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00:02:07,187\n未來你的這個年終獎金那你各項的升遷更嚴重的是本來還有他們的福利像這種員工票通通禁止使用等等所以變得沒有人敢請假那所以這個院長您知道這件事情嗎當然知道這媒體都報的很多我們也持續的關心是那個部長現在了解的狀況是怎麼樣\n\n6\n00:02:08,915 --> 00:02:25,476\n跟萬元說明當然我們現在還在相關的調查之中所以還沒有一個結論出來對嗎我今天早上其實已經有表達第一個我們在這個議題上我們非常重視不會只聽公司的一方之言\n\n7\n00:02:26,317 --> 00:02:51,554\n那我們會來跟相關的這些機組員也包括相關的利害相關人跟工會來做訪談來把完整的狀況做一個清楚的了解所以今天我想本席提供這個我相信你其實在有些地方有看到但是我們是扎實的得到很多的空服員來跟我們的陳情他們覺得他們其實非常的痛苦不敢生病不敢請假這是什麼樣一個職場所以我希望院長還有我們的部長要去整個測查\n\n8\n00:02:53,756 --> 00:03:12,988\n長榮不能只有去查這個個案不是只看這個個案要看整個制度面發生什麼問題了如果我們這麼辛苦的空服員那麼在他健康亮起紅燈的時候公司沒有辦法支持我們的勞基法沒有辦法去支持甚至於長榮如果有漁業勞基法那我們應該怎麼去罰他但是本區去查到在今年度啊\n\n9\n00:03:13,308 --> 00:03:29,103\n我們因為這個超時工作這件事情長榮一次就已經被罰大概180萬左右但是我想如果只是這樣子罰錢對他是不痛不癢應該怎麼徹底去檢討那是不是會後這部長能夠盡快的給我們一個報告跟說明好不好\n\n10\n00:03:29,463 --> 00:03:51,883\n我覺得後續我們會強化專案的勞檢第二個我們也會來督促公司應該跟公會好好的協商因為今天我還有幾個很重要的議題但是這件事情我要拜託您一定要給整個長榮的員工長榮的空服員一個說明跟一個交代讓他們可以安心的來做他們的工作好不好\n\n11\n00:03:53,083 --> 00:04:18,700\n接下來我想進入到直接我來請教一下我們的院長院長我們這個裁劃法我好像有聽到您說院本的裁劃法您要把它提出來是嗎事實上從一開始討論裁劃法的時候行政院一直沒有排斥討論修法我們事實上討論一個中央地方都能夠很合理因為我看到媒體上有寫說我們一直在準備什麼時候會把它提出來這個我要看\n\n12\n00:04:19,963 --> 00:04:45,470\n也要看立法院的進度如何啦因為我們知道就明年的裁判法的現行裁判法在明年度的執行的過程當中現在有一部分有問題那這個問題要不要解決要解決或是不要解決要解決的話什麼時候要來解決所以您會把他提願版的裁判法出來但時間上現在還沒有定是這樣嗎我們隨時準備好但是過程之間還要有一兩道手續就要跟地方再談要跟外界的學者專家再談\n\n13\n00:04:45,950 --> 00:05:14,451\n我想不只一兩道手續其實本席有看到院長您自己也有強調過關於這個新版的財化法這個過程必須要經過所有地方政府同意並且充分討論以符合民主程序那剛剛您另外有提到我們就直接講像我們新版的財化法在計算公式上面有錯誤的部分那誰該負責該負責立法院該要修就要修我覺得這都沒有什麼問題大家本來就應該一起合作去發揮本來去修財化法的一個精神\n\n14\n00:05:15,111 --> 00:05:36,783\n所以我們看到主計總署我們來討論說在修正中央對地方政府的補助辦法的時候我看起來好像沒有依據您所定的標準來做為什麼本席這樣講呢我們看到主計總署在6月2號的時候發函去地方政府去徵詢他們的意見6月6號就要他們去回覆我想主計長其實\n\n15\n00:05:38,964 --> 00:06:05,090\n過去這個應該也做過應該我沒有記錯是台南的主計處的處長有做過地方嘛那你看看只有三個工作天的時間這樣子有充分去徵詢有充分討論嗎本期看一下第一個沒有主計長在討論的是明年的開發法的問題我說的是將來修法的過程我知道但我待會會給您時間回答這是第一個問題那第二個呢也就您剛剛提到就是說我們要跟縣市充分討論不過呢我看起來\n\n16\n00:06:06,550 --> 00:06:31,637\n所有地方政府有沒有徵詢經過他們的同意好像也沒有為什麼如果有的話9月10號那一天我們就不會看到15個縣市聯合來發表這個聲明那像中央也提出了三大訴求那我不知道院長記不記得這三大訴求我簡單跟您提一下也就是統籌分配稅款要合理的分配一般性補助款要回歸公示以及我們已經核定的這個計劃性補助款要能夠保障不要跟動\n\n17\n00:06:33,278 --> 00:06:56,497\n我們看到不管是充分討論或是經過他們的同意顯然都沒有所以我希望這個院長我們做事的標準其實要一致我們不能說這邊做一套那邊做一套所以您這個院本的才化法要出來前我建議您自己所說的要跟地方同意充分討論才能符合民主程序這件事情恐怕要特別去記住它\n\n18\n00:06:57,177 --> 00:07:11,195\n當然我們在15位縣市首長發表共同的講法之後我們有連續兩天跟這個地方的首長在行政院做了兩場的會議那會議我都做了很詳細的筆記所有縣市首長想寫的話我們都詳細的記錄在內\n\n19\n00:07:12,597 --> 00:07:31,803\n那這個部分就當作未來我們要共同去解決那個筆記記起來但是該修正要修正好來那院長我想繼續請教那我們看到這個一般性補助款因為我們知道新版財務法規定我們不可以少於前一年所以今年還是2501億跟去年一樣但不同的是我們之前\n\n20\n00:07:32,503 --> 00:07:48,511\n把它分成四大项目包括收支短叉教育社福基本设施但现在不一样的我们把它分成了三大的项目了那我们看我简单的分一下在406亿跟333亿的社福跟财政短差这个部分没有什么问题不过\n\n21\n00:07:50,992 --> 00:08:08,500\n1764億的這個部分就是大家很爭議的你把它改成申請計劃型的補助我想院長你能夠宣示我們這1764億如果你一定要用這樣的方式我們在這個審核會公開會透明會不分藍綠會沒有私心會這樣子做嗎兩個問題跟兩個答覆一個就是\n\n22\n00:08:11,961 --> 00:08:36,580\n為什麼會這樣處理因為就是要把有一部分是屬於地方自治應辦事項的移給地方來做處理這是一個部分第二個你說的1646億這個部分也可以用設算式的公式的來處理不一定要按案來申請我們會研究這樣的方式我想其實這就是地方擔心不公平不公正所以當然有你的承諾但是要付諸實際的作為那我們再來看我們現在看說\n\n23\n00:08:41,644 --> 00:09:02,421\n虽然这个统筹分配税款好像给地方是4165亿可是事实上不然并没有那么多我们看到中央补助地方县市的公务预算其实我们在这个114年少了整整2146亿这个数字很清楚就是我们少编了本来是4955亿那115年就2809亿\n\n24\n00:09:05,623 --> 00:09:24,712\n所以我們這樣子去加減之後您知道嗎事實上只有2756億是可以留在地方上來讓我們的地方來使用的所以本席在看這件事的時候覺得其實我們原本才化法其實就是希望收支平衡也希望地方的建設能夠做好一點可是現在這個美意恐怕會大打折扣\n\n25\n00:09:25,672 --> 00:09:47,959\n那當然在我們這個整個我舉個例子其實本席在這個整個事情當中我最不能接受三個點第一個點就是我們幼兒就學補助這第一個你要回歸地方縣市政府第二個我們三張EQ的這個食材補助這對我們的孩子來說非常重要第三個我真的覺得就非常誇張就是班班有冷氣的電費\n\n26\n00:09:49,600 --> 00:10:03,148\n院長您應該知道其實這些政策是蔡英文總統時代當時我們的賴總統也是副總統那我們那時候沸沸揚揚都說這個是中央的政績中央的政策我記得很清楚當時我還質詢那個\n\n27\n00:10:05,609 --> 00:10:25,060\n蘇貞昌院長說我們電費會不會有問題不是每個縣市都有辦法負擔電費一旦電費有問題的時候或者電有問題的時候我們的冷氣可能會淪為裝置藝術其實後段這個還被人家斷章取義我們支持這個政策但現在你把它變成中央請客地方買單我覺得這個是我們大家不能接受的\n\n28\n00:10:26,054 --> 00:10:43,753\n當初的斑斑又冷氣的時候就是前一年開始中央因為是在年度中嘛中央來補助給地方的電費那往後幾年是這樣來做但是地方學校的國民中小學還有地方的營養午餐這都是地方自治事項裡面該做的事情\n\n29\n00:10:44,613 --> 00:10:59,681\n這個你很清楚我也很清楚但過去因為都是中央補助原本我想這個同仇分配資產多了以後各地方縣市政府他想要做更多的建設他想要做更多的在地方上的東西可是因為你現在做這樣一個調整以後我覺得整個全部都打\n\n30\n00:10:59,841 --> 00:11:28,821\n可是委員中央的來源稅少了以後我們怎麼還有可能捉與補助這麼多呢我想我今天有一個結論這個東西其實在很多地方很多委員跟你就教過我們在很多地方討論過但我們不要一直雞生蛋蛋生雞財化法通過以後我們只希望怎麼樣讓中央跟地方合作怎麼樣讓地方財政更好但是我覺得千萬不要讓人家覺得今天中央是想要集權又集錢不會沒有那個能力\n\n31\n00:11:29,521 --> 00:11:57,204\n那當然我覺得再講一次就是我們在這個涉算上面的公司錯誤當然立法院可以修不過呢我想行政院其實在這個篡改一般性這個補助款的分配規定上本身希望這個院長也能夠再去看一看有沒有其他的這個方式讓地方不要這麼辛苦好不好那最後我想這一題再請教一下我每次都會問到的我們桃園鐵路地下化桃園鐵路地下化\n\n32\n00:11:58,264 --> 00:12:25,547\n本來到8月31號預定的進度應該有46%不過我們現在看到實際的進度只有33%嚴重落後了12.5%而且這個落後不是現在一下突然這樣落後一直都處於落後的狀態本行每一次都在問那因為落後就要追加預算現在增加了769億那相關的變更計劃其實層層報上來國發會在8月20號也報到了行政院那院長為什麼卡在行政院\n\n33\n00:12:27,543 --> 00:12:54,031\n請部長先說明一下報告委員您剛剛所提到的兩個部分第一個部分是延宕的部分您只要告訴我769億這個變更計畫現在為什麼一直卡在行政院報告委員這個部分我們其實花了一些時間跟桃園市政府大家在針對預算之間大家怎麼樣的比例去分配的部分已經有做協議好來我想那個院長如果現在此時此刻鐵路計畫它進行了這麼久還要去談分配這件事情那是對地方是不公允的這個我們跟地方\n\n34\n00:12:54,691 --> 00:13:18,586\n政府已經談定了這個比例已經談好了除非啦除非是你想要負擔更多要不然你沒有道理還要再去跟地方重談所以我希望兩個點部長也在這裡嚴當的時程怎麼樣把它追回來第二個預算的部分如果這個嚴當責任不在地方本期還是老化重談那應該重量來負擔那最差的狀況也要維持過去2575不能去更改好不好\n\n35\n00:13:18,986 --> 00:13:42,673\n報告委員我們今年已經被明年4165億的統籌分配稅款已經從中央移到地方了我們哪有那麼多錢做同樣的工作況且我們已經舉債4千億院長啊我想啊不要每次都用這樣的講法啦這個是唯一的答案啊這樣子的講法在很多地方其實我覺得都是可以再拿出來討論啦甚至有可能被打臉所以我覺得這個東西\n\n36\n00:13:44,173 --> 00:14:08,861\n你不要再這樣說了你不要再這樣說了如果在鐵路地下化的部分你要用這樣的理由啊我想我們全桃園市的市民都沒有辦法原諒你的所以我們繼續下一題我們看到這個少子化的部分也是嚴重的國安問題那少子化這個院長這個你應該知道從109年開始起我們就邁入了生不如死但現在嚴重到已經連續21個月是負成長那\n\n37\n00:14:12,991 --> 00:14:41,730\n這個五今年的五月份啊更嚴重哦打破了這個最低出生數的一個這個紀錄哦只有這個8433人哦這個少子化我相信行政院我們也也用過很多的方式想要去把這個狀況改善可是看起來哦我們的新生兒是不增反減哦我們來看一下哦行政院也很努力提出了好運三方案那其中一個最近啊大家覺得非常讚許的就是什麼院長生一胎多少錢生育補助\n\n38\n00:14:42,458 --> 00:14:54,763\n就是補各種的社會保險到10萬你就是好運三方愛擴大生育補助裡面生育胎給多少生育胎就補足到10萬元10萬那雙胞胎咧雙胞胎就照算了\n\n39\n00:14:55,285 --> 00:15:15,406\n那算是二十萬對不對三胞胎三十萬這樣最好對不對好那最好但是呢大家都很高興就前兩天人家跟我講說欸委員這個怪怪的第一個呢補助十萬我也不覺得誘因有這麼大就是說為了這十萬塊我就去省但是呢結果才發現您這個政策不是聲音胎補助十萬\n\n40\n00:15:16,567 --> 00:15:40,396\n合併社會保險的生育這個給付合併發放所以這裡我只有要簡單的提醒你們這個政策總是有比較多但是呢我覺得在這個政策的這宣導跟說明上面要精準啊不要讓大家以為啊十一胎就十萬啦兩胎就二十萬啦像運檔講了三胎就三十萬了不是嘛你看如果照你這樣講的話我們用最高勞保級距四萬五千八保險那一級\n\n41\n00:15:40,816 --> 00:16:05,317\n他原本就可以零到九萬一嘛所以他生一胎的時候他是八千四雙胞胎是一萬六他不要以為這裡有雙胞胎要零二十萬所以政策宣導精準一點好不好我們寫的很清楚補足到十萬那這個補足到十萬我們現在經過委員的建議我們說也可以說十萬塊就是給這個生產的媽媽做月子這個月補理十萬塊做月子這個講法也許大家更能夠聽得進去\n\n42\n00:16:06,519 --> 00:16:20,318\n現場我們第一個就是把它精準第二個當然你要另外發十萬我們當然也覺得很好啊那這個發越多我相信其實產婦孕婦大家是歡喜接受好但是我們再來看統籌分配稅管就不要拿那麼多啊我們就多發一點\n\n43\n00:16:21,209 --> 00:16:36,259\n不要再講這樣了院長你今天一整天的表現其實本席覺得還不錯真的有別你以前至少你都是聽得進去了我覺得你今天的表現今天是有加分啦你今天不錯希望繼續保持\n\n44\n00:16:42,463 --> 00:16:59,202\n所以我們再來看育兒津貼也是鼓勵生育很重要的我們在110年的時候我們把它調整到每個月有個五千塊的育兒津貼很棒但經過四年了這四年我覺得通貨膨脹這個經濟的各項的因素那院長有沒有考慮我們把育兒津貼明年加碼\n\n45\n00:17:02,279 --> 00:17:16,726\n加碼都要比較周圓性的考量不是單就某一個社會福利單項來做加碼我們可以比較周圓性的考量政策性全面往上提升我們請部長真的來研究一下好不好以這個五線為基礎我們看看有沒有加碼的空間\n\n46\n00:17:17,466 --> 00:17:40,641\n那接下來我們再看到生育補助跟這個育兒補助之外友善育嬰職場也非常的重要所以呢我們看到勞動部也在努力啊所以推出了彈性育嬰假就是呢我們的勞工可以有30天的育嬰假按日請假然後我們的家庭照顧假可以按小時請假有這個彈性好不好好但是呢我們這些都是無薪的都是沒有薪水的很多的\n\n47\n00:17:41,935 --> 