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00:02:06,676\n青年朋友遇到這個性騷擾的案件那我看一下你們處理的過程基本上我們算是有及時處理不過還是要提出個案跟署長討論因為我想這個計畫我們要繼續而且呢很多的這個年輕朋友甚至裡面有些是未成年15到17歲所以我想我們要很重視這個制度跟SOP\n\n6\n00:02:07,997 --> 00:02:29,108\n這個案件發生在他是這位計畫參與人他是到加拿大的珍乃街那他在社群媒體上面說這個在地的這個計畫負責人多次的性騷擾而且後來的這個很多人分享可能是多次對多人的行為有包括呢這個去抓捏\n\n7\n00:02:30,632 --> 00:02:49,250\n肩膀甚至藉故看手機去握人家的手然後甚至有不當邀約邀請學員說半夜要不要出來唱歌甚至有言語很不當言語說這個女生裙子應該穿短一點等等這性騷的事件發生那我們清發署後來是如何處理呢\n\n8\n00:02:51,315 --> 00:03:18,494\n那这个部分我们跟委员也说明一下就是说我们在事件发生之后我们住处就立即隔绝双方的接触而且调整我们蹲点的单位那我们在尊重学生的意愿之下青年发展署也全力去支持青年寻求那个法律的救济所以我们也提供了法律的咨询而且进而去补助这个相关的经费那我们在针对\n\n9\n00:03:19,992 --> 00:03:35,150\n好那我們也持續關懷我們青年的身心跟他的一個生活需求加拿大這個機構明年還會跟他合作嗎不會我們終止合作了那之前給他這個培訓的費用我們有沒有追討回來\n\n10\n00:03:36,171 --> 00:03:53,176\n對我們這個培訓的費用就是已經就是分期然後最慢就是最後一期在十月底前錢都要追回來嘛對不對這個責任一定要追究這個案子為什麼我覺得很重要第一個啦我覺得四個理由第一個這個我們政府有保障安全的責任\n\n11\n00:03:54,036 --> 00:04:08,739\n第二個事件發生都在海外所以有可能他是以孤立無援的困境那當地的住處有些有我們教育部部派人員有些沒有啊那在沒有我們部派人員的住處你們這個通報的SOP如何建立\n\n12\n00:04:09,660 --> 00:04:31,699\n再來很多我剛剛講到他是未成年未成年的參與他風險更高那有些的傷害可能是不可逆的所以我們事先的這個預防整個SOP必須要訂定的很詳細最後就是剛好提到說法律救濟嘛但是其實海外的法律程序他可能更加的困難那這個案件裡面我們有沒有權額來支持提供這個法律訴訟的費用\n\n13\n00:04:32,540 --> 00:04:47,733\n好的那這個部分我們也全額來支持青年就是提供那個必要的法律協助所以費用都是由我們青年署這邊來我們來處理好那我看到你們有訂定了一個海外性別事件通報處理機制但是針對我們參與我們這個青年海外圓夢計畫的參與的這些學員\n\n14\n00:04:53,237 --> 00:05:10,898\n他在海外遇到緊急事件如何通報那我們住處跟我們清發署這個中間的溝通讓他更能夠及時的同步這我希望你們有一個更相正的SOP好不好好之後再跟署長來討論署長請回接下來我要請國交署署長\n\n15\n00:05:12,689 --> 00:05:29,244\n請國教署彭署長署長好今天很關切你知道我關切的嗎就是說因為運動部9月成立了所以有關於學校體育未來教育部國教署跟運動部如何來分工大家都很關切那我看我們過去其實教育部也做了很多準備\n\n16\n00:05:30,846 --> 00:05:48,366\n這個張亮次長其實針對這個分工開了七次的會議很多其實原則已經訂定出來就基本上就是說一般性的教育部負責特殊的例如競技專業運動部來負責但大家關切的還是很多在實務上到底就是怎麼樣來定義然後最擔心的當然就是\n\n17\n00:05:49,723 --> 00:06:08,920\n千萬不要發生互相踢皮球的狀況首先我想請教像我們在學校裡面的校隊或體育班它有一些是專任教練這個教育不管但有一些過去是計劃性的外聘教練這個未來是歸哪一個部會管呢\n\n18\n00:06:10,700 --> 00:06:31,808\n各位很簡單補充兩點教練的資格是運動部教練的禁用或是他有學務事件那是教育部所以資格是運動部禁用是教育部那你講的原額就是指正式編制的其實很多實務上都是外聘的那過去是用體育署的計劃經費\n\n19\n00:06:33,348 --> 00:07:00,092\n教练其实有四种从专任运动教练就分两种一直到外聘的等等大概有四种加起来教练有将近一千位抱歉专任一千位整个教练有一万九千多位大概有一万那其中除了专任运动教练因为他有一些国际或者全国性赛事等等的认定那个标准是运动部\n\n20\n00:07:00,812 --> 00:07:18,232\n基本上人歸教育部管我們有些專任教練他同時也是體育老師他也是正式教師這個未來都是由教育部那這個算明確像我們學校裡面的精神訓練站精神訓練站歸教育部還是運動部\n\n21\n00:07:20,595 --> 00:07:39,762\n是运动部归运动部那基层训练站所使用的场地有一些其实是共用的就是比如说篮球课一般的篮球课程跟篮球队使用的场地是共用的那未来是教育部管还是运动部管原则上会是只要是共用的因为他教学属性大会是教育部\n\n22\n00:07:40,362 --> 00:08:08,214\n教育部管所以只要是一般課程完全專項的那是運動部這個是在教育部跟運動部之間再來第二個問題是因為現在地方政府很多單位也在詢問我們有些縣市政府他的不一定有他有教育局不一定有體育局或是說他是教育局運動處甚至有些甚至只是一個科但是我們現在教育部跟運動部分工明確了但是在對到地方政府\n\n23\n00:08:09,232 --> 00:08:33,735\n的這個補助事項你們是會不會有教育部要對運動處運動部要對教育局這樣子的業務呢地方政府的業務之間有沒有需要移撥那你們有沒有進行這個溝通了我看你們是有跟地方教育局的會議啦但是我並沒有看到地方體育局的會議這也許是未來運動部要開的這部分我就是給這個國教署提醒\n\n24\n00:08:34,295 --> 00:08:48,431\n跟委員報告兩點第一點在七月份局處長會議的時候都已經說明過運動部也有來說明在九月份的時候運動也發了一個文做明確區隔就我們來了解第三點地方政府在執行上是沒有問題的以上幾點跟您回報謝謝\n\n25\n00:08:49,873 --> 00:09:05,225\n原则明确很好但实务上它带来很多问题所以我今天就是希望教育部国教署未来拜托跟运动部持续保持沟通我们定期都会有会商的会议谢谢好感谢署长请回接下来我要邀请我们教育部部长请教育部这部长\n\n26\n00:09:11,998 --> 00:09:31,265\n政務長好這個之前有跟您關切過就是我們大學的文資的修繕維護因為這我非常重視那我也很開心在你們今年送進來的預算當中有一筆新增預算就是15億的來補助國立大學的老舊校舍修繕這個裡面有沒有包括文資維護\n\n27\n00:09:32,125 --> 00:09:55,368\n我想这里边确实委员看到了问题我们看到有一些学校有一个非常好的历史但是学校的建筑它却是比较长年的失去了一个维护维修特别在文字这个部分过去它确实比较多我们办法是来自于文化部但是我们认为在学校的建筑学校的设备\n\n28\n00:09:56,189 --> 00:10:17,265\n學校建築是一個不會說話的老師特別有歷史記憶的許多的這些古蹟我們怎麼樣能夠把它優先保存我想這也是我們教育部覺得我們責無旁貸沒錯學校的這些文資建築部長您說不會說話的老師我很認同那我的母校台大有特別多這種老師\n\n29\n00:10:18,166 --> 