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00:01:32,158\n說好聽呢是要扶持自耕農但是呢到後來呢卻停止繼續辦理這個工地放零沒有把這個土地全數發放出去那這簡直就是用詐騙的手法來搶取豪奪人民的土地而且目前政府所持有的這些未發放的土地比較精確的來說這根本就是犯罪所得是不法所得而且是髒物\n\n4\n00:01:33,865 --> 00:01:52,057\n我們回顧歷史在1945年戰後國民政府接收所有的日產包括廣大的農地還有供應設施原本應該透過工地放領落實跟擇有棲田的理想讓沒有土地的農民擁有自己的土地\n\n5\n00:01:52,978 --> 00:02:21,435\n但是呢工地放嶺呢卻只有進行到1976年變突然停止那剩餘的數萬傾的這個數萬工傾的工地它沒有放嶺那轉為這個國有資產或者是都市開發用地那我想這個不僅是背離土地改革的初衷也讓這個世代農民的權益蒙城更讓我們政府的誠信蒙羞啊我想院長\n\n6\n00:02:23,922 --> 00:02:38,881\n這種政策的斷層難道不是說對農民的一種背叛或者也算是對原地主的一種詐欺那麼民進黨政府我認為不應該再替前政府保管這些不法\n\n7\n00:02:39,562 --> 00:03:00,455\n的這個土地那要嘛不罰所得的土地要嘛呢我們發給發還給這個原地主再不然就要盡速放零給資格符合的農民那作為執政黨呢本心認為我們有責任要檢討前朝遺留的這個政策問題要推動這個土地正義\n\n8\n00:03:01,696 --> 00:03:27,034\n最近在宜蘭大南澳地區有試辦工地放零涉及了80公頃的台拓地讓長期耕作的農民以低價來購買土地不曉得說這項試辦的成效如何接下來是否會擴大辦理謝謝委員關心歷史上遺留下來的問題\n\n9\n00:03:28,274 --> 00:03:50,913\n我跟委員報告現在政府存在一方面是向未來要加速前進另外一方面也是為歷史解決多年遺留下來的問題那您說的這個問題就是這樣子所以我一直說我們要為老問題找新方法為新問題找好方法我們為這個老問題我們去嘗試的從剛剛您所談到的大南澳的這個\n\n10\n00:03:52,199 --> 00:03:54,480\n台東的案件是非常多的面積也很多名列前茅\n\n11\n00:04:17,273 --> 00:04:40,857\n在處理這個大南澳台的問題的時候我們也請內政部就從全國的相關問題做一個總結做一個盤點如果請部長來做說明謝謝陳委員對於工地放領的關心其實我們院長在5月6號的時候已經有條件放領國有平地耕地優先辦理就是您剛所說的宜蘭的大南澳尤其是台拓地為主\n\n12\n00:04:41,557 --> 00:05:02,270\n但是我們也去盤點出來未來會朝著三個方向就是如果符合國土保安保育跟公共安全的話內政部跟財政部的國產署會針對山坡地還有平地耕地還有養殖用地這三個方向來做包括放領條件現在我們正在盤點所有的法令依據以及從\n\n13\n00:05:03,411 --> 00:05:29,960\n以前到現在的為止的所有的租約的比數跟相關的面積那您所提到的台東的部分當然相當多包括農牧用地也好或平地耕地的都在內那現在我們跟國產署一筆一筆再重新做一下這方面的盤點那盤點出來以後如果有這個法令依據的話我們按照法令依據上面的這個程序呢按照行政院的指示來辦理好謝謝兩位我想那個\n\n14\n00:05:32,093 --> 00:05:47,123\n海東的農民聽到真的會他們會微笑我們會非常的努力這也是總統多次的指示該是屬於人民的財產那經過這麼多年沒有辦法處理政府應該有一套完整的機制跟政策\n\n15\n00:05:47,583 --> 00:06:16,576\n以及推送的這個目標日時程在這段時間我們我跟莊瑞雄委員我們也就是到下鄉我們開了很多的這個說明會研討會那聽取很多農民的意見那很多來的農民他們真的年紀都很大對這件事情也等了很久那過去我對於這個原住民的原保地我們辦公室也花了相當多的心力幫很多的原住民朋友拿回土地來但是我想我們\n\n16\n00:06:17,356 --> 00:06:31,846\n其他族群的朋友也是一樣所以這個部分希望大家可以我們整個執政團隊大家一起加油趕快把這些還沒發放完的土地讓大家放領這樣子\n\n17\n00:06:32,947 --> 00:06:51,943\n是我們按照法令依據來做這個放檸的一個程序好謝謝那個內政部長請回那個院長您在這一次的這個我們花家沙的風災我知道你到花蓮光復至少去了三趟是\n\n18\n00:06:53,783 --> 00:07:15,268\n總統也去了兩次我想在座的部會首長、正副首長也去了很多趟副總統也去了三趟有我自己辦公室的團隊還有地方團隊我們也下去支援而且從第一天都是女生進駐在當地一直到現在還在\n\n19\n00:07:18,869 --> 00:07:32,826\n我想我自己本身也去了很多趟我想跟院長分享一下這次我對於執政團隊到花蓮救災的一個觀察\n\n20\n00:07:34,643 --> 00:07:48,315\n我個人相當肯定行政團隊一件事情就是這一次大家下去團隊不分彼此機關的政府首長我知道有人去了十幾天\n\n21\n00:07:49,036 --> 00:08:08,295\n連續都沒有回家那我也謝謝各部會的就是說大家都沒有去分彼此也沒有去計較說這個是不是我自己機關本身的職長有狀況就立刻補進來就通報就馬上支援\n\n22\n00:08:08,935 --> 00:08:19,582\n這個是我對於這次大家下去糾栽整個行政院內閣團隊的一個觀察在這邊也跟院長報告我要藉這個機會我要在這裡謝謝衛福部機關署的\n\n23\n00:08:25,405 --> 00:08:49,244\n署長羅一鈞幫忙勞動部和勞動部責任署拍片提醒產值超人要注意安全要戴口罩手套等個人的防護用具那我也要謝謝環境部環管署署長顏旭明在災區他不斷的就是沿途他都不斷的一直提醒大家說不要站在怪手操作的半徑內非常危險這也是勞動部在職業安全衛生設施規則所訂定的\n\n24\n00:08:50,885 --> 00:09:17,451\n那我也要謝謝環境部部長彭啟明具有職業安全衛生的專業知識提醒產值超人要戴護目鏡而且要注意下水道的通風換氣主動聯繫金管會還有保險局商討花蓮光復鄉志工意外保險那我還要感謝光復國中校長黃建榮雖然學校地下室淤泥很高但是他不隨便讓志工進去幫忙\n\n25\n00:09:18,191 --> 00:09:44,350\n因為為了要避免這個發生有這個局限空間缺氧的問題這是勞動部在職業安全衛生所設職業衛生安全設施規則所訂定的是為了要保護工作者那我也要在這裡謝謝不知名的愛心人士在光復火車站為產值超人準備就在工作上所需的除了大家常見的口罩手套護目鏡以外還有\n\n26\n00:09:44,730 --> 