00:17:58,409\n這個是有薪有津貼的所以他們請假照樣是有薪當然家庭照顧假是沒有薪水的但是彈性的暈流廳以至來請政府是會給八成的薪資頭髮薪資的津貼我們會給八成所以第一個是八成薪第二個是無薪\n\n48\n00:17:59,170 --> 00:18:25,098\n那不论如何有很多人会觉得每一份薪水他都是希望能够领好领满所以这时候会不会用到这是一个第二个呢会不会大家会觉得那不然我就请你特休也就算了所以呢我想即将上路但是我们去评估他的效果到哪里但是呢我给各位一个建议我觉得除了这个弹性价之外我们来看到如果我们可以去延长育婴津贴的请领总月数现在是几个月\n\n49\n00:18:26,923 --> 00:18:49,013\n是六個月六個月我們來看看有沒有空間如果今天可以提高加一個月加兩個月我覺得這個誘因其實會更大那另外我們的有薪家庭照顧假的七天我希望這一點能夠比到公務員來做那我想這個院長其實院長你知不知道現在家庭照顧假跟育嬰假在我們來說現在是一國兩制一國兩制\n\n50\n00:18:50,385 --> 00:19:05,218\n不同身份嗎部長告訴院長為什麼一國兩制確實現在勞工的家庭照顧價是無薪的那我們當然也有考慮是不是要能夠有薪可是這個可能要從兩個角度要不就是企業出要不是政府出\n\n51\n00:19:05,578 --> 00:19:24,150\n就是簡單來講齁您剛剛也嚇一跳對不對好我告訴您齁家庭照顧假我們的公務員員七天有薪的對不對齁但是勞工不是不懂身份嘛好再來呢我們的祖父母如果來申請育嬰留職停薪因為現在很多孩子祖父母在帶的齁\n\n52\n00:19:25,071 --> 00:19:49,154\n那目前考試院也要放寬了公務人員可以請預生假但是勞工一樣沒有所以其實本席也已經提案去修正性別工作平等法20條16條我們希望能夠給勞工朋友7天的有薪家庭照顧假也希望同步的開放可以請祖父母的預生假那院長你認不認同本席這樣的修法\n\n53\n00:19:50,818 --> 00:20:20,181\n院長你認同嗎先讓部長說明一下政策的考量如果要家庭照顧假有心的話就是兩個方面要嘛是政府出要嘛是企業出那當然政府出現在的財務是比較困難如果政府挺企業企業就會挺勞工所以很多方式可以做的部長你要去想一想包括如果這個相關的政策補助相關的租稅優惠等等你要去思考看看有什麼方式我們挺企業企業去挺勞工好不好\n\n54\n00:20:20,501 --> 00:20:38,569\n好那接下來呢我想繼續就叫來那個院長我們現在是不是賴總統有提到說家庭只要一個小孩我們就可以聘請外勞你知道這件事嗎有在演繹這個方向你同意嗎我們願意朝這個方向來你贊成嗎\n\n55\n00:20:39,878 --> 00:20:57,692\n我個人是認為就照顧小孩來看是需要的可以讓婦女也能夠多負擔一些工作我們現在確實在評估這個政策在評估中我想這樣子喔當然總統講出來的話我不能在這裡問你你贊不贊成太為難你了\n\n56\n00:20:58,132 --> 00:21:21,117\n但你要發揮你的專業告訴他這樣好或不好我想我們現在就是有這個保姆啦、托嬰中心啦如果你這樣放寬其實它是會衝擊的所以我希望這個你能發揮你的專業跟這個總統這邊溝通一下再來我想一樣就教一下我們會把本國的就業員一起思考在這個政策的規劃裡面我們的護理師荒\n\n57\n00:21:24,801 --> 00:21:51,653\n護理師對護理師荒我們看到我們護理人員的總職業率現在只剩下62%關床潮非常的嚴重但是院長您知不知道我們現在這一次賴總統提到說我們有幫公立醫院的醫護人員加薪最多到11%但是事實上這個基層其實大家不買單因為加薪無感為什麼因為我們這一次是只有加公立醫院的公職醫護人員的專業加級\n\n58\n00:21:53,954 --> 00:22:08,064\n而且在公立醫院裡頭不是所有的醫護人員都有加那我們來看到現在我們的部立醫院7982名護理人員當中有6027個他不是公職的護理人員所以他沒有專業佳績他當然沒辦法加薪\n\n59\n00:22:08,965 --> 00:22:38,177\n所以這一院兩制怪不怪當然奇怪啊大家同樣一樣在不立院工作啊那所以衛福部也曾經說過說賴總統卓院長要支持公立醫院留才啦所以我們給這個加薪但是真的留才有留到嗎我們來看一下這個表格我們整體的離職率值得稱讚一下我們整體的離職率從13.19%降到了10.45%但是不值得不值得高興為什麼你看到非公職的離職率的占比都是九成多啊\n\n60\n00:22:38,757 --> 00:23:01,787\n所以你要解決這個問題嗎那部長我因為時間的關係我待會還有一題很重要這一題我請那個院長能不能指示部長我覺得我們來研究一下那我們怎麼樣讓非公職的醫護人員也可以來調性的方案那會後給我這個部分那我們才夠讓所有的醫護人員在同一個醫院裡面的薪資能夠大家一起都來加薪但公立醫院應該要一致標準\n\n61\n00:23:02,727 --> 00:23:31,762\n跟委員報告我們行政院核定從今年開始4年的護理人力的12項策略是編列275億第一年就投入68.85億所以這裡面包含了夜班津貼還有這個三班護育平台部長部長我想我幫護理人員請命而且我幫護理人員請命而且不同意一院兩制那你會後麻煩你詳細的這個政策資料一份送到本席辦公室來好嗎\n\n62\n00:23:33,903 --> 00:23:59,592\n接下來本席最在意的來我們教育部我們的教師黃院長我們現在全台灣累計有22萬6千多的教師證取得的老師但是這當中有高達7萬4千多人沒有在教育現場擔任教師你知道這個數字是多麼嚴重的教育上的損失嗎\n\n63\n00:24:01,233 --> 00:24:28,868\n國家投入了這麼多的資源人力去栽培但是他們卻沒有進入這個職場那我們再看到從108年到112年過去的5年來比較我們的任教率節節敗退從70.95%一直掉一直掉掉到只剩下60%有4成的人不願意進來那什麼原因我們等一下來討論所以我們看到正式的老師招不滿代理代課的老師找不到\n\n64\n00:24:30,168 --> 00:24:51,050\n教師荒的問題很嚴重啊那不能說我有在想辦法解決可是問題他就是擺在眼前那我們再來看到我們剛剛也講到戴里克教師之前有個數字說這個差八千人我看教育部很不服氣說沒有八千啊兩百七十幾人啊部長這兩百七十幾人怎麼補起來的很多教師\n\n65\n00:24:52,091 --> 00:25:21,671\n可能是不得已可能是人情可能是被迫抄中帖上課退休老師也要挖回來來幫忙所以才降了一個漂亮數字給大家看可是我們不能這樣子啊對不對我們的問題要把它掃出來去根本解決這種救急的方式不是長遠之道所以呢我們看到這一次謝謝我們大家一起努力我們讓教師節既紀念又放假給老師是一種尊重也讓他們可以休養生息但有很多老師教師節那一天他沒有休息他幹嘛來到這個教育部門口抗議啊\n\n66\n00:25:22,391 --> 00:25:43,565\n對不對那他們抗議的五點院長知道是哪五點嗎請委員指教那個報告主席這時候用上了沒有問題時間暫停等您放好不好好OK繼續對\n\n67\n00:25:48,683 --> 00:26:07,329\n好給一點時間讓院長看一下這五點我特別把那一天這些老師到教育部門口所陳情抗議的訴求今天帶到院長的面前讓院長重視知道這些問題今天我擇幾個比較重要的問題跟您討論第一個\n\n68\n00:26:09,130 --> 00:26:34,587\n基本薪资我们过去看到我们非常挺劳工朋友过去的10年我们的劳工朋友每一年我们都想办法帮他调薪但是我们看到我们的全国老师的期待总是一再落空连我们薪资审议的法制化都一直没有做包括我们人事行政总处这113年5月说那一年的年底我们就要把它法制化要把这个草案已经送到行政院了\n\n69\n00:26:34,867 --> 00:26:43,840\n但行政院還卡著所以院長我們有沒有辦法在今年的年底之前把這個修正的草案報到立法院來進行審議因為薪資這件事真的非常重要\n\n70\n00:26:44,787 --> 00:27:04,781\n可以嗎我再去參看看這個流程現在怎麼樣我記憶當中我沒有我沒有真的看到過這樣的來那院長我拜託您回去看一下好不好部長有沒有送這個案子好我們把這件事記住回去看一下第二個剛剛談的是薪資現在談的是更可憐的終點費終點費院長35年來只有調整過一次\n\n71\n00:27:09,484 --> 00:27:37,058\n35年來就調整過一次我們看到基本公司的工資的漲幅在過去這10年來在過去這20年來漲幅高達了187.9%這大家努力照顧我們的勞工朋友們可是我們看到國小老師的這個終點只有調整了29.2%國中跟高中老師的征服更只有5%而已所以院長這樣的薪資這樣終點分你怎麼留得住教師人才\n\n72\n00:27:38,078 --> 00:27:56,665\n怎麼留得住啦是不是那再來如果我們不解決這些問題教師荒是沒有辦法解決的我們再看到這點我跟部長這邊提一下我們在明年二月我們有沒有確定要調高特教就過去我們一直在討論的特教的這個職務的加級確不確定明年二月一定會調整現場已經批了\n\n73\n00:27:57,705 --> 00:28:10,897\n好院長已經批了謝謝院長1800調到2800但是呢我提醒部長跟院長我們還有導師職務加級導師職務加級也已經非常多年沒有調整了我們能不能一併提出這個具體的調整計劃\n\n74\n00:28:12,694 --> 00:28:30,196\n部長你把它你把它擬一下我們一樣給院長看好不好我們導師的家籍的部分好不好好謝謝那再來呢我們再來看到就是行政減量的工作行政減量我過去我們已經努力了10年但行政工作一樣繁重那個院長\n\n75\n00:28:30,697 --> 00:28:45,005\n待會資訊結束後我要把這一點資料送給你你不要看它好像不是太厚的一點資料裡面數百項都是我們的各處事我們的主任我們的組長我們的導師數百項的行政工作在這裡\n\n76\n00:28:45,825 --> 00:29:00,860\n我們要知道這幾年不管是12年國教也好108新課綱也好重新上路一個政策我們的教法我們的升學制度要改變的時候我們所有的行政的作業多到真的太可怕了所以更不要去講說我們今天什麼\n\n77\n00:29:02,862 --> 00:29:27,562\n減少訪視評鑑什麼公文要減量其實真的沒有做到我們有沒有做有但是沒有做到所以我要拜託我們今天教室工會所講的我們希望行政專職化部長我們一樣能不能你把行政專職化可行性可能性把它提出來我們趕快來做請院長來支持好不好最後一點校事會議\n\n78\n00:29:29,924 --> 00:29:55,936\n消失會議的檢討因為我時間剩的不夠部長我們去討論一下消失會議因為有八成的老師說現在已經形成了一種性癱恐怖有八成的人都曾經受過消失會議這樣子恐怖的一個經驗不管是自身還是別人所以未來我想我們對於匿名或是空辦指控這個部分我們要怎麼做然後要不要建立公開透明的制度都要把它做好來最後部長\n\n79\n00:29:58,957 --> 00:30:10,905\n你寫了一封信給所有的老師但我希望你不要只有寄信給他們能不能找一個時間讓全國的教師公會派代表一起能夠跟你來面談他們所訴求的這些點你可以把時間播出來嗎我想這個政策的一個形式我們是非常歡迎各個不同的一個特別老師我也覺得給中南溫馨在跟老師的過關\n\n80\n00:30:27,125 --> 00:30:34,135\n好那謝謝部長就來安排一個時間的話那現在這個因為疫情的事情我都把配置資料給\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n11330\t11790\t范委員好\n33288\t55242\t院長進入到今天我本來準備的總諮詢之前我想要先跟您討論一個我想這兩天您應該有看到長榮航空有一個空服員不幸離世但這件事情不管是在職場上在網路上討論得沸沸揚揚甚至於現在已經有在網路上指出這個有可能是叫做制度殺人我覺得本席看到這個標題的時候其實非常驚訝\n59325\t80667\t因為這個標題非常的嚴重但是本席也接到很多長榮的空服員來跟本席澄清跟檢舉也提到說在這一次當中其實它或許不是一個個案或是個別原因所造成的非常有可能是因為制度制度到底出了什麼問題他們就在講現在不敢生病生病了不敢請假為什麼\n81107\t107854\t因為長榮現在疑似是不是有這樣的狀況說如果今天有請假的情況產生你請一天兩天可能你整個績效的排名就會在你這個職別級的那個地方可能就會到倒數的地方去了那如果你住院萬一你不小心是住院哇你可能在整個全體的組員當中你可能排到最後面去了那這個考機排到最後面去有什麼影響第一個可能未來除了這個日新沒有之外\n108314\t127187\t未來你的這個年終獎金那你各項的升遷更嚴重的是本來還有他們的福利像這種員工票通通禁止使用等等所以變得沒有人敢請假那所以這個院長您知道這件事情嗎當然知道這媒體都報的很多我們也持續的關心是 那個部長現在了解的狀況是怎麼樣\n128915\t145476\t跟萬元說明 當然我們現在還在相關的調查之中所以還沒有一個結論出來 對嗎我今天早上其實已經有表達第一個我們在這個議題上我們非常重視不會只聽公司的一方之言\n146317\t171554\t那我們會來跟相關的這些機組員也包括相關的利害相關人跟工會來做訪談來把完整的狀況做一個清楚的了解所以今天我想本席提供這個我相信你其實在有些地方有看到但是我們是扎實的得到很多的空服員來跟我們的陳情他們覺得他們其實非常的痛苦不敢生病不敢請假這是什麼樣一個職場所以我希望院長還有我們的部長要去整個測查\n173756\t192988\t長榮不能只有去查這個個案不是只看這個個案要看整個制度面發生什麼問題了如果我們這麼辛苦的空服員那麼在他健康亮起紅燈的時候公司沒有辦法支持我們的勞基法沒有辦法去支持甚至於長榮如果有漁業勞基法那我們應該怎麼去罰他但是本區去查到在今年度啊\n193308\t209103\t我們因為這個超時工作這件事情長榮一次就已經被罰大概180萬左右但是我想如果只是這樣子罰錢對他是不痛不癢應該怎麼徹底去檢討那是不是會後這部長能夠盡快的給我們一個報告跟說明好不好\n209463\t231883\t我覺得後續我們會強化專案的勞檢第二個我們也會來督促公司應該跟公會好好的協商因為今天我還有幾個很重要的議題但是這件事情我要拜託您一定要給整個長榮的員工長榮的空服員一個說明跟一個交代讓他們可以安心的來做他們的工作好不好\n233083\t258700\t接下來我想進入到直接我來請教一下我們的院長院長我們這個裁劃法我好像有聽到您說院本的裁劃法您要把它提出來是嗎事實上從一開始討論裁劃法的時候行政院一直沒有排斥討論修法我們事實上討論一個中央地方都能夠很合理因為我看到媒體上有寫說我們一直在準備什麼時候會把它提出來這個我要看\n259963\t285470\t也要看立法院的進度如何啦因為我們知道就明年的裁判法的現行裁判法在明年度的執行的過程當中現在有一部分有問題那這個問題要不要解決要解決或是不要解決要解決的話什麼時候要來解決所以您會把他提願版的裁判法出來但時間上現在還沒有定是這樣嗎我們隨時準備好但是過程之間還要有一兩道手續就要跟地方再談要跟外界的學者專家再談\n285950\t314451\t我想不只一兩道手續其實本席有看到院長您自己也有強調過關於這個新版的財化法這個過程必須要經過所有地方政府同意並且充分討論以符合民主程序那剛剛您另外有提到我們就直接講像我們新版的財化法在計算公式上面有錯誤的部分那誰該負責該負責立法院該要修就要修我覺得這都沒有什麼問題大家本來就應該一起合作去發揮本來去修財化法的一個精神\n315111\t336783\t所以我們看到主計總署我們來討論