00:10:37,345\n不會說話的老師就文資那過去監察院也有調查也有要求台大檢討過就是說台大的文資很多很多剛好都坐在我的選區中正區以這個在我們附近徐州路8號過去台大法學院社科院的這個校舍為例我們教育部對老舊校舍定義40年嘛這個社科院徐州路8號這裡面\n\n30\n00:10:39,767 --> 00:10:57,438\n這個行政大樓100年另外兩棟教室更悠久是超過100年那其中圖書館呢是我們台灣知名建築師王大宏建築師也是你們教育部的建築師嘛他的這個作品那現在呢這個台大社科院法學院就指現在還有一棟樓\n\n31\n00:10:58,459 --> 00:11:15,652\n到現在我看台大還沒有編列這個預算來做修護所以我現在要請問的是我們這個新編列15億的這個修繕預算這個像譬如說台大這種情況他可不可以來申請他當然是可以來的也跟我們報告\n\n32\n00:11:16,857 --> 00:11:37,002\n就在徐州路那麼方便我其實每一次走過去我都覺得非常感覺很高興因為那麼漂亮的台大應該想辦法優先把它整理整修好而不是一直在蓋新的大樓其實我一直覺得我們看歐美幾百年八百年九百年的這樣一個學校的一個歷史建橋\n\n33\n00:11:37,682 --> 00:11:55,644\n牛津我希望我們其實應該要有這樣的一個這樣的一個對歷史建物上的那一個能夠傳遞許多更具有教育人文的這樣意涵的這樣一個教育的一個信息價值出來好認同那這邊因為未來是要活化做國際政治學院\n\n34\n00:11:56,084 --> 00:12:17,583\n其實也是我們高教國際化的重點所以我在此也要以校的身份呼籲台灣大學這個計畫如果今年因為預算還要審查我非常支持這一筆預算那我希望立法院可以順利通過那我們也呼籲台大要趕快來申請競爭型預算還是要公平順利但是有報有機會不要說連報都沒報那就不能再喊窮了好謝謝部長謝謝主席謝謝吳佩奕委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7418\t14243\t好謝謝主席首先我邀請清發署署長清發署署長署長好剛剛看了這個教育部今天的業務報告那我主要是針對裡面我們去年度來新的計畫還有我們明年因為預算送進來明年的一些新的計畫今天跟教育部討論所以我等會議序會再邀請國教署署長那最後再邀請教育部部長來進行討論\n37581\t42543\t首先是這個青年海外圓夢基金這是賴清德總統他過去青年政策白皮書裡面非常重要的一個重點政策那我看了一下你們去年執行的成效我覺得其實相當亮眼然後我自己也收到很多年輕朋友的回饋因為這個報名其實相當搶手啊就是你們送出去剛剛部長說將近1500位嘛那其實來徵選的是8倍這個8000多位的青年朋友來申請報名\n65174\t84504\t那很多人回來因為口耳相傳口碑好嘛大家分享自己的經驗有些陸續還要再出去的很多人都已經在問說明年要怎麼樣來申請所以呢我想這個計畫很好那內容呢其實也很亮眼喔像我自己特別關注的霹靂舞你們有一個計畫是到紐約然後到我們這個霹靂舞教父\n84864\t88286\t他成立了一個機構 學習嘻哈文化然後呢也有這個培訓的課程然後K-pop也跟韓國的那個胡源大學來合作去參訪他們的整個演藝產業啊 經濟啊那同時也給他進行這個歌唱舞蹈的培訓所以我覺得相當的多元那因為今年有發生一個案件就是有我們在加拿大的這個\n106514\t126676\t青年朋友遇到這個性騷擾的案件那我看一下你們處理的過程基本上我們算是有及時處理不過還是要提出個案跟署長討論因為我想這個計畫我們要繼續而且呢很多的這個年輕朋友甚至裡面有些是未成年15到17歲所以我想我們要很重視這個制度跟SOP\n127997\t149108\t這個案件發生在 