00:10:02,884\n大批的防穿刺的鞋墊跟雨鞋防穿刺的雨鞋那避免志工在工作時被剝離或者是釘子刺傷那我也要謝謝衛福部石崇良部長理解救災的志工是接受政府的號召有組織從屬性\n\n27\n00:10:05,566 --> 00:10:28,558\n組織重屬性很重要我重複所以沒有像勞動部一樣計較過市的挖土機超人是不是在上班時間到災區直接核定20萬元的慰問金並且代替勞動部統籌設計保險的QRcode我在這裡也要謝謝外籍的勞工朋友們聽從僱主的指揮調度\n\n28\n00:10:29,378 --> 00:10:43,383\n到災區協助救災完工之後這些外籍的勞工朋友們甚至要求雇主說要用自己的假期留下來繼續幫忙這個都是相當感人的事情我們台灣真的要謝謝他們\n\n29\n00:10:44,784 --> 00:11:11,736\n我最後還要謝謝農業部負責為災區所有執行救災的工作的個人志工這原先在保險是不知道大家怎麼處理有點麻煩的那我謝謝農業部為這些個人的志工投保志工保險那我再次肯定行政院不分你我那就是互相支援我在這裡要給大家拍拍手\n\n30\n00:11:12,806 --> 00:11:39,827\n謝謝委員不敢當您剛提到的凡是屬於行政團隊的成員都是我們應該做必須做的我特別要提到一位就是我們水利署的林淵鵬署長他可以說從9月23、24開始到現在沒有離開過現場我們還有的人可以去別的工作再換班因為他一定要把那個合體給他做好我也要非常謝謝光復商工的陳校長我進到學校看他在介紹說明整個學校受損狀況\n\n31\n00:11:41,701 --> 00:11:58,030\n那種詳細跟他出自內心的那種焦慮我們完全感受所以當天有幾百位的志工幾百位國軍弟兄在幫忙時間很有限我們沒有辦法一一答謝但我只想說的救災的現場他就是像工地一樣\n\n32\n00:11:59,588 --> 00:12:26,395\n我們包括部會首長自己下去該有什麼保護措施都不知道所以在這裡最專業的是勞動部如果可以的話他們下去支援我想會更專業我想就做這樣子的大家的一個加油鼓勵我接下來請交通部部長我想這次花蓮光復的災情有大批的超人志工湧入這個\n\n33\n00:12:27,935 --> 00:12:48,964\n這個光復車站就是塞爆這個車站那20天累積了這個50萬人次創歷史新高那除了台鐵加開班次英之外呢這個景象代表兩件事就是第一個我們花東地區鐵路是非常重要的工具那第二點就是鐵路實施這個雙軌電氣化的重要性只因為就是\n\n34\n00:12:51,546 --> 00:13:15,246\n應該說只有這個全線雙軌電氣化才能排除列車灰車的問題然後增加列車班次提高運量所以我想請教一下就是花東地區鐵路雙軌電氣化預計2027年完工現在完成的進度大概多少大概完成百分比多少然後2027年底有沒有辦法如期完工請簡短回答\n\n35\n00:13:15,906 --> 00:13:35,064\n報告委員目前我們是完成了43.59%那我們目前正在修正計畫當中兩個部分一個部分是經費有提高提高到691億另外我們的工期其實有延長因為我們之前遇到疫情的問題還有就是東部確實是比較缺工所以如期完工接下來在民國120年會完成120年那個好\n\n36\n00:13:42,136 --> 00:13:43,718\n所以120年2031年2031年\n\n37\n00:13:50,526 --> 00:14:14,198\n2031年我現在問的是花東鐵路雙軌電氣化的部分還要到2031年這個又本來以為2027年底會完成現在又整個大延後2031好那這個期程就沒有辦法再提早了我們會盡量來趕工\n\n38\n00:14:14,949 --> 00:14:30,306\n那整個規劃的經費有增加嗎有增加增加到691億本來是合訂了456億那我們總共增加了235億好謝謝那因為我了解就是說因為安全的考量喔列車是無法提高加速到這個160\n\n39\n00:14:33,316 --> 00:15:01,507\n每小時160公里那這個花東地區鐵路提速的計畫你們有聽說要修正再送我們研議過了就是說提速的計畫目前有研議過因為安全的問題所以無法提速到160但是它的速度可以適度的提高例如說我們雙軌電氣化完成之後我們的運作的速率一定會提高還有部分如果假使我們的路廊可以更封閉的話我們的提速也會更快\n\n40\n00:15:01,667 --> 00:15:14,934\n我想更重要的就是南回雙軌電器化的這件事情我也請在這裡要求我們交通部要一併來加速處理\n\n41\n00:15:16,995 --> 00:15:34,250\n一併規劃因為花蓮它就靠花東鐵路把人潮運過來但是台東我們也靠南回也靠花東鐵路所以這個部分要拜託你們一定要儘早趕快把這個計畫把它提報然後合併通過\n\n42\n00:15:53,295 --> 00:15:53,715\n好谢谢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n17399\t20960\t主席好 麻煩請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢陳委員好院長好 辛苦了今天本席要針對台灣土地改革遺留的歷史問題特別是工地放嶺的中斷以及剩餘工地的處理提出質詢\n45547\t63562\t在1949年 國民政府來台 隨後接收日產所有的土地後來1953年 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名列前茅\n257273\t280857\t在處理這個大南澳台的問題的時候我們也請內政部就從全國的相關問題做一個總結做一個盤點如果請部長來做說明謝謝陳委員對於工地放領的關心其實我們院長在5月6號的時候已經有條件放領國有平地耕地優先辦理就是您剛所說的宜蘭的大南澳尤其是台拓地為主\n281557\t302270\t但是我們也去盤點出來未來會朝著三個方向就是如果符合國土保安保育跟公共安全的話內政部跟財政部的國產署會針對山坡地還有平地耕地還有養殖用地這三個方向來做包括放領條件現在我們正在盤點所有的法令依據以及從\n303411\t329960\t以前到現在的為止的所有的租約的比數跟相關的面積那您所提到的台東的部分當然相當多包括農牧用地也好或平地耕地的都在內那現在我們跟國產署一筆一筆再重新做一下這方面的盤點那盤點出來以後如果有這個法令依據的話我們按照法令依據上面的這個程序呢按照行政院的指示來辦理好謝謝兩位我想那個\n332093\t347123\t海東的農民聽到真的會 他們會微笑我們會非常的努力這也是總統多次的指示該是屬於人民的財產那經過這麼多年沒有辦法處理政府應該有一套完整的機制跟政策\n347583\t376576\t以及推送的這個目標日時程在這段時間我們我跟莊瑞雄委員我們也就是到下鄉我們開了很多的這個說明會研討會那聽取很多農民的意見那很多來的農民他們真的年紀都很大對這件事情也等了很久那過去我對於這個原住民的原保地我們辦公室也花了相當多的心力幫很多的原住民朋友拿回土地來但是我想我們\n377356\t391846\t其他族群的朋友也是一樣所以這個部分希望大家可以我們整個執政團隊大家一起加油趕快把這些還沒發放完的土地讓大家放領這樣子\n392947\t411943\t是 