說在修正中央對地方政府的補助辦法的時候我看起來好像沒有依據您所定的標準來做為什麼本席這樣講呢我們看到主計總署在6月2號的時候發函去地方政府去徵詢他們的意見6月6號就要他們去回覆我想主計長其實\n338964\t365090\t過去這個應該也做過應該我沒有記錯是台南的主計處的處長有做過地方嘛那你看看只有三個工作天的時間這樣子有充分去徵詢有充分討論嗎本期看一下第一個沒有主計長在討論的是明年的開發法的問題我說的是將來修法的過程我知道但我待會會給您時間回答這是第一個問題那第二個呢也就您剛剛提到就是說我們要跟縣市充分討論不過呢我看起來\n366550\t391637\t所有地方政府有沒有徵詢經過他們的同意好像也沒有為什麼如果有的話9月10號那一天我們就不會看到15個縣市聯合來發表這個聲明那像中央也提出了三大訴求那我不知道院長記不記得這三大訴求我簡單跟您提一下也就是統籌分配稅款要合理的分配一般性補助款要回歸公示以及我們已經核定的這個計劃性補助款要能夠保障不要跟動\n393278\t416497\t我們看到不管是充分討論或是經過他們的同意顯然都沒有所以我希望這個院長我們做事的標準其實要一致我們不能說這邊做一套那邊做一套所以您這個院本的才化法要出來前我建議您自己所說的要跟地方同意充分討論才能符合民主程序這件事情恐怕要特別去記住它\n417177\t431195\t當然我們在15位縣市首長發表共同的講法之後我們有連續兩天跟這個地方的首長在行政院做了兩場的會議那會議我都做了很詳細的筆記所有縣市首長想寫的話我們都詳細的記錄在內\n432597\t451803\t那這個部分就當作未來我們要共同去解決那個筆記記起來但是該修正要修正好來那院長我想繼續請教那我們看到這個一般性補助款因為我們知道新版財務法規定我們不可以少於前一年所以今年還是2501億跟去年一樣但不同的是我們之前\n452503\t468511\t把它分成四大项目包括收支短叉教育社福基本设施但现在不一样的我们把它分成了三大的项目了那我们看我简单的分一下在406亿跟333亿的社福跟财政短差这个部分没有什么问题不过\n470992\t488500\t1764億的這個部分就是大家很爭議的你把它改成申請計劃型的補助我想院長你能夠宣示我們這1764億如果你一定要用這樣的方式我們在這個審核會公開會透明會不分藍綠會沒有私心會這樣子做嗎兩個問題跟兩個答覆一個就是\n491961\t516580\t為什麼會這樣處理因為就是要把有一部分是屬於地方自治應辦事項的移給地方來做處理這是一個部分第二個你說的1646億這個部分也可以用設算式的公式的來處理不一定要按案來申請我們會研究這樣的方式我想其實這就是地方擔心不公平不公正所以當然有你的承諾但是要付諸實際的作為那我們再來看我們現在看說\n521644\t542421\t虽然这个统筹分配税款好像给地方是4165亿可是事实上不然并没有那么多我们看到中央补助地方县市的公务预算其实我们在这个114年少了整整2146亿这个数字很清楚就是我们少编了本来是4955亿那115年就2809亿\n545623\t564712\t所以我們這樣子去加減之後您知道嗎事實上只有2756億是可以留在地方上來讓我們的地方來使用的所以本席在看這件事的時候覺得其實我們原本才化法其實就是希望收支平衡也希望地方的建設能夠做好一點可是現在這個美意恐怕會大打折扣\n565672\t587959\t那當然在我們這個整個我舉個例子其實本席在這個整個事情當中我最不能接受三個點第一個點就是我們幼兒就學補助這第一個你要回歸地方縣市政府第二個我們三張EQ的這個食材補助這對我們的孩子來說非常重要第三個我真的覺得就非常誇張就是班班有冷氣的電費\n589600\t603148\t院長您應該知道其實這些政策是蔡英文總統時代當時我們的賴總統也是副總統那我們那時候沸沸揚揚都說這個是中央的政績中央的政策我記得很清楚當時我還質詢那個\n605609\t625060\t蘇貞昌院長說我們電費會不會有問題不是每個縣市都有辦法負擔電費一旦電費有問題的時候或者電有問題的時候我們的冷氣可能會淪為裝置藝術其實後段這個還被人家斷章取義我們支持這個政策但現在你把它變成中央請客地方買單我覺得這個是我們大家不能接受的\n626054\t643753\t當初的斑斑又冷氣的時候就是前一年開始中央因為是在年度中嘛中央來補助給地方的電費那往後幾年是這樣來做但是地方學校的國民中小學還有地方的營養午餐這都是地方自治事項裡面該做的事情\n644613\t659681\t這個你很清楚我也很清楚但過去因為都是中央補助原本我想這個同仇分配資產多了以後各地方縣市政府他想要做更多的建設他想要做更多的在地方上的東西可是因為你現在做這樣一個調整以後我覺得整個全部都打\n659841\t688821\t可是委員中央的來源稅少了以後我們怎麼還有可能捉與補助這麼多呢我想我今天有一個結論這個東西其實在很多地方很多委員跟你就教過我們在很多地方討論過但我們不要一直雞生蛋蛋生雞財化法通過以後我們只希望怎麼樣讓中央跟地方合作怎麼樣讓地方財政更好但是我覺得千萬不要讓人家覺得今天中央是想要集權又集錢不會 沒有那個能力\n689521\t717204\t那當然我覺得再講一次就是我們在這個涉算上面的公司錯誤當然立法院可以修不過呢我想行政院其實在這個篡改一般性這個補助款的分配規定上本身希望這個院長也能夠再去看一看有沒有其他的這個方式讓地方不要這麼辛苦好不好那最後我想這一題再請教一下我每次都會問到的我們桃園鐵路地下化桃園鐵路地下化\n718264\t745547\t本來到8月31號預定的進度應該有46%不過我們現在看到實際的進度只有33%嚴重落後了12.5%而且這個落後不是現在一下突然這樣落後一直都處於落後的狀態本行每一次都在問那因為落後就要追加預算現在增加了769億那相關的變更計劃其實層層報上來國發會在8月20號也報到了行政院那院長為什麼卡在行政院\n747543\t774031\t請部長先說明一下報告委員您剛剛所提到的兩個部分第一個部分是延宕的部分您只要告訴我769億這個變更計畫現在為什麼一直卡在行政院報告委員這個部分我們其實花了一些時間跟桃園市政府大家在針對預算之間大家怎麼樣的比例去分配的部分已經有做協議好來我想那個院長如果現在此時此刻鐵路計畫它進行了這麼久還要去談分配這件事情那是對地方是不公允的這個我們跟地方\n774691\t798586\t政府已經談定了 這個比例已經談好了除非啦 除非是你想要負擔更多要不然你沒有道理 還要再去跟地方重談所以我希望兩個點 部長也在這裡嚴當的時程 怎麼樣把它追回來第二個 預算的部分如果這個嚴當責任不在地方 本期還是老化重談那應該重量來負擔那最差的狀況也要維持過去25 75不能去更改 好不好\n798986\t822673\t報告委員 我們今年已經被明年4165億的統籌分配稅款已經從中央移到地方了我們哪有那麼多錢做同樣的工作況且我們已經舉債4千億院長啊 我想啊不要每次都用這樣的講法啦這個是唯一的答案啊這樣子的講法在很多地方其實我覺得都是可以再拿出來討論啦甚至有可能被打臉所以我覺得這個東西\n824173\t848861\t你不要再這樣說了你不要再這樣說了如果在鐵路地下化的部分你要用這樣的理由啊我想我們全桃園市的市民都沒有辦法原諒你的所以我們繼續下一題我們看到這個少子化的部分也是嚴重的國安問題那少子化這個院長這個你應該知道從109年開始起我們就邁入了生不如死但現在嚴重到已經連續21個月是負成長那\n852991\t881730\t這個五今年的五月份啊更嚴重哦打破了這個最低出生數的一個這個紀錄哦只有這個8433人哦這個少子化我相信行政院我們也也用過很多的方式想要去把這個狀況改善可是看起來哦我們的新生兒是不增反減哦我們來看一下哦行政院也很努力提出了好運三方案那其中一個最近啊大家覺得非常讚許的就是什麼院長生一胎多少錢生育補助\n882458\t894763\t就是補各種的社會保險到10萬你就是好運三方愛擴大生育補助裡面生育胎給多少生育胎就補足到10萬元10萬那雙胞胎咧雙胞胎就照算了\n895285\t915406\t那算是二十萬對不對三胞胎三十萬這樣最好對不對好那最好但是呢大家都很高興就前兩天人家跟我講說欸委員這個怪怪的第一個呢補助十萬我也不覺得誘因有這麼大就是說為了這十萬塊我就去省但是呢結果才發現您這個政策不是聲音胎補助十萬\n916567\t940396\t合併社會保險的生育這個給付合併發放所以這裡我只有要簡單的提醒你們這個政策總是有比較多但是呢我覺得在這個政策的這宣導跟說明上面要精準啊不要讓大家以為啊十一胎就十萬啦兩胎就二十萬啦像運檔講了三胎就三十萬了不是嘛你看如果照你這樣講的話我們用最高勞保級距四萬五千八保險那一級\n940816\t965317\t他原本就可以零到九萬一嘛所以他生一胎的時候他是八千四雙胞胎是一萬六他不要以為這裡有雙胞胎要零二十萬所以政策宣導精準一點好不好我們寫的很清楚補足到十萬那這個補足到十萬我們現在經過委員的建議我們說也可以說十萬塊就是給這個生產的媽媽做月子這個月補理十萬塊做月子這個講法也許大家更能夠聽得進去\n966519\t980318\t現場我們第一個就是把它精準第二個當然你要另外發十萬我們當然也覺得很好啊那這個發越多我相信其實產婦孕婦大家是歡喜接受好 但是我們再來看統籌分配稅管就不要拿那麼多啊我們就多發一點\n981209\t996259\t不要再講這樣了 院長你今天一整天的表現其實本席覺得還不錯真的有別你以前至少你都是聽得進去了我覺得你今天的表現今天是有加分啦你今天不錯 希望繼續保持\n1002463\t1019202\t所以我們再來看育兒津貼也是鼓勵生育很重要的我們在110年的時候我們把它調整到每個月有個五千塊的育兒津貼很棒但經過四年了這四年我覺得通貨膨脹這個經濟的各項的因素那院長有沒有考慮我們把育兒津貼明年加碼\n1022279\t1036726\t加碼都要比較周圓性的考量不是單就某一個社會福利單項來做加碼我們可以比較周圓性的考量政策性全面往上提升我們請部長真的來研究一下好不好以這個五線為基礎我們看看有沒有加碼的空間\n1037466\t1060641\t那接下來我們再看到生育補助跟這個育兒補助之外友善育嬰職場也非常的重要所以呢我們看到勞動部也在努力啊所以推出了彈性育嬰假就是呢我們的勞工可以有30天的育嬰假按日請假然後我們的家庭照顧假可以按小時請假有這個彈性好不好好但是呢我們這些都是無薪的都是沒有薪水的很多的\n1061935\t1078409\t這個是有薪有津貼的所以他們請假照樣是有薪當然家庭照顧假是沒有薪水的但是彈性的暈流廳以至來請政府是會給八成的薪資頭髮薪資的津貼我們會給八成所以第一個是八成薪第二個是無薪\n1079170\t1105098\t那不论如何有很多人会觉得每一份薪水他都是希望能够领好领满所以这时候会不会用到这是一个第二个呢会不会大家会觉得那不然我就请你特休也就算了所以呢我想即将上路但是我们去评估他的效果到哪里但是呢我给各位一个建议我觉得除了这个弹性价之外我们来看到如果我们可以去延长育婴津贴的请领总月数现在是几个月\n1106923\t1129013\t是六個月六個月我們來看看有沒有空間如果今天可以提高加一個月加兩個月我覺得這個誘因其實會更大那另外我們的有薪家庭照顧假的七天我希望這一點能夠比到公務員來做那我想這個院長其實院長你知不知道現在家庭照顧假跟育嬰假在我們來說現在是一國兩制一國兩制\n1130385\t1145218\t不同身份嗎部長告訴院長為什麼一國兩制確實現在勞工的家庭照顧價是無薪的那我們當然也有考慮是不是要能夠有薪可是這個可能要從兩個角度要不就是企業出要不是政府出\n1145578\t1164150\t就是簡單來講齁您剛剛也嚇一跳對不對好我告訴您齁家庭照顧假我們的公務員員七天有薪的對不對齁但是勞工不是不懂身份嘛好再來呢我們的祖父母如果來申請育嬰留職停薪因為現在很多孩子祖父母在帶的齁\n1165071\t1189154\t那目前考試院也要放寬了公務人員可以請預生假但是勞工一樣沒有所以其實本席也已經提案去修正性別工作平等法20條16條我們希望能夠給勞工朋友7天的有薪家庭照顧假也希望同步的開放可以請祖父母的預生假那院長你認不認同本席這樣的修法\n1190818\t1220181\t院長你認同嗎先讓部長說明一下政策的考量如果要家庭照顧假有心的話就是兩個方面要嘛是政府出要嘛是企業出那當然政府出現在的財務是比較困難如果政府挺企業企業就會挺勞工所以很多方式可以做的部長你要去想一想包括如果這個相關的政策補助相關的租稅優惠等等你要去思考看看有什麼方式我們挺企業企業去挺勞工好不好\n1220501\t1238569\t好那接下來呢我想繼續就叫來那個院長我們現在是不是賴總統有提到說家庭只要一個小孩我們就可以聘請外勞你知道這件事嗎有在演繹這個方向你同意嗎我們願意朝這個方向來你贊成嗎\n1239878\t1257692\t我個人是認為就照顧小孩來看是需要的可以讓婦女也能夠多負擔一些工作我們現在確實在評估這個政策在評估中我想這樣子喔當然總統講出來的話我不能在這裡問你你贊不贊成 太為難你了\n1258132\t1281117\t但你要發揮你的專業告訴他這樣好或不好我想我們現在就是有這個保姆啦、托嬰中心啦如果你這樣放寬其實它是會衝擊的所以我希望這個你能發揮你的專業跟這個總統這邊溝通一下再來我想一樣就教一下我們會把本國的就業員一起思考在這個政策的規劃裡面我們的護理師荒\n1284801\t1311653\t護理師對護理師荒我們看到我們護理人員的總職業率現在只剩下62%關床潮非常的嚴重但是院長您知不知道我們現在這一次賴總統提到說我們有幫公立醫院的醫護人員加薪最多到11%但是事實上這個基層其實大家不買單因為加薪無感為什麼因為我們這一次是只有加公立醫院的公職醫護人員的專業加級\n1313954\t1328064\t而且在公立醫院裡頭不是所有的醫護人員都有加那我們來看到現在我們的部立醫院7982名護理人員當中有6027個他不是公職的護理人員所以他沒有專業佳績他當然沒辦法加薪\n1328965\t1358177\t所以這一院兩制怪不怪當然奇怪啊大家同樣一樣在不立院工作啊那所以衛福部也曾經說過說賴總統卓院長要支持公立醫院留才啦所以我們給這個加薪但是真的留才有留到嗎我們來看一下這個表格我們整體的離職率值得稱讚一下我們整體的離職率從13.19%降到了10.45%但是不值得不值得高興為什麼你看到非公職的離職率的占比都是九成多啊\n1358757\t1381787\t所以你要解決這個問題嗎那部長我因為時間的關係我待會還有一題很重要這一題我請那個院長能不能指示部長我覺得我們來研究一下那我們怎麼樣讓非公職的醫護人員也可以來調性的方案那會後給我這個部分那我們才夠讓所有的醫護人員在同一個醫院裡面的薪資能夠大家一起都來加薪但公立醫院應該要一致標準\n1382727\t1411762\t跟委員報告我們行政院核定從今年開始4年的護理人力的12項策略是編列275億第一年就投入68.85億所以這裡面包含了夜班津貼還有這個三班護育平台部長部長我想我幫護理人員請命而且我幫護理人員請命而且不同意一院兩制那你會後麻煩你詳細的這個政策資料一份送到本席辦公室來好嗎\n1413903\t1439592\t接下來本席最在意的來我們教育部我們的教師黃院長我們現在全台灣累計有22萬6千多的教師證取得的老師但是這當中有高達7萬4千多人沒有在教育現場擔任教師你知道這個數字是多麼嚴重的教育上的損失嗎\n1441233\t1468868\t國家投入了這麼多的資源人力去栽培但是他們卻沒有進入這個職場那我們再看到從108年到112年過去的5年來比較我們的任教率節節敗退從70.95%一直掉一直掉掉到只剩下60%有4成的人不願意進來那什麼原因我們等一下來討論所以我們看到正式的老師招不滿代理代課的老師找不到\n1470168\t1491050\t教師荒的問題很嚴重啊那不能說我有在想辦法解決可是問題他就是擺在眼前那我們再來看到我們剛剛也講到戴里克教師之前有個數字說這個差八千人我看教育部很不服氣說沒有八千啊兩百七十幾人啊部長這兩百七十幾人怎麼補起來的很多教師\n1492091\t1521671\t可能是不得已可能是人情可能是被迫抄中帖上課退休老師也要挖回來來幫忙所以才降了一個漂亮數字給大家看可是我們不能這樣子啊對不對我們的問題要把它掃出來去根本解決這種救急的方式不是長遠之道所以呢我們看到這一次謝謝我們大家一起努力我們讓教師節既紀念又放假給老師是一種尊重也讓他們可以休養生息但有很多老師教師節那一天他沒有休息他幹嘛來到這個教育部門口抗議啊\n1522391\t1543565\t對不對 