他是這位計畫參與人他是到加拿大的珍乃街那他在社群媒體上面說這個在地的這個計畫負責人多次的性騷擾而且後來的這個很多人分享可能是多次對多人的行為有包括呢這個去抓捏\n150632\t169250\t肩膀甚至藉故看手機去握人家的手然後甚至有不當邀約邀請學員說半夜要不要出來唱歌甚至有言語很不當言語說這個女生裙子應該穿短一點等等這性騷的事件發生那我們清發署後來是如何處理呢\n171315\t198494\t那这个部分我们跟委员也说明一下就是说我们在事件发生之后我们住处就立即隔绝双方的接触而且调整我们蹲点的单位那我们在尊重学生的意愿之下青年发展署也全力去支持青年寻求那个法律的救济所以我们也提供了法律的咨询而且进而去补助这个相关的经费那我们在针对\n199992\t215150\t好那我們也持續關懷我們青年的身心跟他的一個生活需求加拿大這個機構明年還會跟他合作嗎不會我們終止合作了那之前給他這個培訓的費用我們有沒有追討回來\n216171\t233176\t對 我們這個培訓的費用就是已經就是分期然後最慢就是最後一期在十月底前錢都要追回來嘛 對不對這個責任一定要追究這個案子為什麼我覺得很重要第一個啦 我覺得四個理由第一個 這個我們政府有保障安全的責任\n234036\t248739\t第二個事件發生都在海外所以有可能他是以孤立無援的困境那當地的住處有些有我們教育部部派人員有些沒有啊那在沒有我們部派人員的住處你們這個通報的SOP如何建立\n249660\t271699\t再來很多我剛剛講到他是未成年未成年的參與他風險更高那有些的傷害可能是不可逆的所以我們事先的這個預防整個SOP必須要訂定的很詳細最後就是剛好提到說法律救濟嘛但是其實海外的法律程序他可能更加的困難那這個案件裡面我們有沒有權額來支持提供這個法律訴訟的費用\n272540\t287733\t好的那這個部分我們也全額來支持青年就是提供那個必要的法律協助所以費用都是由我們青年署這邊來我們來處理好那我看到你們有訂定了一個海外性別事件通報處理機制但是針對我們參與我們這個青年海外圓夢計畫的參與的這些學員\n293237\t310898\t他在海外遇到緊急事件如何通報那我們住處跟我們清發署這個中間的溝通讓他更能夠及時的同步這我希望你們有一個更相正的SOP 好不好好 之後再跟署長來討論 署長請回接下來我要請國交署署長\n312689\t329244\t請國教署彭署長署長好今天很關切你知道我關切的嗎就是說因為運動部9月成立了所以有關於學校體育未來教育部國教署跟運動部如何來分工大家都很關切那我看我們過去其實教育部也做了很多準備\n330846\t348366\t這個張亮次長其實針對這個分工開了七次的會議很多其實原則已經訂定出來就基本上就是說一般性的教育部負責特殊的例如競技專業運動部來負責但大家關切的還是很多在實務上到底就是怎麼樣來定義然後最擔心的當然就是\n349723\t368920\t千萬不要發生互相踢皮球的狀況首先我想請教像我們在學校裡面的校隊或體育班它有一些是專任教練這個教育不管但有一些過去是計劃性的外聘教練這個未來是歸哪一個部會管呢\n370700\t391808\t各位很簡單補充兩點教練的資格是運動部教練的禁用或是他有學務事件那是教育部所以資格是運動部禁用是教育部那你講的原額就是指正式編制的其實很多實務上都是外聘的那過去是用體育署的計劃經費\n393348\t420092\t教练其实有四种从专任运动教练就分两种一直到外聘的等等大概有四种加起来教练有将近一千位抱歉 专任一千位整个教练有一万九千多位大概有一万那其中除了专任运动教练因为他有一些国际或者全国性赛事等等的认定那个标准是运动部\n420812\t438232\t基本上人歸教育部管我們有些專任教練他同時也是體育老師他也是正式教師這個未來都是由教育部那這個算明確像我們學校裡面的精神訓練站精神訓練站歸教育部還是運動部\n440595\t459762\t是运动部归运动部那基层训练站所使用的场地有一些其实是共用的就是比如说篮球课一般的篮球课程跟篮球队使用的场地是共用的那未来是教育部管还是运动部管原则上会是只要