我們按照法令依據來做這個放檸的一個程序好 謝謝 那個內政部長請回那個院長您在這一次的這個我們花家沙的風災我知道你到花蓮光復至少去了三趟是\n413783\t435268\t總統也去了兩次我想在座的部會首長、正副首長也去了很多趟副總統也去了三趟有我自己辦公室的團隊還有地方團隊我們也下去支援而且從第一天都是女生進駐在當地一直到現在還在\n438869\t452826\t我想 我自己本身也去了很多趟我想跟院長分享一下這次我對於執政團隊到花蓮救災的一個觀察\n454643\t468315\t我個人相當肯定行政團隊一件事情就是這一次大家下去團隊不分彼此機關的政府首長我知道有人去了十幾天\n469036\t488295\t連續都沒有回家那我也謝謝各部會的就是說大家都沒有去分彼此也沒有去計較說這個是不是我自己機關本身的職長有狀況就立刻補進來就通報就馬上支援\n488935\t499582\t這個是我對於這次大家下去糾栽整個行政院內閣團隊的一個觀察在這邊也跟院長報告我要藉這個機會我要在這裡謝謝衛福部機關署的\n505405\t529244\t署長羅一鈞幫忙勞動部和勞動部責任署拍片提醒產值超人要注意安全要戴口罩手套等個人的防護用具那我也要謝謝環境部環管署署長顏旭明在災區他不斷的就是沿途他都不斷的一直提醒大家說不要站在怪手操作的半徑內非常危險這也是勞動部在職業安全衛生設施規則所訂定的\n530885\t557451\t那我也要謝謝環境部部長彭啟明具有職業安全衛生的專業知識提醒產值超人要戴護目鏡而且要注意下水道的通風換氣主動聯繫金管會還有保險局商討花蓮光復鄉志工意外保險那我還要感謝光復國中校長黃建榮雖然學校地下室淤泥很高但是他不隨便讓志工進去幫忙\n558191\t584350\t因為為了要避免這個發生有這個局限空間缺氧的問題這是勞動部在職業安全衛生所設職業衛生安全設施規則所訂定的是為了要保護工作者那我也要在這裡謝謝不知名的愛心人士在光復火車站為產值超人準備就在工作上所需的除了大家常見的口罩手套護目鏡以外還有\n584730\t602884\t大批的防穿刺的鞋墊跟雨鞋防穿刺的雨鞋那避免志工在工作時被剝離或者是釘子刺傷那我也要謝謝衛福部石崇良部長理解救災的志工是接受政府的號召有組織從屬性\n605566\t628558\t組織重屬性很重要我重複所以沒有像勞動部一樣計較過市的挖土機超人是不是在上班時間到災區直接核定20萬元的慰問金並且代替勞動部統籌設計保險的QR code我在這裡也要謝謝外籍的勞工朋友們聽從僱主的指揮調度\n629378\t643383\t到災區協助救災完工之後這些外籍的勞工朋友們甚至要求雇主說要用自己的假期留下來繼續幫忙這個都是相當感人的事情我們台灣真的要謝謝他們\n644784\t671736\t我最後還要謝謝農業部負責為災區所有執行救災的工作的個人志工這原先在保險是不知道大家怎麼處理有點麻煩的那我謝謝農業部為這些個人的志工投保志工保險那我再次肯定行政院不分你我那就是互相支援我在這裡要給大家拍拍手\n672806\t699827\t謝謝委員 不敢當您剛提到的凡是屬於行政團隊的成員都是我們應該做必須做的我特別要提到一位就是我們水利署的林淵鵬署長他可以說從9月23、24開始到現在沒有離開過現場我們還有的人可以去別的工作再換班因為他一定要把那個合體給他做好我也要非常謝謝光復商工的陳校長我進到學校看他在介紹說明整個學校受損狀況\n701701\t718030\t那種詳細跟他出自內心的那種焦慮我們完全感受所以當天有幾百位的志工幾百位國軍弟兄在幫忙時間很有限我們沒有辦法一一答謝但我只想說的救災的現場他就是像工地一樣\n719588\t746395\t我們包括部會首長自己下去該有什麼保護措施都不知道所以在這裡最專業的是勞動部如果可以的話他們下去支援我想會更專業我想就做這樣子的大家的一個加油鼓勵我接下來請交通部部長我想這次花蓮光復的災情有大批的超人志工湧入這個\n747935\t768964\t這個光復車站就是塞爆這個車站那20天累積了這個50萬人次創歷史新高那除了台鐵加開班次英之外呢這個景象代表兩件事就是第一個我們花東地區鐵路是非常重要的工具那第二點就是鐵路實施這個雙軌電氣化的重要性只因為就是\n771546\t795246\t應該說只有這個全線雙軌電氣化才能排除列車灰車的問題然後增加列車班次提高運量所以我想請教一下就是花東地區鐵路雙軌電氣化預計2027年完工現在完成的進度大概多少大概完成百分比多少然後2027年底有沒有辦法如期完工請簡短回答\n795906\t815064\t報告委員目前我們是完成了43.59%那我們目前正在修正計畫當中兩個部分一個部分是經費有提高提高到691億另外我們的工期其實有延長因為我們之前遇到疫情的問題還有就是東部確實是比較缺工所以如期完工接下來在民國120年會完成120年那個好\n822136\t823718\t所以120年2031年2031年\n830526\t854198\t2031年我現在問的是花東鐵路雙軌電氣化的部分還要到2031年這個又本來以為2027年底會完成現在又整個大延後2031好那這個期程就沒有辦法再提早了我們會盡量來趕工\n854949\t870306\t那整個規劃的經費有增加嗎有增加 增加到691億本來是合訂了456億那我們總共增加了235億好 謝謝那因為我了解就是說因為安全的考量喔列車是無法提高加速到這個160\n873316\t901507\t每小時160公里那這個花東地區鐵路提速的計畫你們有聽說要修正再送我們研議過了就是說提速的計畫目前有研議過因為安全的問題所以無法提速到160但是它的速度可以適度的提高例如說我們雙軌電氣化完成之後我們的運作的速率一定會提高還有部分如果假使我們的路廊可以更封閉的話我們的提速也會更快\n901667\t914934\t我想更重要的就是南回雙軌電器化的這件事情我也請在這裡要求我們交通部要一併來加速處理\n916995\t934250\t一併規劃因為花蓮它就靠花東鐵路把人潮運過來但是台東我們也靠南回也靠花東鐵路所以這個部分要拜託你們一定要儘早趕快把這個計畫把它提報然後合併通過\n953295\t953715\t好谢谢\n","txt":"主席好 麻煩請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢陳委員好院長好 辛苦了今天本席要針對台灣土地改革遺留的歷史問題特別是工地放嶺的中斷以及剩餘工地的處理提出質詢\n在1949年 國民政府來台 隨後接收日產所有的土地後來1953年 