那他們抗議的五點院長知道是哪五點嗎請委員指教那個報告主席這時候用上了沒有問題 時間暫停 等您放 好不好好OK 繼續 對\n1548683\t1567329\t好 給一點時間讓院長看一下這五點我特別把那一天這些老師到教育部門口所陳情抗議的訴求今天帶到院長的面前讓院長重視知道這些問題今天我擇幾個比較重要的問題跟您討論第一個\n1569130\t1594587\t基本薪资我们过去看到我们非常挺劳工朋友过去的10年我们的劳工朋友每一年我们都想办法帮他调薪但是我们看到我们的全国老师的期待总是一再落空连我们薪资审议的法制化都一直没有做包括我们人事行政总处这113年5月说那一年的年底我们就要把它法制化要把这个草案已经送到行政院了\n1594867\t1603840\t但行政院還卡著所以院長我們有沒有辦法在今年的年底之前把這個修正的草案報到立法院來進行審議因為薪資這件事真的非常重要\n1604787\t1624781\t可以嗎我再去參看看這個流程現在怎麼樣我記憶當中我沒有我沒有真的看到過這樣的來那院長我拜託您回去看一下好不好部長有沒有送這個案子好我們把這件事記住回去看一下第二個剛剛談的是薪資現在談的是更可憐的終點費終點費院長35年來只有調整過一次\n1629484\t1657058\t35年來就調整過一次我們看到基本公司的工資的漲幅在過去這10年來在過去這20年來漲幅高達了187.9%這大家努力照顧我們的勞工朋友們可是我們看到國小老師的這個終點只有調整了29.2%國中跟高中老師的征服更只有5%而已所以院長這樣的薪資這樣終點分你怎麼留得住教師人才\n1658078\t1676665\t怎麼留得住啦是不是那再來如果我們不解決這些問題教師荒是沒有辦法解決的我們再看到這點我跟部長這邊提一下我們在明年二月我們有沒有確定要調高特教就過去我們一直在討論的特教的這個職務的加級確不確定明年二月一定會調整現場已經批了\n1677705\t1690897\t好 院長已經批了謝謝院長1800調到2800但是呢我提醒部長跟院長我們還有導師職務加級導師職務加級也已經非常多年沒有調整了我們能不能一併提出這個具體的調整計劃\n1692694\t1710196\t部長你把它你把它擬一下我們一樣給院長看好不好我們導師的家籍的部分好不好好謝謝那再來呢我們再來看到就是行政減量的工作行政減量我過去我們已經努力了10年但行政工作一樣繁重那個院長\n1710697\t1725005\t待會資訊結束後我要把這一點資料送給你你不要看它好像不是太厚的一點資料裡面數百項都是我們的各處事我們的主任我們的組長我們的導師數百項的行政工作在這裡\n1725825\t1740860\t我們要知道這幾年不管是12年國教也好108新課綱也好重新上路一個政策我們的教法我們的升學制度要改變的時候我們所有的行政的作業多到真的太可怕了所以更不要去講說我們今天什麼\n1742862\t1767562\t減少訪視評鑑什麼公文要減量其實真的沒有做到我們有沒有做 有但是沒有做到所以我要拜託我們今天教室工會所講的我們希望行政專職化部長我們一樣能不能你把行政專職化可行性可能性把它提出來我們趕快來做請院長來支持好不好最後一點校事會議\n1769924\t1795936\t消失會議的檢討因為我時間剩的不夠部長我們去討論一下消失會議因為有八成的老師說現在已經形成了一種性癱恐怖有八成的人都曾經受過消失會議這樣子恐怖的一個經驗不管是自身還是別人所以未來我想我們對於匿名或是空辦指控這個部分我們要怎麼做然後要不要建立公開透明的制度都要把它做好來最後部長\n1798957\t1810905\t你寫了一封信給所有的老師但我希望你不要只有寄信給他們能不能找一個時間讓全國的教師公會派代表一起能夠跟你來面談他們所訴求的這些點你可以把時間播出來嗎我想這個政策的一個形式我們是非常歡迎各個不同的一個特別老師我也覺得給中南溫馨在跟老師的過關\n1827125\t1834135\t好 那謝謝部長就來安排一個時間的話那現在這個因為疫情的事情我都把配置資料給\n","txt":"范委員好\n院長進入到今天我本來準備的總諮詢之前我想要先跟您討論一個我想這兩天您應該有看到長榮航空有一個空服員不幸離世但這件事情不管是在職場上在網路上討論得沸沸揚揚甚至於現在已經有在網路上指出這個有可能是叫做制度殺人我覺得本席看到這個標題的時候其實非常驚訝\n因為這個標題非常的嚴重但是本席也接到很多長榮的空服員來跟本席澄清跟檢舉也提到說在這一次當中其實它或許不是一個個案或是個別原因所造成的非常有可能是因為制度制度到底出了什麼問題他們就在講現在不敢生病生病了不敢請假為什麼\n因為長榮現在疑似是不是有這樣的狀況說如果今天有請假的情況產生你請一天兩天可能你整個績效的排名就會在你這個職別級的那個地方可能就會到倒數的地方去了那如果你住院萬一你不小心是住院哇你可能在整個全體的組員當中你可能排到最後面去了那這個考機排到最後面去有什麼影響第一個可能未來除了這個日新沒有之外\n未來你的這個年終獎金那你各項的升遷更嚴重的是本來還有他們的福利像這種員工票通通禁止使用等等所以變得沒有人敢請假那所以這個院長您知道這件事情嗎當然知道這媒體都報的很多我們也持續的關心是 那個部長現在了解的狀況是怎麼樣\n跟萬元說明 當然我們現在還在相關的調查之中所以還沒有一個結論出來 對嗎我今天早上其實已經有表達第一個我們在這個議題上我們非常重視不會只聽公司的一方之言\n那我們會來跟相關的這些機組員也包括相關的利害相關人跟工會來做訪談來把完整的狀況做一個清楚的了解所以今天我想本席提供這個我相信你其實在有些地方有看到但是我們是扎實的得到很多的空服員來跟我們的陳情他們覺得他們其實非常的痛苦不敢生病不敢請假這是什麼樣一個職場所以我希望院長還有我們的部長要去整個測查\n長榮不能只有去查這個個案不是只看這個個案要看整個制度面發生什麼問題了如果我們這麼辛苦的空服員那麼在他健康亮起紅燈的時候公司沒有辦法支持我們的勞基法沒有辦法去支持甚至於長榮如果有漁業勞基法那我們應該怎麼去罰他但是本區去查到在今年度啊\n我們因為這個超時工作這件事情長榮一次就已經被罰大概180萬左右但是我想如果只是這樣子罰錢對他是不痛不癢應該怎麼徹底去檢討那是不是會後這部長能夠盡快的給我們一個報告跟說明好不好\n我覺得後續我們會強化專案的勞檢第二個我們也會來督促公司應該跟公會好好的協商因為今天我還有幾個很重要的議題但是這件事情我要拜託您一定要給整個長榮的員工長榮的空服員一個說明跟一個交代讓他們可以安心的來做他們的工作好不好\n接下來我想進入到直接我來請教一下我們的院長院長我們這個裁劃法我好像有聽到您說院本的裁劃法您要把它提出來是嗎事實上從一開始討論裁劃法的時候行政院一直沒有排斥討論修法我們事實上討論一個中央地方都能夠很合理因為我看到媒體上有寫說我們一直在準備什麼時候會把它提出來這個我要看\n也要看立法院的進度如何啦因為我們知道就明年的裁判法的現行裁判法在明年度的執行的過程當中現在有一部分有問題那這個問題要不要解決要解決或是不要解決要解決的話什麼時候要來解決所以您會把他提願版的裁判法出來但時間上現在還沒有定是這樣嗎我們隨時準備好但是過程之間還要有一兩道手續就要跟地方再談要跟外界的學者專家再談\n我想不只一兩道手續其實本席有看到院長您自己也有強調過關於這個新版的財化法這個過程必須要經過所有地方政府同意並且充分討論以符合民主程序那剛剛您另外有提到我們就直接講像我們新版的財化法在計算公式上面有錯誤的部分那誰該負責該負責立法院該要修就要修我覺得這都沒有什麼問題大家本來就應該一起合作去發揮本來去修財化法的一個精神\n所以我們看到主計總署我們來討論說在修正中央對地方政府的補助辦法的時候我看起來好像沒有依據您所定的標準來做為什麼本席這樣講呢我們看到主計總署在6月2號的時候發函去地方政府去徵詢他們的意見6月6號就要他們去回覆我想主計長其實\n過去這個應該也做過應該我沒有記錯是台南的主計處的處長有做過地方嘛那你看看只有三個工作天的時間這樣子有充分去徵詢有充分討論嗎本期看一下第一個沒有主計長在討論的是明年的開發法的問題我說的是將來修法的過程我知道但我待會會給您時間回答這是第一個問題那第二個呢也就您剛剛提到就是說我們要跟縣市充分討論不過呢我看起來\n所有地方政府有沒有徵詢經過他們的同意好像也沒有為什麼如果有的話9月10號那一天我們就不會看到15個縣市聯合來發表這個聲明那像中央也提出了三大訴求那我不知道院長記不記得這三大訴求我簡單跟您提一下也就是統籌分配稅款要合理的分配一般性補助款要回歸公示以及我們已經核定的這個計劃性補助款要能夠保障不要跟動\n我們看到不管是充分討論或是經過他們的同意顯然都沒有所以我希望這個院長我們做事的標準其實要一致我們不能說這邊做一套那邊做一套所以您這個院本的才化法要出來前我建議您自己所說的要跟地方同意充分討論才能符合民主程序這件事情恐怕要特別去記住它\n當然我們在15位縣市首長發表共同的講法之後我們有連續兩天跟這個地方的首長在行政院做了兩場的會議那會議我都做了很詳細的筆記所有縣市首長想寫的話我們都詳細的記錄在內\n那這個部分就當作未來我們要共同去解決那個筆記記起來但是該修正要修正好來那院長我想繼續請教那我們看到這個一般性補助款因為我們知道新版財務法規定我們不可以少於前一年所以今年還是2501億跟去年一樣但不同的是我們之前\n把它分成四大项目包括收支短叉教育社福基本设施但现在不一样的我们把它分成了三大的项目了那我们看我简单的分一下在406亿跟333亿的社福跟财政短差这个部分没有什么问题不过\n1764億的這個部分就是大家很爭議的你把它改成申請計劃型的補助我想院長你能夠宣示我們這1764億如果你一定要用這樣的方式我們在這個審核會公開會透明會不分藍綠會沒有私心會這樣子做嗎兩個問題跟兩個答覆一個就是\n為什麼會這樣處理因為就是要把有一部分是屬於地方自治應辦事項的移給地方來做處理這是一個部分第二個你說的1646億這個部分也可以用設算式的公式的來處理不一定要按案來申請我們會研究這樣的方式我想其實這就是地方擔心不公平不公正所以當然有你的承諾但是要付諸實際的作為那我們再來看我們現在看說\n虽然这个统筹分配税款好像给地方是4165亿可是事实上不然并没有那么多我们看到中央补助地方县市的公务预算其实我们在这个114年少了整整2146亿这个数字很清楚就是我们少编了本来是4955亿那115年就2809亿\n所以我們這樣子去加減之後您知道嗎事實上只有2756億是可以留在地方上來讓我們的地方來使用的所以本席在看這件事的時候覺得其實我們原本才化法其實就是希望收支平衡也希望地方的建設能夠做好一點可是現在這個美意恐怕會大打折扣\n那當然在我們這個整個我舉個例子其實本席在這個整個事情當中我最不能接受三個點第一個點就是我們幼兒就學補助這第一個你要回歸地方縣市政府第二個我們三張EQ的這個食材補助這對我們的孩子來說非常重要第三個我真的覺得就非常誇張就是班班有冷氣的電費\n院長您應該知道其實這些政策是蔡英文總統時代當時我們的賴總統也是副總統那我們那時候沸沸揚揚都說這個是中央的政績中央的政策我記得很清楚當時我還質詢那個\n蘇貞昌院長說我們電費會不會有問題不是每個縣市都有辦法負擔電費一旦電費有問題的時候或者電有問題的時候我們的冷氣可能會淪為裝置藝術其實後段這個還被人家斷章取義我們支持這個政策但現在你把它變成中央請客地方買單我覺得這個是我們大家不能接受的\n當初的斑斑又冷氣的時候就是前一年開始中央因為是在年度中嘛中央來補助給地方的電費那往後幾年是這樣來做但是地方學校的國民中小學還有地方的營養午餐這都是地方自治事項裡面該做的事情\n這個你很清楚我也很清楚但過去因為都是中央補助原本我想這個同仇分配資產多了以後各地方縣市政府他想要做更多的建設他想要做更多的在地方上的東西可是因為你現在做這樣一個調整以後我覺得整個全部都打\n可是委員中央的來源稅少了以後我們怎麼還有可能捉與補助這麼多呢我想我今天有一個結論這個東西其實在很多地方很多委員跟你就教過我們在很多地方討論過但我們不要一直雞生蛋蛋生雞財化法通過以後我們只希望怎麼樣讓中央跟地方合作怎麼樣讓地方財政更好但是我覺得千萬不要讓人家覺得今天中央是想要集權又集錢不會 沒有那個能力\n那當然我覺得再講一次就是我們在這個涉算上面的公司錯誤當然立法院可以修不過呢我想行政院其實在這個篡改一般性這個補助款的分配規定上本身希望這個院長也能夠再去看一看有沒有其他的這個方式讓地方不要這麼辛苦好不好那最後我想這一題再請教一下我每次都會問到的我們桃園鐵路地下化桃園鐵路地下化\n本來到8月31號預定的進度應該有46%不過我們現在看到實際的進度只有33%嚴重落後了12.5%而且這個落後不是現在一下突然這樣落後一直都處於落後的狀態本行每一次都在問那因為落後就要追加預算現在增加了769億那相關的變更計劃其實層層報上來國發會在8月20號也報到了行政院那院長為什麼卡在行政院\n請部長先說明一下報告委員您剛剛所提到的兩個部分第一個部分是延宕的部分您只要告訴我769億這個變更計畫現在為什麼一直卡在行政院報告委員這個部分我們其實花了一些時間跟桃園市政府大家在針對預算之間大家怎麼樣的比例去分配的部分已經有做協議好來我想那個院長如果現在此時此刻鐵路計畫它進行了這麼久還要去談分配這件事情那是對地方是不公允的這個我們跟地方\n政府已經談定了 這個比例已經談好了除非啦 除非是你想要負擔更多要不然你沒有道理 還要再去跟地方重談所以我希望兩個點 部長也在這裡嚴當的時程 怎麼樣把它追回來第二個 預算的部分如果這個嚴當責任不在地方 本期還是老化重談那應該重量來負擔那最差的狀況也要維持過去25 75不能去更改 好不好\n報告委員 我們今年已經被明年4165億的統籌分配稅款已經從中央移到地方了我們哪有那麼多錢做同樣的工作況且我們已經舉債4千億院長啊 我想啊不要每次都用這樣的講法啦這個是唯一的答案啊這樣子的講法在很多地方其實我覺得都是可以再拿出來討論啦甚至有可能被打臉所以我覺得這個東西\n你不要再這樣說了你不要再這樣說了如果在鐵路地下化的部分你要用這樣的理由啊我想我們全桃園市的市民都沒有辦法原諒你的所以我們繼續下一題我們看到這個少子化的部分也是嚴重的國安問題那少子化這個院長這個你應該知道從109年開始起我們就邁入了生不如死但現在嚴重到已經連續21個月是負成長那\n這個五今年的五月份啊更嚴重哦打破了這個最低出生數的一個這個紀錄哦只有這個8433人哦這個少子化我相信行政院我們也也用過很多的方式想要去把這個狀況改善可是看起來哦我們的新生兒是不增反減哦我們來看一下哦行政院也很努力提出了好運三方案那其中一個最近啊大家覺得非常讚許的就是什麼院長生一胎多少錢生育補助\n就是補各種的社會保險到10萬你就是好運三方愛擴大生育補助裡面生育胎給多少生育胎就補足到10萬元10萬那雙胞胎咧雙胞胎就照算了\n那算是二十萬對不對三胞胎三十萬這樣最好對不對好那最好但是呢大家都很高興就前兩天人家跟我講說欸委員這個怪怪的第一個呢補助十萬我也不覺得誘因有這麼大就是說為了這十萬塊我就去省但是呢結果才發現您這個政策不是聲音胎補助十萬\n合併社會保險的生育這個給付合併發放所以這裡我只有要簡單的提醒你們這個政策總是有比較多但是呢我覺得在這個政策的這宣導跟說明上面要精準啊不要讓大家以為啊十一胎就十萬啦兩胎就二十萬啦像運檔講了三胎就三十萬了不是嘛你看如果照你這樣講的話我們用最高勞保級距四萬五千八保險那一級\n他原本就可以零到九萬一嘛所以他生一胎的時候他是八千四雙胞胎是一萬六他不要以為這裡有雙胞胎要零二十萬所以政策宣導精準一點好不好我們寫的很清楚補足到十萬那這個補足到十萬我們現在經過委員的建議我們說也可以說十萬塊就是給這個生產的媽媽做月子這個月補理十萬塊做月子這個講法也許大家更能夠聽得進去\n現場我們第一個就是把它精準第二個當然你要另外發十萬我們當然也覺得很好啊那這個發越多我相信其實產婦孕婦大家是歡喜接受好 