是共用的因为他教学属性大会是教育部\n460362\t488214\t教育部管所以只要是一般課程完全專項的那是運動部這個是在教育部跟運動部之間再來第二個問題是因為現在地方政府很多單位也在詢問我們有些縣市政府他的不一定有他有教育局不一定有體育局或是說他是教育局運動處甚至有些甚至只是一個科但是我們現在教育部跟運動部分工明確了但是在對到地方政府\n489232\t513735\t的這個補助事項你們是會不會有教育部要對運動處運動部要對教育局這樣子的業務呢地方政府的業務之間有沒有需要移撥那你們有沒有進行這個溝通了我看你們是有跟地方教育局的會議啦但是我並沒有看到地方體育局的會議這也許是未來運動部要開的這部分我就是給這個國教署提醒\n514295\t528431\t跟委員報告兩點第一點在七月份局處長會議的時候都已經說明過運動部也有來說明在九月份的時候運動也發了一個文做明確區隔就我們來了解第三點地方政府在執行上是沒有問題的以上幾點跟您回報謝謝\n529873\t545225\t原则明确很好但实务上它带来很多问题所以我今天就是希望教育部国教署未来拜托跟运动部持续保持沟通我们定期都会有会商的会议谢谢好 感谢 署长请回接下来我要邀请我们教育部部长请教育部这部长\n551998\t571265\t政務長好 這個之前有跟您關切過就是我們大學的文資的修繕維護因為這我非常重視那我也很開心在你們今年送進來的預算當中有一筆新增預算就是15億的來補助國立大學的老舊校舍修繕這個裡面有沒有包括文資維護\n572125\t595368\t我想这里边确实委员看到了问题我们看到有一些学校有一个非常好的历史但是学校的建筑它却是比较长年的失去了一个维护维修特别在文字这个部分过去它确实比较多我们办法是来自于文化部但是我们认为在学校的建筑学校的设备\n596189\t617265\t學校建築是一個不會說話的老師特別有歷史記憶的許多的這些古蹟我們怎麼樣能夠把它優先保存我想這也是我們教育部覺得我們責無旁貸沒錯學校的這些文資建築部長您說不會說話的老師我很認同那我的母校台大有特別多這種老師\n618166\t637345\t不會說話的老師就文資那過去監察院也有調查也有要求台大檢討過就是說台大的文資很多很多剛好都坐在我的選區中正區以這個在我們附近徐州路8號過去台大法學院社科院的這個校舍為例我們教育部對老舊校舍定義40年嘛這個社科院徐州路8號這裡面\n639767\t657438\t這個行政大樓100年另外兩棟教室更悠久是超過100年那其中圖書館呢是我們台灣知名建築師王大宏建築師也是你們教育部的建築師嘛他的這個作品那現在呢這個台大社科院法學院就指現在還有一棟樓\n658459\t675652\t到現在我看台大還沒有編列這個預算來做修護所以我現在要請問的是我們這個新編列15億的這個修繕預算這個像譬如說台大這種情況他可不可以來申請他當然是可以來的也跟我們報告\n676857\t697002\t就在徐州路那麼方便我其實每一次走過去我都覺得非常感覺很高興因為那麼漂亮的台大應該想辦法優先把它整理整修好而不是一直在蓋新的大樓其實我一直覺得我們看歐美幾百年八百年九百年的這樣一個學校的一個歷史建橋\n697682\t715644\t牛津我希望我們其實應該要有這樣的一個這樣的一個對歷史建物上的那一個能夠傳遞許多更具有教育人文的這樣意涵的這樣一個教育的一個信息價值出來好 認同那這邊因為未來是要活化做國際政治學院\n716084\t737583\t其實也是我們高教國際化的重點所以我在此也要以校的身份呼籲台灣大學這個計畫如果今年 因為預算還要審查我非常支持這一筆預算那我希望立法院可以順利通過那我們也呼籲台大要趕快來申請競爭型預算還是要公平順利但是有報有機會不要說連報都沒報那就不能再喊窮了好 謝謝部長 