國民政府假借實施耕者有棲田的民意大肆地強行徵收大地主的土地以及地主自己沒有耕種的土地\n說好聽呢是要扶持自耕農但是呢到後來呢卻停止繼續辦理這個工地放零沒有把這個土地全數發放出去那這簡直就是用詐騙的手法來搶取豪奪人民的土地而且目前政府所持有的這些未發放的土地比較精確的來說這根本就是犯罪所得是不法所得而且是髒物\n我們回顧歷史在1945年戰後國民政府接收所有的日產包括廣大的農地還有供應設施原本應該透過工地放領落實跟擇有棲田的理想讓沒有土地的農民擁有自己的土地\n但是呢工地放嶺呢卻只有進行到1976年變突然停止那剩餘的數萬傾的這個數萬工傾的工地它沒有放嶺那轉為這個國有資產或者是都市開發用地那我想這個不僅是背離土地改革的初衷也讓這個世代農民的權益蒙城更讓我們政府的誠信蒙羞啊我想院長\n這種政策的斷層難道不是說對農民的一種背叛或者也算是對原地主的一種詐欺那麼民進黨政府我認為不應該再替前政府保管這些不法\n的這個土地那要嘛不罰所得的土地要嘛呢我們發給發還給這個原地主再不然就要盡速放零給資格符合的農民那作為執政黨呢本心認為我們有責任要檢討前朝遺留的這個政策問題要推動這個土地正義\n最近在宜蘭大南澳地區有試辦工地放零涉及了80公頃的台拓地讓長期耕作的農民以低價來購買土地不曉得說這項試辦的成效如何接下來是否會擴大辦理謝謝委員關心歷史上遺留下來的問題\n我跟委員報告現在政府存在一方面是向未來要加速前進另外一方面也是為歷史解決多年遺留下來的問題那您說的這個問題就是這樣子所以我一直說我們要為老問題找新方法為新問題找好方法我們為這個老問題我們去嘗試的從剛剛您所談到的大南澳的這個\n台東的案件是非常多的 面積也很多 名列前茅\n在處理這個大南澳台的問題的時候我們也請內政部就從全國的相關問題做一個總結做一個盤點如果請部長來做說明謝謝陳委員對於工地放領的關心其實我們院長在5月6號的時候已經有條件放領國有平地耕地優先辦理就是您剛所說的宜蘭的大南澳尤其是台拓地為主\n但是我們也去盤點出來未來會朝著三個方向就是如果符合國土保安保育跟公共安全的話內政部跟財政部的國產署會針對山坡地還有平地耕地還有養殖用地這三個方向來做包括放領條件現在我們正在盤點所有的法令依據以及從\n以前到現在的為止的所有的租約的比數跟相關的面積那您所提到的台東的部分當然相當多包括農牧用地也好或平地耕地的都在內那現在我們跟國產署一筆一筆再重新做一下這方面的盤點那盤點出來以後如果有這個法令依據的話我們按照法令依據上面的這個程序呢按照行政院的指示來辦理好謝謝兩位我想那個\n海東的農民聽到真的會 他們會微笑我們會非常的努力這也是總統多次的指示該是屬於人民的財產那經過這麼多年沒有辦法處理政府應該有一套完整的機制跟政策\n以及推送的這個目標日時程在這段時間我們我跟莊瑞雄委員我們也就是到下鄉我們開了很多的這個說明會研討會那聽取很多農民的意見那很多來的農民他們真的年紀都很大對這件事情也等了很久那過去我對於這個原住民的原保地我們辦公室也花了相當多的心力幫很多的原住民朋友拿回土地來但是我想我們\n其他族群的朋友也是一樣所以這個部分希望大家可以我們整個執政團隊大家一起加油趕快把這些還沒發放完的土地讓大家放領這樣子\n是 我們按照法令依據來做這個放檸的一個程序好 謝謝 那個內政部長請回那個院長您在這一次的這個我們花家沙的風災我知道你到花蓮光復至少去了三趟是\n總統也去了兩次我想在座的部會首長、正副首長也去了很多趟副總統也去了三趟有我自己辦公室的團隊還有地方團隊我們也下去支援而且從第一天都是女生進駐在當地一直到現在還在\n我想 我自己本身也去了很多趟我想跟院長分享一下這次我對於執政團隊到花蓮救災的一個觀察\n我個人相當肯定行政團隊一件事情就是這一次大家下去團隊不分彼此機關的政府首長我知道有人去了十幾天\n連續都沒有回家那我也謝謝各部會的就是說大家都沒有去分彼此也沒有去計較說這個是不是我自己機關本身的職長有狀況就立刻補進來就通報就馬上支援\n這個是我對於這次大家下去糾栽整個行政院內閣團隊的一個觀察在這邊也跟院長報告我要藉這個機會我要在這裡謝謝衛福部機關署的\n署長羅一鈞幫忙勞動部和勞動部責任署拍片提醒產值超人要注意安全要戴口罩手套等個人的防護用具那我也要謝謝環境部環管署署長顏旭明在災區他不斷的就是沿途他都不斷的一直提醒大家說不要站在怪手操作的半徑內非常危險這也是勞動部在職業安全衛生設施規則所訂定的\n那我也要謝謝環境部部長彭啟明具有職業安全衛生的專業知識提醒產值超人要戴護目鏡而且要注意下水道的通風換氣主動聯繫金管會還有保險局商討花蓮光復鄉志工意外保險那我還要感謝光復國中校長黃建榮雖然學校地下室淤泥很高但是他不隨便讓志工進去幫忙\n因為為了要避免這個發生有這個局限空間缺氧的問題這是勞動部在職業安全衛生所設職業衛生安全設施規則所訂定的是為了要保護工作者那我也要在這裡謝謝不知名的愛心人士在光復火車站為產值超人準備就在工作上所需的除了大家常見的口罩手套護目鏡以外還有\n大批的防穿刺的鞋墊跟雨鞋防穿刺的雨鞋那避免志工在工作時被剝離或者是釘子刺傷那我也要謝謝衛福部石崇良部長理解救災的志工是接受政府的號召有組織從屬性\n組織重屬性很重要我重複所以沒有像勞動部一樣計較過市的挖土機超人是不是在上班時間到災區直接核定20萬元的慰問金並且代替勞動部統籌設計保險的QR code我在這裡也要謝謝外籍的勞工朋友們聽從僱主的指揮調度\n到災區協助救災完工之後這些外籍的勞工朋友們甚至要求雇主說要用自己的假期留下來繼續幫忙這個都是相當感人的事情我們台灣真的要謝謝他們\n我最後還要謝謝農業部負責為災區所有執行救災的工作的個人志工這原先在保險是不知道大家怎麼處理有點麻煩的那我謝謝農業部為這些個人的志工投保志工保險那我再次肯定行政院不分你我那就是互相支援我在這裡要給大家拍拍手\n謝謝委員 不敢當您剛提到的凡是屬於行政團隊的成員都是我們應該做必須做的我特別要提到一位就是我們水利署的林淵鵬署長他可以說從9月23、24開始到現在沒有離開過現場我們還有的人可以去別的工作再換班因為他一定要把那個合體給他做好我也要非常謝謝光復商工的陳校長我進到學校看他在介紹說明整個學校受損狀況\n那種詳細跟他出自內心的那種焦慮我們完全感受所以當天有幾百位的志工幾百位國軍弟兄在幫忙時間很有限我們沒有辦法一一答謝但我只想說的救災的現場他就是像工地一樣\n我們包括部會首長自己下去該有什麼保護措施都不知道所以在這裡最專業的是勞動部如果可以的話他們下去支援我想會更專業我想就做這樣子的大家的一個加油鼓勵我接下來請交通部部長我想這次花蓮光復的災情有大批的超人志工湧入這個\n這個光復車站就是塞爆這個車站那20天累積了這個50萬人次創歷史新高那除了台鐵加開班次英之外呢這個景象代表兩件事就是第一個我們花東地區鐵路是非常重要的工具那第二點就是鐵路實施這個雙軌電氣化的重要性只因為就是\n應該說只有這個全線雙軌電氣化才能排除列車灰車的問題然後增加列車班次提高運量所以我想請教一下就是花東地區鐵路雙軌電氣化預計2027年完工現在完成的進度大概多少大概完成百分比多少然後2027年底有沒有辦法如期完工請簡短回答\n報告委員目前我們是完成了43.59%那我們目前正在修正計畫當中兩個部分一個部分是經費有提高提高到691億另外我們的工期其實有延長因為我們之前遇到疫情的問題還有就是東部確實是比較缺工所以如期完工接下來在民國120年會完成120年那個好\n所以120年2031年2031年\n2031年我現在問的是花東鐵路雙軌電氣化的部分還要到2031年這個又本來以為2027年底會完成現在又整個大延後2031好那這個期程就沒有辦法再提早了我們會盡量來趕工\n那整個規劃的經費有增加嗎有增加 