候我們要怎麼樣能夠協助國家公園他們在做這個我們大家希望照著流程做TMVR的這個流程能夠讓他們去落實讓這個外溢的機制它是沒有風險的請求說明\n\n08:03.391 --> 08:31.323\n報告委員第一個我不太相信台北市的流量犬貓九成是來自養管處因為養管處他不可能去成立一個動物繁殖場但是我相信您所講的沒有錯流量犬貓是需要管理的那詳細的管理狀況第一個我會責成陽明山國家公園管理處把現在的狀況跟委員做一個報告那再來呢如果是流量犬貓要管理的話要跟地方政府一起來合作\n\n08:32.123 --> 08:35.247\n包括有結紮等等就是比較人道性的作為來處理這個部分那養管處他們在管理上面有沒有失靈的部分我會後會來請這個養管處說一個說明國長你先站不說你相信不相信\n\n08:49.705 --> 08:57.248\n問題產生的時候我們要去研議了解實境的明末這是第一個第二個因為陽明山管理公園他的一個管轄區他是有限制區所以要怎麼樣可以合作這是我們很重要的一個議題現在提出在他們作為計劃的這個方向他沒有辦法去落實的時候我們應該要協助他\n\n09:15.515 --> 09:18.017\n應該協助他所以你剛才的回答很好你會責成他們目前他們執行的狀況究竟是如何我們去研議怎麼可以讓怎麼樣的方式可以精進方案這才是我們要的請你把了解的情況順便資料給本席我們一起來討論謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":4.348,"end":8.61,"text":"謝謝主席 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