謝謝主席謝謝吳佩奕委員\n","txt":"好謝謝主席首先我邀請清發署署長清發署署長署長好剛剛看了這個教育部今天的業務報告那我主要是針對裡面我們去年度來新的計畫還有我們明年因為預算送進來明年的一些新的計畫今天跟教育部討論所以我等會議序會再邀請國教署署長那最後再邀請教育部部長來進行討論\n首先是這個青年海外圓夢基金這是賴清德總統他過去青年政策白皮書裡面非常重要的一個重點政策那我看了一下你們去年執行的成效我覺得其實相當亮眼然後我自己也收到很多年輕朋友的回饋因為這個報名其實相當搶手啊就是你們送出去剛剛部長說將近1500位嘛那其實來徵選的是8倍這個8000多位的青年朋友來申請報名\n那很多人回來因為口耳相傳口碑好嘛大家分享自己的經驗有些陸續還要再出去的很多人都已經在問說明年要怎麼樣來申請所以呢我想這個計畫很好那內容呢其實也很亮眼喔像我自己特別關注的霹靂舞你們有一個計畫是到紐約然後到我們這個霹靂舞教父\n他成立了一個機構 學習嘻哈文化然後呢也有這個培訓的課程然後K-pop也跟韓國的那個胡源大學來合作去參訪他們的整個演藝產業啊 經濟啊那同時也給他進行這個歌唱舞蹈的培訓所以我覺得相當的多元那因為今年有發生一個案件就是有我們在加拿大的這個\n青年朋友遇到這個性騷擾的案件那我看一下你們處理的過程基本上我們算是有及時處理不過還是要提出個案跟署長討論因為我想這個計畫我們要繼續而且呢很多的這個年輕朋友甚至裡面有些是未成年15到17歲所以我想我們要很重視這個制度跟SOP\n這個案件發生在 他是這位計畫參與人他是到加拿大的珍乃街那他在社群媒體上面說這個在地的這個計畫負責人多次的性騷擾而且後來的這個很多人分享可能是多次對多人的行為有包括呢這個去抓捏\n肩膀甚至藉故看手機去握人家的手然後甚至有不當邀約邀請學員說半夜要不要出來唱歌甚至有言語很不當言語說這個女生裙子應該穿短一點等等這性騷的事件發生那我們清發署後來是如何處理呢\n那这个部分我们跟委员也说明一下就是说我们在事件发生之后我们住处就立即隔绝双方的接触而且调整我们蹲点的单位那我们在尊重学生的意愿之下青年发展署也全力去支持青年寻求那个法律的救济所以我们也提供了法律的咨询而且进而去补助这个相关的经费那我们在针对\n好那我們也持續關懷我們青年的身心跟他的一個生活需求加拿大這個機構明年還會跟他合作嗎不會我們終止合作了那之前給他這個培訓的費用我們有沒有追討回來\n對 我們這個培訓的費用就是已經就是分期然後最慢就是最後一期在十月底前錢都要追回來嘛 對不對這個責任一定要追究這個案子為什麼我覺得很重要第一個啦 我覺得四個理由第一個 這個我們政府有保障安全的責任\n第二個事件發生都在海外所以有可能他是以孤立無援的困境那當地的住處有些有我們教育部部派人員有些沒有啊那在沒有我們部派人員的住處你們這個通報的SOP如何建立\n再來很多我剛剛講到他是未成年未成年的參與他風險更高那有些的傷害可能是不可逆的所以我們事先的這個預防整個SOP必須要訂定的很詳細最後就是剛好提到說法律救濟嘛但是其實海外的法律程序他可能更加的困難那這個案件裡面我們有沒有權額來支持提供這個法律訴訟的費用\n好的那這個部分我們也全額來支持青年就是提供那個必要的法律協助所以費用都是由我們青年署這邊來我們來處理好那我看到你們有訂定了一個海外性別事件通報處理機制但是針對我們參與我們這個青年海外圓夢計畫的參與的這些學員\n他在海外遇到緊急事件如何通報那我們住處跟我們清發署這個中間的溝通讓他更能夠及時的同步這我希望你們有一個更相正的SOP 好不好好 之後再跟署長來討論 署長請回接下來我要請國交署署長\n請國教署彭署長署長好今天很關切你知道我關切的嗎就是說因為運動部9月成立了所以有關於學校體育未來教育部國教署跟運動部如何來分工大家都很關切那我看我們過去其實教育部也做了很多準備\n這個張亮次長其實針對這個分工開了七次的會議很多其實原則已經訂定出來就基本上就是說一般性的教育部負責特殊的例如競技專業運動部來負責但大家關切的還是很多在實務上到底就是怎麼樣來定義然後最擔心的當然就是\n千萬不要發生互相踢皮球的狀況首先我想請教像我們在學校裡面的校隊或體育班它有一些是專任教練這個教育不管但有一些過去是計劃性的外聘教練這個未來是歸哪一個部會管呢\n各位很簡單補充兩點教練的資格是運動部教練的禁用或是他有學務事件那是教育部所以資格是運動部禁用是教育部那你講的原額就是指正式編制的其實很多實務上都是外聘的那過去是用體育署的計劃經費\n教练其实有四种从专任运动教练就分两种一直到外聘的等等大概有四种加起来教练有将近一千位抱歉 