增加到691億本來是合訂了456億那我們總共增加了235億好 謝謝那因為我了解就是說因為安全的考量喔列車是無法提高加速到這個160\n每小時160公里那這個花東地區鐵路提速的計畫你們有聽說要修正再送我們研議過了就是說提速的計畫目前有研議過因為安全的問題所以無法提速到160但是它的速度可以適度的提高例如說我們雙軌電氣化完成之後我們的運作的速率一定會提高還有部分如果假使我們的路廊可以更封閉的話我們的提速也會更快\n我想更重要的就是南回雙軌電器化的這件事情我也請在這裡要求我們交通部要一併來加速處理\n一併規劃因為花蓮它就靠花東鐵路把人潮運過來但是台東我們也靠南回也靠花東鐵路所以這個部分要拜託你們一定要儘早趕快把這個計畫把它提報然後合併通過\n好谢谢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:17.399 --> 00:20.960\n主席好麻煩請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢陳委員好院長好辛苦了今天本席要針對台灣土地改革遺留的歷史問題特別是工地放嶺的中斷以及剩餘工地的處理提出質詢\n\n00:45.547 --> 01:03.562\n在1949年國民政府來台隨後接收日產所有的土地後來1953年國民政府假借實施耕者有棲田的民意大肆地強行徵收大地主的土地以及地主自己沒有耕種的土地\n\n01:04.623 --> 01:32.158\n說好聽呢是要扶持自耕農但是呢到後來呢卻停止繼續辦理這個工地放零沒有把這個土地全數發放出去那這簡直就是用詐騙的手法來搶取豪奪人民的土地而且目前政府所持有的這些未發放的土地比較精確的來說這根本就是犯罪所得是不法所得而且是髒物\n\n01:33.865 --> 01:52.057\n我們回顧歷史在1945年戰後國民政府接收所有的日產包括廣大的農地還有供應設施原本應該透過工地放領落實跟擇有棲田的理想讓沒有土地的農民擁有自己的土地\n\n01:52.978 --> 02:21.435\n但是呢工地放嶺呢卻只有進行到1976年變突然停止那剩餘的數萬傾的這個數萬工傾的工地它沒有放嶺那轉為這個國有資產或者是都市開發用地那我想這個不僅是背離土地改革的初衷也讓這個世代農民的權益蒙城更讓我們政府的誠信蒙羞啊我想院長\n\n02:23.922 --> 02:38.881\n這種政策的斷層難道不是說對農民的一種背叛或者也算是對原地主的一種詐欺那麼民進黨政府我認為不應該再替前政府保管這些不法\n\n02:39.562 --> 03:00.455\n的這個土地那要嘛不罰所得的土地要嘛呢我們發給發還給這個原地主再不然就要盡速放零給資格符合的農民那作為執政黨呢本心認為我們有責任要檢討前朝遺留的這個政策問題要推動這個土地正義\n\n03:01.696 --> 03:27.034\n最近在宜蘭大南澳地區有試辦工地放零涉及了80公頃的台拓地讓長期耕作的農民以低價來購買土地不曉得說這項試辦的成效如何接下來是否會擴大辦理謝謝委員關心歷史上遺留下來的問題\n\n03:28.274 --> 03:50.913\n我跟委員報告現在政府存在一方面是向未來要加速前進另外一方面也是為歷史解決多年遺留下來的問題那您說的這個問題就是這樣子所以我一直說我們要為老問題找新方法為新問題找好方法我們為這個老問題我們去嘗試的從剛剛您所談到的大南澳的這個\n\n03:52.199 --> 03:54.480\n台東的案件是非常多的面積也很多名列前茅\n\n04:17.273 --> 04:40.857\n在處理這個大南澳台的問題的時候我們也請內政部就從全國的相關問題做一個總結做一個盤點如果請部長來做說明謝謝陳委員對於工地放領的關心其實我們院長在5月6號的時候已經有條件放領國有平地耕地優先辦理就是您剛所說的宜蘭的大南澳尤其是台拓地為主\n\n04:41.557 --> 05:02.270\n但是我們也去盤點出來未來會朝著三個方向就是如果符合國土保安保育跟公共安全的話內政部跟財政部的國產署會針對山坡地還有平地耕地還有養殖用地這三個方向來做包括放領條件現在我們正在盤點所有的法令依據以及從\n\n05:03.411 --> 05:29.960\n以前到現在的為止的所有的租約的比數跟相關的面積那您所提到的台東的部分當然相當多包括農牧用地也好或平地耕地的都在內那現在我們跟國產署一筆一筆再重新做一下這方面的盤點那盤點出來以後如果有這個法令依據的話我們按照法令依據上面的這個程序呢按照行政院的指示來辦理好謝謝兩位我想那個\n\n05:32.093 --> 05:47.123\n海東的農民聽到真的會他們會微笑我們會非常的努力這也是總統多次的指示該是屬於人民的財產那經過這麼多年沒有辦法處理政府應該有一套完整的機制跟政策\n\n05:47.583 --> 06:16.576\n以及推送的這個目標日時程在這段時間我們我跟莊瑞雄委員我們也就是到下鄉我們開了很多的這個說明會研討會那聽取很多農民的意見那很多來的農民他們真的年紀都很大對這件事情也等了很久那過去我對於這個原住民的原保地我們辦公室也花了相當多的心力幫很多的原住民朋友拿回土地來但是我想我們\n\n06:17.356 --> 06:31.846\n其他族群的朋友也是一樣所以這個部分希望大家可以我們整個執政團隊大家一起加油趕快把這些還沒發放完的土地讓大家放領這樣子\n\n06:32.947 --> 06:51.943\n是我們按照法令依據來做這個放檸的一個程序好謝謝那個內政部長請回那個院長您在這一次的這個我們花家沙的風災我知道你到花蓮光復至少去了三趟是\n\n06:53.783 --> 07:15.268\n總統也去了兩次我想在座的部會首長、正副首長也去了很多趟副總統也去了三趟有我自己辦公室的團隊還有地方團隊我們也下去支援而且從第一天都是女生進駐在當地一直到現在還在\n\n07:18.869 --> 07:32.826\n我想我自己本身也去了很多趟我想跟院長分享一下這次我對於執政團隊到花蓮救災的一個觀察\n\n07:34.643 --> 07:48.315\n我個人相當肯定行政團隊一件事情就是這一次大家下去團隊不分彼此機關的政府首長我知道有人去了十幾天\n\n07:49.036 --> 08:08.295\n連續都沒有回家那我也謝謝各部會的就是說大家都沒有去分彼此也沒有去計較說這個是不是我自己機關本身的職長有狀況就立刻補進來就通報就馬上支援\n\n08:08.935 --> 08:19.582\n這個是我對於這次大家下去糾栽整個行政院內閣團隊的一個觀察在這邊也跟院長報告我要藉這個機會我要在這裡謝謝衛福部機關署的\n\n08:25.405 --> 