但是我們再來看統籌分配稅管就不要拿那麼多啊我們就多發一點\n不要再講這樣了 院長你今天一整天的表現其實本席覺得還不錯真的有別你以前至少你都是聽得進去了我覺得你今天的表現今天是有加分啦你今天不錯 希望繼續保持\n所以我們再來看育兒津貼也是鼓勵生育很重要的我們在110年的時候我們把它調整到每個月有個五千塊的育兒津貼很棒但經過四年了這四年我覺得通貨膨脹這個經濟的各項的因素那院長有沒有考慮我們把育兒津貼明年加碼\n加碼都要比較周圓性的考量不是單就某一個社會福利單項來做加碼我們可以比較周圓性的考量政策性全面往上提升我們請部長真的來研究一下好不好以這個五線為基礎我們看看有沒有加碼的空間\n那接下來我們再看到生育補助跟這個育兒補助之外友善育嬰職場也非常的重要所以呢我們看到勞動部也在努力啊所以推出了彈性育嬰假就是呢我們的勞工可以有30天的育嬰假按日請假然後我們的家庭照顧假可以按小時請假有這個彈性好不好好但是呢我們這些都是無薪的都是沒有薪水的很多的\n這個是有薪有津貼的所以他們請假照樣是有薪當然家庭照顧假是沒有薪水的但是彈性的暈流廳以至來請政府是會給八成的薪資頭髮薪資的津貼我們會給八成所以第一個是八成薪第二個是無薪\n那不论如何有很多人会觉得每一份薪水他都是希望能够领好领满所以这时候会不会用到这是一个第二个呢会不会大家会觉得那不然我就请你特休也就算了所以呢我想即将上路但是我们去评估他的效果到哪里但是呢我给各位一个建议我觉得除了这个弹性价之外我们来看到如果我们可以去延长育婴津贴的请领总月数现在是几个月\n是六個月六個月我們來看看有沒有空間如果今天可以提高加一個月加兩個月我覺得這個誘因其實會更大那另外我們的有薪家庭照顧假的七天我希望這一點能夠比到公務員來做那我想這個院長其實院長你知不知道現在家庭照顧假跟育嬰假在我們來說現在是一國兩制一國兩制\n不同身份嗎部長告訴院長為什麼一國兩制確實現在勞工的家庭照顧價是無薪的那我們當然也有考慮是不是要能夠有薪可是這個可能要從兩個角度要不就是企業出要不是政府出\n就是簡單來講齁您剛剛也嚇一跳對不對好我告訴您齁家庭照顧假我們的公務員員七天有薪的對不對齁但是勞工不是不懂身份嘛好再來呢我們的祖父母如果來申請育嬰留職停薪因為現在很多孩子祖父母在帶的齁\n那目前考試院也要放寬了公務人員可以請預生假但是勞工一樣沒有所以其實本席也已經提案去修正性別工作平等法20條16條我們希望能夠給勞工朋友7天的有薪家庭照顧假也希望同步的開放可以請祖父母的預生假那院長你認不認同本席這樣的修法\n院長你認同嗎先讓部長說明一下政策的考量如果要家庭照顧假有心的話就是兩個方面要嘛是政府出要嘛是企業出那當然政府出現在的財務是比較困難如果政府挺企業企業就會挺勞工所以很多方式可以做的部長你要去想一想包括如果這個相關的政策補助相關的租稅優惠等等你要去思考看看有什麼方式我們挺企業企業去挺勞工好不好\n好那接下來呢我想繼續就叫來那個院長我們現在是不是賴總統有提到說家庭只要一個小孩我們就可以聘請外勞你知道這件事嗎有在演繹這個方向你同意嗎我們願意朝這個方向來你贊成嗎\n我個人是認為就照顧小孩來看是需要的可以讓婦女也能夠多負擔一些工作我們現在確實在評估這個政策在評估中我想這樣子喔當然總統講出來的話我不能在這裡問你你贊不贊成 太為難你了\n但你要發揮你的專業告訴他這樣好或不好我想我們現在就是有這個保姆啦、托嬰中心啦如果你這樣放寬其實它是會衝擊的所以我希望這個你能發揮你的專業跟這個總統這邊溝通一下再來我想一樣就教一下我們會把本國的就業員一起思考在這個政策的規劃裡面我們的護理師荒\n護理師對護理師荒我們看到我們護理人員的總職業率現在只剩下62%關床潮非常的嚴重但是院長您知不知道我們現在這一次賴總統提到說我們有幫公立醫院的醫護人員加薪最多到11%但是事實上這個基層其實大家不買單因為加薪無感為什麼因為我們這一次是只有加公立醫院的公職醫護人員的專業加級\n而且在公立醫院裡頭不是所有的醫護人員都有加那我們來看到現在我們的部立醫院7982名護理人員當中有6027個他不是公職的護理人員所以他沒有專業佳績他當然沒辦法加薪\n所以這一院兩制怪不怪當然奇怪啊大家同樣一樣在不立院工作啊那所以衛福部也曾經說過說賴總統卓院長要支持公立醫院留才啦所以我們給這個加薪但是真的留才有留到嗎我們來看一下這個表格我們整體的離職率值得稱讚一下我們整體的離職率從13.19%降到了10.45%但是不值得不值得高興為什麼你看到非公職的離職率的占比都是九成多啊\n所以你要解決這個問題嗎那部長我因為時間的關係我待會還有一題很重要這一題我請那個院長能不能指示部長我覺得我們來研究一下那我們怎麼樣讓非公職的醫護人員也可以來調性的方案那會後給我這個部分那我們才夠讓所有的醫護人員在同一個醫院裡面的薪資能夠大家一起都來加薪但公立醫院應該要一致標準\n跟委員報告我們行政院核定從今年開始4年的護理人力的12項策略是編列275億第一年就投入68.85億所以這裡面包含了夜班津貼還有這個三班護育平台部長部長我想我幫護理人員請命而且我幫護理人員請命而且不同意一院兩制那你會後麻煩你詳細的這個政策資料一份送到本席辦公室來好嗎\n接下來本席最在意的來我們教育部我們的教師黃院長我們現在全台灣累計有22萬6千多的教師證取得的老師但是這當中有高達7萬4千多人沒有在教育現場擔任教師你知道這個數字是多麼嚴重的教育上的損失嗎\n國家投入了這麼多的資源人力去栽培但是他們卻沒有進入這個職場那我們再看到從108年到112年過去的5年來比較我們的任教率節節敗退從70.95%一直掉一直掉掉到只剩下60%有4成的人不願意進來那什麼原因我們等一下來討論所以我們看到正式的老師招不滿代理代課的老師找不到\n教師荒的問題很嚴重啊那不能說我有在想辦法解決可是問題他就是擺在眼前那我們再來看到我們剛剛也講到戴里克教師之前有個數字說這個差八千人我看教育部很不服氣說沒有八千啊兩百七十幾人啊部長這兩百七十幾人怎麼補起來的很多教師\n可能是不得已可能是人情可能是被迫抄中帖上課退休老師也要挖回來來幫忙所以才降了一個漂亮數字給大家看可是我們不能這樣子啊對不對我們的問題要把它掃出來去根本解決這種救急的方式不是長遠之道所以呢我們看到這一次謝謝我們大家一起努力我們讓教師節既紀念又放假給老師是一種尊重也讓他們可以休養生息但有很多老師教師節那一天他沒有休息他幹嘛來到這個教育部門口抗議啊\n對不對 那他們抗議的五點院長知道是哪五點嗎請委員指教那個報告主席這時候用上了沒有問題 時間暫停 等您放 好不好好OK 繼續 對\n好 給一點時間讓院長看一下這五點我特別把那一天這些老師到教育部門口所陳情抗議的訴求今天帶到院長的面前讓院長重視知道這些問題今天我擇幾個比較重要的問題跟您討論第一個\n基本薪资我们过去看到我们非常挺劳工朋友过去的10年我们的劳工朋友每一年我们都想办法帮他调薪但是我们看到我们的全国老师的期待总是一再落空连我们薪资审议的法制化都一直没有做包括我们人事行政总处这113年5月说那一年的年底我们就要把它法制化要把这个草案已经送到行政院了\n但行政院還卡著所以院長我們有沒有辦法在今年的年底之前把這個修正的草案報到立法院來進行審議因為薪資這件事真的非常重要\n可以嗎我再去參看看這個流程現在怎麼樣我記憶當中我沒有我沒有真的看到過這樣的來那院長我拜託您回去看一下好不好部長有沒有送這個案子好我們把這件事記住回去看一下第二個剛剛談的是薪資現在談的是更可憐的終點費終點費院長35年來只有調整過一次\n35年來就調整過一次我們看到基本公司的工資的漲幅在過去這10年來在過去這20年來漲幅高達了187.9%這大家努力照顧我們的勞工朋友們可是我們看到國小老師的這個終點只有調整了29.2%國中跟高中老師的征服更只有5%而已所以院長這樣的薪資這樣終點分你怎麼留得住教師人才\n怎麼留得住啦是不是那再來如果我們不解決這些問題教師荒是沒有辦法解決的我們再看到這點我跟部長這邊提一下我們在明年二月我們有沒有確定要調高特教就過去我們一直在討論的特教的這個職務的加級確不確定明年二月一定會調整現場已經批了\n好 院長已經批了謝謝院長1800調到2800但是呢我提醒部長跟院長我們還有導師職務加級導師職務加級也已經非常多年沒有調整了我們能不能一併提出這個具體的調整計劃\n部長你把它你把它擬一下我們一樣給院長看好不好我們導師的家籍的部分好不好好謝謝那再來呢我們再來看到就是行政減量的工作行政減量我過去我們已經努力了10年但行政工作一樣繁重那個院長\n待會資訊結束後我要把這一點資料送給你你不要看它好像不是太厚的一點資料裡面數百項都是我們的各處事我們的主任我們的組長我們的導師數百項的行政工作在這裡\n我們要知道這幾年不管是12年國教也好108新課綱也好重新上路一個政策我們的教法我們的升學制度要改變的時候我們所有的行政的作業多到真的太可怕了所以更不要去講說我們今天什麼\n減少訪視評鑑什麼公文要減量其實真的沒有做到我們有沒有做 有但是沒有做到所以我要拜託我們今天教室工會所講的我們希望行政專職化部長我們一樣能不能你把行政專職化可行性可能性把它提出來我們趕快來做請院長來支持好不好最後一點校事會議\n消失會議的檢討因為我時間剩的不夠部長我們去討論一下消失會議因為有八成的老師說現在已經形成了一種性癱恐怖有八成的人都曾經受過消失會議這樣子恐怖的一個經驗不管是自身還是別人所以未來我想我們對於匿名或是空辦指控這個部分我們要怎麼做然後要不要建立公開透明的制度都要把它做好來最後部長\n你寫了一封信給所有的老師但我希望你不要只有寄信給他們能不能找一個時間讓全國的教師公會派代表一起能夠跟你來面談他們所訴求的這些點你可以把時間播出來嗎我想這個政策的一個形式我們是非常歡迎各個不同的一個特別老師我也覺得給中南溫馨在跟老師的過關\n好 那謝謝部長就來安排一個時間的話那現在這個因為疫情的事情我都把配置資料給\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.330 --> 00:11.790\n范委員好\n\n00:33.288 --> 00:55.242\n院長進入到今天我本來準備的總諮詢之前我想要先跟您討論一個我想這兩天您應該有看到長榮航空有一個空服員不幸離世但這件事情不管是在職場上在網路上討論得沸沸揚揚甚至於現在已經有在網路上指出這個有可能是叫做制度殺人我覺得本席看到這個標題的時候其實非常驚訝\n\n00:59.325 --> 01:20.667\n因為這個標題非常的嚴重但是本席也接到很多長榮的空服員來跟本席澄清跟檢舉也提到說在這一次當中其實它或許不是一個個案或是個別原因所造成的非常有可能是因為制度制度到底出了什麼問題他們就在講現在不敢生病生病了不敢請假為什麼\n\n01:21.107 --> 01:47.854\n因為長榮現在疑似是不是有這樣的狀況說如果今天有請假的情況產生你請一天兩天可能你整個績效的排名就會在你這個職別級的那個地方可能就會到倒數的地方去了那如果你住院萬一你不小心是住院哇你可能在整個全體的組員當中你可能排到最後面去了那這個考機排到最後面去有什麼影響第一個可能未來除了這個日新沒有之外\n\n01:48.314 --> 02:07.187\n未來你的這個年終獎金那你各項的升遷更嚴重的是本來還有他們的福利像這種員工票通通禁止使用等等所以變得沒有人敢請假那所以這個院長您知道這件事情嗎當然知道這媒體都報的很多我們也持續的關心是那個部長現在了解的狀況是怎麼樣\n\n02:08.915 --> 02:25.476\n跟萬元說明當然我們現在還在相關的調查之中所以還沒有一個結論出來對嗎我今天早上其實已經有表達第一個我們在這個議題上我們非常重視不會只聽公司的一方之言\n\n02:26.317 --> 02:51.554\n那我們會來跟相關的這些機組員也包括相關的利害相關人跟工會來做訪談來把完整的狀況做一個清楚的了解所以今天我想本席提供這個我相信你其實在有些地方有看到但是我們是扎實的得到很多的空服員來跟我們的陳情他們覺得他們其實非常的痛苦不敢生病不敢請假這是什麼樣一個職場所以我希望院長還有我們的部長要去整個測查\n\n02:53.756 --> 03:12.988\n長榮不能只有去查這個個案不是只看這個個案要看整個制度面發生什麼問題了如果我們這麼辛苦的空服員那麼在他健康亮起紅燈的時候公司沒有辦法支持我們的勞基法沒有辦法去支持甚至於長榮如果有漁業勞基法那我們應該怎麼去罰他但是本區去查到在今年度啊\n\n03:13.308 --> 03:29.103\n我們因為這個超時工作這件事情長榮一次就已經被罰大概180萬左右但是我想如果只是這樣子罰錢對他是不痛不癢應該怎麼徹底去檢討那是不是會後這部長能夠盡快的給我們一個報告跟說明好不好\n\n03:29.463 --> 03:51.883\n我覺得後續我們會強化專案的勞檢第二個我們也會來督促公司應該跟公會好好的協商因為今天我還有幾個很重要的議題但是這件事情我要拜託您一定要給整個長榮的員工長榮的空服員一個說明跟一個交代讓他們可以安心的來做他們的工作好不好\n\n03:53.083 --> 04:18.700\n接下來我想進入到直接我來請教一下我們的院長院長我們這個裁劃法我好像有聽到您說院本的裁劃法您要把它提出來是嗎事實上從一開始討論裁劃法的時候行政院一直沒有排斥討論修法我們事實上討論一個中央地方都能夠很合理因為我看到媒體上有寫說我們一直在準備什麼時候會把它提出來這個我要看\n\n04:19.963 --> 04:45.470\n也要看立法院的進度如何啦因為我們知道就明年的裁判法的現行裁判法在明年度的執行的過程當中現在有一部分有問題那這個問題要不要解決要解決或是不要解決要解決的話什麼時候要來解決所以您會把他提願版的裁判法出來但時間上現在還沒有定是這樣嗎我們隨時準備好但是過程之間還要有一兩道手續就要跟地方再談要跟外界的學者專家再談\n\n04:45.950 --> 05:14.451\n我想不只一兩道手續其實本席有看到院長您自己也有強調過關於這個新版的財化法這個過程必須要經過所有地方政府同意並且充分討論以符合民主程序那剛剛您另外有提到我們就直接講像我們新版的財化法在計算公式上面有錯誤的部分那誰該負責該負責立法院該要修就要修我覺得這都沒有什麼問題大家本來就應該一起合作去發揮本來去修財化法的一個精神\n\n05:15.111 --> 05:36.783\n所以我們看到主計總署我們來討論說在修正中央對地方政府的補助辦法的時候我看起來好像沒有依據您所定的標準來做為什麼本席這樣講呢我們看到主計總署在6月2號的時候發函去地方政府去徵詢他們的意見6月6號就要他們去回覆我想主計長其實\n\n05:38.964 --> 06:05.090\n過去這個應該也做過應該我沒有記錯是台南的主計處的處長有做過地方嘛那你看看只有三個工作天的時間這樣子有充分去徵詢有充分討論嗎本期看一下第一個沒有主計長在討論的是明年的開發法的問題我說的是將來修法的過程我知道但我待會會給您時間回答這是第一個問題那第二個呢也就您剛剛提到就是說我們要跟縣市充分討論不過呢我看起來\n\n06:06.550 --> 06:31.637\n所有地方政府有沒有徵詢經過他們的同意好像也沒有為什麼如果有的話9月10號那一天我們就不會看到15個縣市聯合來發表這個聲明那像中央也提出了三大訴求那我不知道院長記不記得這三大訴求我簡單跟您提一下也就是統籌分配稅款要合理的分配一般性補助款要回歸公示以及我們已經核定的這個計劃性補助款要能夠保障不要跟動\n\n06:33.278 --> 06:56.497\n我們看到不管是充分討論或是經過他們的同意顯然都沒有所以我希望這個院長我們做事的標準其實要一致我們不能說這邊做一套那邊做一套所以您這個院本的才化法要出來前我建議您自己所說的要跟地方同意充分討論才能符合民主程序這件事情恐怕要特別去記住它\n\n06:57.177 --> 07:11.195\n當然我們在15位縣市首長發表共同的講法之後我們有連續兩天跟這個地方的首長在行政院做了兩場的會議那會議我都做了很詳細的筆記所有縣市首長想寫的話我們都詳細的記錄在內\n\n07:12.597 --> 07:31.803\n那這個部分就當作未來我們要共同去解決那個筆記記起來但是該修正要修正好來那院長我想繼續請教那我們看到這個一般性補助款因為我們知道新版財務法規定我們不可以少於前一年所以今年還是2501億跟去年一樣但不同的是我們之前\n\n07:32.503 --> 07:48.511\n把它分成四大项目包括收支短叉教育社福基本设施但现在不一样的我们把它分成了三大的项目了那我们看我简单的分一下在406亿跟333亿的社福跟财政短差这个部分没有什么问题不过\n\n07:50.992 --> 08:08.500\n1764億的這個部分就是大家很爭議的你把它改成申請計劃型的補助我想院長你能夠宣示我們這1764億如果你一定要用這樣的方式我們在這個審核會公開會透明會不分藍綠會沒有私心會這樣子做嗎兩個問題跟兩個答覆一個就是\n\n08:11.961 --> 08:36.580\n為什麼會這樣處理因為就是要把有一部分是屬於地方自治應辦事項的移給地方來做處理這是一個部分第二個你說的1646億這個部分也可以用設算式的公式的來處理不一定要按案來申請我們會研究這樣的方式我想其實這就是地方擔心不公平不公正所以當然有你的承諾但是要付諸實際的作為那我們再來看我們現在看說\n\n08:41.644 --> 09:02.421\n虽然这个统筹分配税款好像给地方是4165亿可是事实上不然并没有那么多我们看到中央补助地方县市的公务预算其实我们在这个114年少了整整2146亿这个数字很清楚就是我们少编了本来是4955亿那115年就2809亿\n\n09:05.623 --> 09:24.712\n所以我們這樣子去加減之後您知道嗎事實上只有2756億是可以留在地方上來讓我們的地方來使用的所以本席在看這件事的時候覺得其實我們原本才化法其實就是希望收支平衡也希望地方的建設能夠做好一點可是現在這個美意恐怕會大打折扣\n\n09:25.672 --> 09:47.959\n那當然在我們這個整個我舉個例子其實本席在這個整個事情當中我最不能接受三個點第一個點就是我們幼兒就學補助這第一個你要回歸地方縣市政府第二個我們三張EQ的這個食材補助這對我們的孩子來說非常重要第三個我真的覺得就非常誇張就是班班有冷氣的電費\n\n09:49.600 --> 10:03.148\n院長您應該知道其實這些政策是蔡英文總統時代當時我們的賴總統也是副總統那我們那時候沸沸揚揚都說這個是中央的政績中央的政策我記得很清楚當時我還質詢那個\n\n10:05.609 --> 10:25.060\n蘇貞昌院長說我們電費會不會有問題不是每個縣市都有辦法負擔電費一旦電費有問題的時候或者電有問題的時候我們的冷氣可能會淪為裝置藝術其實後段這個還被人家斷章取義我們支持這個政策但現在你把它變成中央請客地方買單我覺得這個是我們大家不能接受的\n\n10:26.054 --> 10:43.753\n當初的斑斑又冷氣的時候就是前一年開始中央因為是在年度中嘛中央來補助給地方的電費那往後幾年是這樣來做但是地方學校的國民中小學還有地方的營養午餐這都是地方自治事項裡面該做的事情\n\n10:44.613 --> 10:59.681\n這個你很清楚我也很清楚但過去因為都是中央補助原本我想這個同仇分配資產多了以後各地方縣市政府他想要做更多的建設他想要做更多的在地方上的東西可是因為你現在做這樣一個調整以後我覺得整個全部都打\n\n10:59.841 --> 11:28.821\n可是委員中央的來源稅少了以後我們怎麼還有可能捉與補助這麼多呢我想我今天有一個結論這個東西其實在很多地方很多委員跟你就教過我們在很多地方討論過但我們不要一直雞生蛋蛋生雞財化法通過以後我們只希望怎麼樣讓中央跟地方合作怎麼樣讓地方財政更好但是我覺得千萬不要讓人家覺得今天中央是想要集權又集錢不會沒有那個能力\n\n11:29.521 --> 11:57.204\n那當然我覺得再講一次就是我們在這個涉算上面的公司錯誤當然立法院可以修不過呢我想行政院其實在這個篡改一般性這個補助款的分配規定上本身希望這個院長也能夠再去看一看有沒有其他的這個方式讓地方不要這麼辛苦好不好那最後我想這一題再請教一下我每次都會問到的我們桃園鐵路地下化桃園鐵路地下化\n\n11:58.264 --> 12:25.547\n本來到8月31號預定的進度應該有46%不過我們現在看到實際的進度只有33%嚴重落後了12.5%而且這個落後不是現在一下突然這樣落後一直都處於落後的狀態本行每一次都在問那因為落後就要追加預算現在增加了769億那相關的變更計劃其實層層報上來國發會在8月20號也報到了行政院那院長為什麼卡在行政院\n\n12:27.543 --> 12:54.031\n請部長先說明一下報告委員您剛剛所提到的兩個部分第一個部分是延宕的部分您只要告訴我769億這個變更計畫現在為什麼一直卡在行政院報告委員這個部分我們其實花了一些時間跟桃園市政府大家在針對預算之間大家怎麼樣的比例去分配的部分已經有做協議好來我想那個院長如果現在此時此刻鐵路計畫它進行了這麼久還要去談分配這件事情那是對地方是不公允的這個我們跟地方\n\n12:54.691 --> 13:18.586\n政府已經談定了這個比例已經談好了除非啦除非是你想要負擔更多要不然你沒有道理還要再去跟地方重談所以我希望兩個點部長也在這裡嚴當的時程怎麼樣把它追回來第二個預算的部分如果這個嚴當責任不在地方本期還是老化重談那應該重量來負擔那最差的狀況也要維持過去2575不能去更改好不好\n\n13:18.986 --> 13:42.673\n報告委員我們今年已經被明年4165億的統籌分配稅款已經從中央移到地方了我們哪有那麼多錢做同樣的工作況且我們已經舉債4千億院長啊我想啊不要每次都用這樣的講法啦這個是唯一的答案啊這樣子的講法在很多地方其實我覺得都是可以再拿出來討論啦甚至有可能被打臉所以我覺得這個東西\n\n13:44.173 --> 14:08.861\n你不要再這樣說了你不要再這樣說了如果在鐵路地下化的部分你要用這樣的理由啊我想我們全桃園市的市民都沒有辦法原諒你的所以我們繼續下一題我們看到這個少子化的部分也是嚴重的國安問題那少子化這個院長這個你應該知道從109年開始起我們就邁入了生不如死但現在嚴重到已經連續21個月是負成長那\n\n14:12.991 --> 14:41.730\n這個五今年的五月份啊更嚴重哦打破了這個最低出生數的一個這個紀錄哦只有這個8433人哦這個少子化我相信行政院我們也也用過很多的方式想要去把這個狀況改善可是看起來哦我們的新生兒是不增反減哦我們來看一下哦行政院也很努力提出了好運三方案那其中一個最近啊大家覺得非常讚許的就是什麼院長生一胎多少錢生育補助\n\n14:42.458 --> 14:54.763\n就是補各種的社會保險到10萬你就是好運三方愛擴大生育補助裡面生育胎給多少生育胎就補足到10萬元10萬那雙胞胎咧雙胞胎就照算了\n\n14:55.285 --> 15:15.406\n那算是二十萬對不對三胞胎三十萬這樣最好對不對好那最好但是呢大家都很高興就前兩天人家跟我講說欸委員這個怪怪的第一個呢補助十萬我也不覺得誘因有這麼大就是說為了這十萬塊我就去省但是呢結果才發現您這個政策不是聲音胎補助十萬\n\n15:16.567 --> 15:40.396\n合併社會保險的生育這個給付合併發放所以這裡我只有要簡單的提醒你們這個政策總是有比較多但是呢我覺得在這個政策的這宣導跟說明上面要精準啊不要讓大家以為啊十一胎就十萬啦兩胎就二十萬啦像運檔講了三胎就三十萬了不是嘛你看如果照你這樣講的話我們用最高勞保級距四萬五千八保險那一級\n\n15:40.816 --> 16:05.317\n他原本就可以零到九萬一嘛所以他生一胎的時候他是八千四雙胞胎是一萬六他不要以為這裡有雙胞胎要零二十萬所以政策宣導精準一點好不好我們寫的很清楚補足到十萬那這個補足到十萬我們現在經過委員的建議我們說也可以說十萬塊就是給這個生產的媽媽做月子這個月補理十萬塊做月子這個講法也許大家更能夠聽得進去\n\n16:06.519 --> 16:20.318\n現場我們第一個就是把它精準第二個當然你要另外發十萬我們當然也覺得很好啊那這個發越多我相信其實產婦孕婦大家是歡喜接受好但是我們再來看統籌分配稅管就不要拿那麼多啊我們就多發一點\n\n16:21.209 --> 16:36.259\n不要再講這樣了院長你今天一整天的表現其實本席覺得還不錯真的有別你以前至少你都是聽得進去了我覺得你今天的表現今天是有加分啦你今天不錯希望繼續保持\n\n16:42.463 --> 16:59.202\n所以我們再來看育兒津貼也是鼓勵生育很重要的我們在110年的時候我們把它調整到每個月有個五千塊的育兒津貼很棒但經過四年了這四年我覺得通貨膨脹這個經濟的各項的因素那院長有沒有考慮我們把育兒津貼明年加碼\n\n17:02.279 --> 17:16.726\n加碼都要比較周圓性的考量不是單就某一個社會福利單項來做加碼我們可以比較周圓性的考量政策性全面往上提升我們請部長真的來研究一下好不好以這個五線為基礎我們看看有沒有加碼的空間\n\n17:17.466 --> 17:40.641\n那接下來我們再看到生育補助跟這個育兒補助之外友善育嬰職場也非常的重要所以呢我們看到勞動部也在努力啊所以推出了彈性育嬰假就是呢我們的勞工可以有30天的育嬰假按日請假然後我們的家庭照顧假可以按小時請假有這個彈性好不好好但是呢我們這些都是無薪的都是沒有薪水的很多的\n\n17:41.935 --> 17:58.409\n這個是有薪有津貼的所以他們請假照樣是有薪當然家庭照顧假是沒有薪水的但是彈性的暈流廳以至來請政府是會給八成的薪資頭髮薪資的津貼我們會給八成所以第一個是八成薪第二個是無薪\n\n17:59.170 --> 18:25.098\n那不论如何有很多人会觉得每一份薪水他都是希望能够领好领满所以这时候会不会用到这是一个第二个呢会不会大家会觉得那不然我就请你特休也就算了所以呢我想即将上路但是我们去评估他的效果到哪里但是呢我给各位一个建议我觉得除了这个弹性价之外我们来看到如果我们可以去延长育婴津贴的请领总月数现在是几个月\n\n18:26.923 --> 18:49.013\n是六個月六個月我們來看看有沒有空間如果今天可以提高加一個月加兩個月我覺得這個誘因其實會更大那另外我們的有薪家庭照顧假的七天我希望這一點能夠比到公務員來做那我想這個院長其實院長你知不知道現在家庭照顧假跟育嬰假在我們來說現在是一國兩制一國兩制\n\n18:50.385 --> 19:05.218\n不同身份嗎部長告訴院長為什麼一國兩制確實現在勞工的家庭照顧價是無薪的那我們當然也有考慮是不是要能夠有薪可是這個可能要從兩個角度要不就是企業出要不是政府出\n\n19:05.578 --> 19:24.150\n就是簡單來講齁您剛剛也嚇一跳對不對好我告訴您齁家庭照顧假我們的公務員員七天有薪的對不對齁但是勞工不是不懂身份嘛好再來呢我們的祖父母如果來申請育嬰留職停薪因為現在很多孩子祖父母在帶的齁\n\n19:25.071 --> 19:49.154\n那目前考試院也要放寬了公務人員可以請預生假但是勞工一樣沒有所以其實本席也已經提案去修正性別工作平等法20條16條我們希望能夠給勞工朋友7天的有薪家庭照顧假也希望同步的開放可以請祖父母的預生假那院長你認不認同本席這樣的修法\n\n19:50.818 --> 20:20.181\n院長你認同嗎先讓部長說明一下政策的考量如果要家庭照顧假有心的話就是兩個方面要嘛是政府出要嘛是企業出那當然政府出現在的財務是比較困難如果政府挺企業企業就會挺勞工所以很多方式可以做的部長你要去想一想包括如果這個相關的政策補助相關的租稅優惠等等你要去思考看看有什麼方式我們挺企業企業去挺勞工好不好\n\n20:20.501 --> 20:38.569\n好那接下來呢我想繼續就叫來那個院長我們現在是不是賴總統有提到說家庭只要一個小孩我們就可以聘請外勞你知道這件事嗎有在演繹這個方向你同意嗎我們願意朝這個方向來你贊成嗎\n\n20:39.878 --> 20:57.692\n我個人是認為就照顧小孩來看是需要的可以讓婦女也能夠多負擔一些工作我們現在確實在評估這個政策在評估中我想這樣子喔當然總統講出來的話我不能在這裡問你你贊不贊成太為難你了\n\n20:58.132 --> 21:21.117\n但你要發揮你的專業告訴他這樣好或不好我想我們現在就是有這個保姆啦、托嬰中心啦如果你這樣放寬其實它是會衝擊的所以我希望這個你能發揮你的專業跟這個總統這邊溝通一下再來我想一樣就教一下我們會把本國的就業員一起思考在這個政策的規劃裡面我們的護理師荒\n\n21:24.801 --> 21:51.653\n護理師對護理師荒我們看到我們護理人員的總職業率現在只剩下62%關床潮非常的嚴重但是院長您知不知道我們現在這一次賴總統提到說我們有幫公立醫院的醫護人員加薪最多到11%但是事實上這個基層其實大家不買單因為加薪無感為什麼因為我們這一次是只有加公立醫院的公職醫護人員的專業加級\n\n21:53.954 --> 22:08.064\n而且在公立醫院裡頭不是所有的醫護人員都有加那我們來看到現在我們的部立醫院7982名護理人員當中有6027個他不是公職的護理人員所以他沒有專業佳績他當然沒辦法加薪\n\n22:08.965 --> 22:38.177\n所以這一院兩制怪不怪當然奇怪啊大家同樣一樣在不立院工作啊那所以衛福部也曾經說過說賴總統卓院長要支持公立醫院留才啦所以我們給這個加薪但是真的留才有留到嗎我們來看一下這個表格我們整體的離職率值得稱讚一下我們整體的離職率從13.19%降到了10.45%但是不值得不值得高興為什麼你看到非公職的離職率的占比都是九成多啊\n\n22:38.757 --> 23:01.787\n所以你要解決這個問題嗎那部長我因為時間的關係我待會還有一題很重要這一題我請那個院長能不能指示部長我覺得我們來研究一下那我們怎麼樣讓非公職的醫護人員也可以來調性的方案那會後給我這個部分那我們才夠讓所有的醫護人員在同一個醫院裡面的薪資能夠大家一起都來加薪但公立醫院應該要一致標準\n\n23:02.727 --> 23:31.762\n跟委員報告我們行政院核定從今年開始4年的護理人力的12項策略是編列275億第一年就投入68.85億所以這裡面包含了夜班津貼還有這個三班護育平台部長部長我想我幫護理人員請命而且我幫護理人員請命而且不同意一院兩制那你會後麻煩你詳細的這個政策資料一份送到本席辦公室來好嗎\n\n23:33.903 --> 23:59.592\n接下來本席最在意的來我們教育部我們的教師黃院長我們現在全台灣累計有22萬6千多的教師證取得的老師但是這當中有高達7萬4千多人沒有在教育現場擔任教師你知道這個數字是多麼嚴重的教育上的損失嗎\n\n24:01.233 --> 24:28.868\n國家投入了這麼多的資源人力去栽培但是他們卻沒有進入這個職場那我們再看到從108年到112年過去的5年來比較我們的任教率節節敗退從70.95%一直掉一直掉掉到只剩下60%有4成的人不願意進來那什麼原因我們等一下來討論所以我們看到正式的老師招不滿代理代課的老師找不到\n\n24:30.168 --> 24:51.050\n教師荒的問題很嚴重啊那不能說我有在想辦法解決可是問題他就是擺在眼前那我們再來看到我們剛剛也講到戴里克教師之前有個數字說這個差八千人我看教育部很不服氣說沒有八千啊兩百七十幾人啊部長這兩百七十幾人怎麼補起來的很多教師\n\n24:52.091 --> 25:21.671\n可能是不得已可能是人情可能是被迫抄中帖上課退休老師也要挖回來來幫忙所以才降了一個漂亮數字給大家看可是我們不能這樣子啊對不對我們的問題要把它掃出來去根本解決這種救急的方式不是長遠之道所以呢我們看到這一次謝謝我們大家一起努力我們讓教師節既紀念又放假給老師是一種尊重也讓他們可以休養生息但有很多老師教師節那一天他沒有休息他幹嘛來到這個教育部門口抗議啊\n\n25:22.391 --> 25:43.565\n對不對那他們抗議的五點院長知道是哪五點嗎請委員指教那個報告主席這時候用上了沒有問題時間暫停等您放好不好好OK繼續對\n\n25:48.683 --> 26:07.329\n好給一點時間讓院長看一下這五點我特別把那一天這些老師到教育部門口所陳情抗議的訴求今天帶到院長的面前讓院長重視知道這些問題今天我擇幾個比較重要的問題跟您討論第一個\n\n26:09.130 --> 26:34.587\n基本薪资我们过去看到我们非常挺劳工朋友过去的10年我们的劳工朋友每一年我们都想办法帮他调薪但是我们看到我们的全国老师的期待总是一再落空连我们薪资审议的法制化都一直没有做包括我们人事行政总处这113年5月说那一年的年底我们就要把它法制化要把这个草案已经送到行政院了\n\n26:34.867 --> 26:43.840\n但行政院還卡著所以院長我們有沒有辦法在今年的年底之前把這個修正的草案報到立法院來進行審議因為薪資這件事真的非常重要\n\n26:44.787 --> 27:04.781\n可以嗎我再去參看看這個流程現在怎麼樣我記憶當中我沒有我沒有真的看到過這樣的來那院長我拜託您回去看一下好不好部長有沒有送這個案子好我們把這件事記住回去看一下第二個剛剛談的是薪資現在談的是更可憐的終點費終點費院長35年來只有調整過一次\n\n27:09.484 --> 27:37.058\n35年來就調整過一次我們看到基本公司的工資的漲幅在過去這10年來在過去這20年來漲幅高達了187.9%這大家努力照顧我們的勞工朋友們可是我們看到國小老師的這個終點只有調整了29.2%國中跟高中老師的征服更只有5%而已所以院長這樣的薪資這樣終點分你怎麼留得住教師人才\n\n27:38.078 --> 27:56.665\n怎麼留得住啦是不是那再來如果我們不解決這些問題教師荒是沒有辦法解決的我們再看到這點我跟部長這邊提一下我們在明年二月我們有沒有確定要調高特教就過去我們一直在討論的特教的這個職務的加級確不確定明年二月一定會調整現場已經批了\n\n27:57.705 --> 28:10.897\n好院長已經批了謝謝院長1800調到2800但是呢我提醒部長跟院長我們還有導師職務加級導師職務加級也已經非常多年沒有調整了我們能不能一併提出這個具體的調整計劃\n\n28:12.694 --> 28:30.196\n部長你把它你把它擬一下我們一樣給院長看好不好我們導師的家籍的部分好不好好謝謝那再來呢我們再來看到就是行政減量的工作行政減量我過去我們已經努力了10年但行政工作一樣繁重那個院長\n\n28:30.697 --> 28:45.005\n待會資訊結束後我要把這一點資料送給你你不要看它好像不是太厚的一點資料裡面數百項都是我們的各處事我們的主任我們的組長我們的導師數百項的行政工作在這裡\n\n28:45.825 --> 29:00.860\n我們要知道這幾年不管是12年國教也好108新課綱也好重新上路一個政策我們的教法我們的升學制度要改變的時候我們所有的行政的作業多到真的太可怕了所以更不要去講說我們今天什麼\n\n29:02.862 --> 29:27.562\n減少訪視評鑑什麼公文要減量其實真的沒有做到我們有沒有做有但是沒有做到所以我要拜託我們今天教室工會所講的我們希望行政專職化部長我們一樣能不能你把行政專職化可行性可能性把它提出來我們趕快來做請院長來支持好不好最後一點校事會議\n\n29:29.924 --> 29:55.936\n消失會議的檢討因為我時間剩的不夠部長我們去討論一下消失會議因為有八成的老師說現在已經形成了一種性癱恐怖有八成的人都曾經受過消失會議這樣子恐怖的一個經驗不管是自身還是別人所以未來我想我們對於匿名或是空辦指控這個部分我們要怎麼做然後要不要建立公開透明的制度都要把它做好來最後部長\n\n29:58.957 --> 30:10.905\n你寫了一封信給所有的老師但我希望你不要只有寄信給他們能不能找一個時間讓全國的教師公會派代表一起能夠跟你來面談他們所訴求的這些點你可以把時間播出來嗎我想這個政策的一個形式我們是非常歡迎各個不同的一個特別老師我也覺得給中南溫馨在跟老師的過關\n\n30:27.125 --> 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我想啊不要每次都用這樣的講法啦這個是唯一的答案啊這樣子的講法在很多地方其實我覺得都是可以再拿出來討論啦甚至有可能被打臉所以我覺得這個東西"},{"start":824.173,"end":848.861,"text":"你不要再這樣說了你不要再這樣說了如果在鐵路地下化的部分你要用這樣的理由啊我想我們全桃園市的市民都沒有辦法原諒你的所以我們繼續下一題我們看到這個少子化的部分也是嚴重的國安問題那少子化這個院長這個你應該知道從109年開始起我們就邁入了生不如死但現在嚴重到已經連續21個月是負成長那"},{"start":852.991,"end":881.73,"text":"這個五今年的五月份啊更嚴重哦打破了這個最低出生數的一個這個紀錄哦只有這個8433人哦這個少子化我相信行政院我們也也用過很多的方式想要去把這個狀況改善可是看起來哦我們的新生兒是不增反減哦我們來看一下哦行政院也很努力提出了好運三方案那其中一個最近啊大家覺得非常讚許的就是什麼院長生一胎多少錢生育補助"},{"start":882.458,"end":894.763,"text":"就是補各種的社會保險到10萬你就是好運三方愛擴大生育補助裡面生育胎給多少生育胎就補足到10萬元10萬那雙胞胎咧雙胞胎就照算了"},{"start":895.285,"end":915.406,"text":"那算是二十萬對不對三胞胎三十萬這樣最好對不對好那最好但是呢大家都很高興就前兩天人家跟我講說欸委員這個怪怪的第一個呢補助十萬我也不覺得誘因有這麼大就是說為了這十萬塊我就去省但是呢結果才發現您這個政策不是聲音胎補助十萬"},{"start":916.567,"end":940.396,"text":"合併社會保險的生育這個給付合併發放所以這裡我只有要簡單的提醒你們這個政策總是有比較多但是呢我覺得在這個政策的這宣導跟說明上面要精準啊不要讓大家以為啊十一胎就十萬啦兩胎就二十萬啦像運檔講了三胎就三十萬了不是嘛你看如果照你這樣講的話我們用最高勞保級距四萬五千八保險那一級"},{"start":940.816,"end":965.317,"text":"他原本就可以零到九萬一嘛所以他生一胎的時候他是八千四雙胞胎是一萬六他不要以為這裡有雙胞胎要零二十萬所以政策宣導精準一點好不好我們寫的很清楚補足到十萬那這個補足到十萬我們現在經過委員的建議我們說也可以說十萬塊就是給這個生產的媽媽做月子這個月補理十萬塊做月子這個講法也許大家更能夠聽得進去"},{"start":966.519,"end":980.318,"text":"現場我們第一個就是把它精準第二個當然你要另外發十萬我們當然也覺得很好啊那這個發越多我相信其實產婦孕婦大家是歡喜接受好 但是我們再來看統籌分配稅管就不要拿那麼多啊我們就多發一點"},{"start":981.209,"end":996.259,"text":"不要再講這樣了 院長你今天一整天的表現其實本席覺得還不錯真的有別你以前至少你都是聽得進去了我覺得你今天的表現今天是有加分啦你今天不錯 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那他們抗議的五點院長知道是哪五點嗎請委員指教那個報告主席這時候用上了沒有問題 時間暫停 等您放 好不好好OK 繼續 對"},{"start":1548.683,"end":1567.329,"text":"好 給一點時間讓院長看一下這五點我特別把那一天這些老師到教育部門口所陳情抗議的訴求今天帶到院長的面前讓院長重視知道這些問題今天我擇幾個比較重要的問題跟您討論第一個"},{"start":1569.13,"end":1594.587,"text":"基本薪资我们过去看到我们非常挺劳工朋友过去的10年我们的劳工朋友每一年我们都想办法帮他调薪但是我们看到我们的全国老师的期待总是一再落空连我们薪资审议的法制化都一直没有做包括我们人事行政总处这113年5月说那一年的年底我们就要把它法制化要把这个草案已经送到行政院了"},{"start":1594.867,"end":1603.84,"text":"但行政院還卡著所以院長我們有沒有辦法在今年的年底之前把這個修正的草案報到立法院來進行審議因為薪資這件事真的非常重要"},{"start":1604.787,"end":1624.781,"text":"可以嗎我再去參看看這個流程現在怎麼樣我記憶當中我沒有我沒有真的看到過這樣的來那院長我拜託您回去看一下好不好部長有沒有送這個案子好我們把這件事記住回去看一下第二個剛剛談的是薪資現在談的是更可憐的終點費終點費院長35年來只有調整過一次"},{"start":1629.484,"end":1657.058,"text":"35年來就調整過一次我們看到基本公司的工資的漲幅在過去這10年來在過去這20年來漲幅高達了187.9%這大家努力照顧我們的勞工朋友們可是我們看到國小老師的這個終點只有調整了29.2%國中跟高中老師的征服更只有5%而已所以院長這樣的薪資這樣終點分你怎麼留得住教師人才"},{"start":1658.078,"end":1676.665,"text":"怎麼留得住啦是不是那再來如果我們不解決這些問題教師荒是沒有辦法解決的我們再看到這點我跟部長這邊提一下我們在明年二月我們有沒有確定要調高特教就過去我們一直在討論的特教的這個職務的加級確不確定明年二月一定會調整現場已經批了"},{"start":1677.705,"end":1690.897,"text":"好 院長已經批了謝謝院長1800調到2800但是呢我提醒部長跟院長我們還有導師職務加級導師職務加級也已經非常多年沒有調整了我們能不能一併提出這個具體的調整計劃"},{"start":1692.694,"end":1710.196,"text":"部長你把它你把它擬一下我們一樣給院長看好不好我們導師的家籍的部分好不好好謝謝那再來呢我們再來看到就是行政減量的工作行政減量我過去我們已經努力了10年但行政工作一樣繁重那個院長"},{"start":1710.697,"end":1725.005,"text":"待會資訊結束後我要把這一點資料送給你你不要看它好像不是太厚的一點資料裡面數百項都是我們的各處事我們的主任我們的組長我們的導師數百項的行政工作在這裡"},{"start":1725.825,"end":1740.86,"text":"我們要知道這幾年不管是12年國教也好108新課綱也好重新上路一個政策我們的教法我們的升學制度要改變的時候我們所有的行政的作業多到真的太可怕了所以更不要去講說我們今天什麼"},{"start":1742.862,"end":1767.562,"text":"減少訪視評鑑什麼公文要減量其實真的沒有做到我們有沒有做 有但是沒有做到所以我要拜託我們今天教室工會所講的我們希望行政專職化部長我們一樣能不能你把行政專職化可行性可能性把它提出來我們趕快來做請院長來支持好不好最後一點校事會議"},{"start":1769.924,"end":1795.936,"text":"消失會議的檢討因為我時間剩的不夠部長我們去討論一下消失會議因為有八成的老師說現在已經形成了一種性癱恐怖有八成的人都曾經受過消失會議這樣子恐怖的一個經驗不管是自身還是別人所以未來我想我們對於匿名或是空辦指控這個部分我們要怎麼做然後要不要建立公開透明的制度都要把它做好來最後部長"},{"start":1798.957,"end":1810.905,"text":"你寫了一封信給所有的老師但我希望你不要只有寄信給他們能不能找一個時間讓全國的教師公會派代表一起能夠跟你來面談他們所訴求的這些點你可以把時間播出來嗎我想這個政策的一個形式我們是非常歡迎各個不同的一個特別老師我也覺得給中南溫馨在跟老師的過關"},{"start":1827.125,"end":1834.135,"text":"好 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覺得都是可以再拿出來討論，甚至有可能被打臉，所以我覺得這個東西你不要再這樣說了。"],["卓院長榮泰：你也選舉過、你也持家過，一個家庭的財政忽然拿出去四千多億，你怎麼處理呢？"],["萬委員美玲：你不要再這樣說了，如果在鐵路地下化的部分你要用這樣的理由，我想全桃園市的市民都沒有辦法原諒你。","我們繼續下一題，我們看到少子化的部分也是很嚴重的國安問題。關於少子化，院長，你應該知道，從109年開始我們就邁入了生不如死，現在嚴重到已經連續21個月是負成長；今年的5月份更嚴重，打破了最低出生數的紀錄，只有8,433人。為了解決少子化的問題，我相信行政院也用過很多方式想要把狀況改善，可是看起來我們的新生兒卻是不增反減。我們來看一下，行政院也很努力，提出了好孕三方案，其中一個最近大家覺得非常讚許的就是什麼？院長，生一胎多少錢？生育補助。"],["卓院長榮泰：就是補各種的社會保險到10萬……"],["萬委員美玲：沒有、沒有，就是好孕三方案擴大生育補助裡面，生一胎給多少？"],["卓院長榮泰：生一胎就補助補足到10萬元。"],["萬委員美玲：10萬，那雙胞胎呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：雙胞胎就照算。"],["萬委員美玲：照算是20萬，對不對？"],["卓院長榮泰：對。"],["萬委員美玲：三胞胎，30萬，這樣子嘛，對不對？"],["卓院長榮泰：對，那最好！"],["萬委員美玲：好，那最好。大家都很高興，結果前兩天人家來跟我講說：委員，這個怪怪的，第一個，補助10萬，我也不覺得誘因有這麼大，就是為了這10萬塊就去生。結果我才發現，您這個政策不是生一胎補助10萬……"],["卓院長榮泰：補足。"],["萬委員美玲：是要跟社會保險的生育給付合併發放。"