专任一千位整个教练有一万九千多位大概有一万那其中除了专任运动教练因为他有一些国际或者全国性赛事等等的认定那个标准是运动部\n基本上人歸教育部管我們有些專任教練他同時也是體育老師他也是正式教師這個未來都是由教育部那這個算明確像我們學校裡面的精神訓練站精神訓練站歸教育部還是運動部\n是运动部归运动部那基层训练站所使用的场地有一些其实是共用的就是比如说篮球课一般的篮球课程跟篮球队使用的场地是共用的那未来是教育部管还是运动部管原则上会是只要是共用的因为他教学属性大会是教育部\n教育部管所以只要是一般課程完全專項的那是運動部這個是在教育部跟運動部之間再來第二個問題是因為現在地方政府很多單位也在詢問我們有些縣市政府他的不一定有他有教育局不一定有體育局或是說他是教育局運動處甚至有些甚至只是一個科但是我們現在教育部跟運動部分工明確了但是在對到地方政府\n的這個補助事項你們是會不會有教育部要對運動處運動部要對教育局這樣子的業務呢地方政府的業務之間有沒有需要移撥那你們有沒有進行這個溝通了我看你們是有跟地方教育局的會議啦但是我並沒有看到地方體育局的會議這也許是未來運動部要開的這部分我就是給這個國教署提醒\n跟委員報告兩點第一點在七月份局處長會議的時候都已經說明過運動部也有來說明在九月份的時候運動也發了一個文做明確區隔就我們來了解第三點地方政府在執行上是沒有問題的以上幾點跟您回報謝謝\n原则明确很好但实务上它带来很多问题所以我今天就是希望教育部国教署未来拜托跟运动部持续保持沟通我们定期都会有会商的会议谢谢好 感谢 署长请回接下来我要邀请我们教育部部长请教育部这部长\n政務長好 這個之前有跟您關切過就是我們大學的文資的修繕維護因為這我非常重視那我也很開心在你們今年送進來的預算當中有一筆新增預算就是15億的來補助國立大學的老舊校舍修繕這個裡面有沒有包括文資維護\n我想这里边确实委员看到了问题我们看到有一些学校有一个非常好的历史但是学校的建筑它却是比较长年的失去了一个维护维修特别在文字这个部分过去它确实比较多我们办法是来自于文化部但是我们认为在学校的建筑学校的设备\n學校建築是一個不會說話的老師特別有歷史記憶的許多的這些古蹟我們怎麼樣能夠把它優先保存我想這也是我們教育部覺得我們責無旁貸沒錯學校的這些文資建築部長您說不會說話的老師我很認同那我的母校台大有特別多這種老師\n不會說話的老師就文資那過去監察院也有調查也有要求台大檢討過就是說台大的文資很多很多剛好都坐在我的選區中正區以這個在我們附近徐州路8號過去台大法學院社科院的這個校舍為例我們教育部對老舊校舍定義40年嘛這個社科院徐州路8號這裡面\n這個行政大樓100年另外兩棟教室更悠久是超過100年那其中圖書館呢是我們台灣知名建築師王大宏建築師也是你們教育部的建築師嘛他的這個作品那現在呢這個台大社科院法學院就指現在還有一棟樓\n到現在我看台大還沒有編列這個預算來做修護所以我現在要請問的是我們這個新編列15億的這個修繕預算這個像譬如說台大這種情況他可不可以來申請他當然是可以來的也跟我們報告\n就在徐州路那麼方便我其實每一次走過去我都覺得非常感覺很高興因為那麼漂亮的台大應該想辦法優先把它整理整修好而不是一直在蓋新的大樓其實我一直覺得我們看歐美幾百年八百年九百年的這樣一個學校的一個歷史建橋\n牛津我希望我們其實應該要有這樣的一個這樣的一個對歷史建物上的那一個能夠傳遞許多更具有教育人文的這樣意涵的這樣一個教育的一個信息價值出來好 