08:49.244\n署長羅一鈞幫忙勞動部和勞動部責任署拍片提醒產值超人要注意安全要戴口罩手套等個人的防護用具那我也要謝謝環境部環管署署長顏旭明在災區他不斷的就是沿途他都不斷的一直提醒大家說不要站在怪手操作的半徑內非常危險這也是勞動部在職業安全衛生設施規則所訂定的\n\n08:50.885 --> 09:17.451\n那我也要謝謝環境部部長彭啟明具有職業安全衛生的專業知識提醒產值超人要戴護目鏡而且要注意下水道的通風換氣主動聯繫金管會還有保險局商討花蓮光復鄉志工意外保險那我還要感謝光復國中校長黃建榮雖然學校地下室淤泥很高但是他不隨便讓志工進去幫忙\n\n09:18.191 --> 09:44.350\n因為為了要避免這個發生有這個局限空間缺氧的問題這是勞動部在職業安全衛生所設職業衛生安全設施規則所訂定的是為了要保護工作者那我也要在這裡謝謝不知名的愛心人士在光復火車站為產值超人準備就在工作上所需的除了大家常見的口罩手套護目鏡以外還有\n\n09:44.730 --> 10:02.884\n大批的防穿刺的鞋墊跟雨鞋防穿刺的雨鞋那避免志工在工作時被剝離或者是釘子刺傷那我也要謝謝衛福部石崇良部長理解救災的志工是接受政府的號召有組織從屬性\n\n10:05.566 --> 10:28.558\n組織重屬性很重要我重複所以沒有像勞動部一樣計較過市的挖土機超人是不是在上班時間到災區直接核定20萬元的慰問金並且代替勞動部統籌設計保險的QRcode我在這裡也要謝謝外籍的勞工朋友們聽從僱主的指揮調度\n\n10:29.378 --> 10:43.383\n到災區協助救災完工之後這些外籍的勞工朋友們甚至要求雇主說要用自己的假期留下來繼續幫忙這個都是相當感人的事情我們台灣真的要謝謝他們\n\n10:44.784 --> 11:11.736\n我最後還要謝謝農業部負責為災區所有執行救災的工作的個人志工這原先在保險是不知道大家怎麼處理有點麻煩的那我謝謝農業部為這些個人的志工投保志工保險那我再次肯定行政院不分你我那就是互相支援我在這裡要給大家拍拍手\n\n11:12.806 --> 11:39.827\n謝謝委員不敢當您剛提到的凡是屬於行政團隊的成員都是我們應該做必須做的我特別要提到一位就是我們水利署的林淵鵬署長他可以說從9月23、24開始到現在沒有離開過現場我們還有的人可以去別的工作再換班因為他一定要把那個合體給他做好我也要非常謝謝光復商工的陳校長我進到學校看他在介紹說明整個學校受損狀況\n\n11:41.701 --> 11:58.030\n那種詳細跟他出自內心的那種焦慮我們完全感受所以當天有幾百位的志工幾百位國軍弟兄在幫忙時間很有限我們沒有辦法一一答謝但我只想說的救災的現場他就是像工地一樣\n\n11:59.588 --> 12:26.395\n我們包括部會首長自己下去該有什麼保護措施都不知道所以在這裡最專業的是勞動部如果可以的話他們下去支援我想會更專業我想就做這樣子的大家的一個加油鼓勵我接下來請交通部部長我想這次花蓮光復的災情有大批的超人志工湧入這個\n\n12:27.935 --> 12:48.964\n這個光復車站就是塞爆這個車站那20天累積了這個50萬人次創歷史新高那除了台鐵加開班次英之外呢這個景象代表兩件事就是第一個我們花東地區鐵路是非常重要的工具那第二點就是鐵路實施這個雙軌電氣化的重要性只因為就是\n\n12:51.546 --> 13:15.246\n應該說只有這個全線雙軌電氣化才能排除列車灰車的問題然後增加列車班次提高運量所以我想請教一下就是花東地區鐵路雙軌電氣化預計2027年完工現在完成的進度大概多少大概完成百分比多少然後2027年底有沒有辦法如期完工請簡短回答\n\n13:15.906 --> 13:35.064\n報告委員目前我們是完成了43.59%那我們目前正在修正計畫當中兩個部分一個部分是經費有提高提高到691億另外我們的工期其實有延長因為我們之前遇到疫情的問題還有就是東部確實是比較缺工所以如期完工接下來在民國120年會完成120年那個好\n\n13:42.136 --> 13:43.718\n所以120年2031年2031年\n\n13:50.526 --> 14:14.198\n2031年我現在問的是花東鐵路雙軌電氣化的部分還要到2031年這個又本來以為2027年底會完成現在又整個大延後2031好那這個期程就沒有辦法再提早了我們會盡量來趕工\n\n14:14.949 --> 14:30.306\n那整個規劃的經費有增加嗎有增加增加到691億本來是合訂了456億那我們總共增加了235億好謝謝那因為我了解就是說因為安全的考量喔列車是無法提高加速到這個160\n\n14:33.316 --> 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不敢當您剛提到的凡是屬於行政團隊的成員都是我們應該做必須做的我特別要提到一位就是我們水利署的林淵鵬署長他可以說從9月23、24開始到現在沒有離開過現場我們還有的人可以去別的工作再換班因為他一定要把那個合體給他做好我也要非常謝謝光復商工的陳校長我進到學校看他在介紹說明整個學校受損狀況"},{"start":701.701,"end":718.03,"text":"那種詳細跟他出自內心的那種焦慮我們完全感受所以當天有幾百位的志工幾百位國軍弟兄在幫忙時間很有限我們沒有辦法一一答謝但我只想說的救災的現場他就是像工地一樣"},{"start":719.588,"end":746.395,"text":"我們包括部會首長自己下去該有什麼保護措施都不知道所以在這裡最專業的是勞動部如果可以的話他們下去支援我想會更專業我想就做這樣子的大家的一個加油鼓勵我接下來請交通部部長我想這次花蓮光復的災情有大批的超人志工湧入這個"},{"start":747.935,"end":768.964,"text":"這個光復車站就是塞爆這個車站那20天累積了這個50萬人次創歷史新高那除了台鐵加開班次英之外呢這個景象代表兩件事就是第一個我們花東地區鐵路是非常重要的工具那第二點就是鐵路實施這個雙軌電氣化的重要性只因為就是"},{"start":771.546,"end":795.246,"text":"應該說只有這個全線雙軌電氣化才能排除列車灰車的問題然後增加列車班次提高運量所以我想請教一下就是花東地區鐵路雙軌電氣化預計2027年完工現在完成的進度大概多少大概完成百分比多少然後2027年底有沒有辦法如期完工請簡短回答"},{"start":795.906,"end":815.064,"text":"報告委員目前我們是完成了43.59%那我們目前正在修正計畫當中兩個部分一個部分是經費有提高提高到691億另外我們的工期其實有延長因為我們之前遇到疫情的問題還有就是東部確實是比較缺工所以如期完工接下來在民國120年會完成120年那個好"},{"start":822.136,"end":823.718,"text":"所以120年2031年2031年"},{"start":830.526,"end":854.198,"text":"2031年我現在問的是花東鐵路雙軌電氣化的部分還要到2031年這個又本來以為2027年底會完成現在又整個大延後2031好那這個期程就沒有辦法再提早了我們會盡量來趕工"},{"start":854.949,"end":870.306,"text":"那整個規劃的經費有增加嗎有增加 