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["萬委員美玲：所以這裡我只有要簡單地提醒你們，這個政策總是有比較多，但是我覺得在政策的宣導及說明上面要精準，不要讓大家以為生一胎就10萬，兩胎就20萬，像院長講的，三胎就30萬，不是嘛！你看，如果照你這樣講的話，我們用最高勞保級距4萬5,800元保險的那一級，他原本就可以領到九萬一，所以他生一胎的時候是領八千四，生雙胞胎是一萬六，他不要以為生了雙胞胎要領20萬。所以政策宣導精準一點，好不好？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們寫得很清楚，是補足到10萬……"],["萬委員美玲：好，對，我們就要把它……"],["卓院長榮泰：這個補足到10萬，我們現在經過委員的建議，也可以說這10萬塊就是給生產的媽媽坐月子，這個月補你10萬塊坐月子，這個講法也許大家更能夠聽得進去。"],["萬委員美玲：院長，我們第一個就是把它精準；第二個，你要另外發10萬，我們當然也覺得很好，發越多，我相信其實產婦、孕婦大家是歡喜接受。但是我們再來看……"],["卓院長榮泰：你們統籌分配稅款不要拿那麼多，我們就多發一點。"],["萬委員美玲：不要再講這樣了，院長，你今天一整天的表現……"],["卓院長榮泰：原因所在就在這裡。"],["萬委員美玲：你今天一整天的表現，其實本席覺得還不錯。"],["卓院長榮泰：是呀，原因、癥結就在這裡。"],["萬委員美玲：真的有別於你以前，至少你都聽得進去了，我覺得你今天的表現真的是有加分，好不好？"],["卓院長榮泰：真的從早上到現在都是很合理、很理性的對話，這是很理性的對話。"],["萬委員美玲：對，你今天不錯，希望繼續保持，好不好？"],["卓院長榮泰：好。"],["萬委員美玲：我們再來看，育兒津貼也是鼓勵生育很重要的。"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["萬委員美玲：我們在110年的時候調整到每個月有5,000塊的育兒津貼，很棒；但經過4年了，這4年我覺得有鑑於通貨膨脹、經濟的各項因素，院長，有沒有考慮我們明年把育兒津貼加碼？"],["卓院長榮泰：要加碼都要有比較周延性的考量，不是單就某一個社會福利單項來做加碼，我們可以有比較周延性的考量，政策性全面地往上提升。"],["萬委員美玲：請部長真的來研究一下，好不好？以這個5,000元為基礎，我們看看有沒有加碼空間。","接下來我們再看到，生育補助跟育兒補助之外，友善育嬰職場也非常地重要，所以我們看到勞動部也在努力，推出了彈性育嬰假，就是我們的勞工可以有30天的育嬰假按日請假，然後家庭照顧假可以按小時請假，有這個彈性好不好？好，但是這些都是無薪的，都是沒有薪水的，很多的……"],["洪部長申翰：這個是有薪、有津貼的，所以……"],["萬委員美玲：他們請假照樣是有薪？"],["洪部長申翰：當然，家庭照顧假是沒有薪水的，但是彈性的育嬰留停以日來請，政府是會給八成投保薪資的津貼，我們會給八成。"],["萬委員美玲：好，所以第一個是八成薪，第二個是無薪。不論如何，有很多人會覺得每一份薪水都是希望能夠領好領滿，所以這時候會不會用到？這是一個；第二個，會不會大家覺得要不然就請特休也就算了？所以我想這項政策即將上路，到時候我們去評估它的效果到哪裡。但是我給各位一個建議，我覺得除了這個彈性假之外，我們看到，如果我們可以去延長育嬰津貼的請領總月數，現在是幾個月？"],["洪部長申翰：是6個月。"],["萬委員美玲：6個月，好，我們來看看有沒有空間。如果今天可以提高，加1個月、加2個月，我覺得這個誘因其實會更大。另外，我們的7天有薪家庭照顧假，我希望這一點能夠比照公務員來做。院長，你知不知道家庭照顧假跟育嬰假在我們來說現在是一國兩制？"],["卓院長榮泰：一國兩制？不同身分嗎？"],["萬委員美玲：請部長告訴院長為什麼一國兩制。"],["洪部長申翰：確實現在勞工的家庭照顧假是無薪的，那我們當然也有考慮是不是要能夠有薪，可是這個可能要從兩個角度，要不就是企業出，要不就是政府出。"],["萬委員美玲：院長，您剛剛也嚇一跳對不對？好，我告訴您，我們的公務人員有7天的家庭照顧假，是有薪的，對不對？但是勞工不是。"],["卓院長榮泰：因為不同身分嘛！"],["萬委員美玲：好，再來，如果有祖父母來申請育嬰留職停薪，因為現在很多孩子是祖父母在帶的，目前考試院也要放寬公務人員可以請育孫假，但是勞工一樣沒有，所以其實本席已經提案去修正性別工作平等法第二十條、第十六條，我們希望能夠給勞工朋友7天的有薪家庭照顧假，也希望同步的開放祖父母可以請育孫假，院長認不認同本席這樣的修法？"],["卓院長榮泰：部長說明一下。"],["萬委員美玲：院長，你認同嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：先讓部長說明一下政策的考量。"],["洪部長申翰：如果要讓家庭照顧假有薪的話，就是兩個方面，要嘛是政府出，要嘛是企業出，那當然如果要政府出，現在的財務是比較困難……"],["萬委員美玲：部長，您講得很好，我跟你說，如果政府挺企業，企業就會挺勞工，所以是有很多方式可以做的。部長，你要去想一想，包括相關的政策補助、相關的租稅優惠等等，你要去思考看看有什麼方式是讓我們挺企業、企業去挺勞工，好不好？","接下來我想繼續就教院長，現在賴總統是不是有提到家庭只要有一個小孩就可以聘請外勞？你知道這件事嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：有在研議這個方向。"],["萬委員美玲：你同意嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們願意朝這個方向。"],["萬委員美玲：你贊成嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我個人認為以照顧小孩來看是需要的，也能夠多分擔婦女的一些工作。"],["萬委員美玲：部長，您贊成嗎？"],["洪部長申翰：我們現在確實對這個政策在評估中。"],["萬委員美玲：部長，我想是這樣子，當然對於總統講出來的話，我不能在這裡問你：你贊不贊成？這樣太為難你了，但你要發揮你的專業告訴他這樣好或不好。我想我們現在有保母、托嬰中心，如果你這樣放寬，其實他們是會受到衝擊的，所以我希望你能發揮你的專業跟總統這邊溝通一下。"],["洪部長申翰：我們會在這個政策的規劃裡面也一起思考本國的就業問題。"],["萬委員美玲：再來，我想一樣就教一個我一直關心的老問題，就是我們的護理師荒。"],["卓院長榮泰：護理師。"],["萬委員美玲：對，護理師荒，我們看到護理人員的總執業率現在只剩下62%，關床潮非常的嚴重。院長，這一次賴總統有提到我們有幫公立醫院的醫護人員加薪最多到11%，但是事實上其實基層並不買單，因為加薪無感，為什麼？因為我們這一次是只有加公立醫院公職醫護人員的專業加給，而且在公立醫院裡頭不是所有的醫護人員都有加。那我們來看看，目前在我們部立醫院7,982名的護理人員當中，有6,027個不是公職的護理人員，所以他沒有專業加給，他當然沒辦法加薪啊！所以像這樣一院兩制怪不怪？當然奇怪啊！大家都同樣是在部立醫院工作啊！衛福部也曾經說過賴總統、卓院長要支持公立醫院留才，所以我們給這些人加薪，但是留才有真的留到嗎？我們來看一下這個表格，有一點值得稱讚一下，就是我們整體的離職率從13.19%降到10.45%，但是這不值得高興，為什麼？因為你可以看到非公職離職率的占比都是九成多啊！所以你有解決這個問題嗎？部長，因為時間的關係，我待會還要問一個很重要的問題，關於這一題，院長能不能指示部長來研究一下看我們怎麼樣讓非公職的醫護人員也可以調薪的方案，在會後給我這個部分，這樣我們才可以讓所有在同一個醫院裡面的醫護人員能夠大家一起都加薪，好不好？"],["卓院長榮泰：在公立醫院應該要有一致的標準，我請部長答復。"],["石部長崇良：跟委員報告，行政院核定從今年開始有4年的護理人力12項策略是編列275億，第一年就投入68.85億，這裡面包含了夜班津貼還有三班護病比達標獎勵。另外，健保的部分，我們也是4年100億投入在調高護理人員薪資。"],["萬委員美玲：部長，我要幫護理人員請命，而且我不同意一院兩制……"],["石部長崇良：在公立醫院裡面我們都……"],["萬委員美玲：麻煩你在會後送一份詳細的政策資料到本席辦公室來，好嗎？"],["石部長崇良：好的。"],["萬委員美玲：可以嘛？"],["石部長崇良：好的。"],["萬委員美玲：好，接下來是本席最在意的，關於教育部，我們有教師荒，院長，我們現在全臺灣累計有二十二萬六千多名取得教師證的老師，但是這當中有高達七萬四千多人沒有在教育現場擔任教師，你知道這個數字是多麼嚴重的教育上的損失嗎？國家投入了這麼多的資源、人力去栽培，但是他們卻沒有進入這個職場。我們再看到，從108年到112年過去這5年來比較，我們的任教率節節敗退，從70.95%一直掉、一直掉，掉到只剩下60%，有四成的人不願意進來，什麼原因我們等一下來討論。所以我們看到正式的老師招不滿，代理代課的老師找不到，教師荒的問題很嚴重，不能說我有在想辦法解決，可是問題就是擺在眼前。","再來我們看到，我們剛剛也有講到代理代課教師，之前有個數字說差8,000人，我看教育部很不服氣地說沒有8,000啦，兩百七十幾人啦！不，部長，這兩百七十幾人怎麼補起來的？很多教師可能是不得已，可能是人情，可能是被迫超鐘點上課，退休老師也要挖回來幫忙，所以才降了一個漂亮的數字給大家看。可是我們不能這樣子啊，對不對？我們要把問題找出來去根本解決嘛，這種救急的方式不是長遠之道。","所以我們看到，這一次謝謝我們大家一起努力讓教師節既紀念又能放假，給老師一種尊重，也讓他們可以休養生息。但有很多老師在教師節那一天沒有休息，他幹嘛？來到教育部門口抗議啊，對不對？他們抗議的五點，院長知道是哪五點嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：請委員指教。"],["萬委員美玲：報告主席，這時候用上了。"],["主席：沒有問題，時間暫停，等您放好，好不好？","好，OK，繼續。"],["萬委員美玲：好，給一點時間讓院長看一下這五點。我特別把那一天這些老師到教育部門口所陳情抗議的訴求，今天帶到院長的面前，讓院長重視、知道這些問題。今天我擇幾個比較重要的問題跟您討論，第一個是基本薪資。我們看到過去我們非常挺勞工朋友，過去10年我們每一年都想辦法幫勞工朋友他們調薪，但是我們看到，全國老師的期待總是一再地落空，連薪資審議的法制化都一直沒有做。包括人事行政總處在113年的5月說，那一年的年底我們就要把它法制化，這個草案已經送到行政院了，但行政院還卡著。所以，院長，我們有沒有辦法在今年的年底之前把這個修正草案報到立法院來進行審議？因為薪資這件事真的非常重要，可以嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我再去看看這個流程現在怎麼樣，因為在我記憶當中，我沒有真的看到過這樣的內容。"],["萬委員美玲：好，那院長，我拜託您回去看一下，好不好？"],["卓院長榮泰：部長有沒有送這個案子？"],["萬委員美玲：好，我們把這件事記住，回去看一下。","第二個，剛剛談的是薪資，現在要談的是更可憐的鐘點費。關於鐘點費，院長，35年來只有調整過一次，我們看到基本工資的調整，在過去這20年來漲幅高達187.9%，這是大家努力照顧我們的勞工朋友們，可是我們看到國小老師的鐘點費只有調整了29.2%，國中跟高中老師的增幅更只有5%而已啊！所以，院長，這樣的薪資、這樣的鐘點費你怎麼留得住教師人才啦？怎麼留得住啦！是不是？如果我們不解決這些問題，教師荒是沒有辦法解決的。","我們再看到，這一點我跟部長這邊提一下，我們在明年2月有沒有確定要調高特教加給，就是過去我們一直在討論的特教的職務加給，確不確定明年2月一定會調整？"],["鄭部長英耀：院長已經批了。"],["萬委員美玲：好，院長已經批了。謝謝院長，從1,800調到2,800，但是我提醒部長跟院長，我們還有導師職務加給，導師職務加給也已經非常多年沒有調整了，我們能不能一併提出具體的調整計畫？","部長，你把它擬一下，我們一樣給院長看，好不好？有關導師加給的部分，好不好？好，謝謝。","再來，我們再來看到的就是行政減量的工作，行政減量過去我們已經努力了10年，但行政工作一樣繁重。院長，待會質詢結束以後，我要把這一疊資料送給您。你不要看它好像不是太厚的一疊資料，裡面數百項都是我們的各處室主任、我們的組長、我們的導師，數百項的行政工作在這裡啊。我們要知道，這幾年不管是十二年國教也好，108新課綱也好，當重新上路一個政策，我們的教法、升學制度要改變的時候，所有行政作業多到真的太可怕了，更不要去講今天什麼減少訪視評鑑、什麼公文要減量啦！其實真的沒有做到，我們有沒有做？有！但是沒有做到。所以我要拜託，如今天教師工會所講的，我們希望行政專職化。部長，一樣的，能不能請你把行政專職化的可行性、可能性提出來，我們趕快來做，請院長來支持，好不好？","最後一點是校事會議的檢討，因為我時間剩得不多，部長，我們去討論一下校事會議，因為有八成的老師說現在已經形成了一種杏壇恐怖，有八成的人都曾經受過校事會議恐怖的經驗，不管自身還是別人，所以未來對於匿名或是空泛指控的部分我們要怎麼做，還有要不要建立公開透明的制度，都要把它做好。最後，部長，你寫了一封信給所有老師，但我希望你不要只有寄信給他們，能不能找一個時間，讓全國教師工會派代表一起能夠跟你來面談他們所訴求的這些點，你可以把時間撥出來嗎？"],["鄭部長英耀：當然可以，政策的形成我們是非常歡迎各個不同的團體及個別老師參與，事實上我也在北中南分區跟老師們座談，我非常清楚老師們的事情。"],["萬委員美玲：謝謝部長，我們就來安排一個時間，好不好？"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員。"],["萬委員美玲：給我一點點時間，我把這份資料交給院長。院長，你一定要看喔！你回去不要把它丟到廢紙簍裡面，好不好？"],["卓院長榮泰：不會、不會。"],["萬委員美玲：這看似一小疊資料，你拿得很輕鬆，但是可能嘉惠所有老師，所以拜託你們，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝萬美玲委員質詢，謝謝卓院長、各部會首長備詢。萬美玲委員所索取的資料，麻煩各相關部會送到萬美玲委員研究室，謝謝。","接下來我們請陳瑩委員質詢，柯志恩委員請準備。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":23,"meet_id":"院會-11-4-4","speakers":["韓國瑜","江啟臣"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2025-10-14"],"gazette_id":"1147901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1147901_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第4會期第4次會議紀錄","content":"報告事項","agenda_id":"1147901_00001"}}}