增加到691億本來是合訂了456億那我們總共增加了235億好 謝謝那因為我了解就是說因為安全的考量喔列車是無法提高加速到這個160"},{"start":873.316,"end":901.507,"text":"每小時160公里那這個花東地區鐵路提速的計畫你們有聽說要修正再送我們研議過了就是說提速的計畫目前有研議過因為安全的問題所以無法提速到160但是它的速度可以適度的提高例如說我們雙軌電氣化完成之後我們的運作的速率一定會提高還有部分如果假使我們的路廊可以更封閉的話我們的提速也會更快"},{"start":901.667,"end":914.934,"text":"我想更重要的就是南回雙軌電器化的這件事情我也請在這裡要求我們交通部要一併來加速處理"},{"start":916.995,"end":934.25,"text":"一併規劃因為花蓮它就靠花東鐵路把人潮運過來但是台東我們也靠南回也靠花東鐵路所以這個部分要拜託你們一定要儘早趕快把這個計畫把它提報然後合併通過"},{"start":953.295,"end":953.715,"text":"好谢谢"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":1288,"blocks":[["陳委員瑩：（15時17分）主席好，麻煩請卓院長。"],["主席：麻煩再請卓院長備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：陳委員好。"],["陳委員瑩：院長好，辛苦了！"],["卓院長榮泰：不會。"],["陳委員瑩：今天本席要針對臺灣土地改革遺留的歷史問題，特別是公地放領的中斷以及剩餘公地的處理提出質詢。在1949年國民政府來臺，隨後接收日產所有的土地，後來1953年國民政府假借實施耕者有其田的名義，大肆強行徵收大地主的土地，以及地主自己沒有耕種的土地，說好聽是要扶持自耕農，但是到後來卻停止繼續辦理公地放領，沒有把土地全數發放出去，這簡直就是用詐騙的手法來強取豪奪人民的土地，而且目前政府所持有的這些未發放土地，比較精確的來說，根本就是犯罪所得、是不法所得，而且是贓物。","我們回顧歷史，在1945年戰後，國民政府接收所有的日產，包括廣大的農地，還有公營設施，原本應該透過公地放領，落實耕者有其田的理想，讓沒有土地的農民擁有自己的土地，但公地放領卻只有進行到1976年便突然停止，剩餘數萬公頃的公地沒有放領，轉為國有資產或者是都市開發用地，這不僅是背離土地改革的初衷，也讓世代農民的權益蒙塵，更讓我們政府的誠信蒙羞。院長，這種政策斷層，難道不是對農民的一種背叛，或者也算是對原地主的一種詐欺？我認為民進黨政府不應該再替前政府保管這些不法所得的土地，要嘛我們發還給原地主，再不然就要儘速放領給資格符合的農民，作為執政黨，本席認為我們有責任要檢討前朝遺留的政策問題，要推動土地正義。最近在宜蘭大南澳地區有試辦公地放領，涉及80公頃的台拓地，讓長期耕作的農民以低價來購買土地，不曉得這項試辦的成效如何，接下來是否會擴大辦理？"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員關心這個歷史上遺留下來的問題，我跟委員報告，現在政府存在，一方面是向未來要加速前進，另外一方面也是為歷史解決多年遺留下來的問題。那您說公地放領的問題就是這樣子，所以我一直說我們要為老問題找新方法，為新問題找好方法，我們為這個老問題，我們現在嘗試從剛剛您所談到的大南澳放領的過程當中，因為它有歷史上的脈絡，它曾經同意過，後來停止了，我們現在把程序回復，讓它先完成這部分，用這個例子、用這個經驗，我們想更廣泛地適用到其他有相類似或是相同歷史因素的案件裡面來。"],["陳委員瑩：我們臺東的案件是非常多的，面積也很多，名列前茅。"],["卓院長榮泰：在處理大南澳台拓地問題的時候，我們也請內政部就全國的相關問題做一個總結、做一個盤點，容我請部長來做說明。"],["陳委員瑩：好。"],["劉部長世芳：謝謝陳委員對於公地放領的關心。其實我們院長在5月6號的時候已經有條件放領國有平地耕地，優先辦理就是您剛所說的宜蘭大南澳，尤其是台拓地為主，但是我們也盤點出來，未來會朝著三個方向，就是如果符合國土保安、保育及公共安全的話，內政部與財政部國產署會針對山坡地、平地耕地，還有養殖用地這三個方向來做包括放領條件，現在我們正在盤點所有的法令依據，以及從以前到現在為止所有租約筆數及相關面積，您所提到臺東的部分當然相當多，包括農牧用地也好，或平地耕地都在內，現在我們與國產署一筆、一筆再重新做一下這方面的盤點，盤點出來以後，如果有法令依據的話，我們按照法令，依據上面的程序並按照行政院的指示來辦理。"],["陳委員瑩：好，謝謝兩位，我想臺東的農民聽到真的會微笑。"],["劉部長世芳：我們會非常的努力。"],["卓院長榮泰：這也是總統多次的指示，該是屬於人民的財產，經過這麼多年沒有辦法處理，政府應該有一套完整的機制及政策，以及推送的目標、時程來完成。"],["陳委員瑩：在這段時間，我跟莊瑞雄委員下鄉，我們開了很多說明會、研討會，聽取很多農民的意見，很多來的農民他們真的年紀都很大，對這件事情也等了很久，過去對於原住民原保地，我們辦公室也花了相當多的心力幫很多原住民朋友拿回土地來，但是我想其他族群的朋友也是一樣，所以這個部分希望我們整個執政團隊大家一起加加油，趕快把這些還沒發放完的土地讓大家放領。"],["劉部長世芳：是，我們按照法令依據來做放領的程序。"],["陳委員瑩：好，謝謝，內政部長請回。院長，這一次樺加沙風災我知道你到花蓮光復至少去了3趟嘛！"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["陳委員瑩：總統也去了2次，我想在座部會的正、副首長也去了很多趟，甚至像我們自己……"],["卓院長榮泰：副總統也去了3趟。"],["陳委員瑩：對，我自己辦公室的團隊還有地方團隊，我們也下去支援，而且從第一天都是女生進駐在當地，一直到現在還在，我自己本身也去了很多趟，我想跟院長分享一下這一次我對於執政團隊到花蓮救災的一個觀察，我個人相當肯定行政團隊一件事情，就是這一次大家下去，團隊不分彼此，機關的正、副首長我知道有人去了連續十幾天都沒有回家，我也謝謝各部會，大家都沒有分彼此，也沒有去計較說這是不是我自己機關本身的職掌，有狀況就立刻補進來、就通報、就馬上支援，這是我對於這次整個行政院內閣團隊大家下去救災的觀察，在這邊也跟院長報告。","藉這個機會，我要在這裡謝謝衛福部疾管署署長羅一鈞幫忙勞動部職安署拍片，提醒鏟子超人要注意安全，要戴口罩、手套等個人的防護用具；我也要謝謝環境部環管署署長顏旭明，在災區，沿途他都不斷地一直提醒大家說不要站在怪手操作的半徑內、非常危險，這也是勞動部在職業安全衛生設施規則所訂定的；我也要謝謝環境部部長彭啓明具有職業安全衛生的專業知識，提醒鏟子超人要戴護目鏡，而且要注意下水道的通風換氣，主動聯繫金管會還有保險局商討花蓮光復鄉志工意外保險；我還要感謝光復國中校長黃建榮，雖然學校地下室淤泥很高，但是他不隨便讓志工進去幫忙，為了要避免發生局限空間缺氧的問題，這是勞動部在職業安全衛生設施規則所訂定的，是為了要保護工作者；我也要在這裡謝謝不知名的愛心人士，在光復火車站為鏟子超人準備救災工作上所需的，除了大家常見的口罩、手套、護目鏡以外，還有大批防穿刺的鞋墊跟防穿刺的雨鞋，避免志工在工作時被玻璃或是釘子刺傷；我也要謝謝衛福部石崇良部長理解救災的志工是接受政府的號召，有組織從屬性，組織從屬性，很重要，我重複，所以沒有像勞動部一樣計較過世的挖土機超人是不是在上班時間到災區，直接核定20萬元的慰問金，並且代替勞動部統籌設計保險的QR Code；我在這裡也要謝謝外籍的勞工朋友們聽從雇主的指揮調度，到災區協助救災，完工之後，這些外籍的勞工朋友們甚至要求雇主說要用自己的假期留下來繼續幫忙，這都是相當感人的事情，我們臺灣真的要謝謝他們；我最後還要謝謝農業部負責為災區所有執行救災工作的個人志工，這是原先在保險的部分大家不知道要怎麼處理、有點麻煩的，我謝謝農業部為這些個人的志工投保志工保險；我再次肯定行政院不分你我，互相支援，我在這裡要給大家拍拍手。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員，不敢當，您剛剛提到的，凡是屬於行政團隊的成員，都是我們應該做、必須做的，我特別要提到一位就是我們水利署的林元鵬署長，他可以說是從9月23日、24日開始到現在，沒有離開過現場，我們有的人還可以去別的工作、再換班，因為他一定要把河堤做好；我也要非常謝謝光復商工的陳校長，我進到學校看他在介紹及說明整個學校受損狀況，那種詳細跟他出自內心的那種焦慮，我們完全能夠感受到，所以當天有幾百位志工、幾百位國軍弟兄在幫忙。"],["陳委員瑩：我想因為今天時間很有限，我們沒有辦法一一答謝，但我只想說，救災的現場就是像工地一樣，包括部會首長自己下去，該有什麼保護措施都不知道，在這裡最專業的是勞動部，如果可以的話，他們下去支援，我想會更專業，我想就做這樣子對大家的一個加油鼓勵。","我接下來請交通部部長，這次花蓮光復的災情，有大批的超人志工湧入光復車站，就是塞爆這個車站，20天累積了50萬人次，創歷史新高，除了臺鐵加開班次因應之外，這個景象代表兩件事，第一個，我們花東地區鐵路是非常重要的工具；第二點就是鐵路實施雙軌電氣化的重要性，只有全線雙軌電氣化才能排除列車會車的問題，然後增加列車班次、提高運量。所以我想請教一下，花東地區鐵路雙軌電氣化預計2027年完工，現在完成的進度大概多少、大概完成多少百分比、2027年底有沒有辦法如期完工？請簡短回答。"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，目前我們完成了43.59%，我們目前正在修正計畫當中，有兩個部分，一個部分是經費有提高，提高到691億；另外，我們的工期其實有延長，因為我們之前遇到疫情的問題，還有東部確實比較缺工。"],["陳委員瑩：所以接下來能如期完工嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：在民國120年會完成。"],["陳委員瑩：所以120年……等一下，是西元？"],["陳部長世凱：2031年。"],["陳委員瑩：我現在問的是花東鐵路雙軌電氣化的部分。"],["陳部長世凱：對。"],["陳委員瑩：還要到2031年？"],["陳部長世凱：對，應該是2031年。"],["陳委員瑩：哇，本來以為2027年底會完成，現在又整個大延後到2031！"],["陳部長世凱：是，會延後一些。"],["陳委員瑩：這個期程就沒有辦法再提早了？"],["陳部長世凱：我們會儘量來趕工。"],["陳委員瑩：整個規劃的經費有增加嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：有增加，增加到691億，本來是核定了456億，我們總共增加了235億。"],["陳委員瑩：好，謝謝。","我了解因為安全的考量，列車無法提高、加速到每小時160公里。"],["陳部長世凱：是，沒有錯。"],["陳委員瑩：關於花東地區鐵路提速計畫有聽說你們要修正再送。"],["陳部長世凱：我們研議過了，提速的計畫目前有研議過，因為安全的問題所以無法提速到160，但是它的速度可以適度的提高。例如說雙軌電氣化完成之後，我們的運作速率一定會提高，還有假使部分路廊可以更封閉的話，我們的提速也會更好。"],["陳委員瑩：我想更重要的就是南迴雙軌電氣化的這件事情，我也在這裡要求交通部要一併加速處理、一併規劃。"],["陳部長世凱：這個部分我們來加速。"],["陳委員瑩：因為花蓮就靠花東鐵路把人潮運過來，但是我們臺東也靠南迴、也靠花東鐵路……"],["陳部長世凱：對，往北、往南都重要。"],["陳委員瑩：所以這個部分要拜託你們一定要儘早提報計畫，然後核定通過。"],["陳部長世凱：沒問題。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員不僅關心臺東、也關心花蓮，我想鄉親都很感謝你，謝謝。"],["陳委員瑩：有沒有南迴鐵路部分的期程？"],["陳部長世凱：我們目前正在審議加速計畫。"],["陳委員瑩：今年有機會通過嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：我們希望明年能夠確定這件事。"],["陳委員瑩：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝陳瑩委員質詢，謝謝卓院長、相關部會首長備詢，謝謝。","接下來柯志恩委員質詢之後，我們會休息10分鐘，休息完畢之後，請蔡易餘委員，請準備。","現在請柯志恩委員，請質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":23,"meet_id":"院會-11-4-4","speakers":["韓國瑜","江啟臣"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2025-10-14"],"gazette_id":"1147901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1147901_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第4會期第4次會議紀錄","content":"報告事項","agenda_id":"1147901_00001"}}}