認同那這邊因為未來是要活化做國際政治學院\n其實也是我們高教國際化的重點所以我在此也要以校的身份呼籲台灣大學這個計畫如果今年 因為預算還要審查我非常支持這一筆預算那我希望立法院可以順利通過那我們也呼籲台大要趕快來申請競爭型預算還是要公平順利但是有報有機會不要說連報都沒報那就不能再喊窮了好 謝謝部長 謝謝主席謝謝吳佩奕委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.418 --> 00:14.243\n好謝謝主席首先我邀請清發署署長清發署署長署長好剛剛看了這個教育部今天的業務報告那我主要是針對裡面我們去年度來新的計畫還有我們明年因為預算送進來明年的一些新的計畫今天跟教育部討論所以我等會議序會再邀請國教署署長那最後再邀請教育部部長來進行討論\n\n00:37.581 --> 00:42.543\n首先是這個青年海外圓夢基金這是賴清德總統他過去青年政策白皮書裡面非常重要的一個重點政策那我看了一下你們去年執行的成效我覺得其實相當亮眼然後我自己也收到很多年輕朋友的回饋因為這個報名其實相當搶手啊就是你們送出去剛剛部長說將近1500位嘛那其實來徵選的是8倍這個8000多位的青年朋友來申請報名\n\n01:05.174 --> 01:24.504\n那很多人回來因為口耳相傳口碑好嘛大家分享自己的經驗有些陸續還要再出去的很多人都已經在問說明年要怎麼樣來申請所以呢我想這個計畫很好那內容呢其實也很亮眼喔像我自己特別關注的霹靂舞你們有一個計畫是到紐約然後到我們這個霹靂舞教父\n\n01:24.864 --> 01:28.286\n他成立了一個機構學習嘻哈文化然後呢也有這個培訓的課程然後K-pop也跟韓國的那個胡源大學來合作去參訪他們的整個演藝產業啊經濟啊那同時也給他進行這個歌唱舞蹈的培訓所以我覺得相當的多元那因為今年有發生一個案件就是有我們在加拿大的這個\n\n01:46.514 --> 02:06.676\n青年朋友遇到這個性騷擾的案件那我看一下你們處理的過程基本上我們算是有及時處理不過還是要提出個案跟署長討論因為我想這個計畫我們要繼續而且呢很多的這個年輕朋友甚至裡面有些是未成年15到17歲所以我想我們要很重視這個制度跟SOP\n\n02:07.997 --> 02:29.108\n這個案件發生在他是這位計畫參與人他是到加拿大的珍乃街那他在社群媒體上面說這個在地的這個計畫負責人多次的性騷擾而且後來的這個很多人分享可能是多次對多人的行為有包括呢這個去抓捏\n\n02:30.632 --> 02:49.250\n肩膀甚至藉故看手機去握人家的手然後甚至有不當邀約邀請學員說半夜要不要出來唱歌甚至有言語很不當言語說這個女生裙子應該穿短一點等等這性騷的事件發生那我們清發署後來是如何處理呢\n\n02:51.315 --> 03:18.494\n那这个部分我们跟委员也说明一下就是说我们在事件发生之后我们住处就立即隔绝双方的接触而且调整我们蹲点的单位那我们在尊重学生的意愿之下青年发展署也全力去支持青年寻求那个法律的救济所以我们也提供了法律的咨询而且进而去补助这个相关的经费那我们在针对\n\n03:19.992 --> 03:35.150\n好那我們也持續關懷我們青年的身心跟他的一個生活需求加拿大這個機構明年還會跟他合作嗎不會我們終止合作了那之前給他這個培訓的費用我們有沒有追討回來\n\n03:36.171 --> 03:53.176\n對我們這個培訓的費用就是已經就是分期然後最慢就是最後一期在十月底前錢都要追回來嘛對不對這個責任一定要追究這個案子為什麼我覺得很重要第一個啦我覺得四個理由第一個這個我們政府有保障安全的責任\n\n03:54.036 --> 04:08.739\n第二個事件發生都在海外所以有可能他是以孤立無援的困境那當地的住處有些有我們教育部部派人員有些沒有啊那在沒有我們部派人員的住處你們這個通報的SOP如何建立\n\n04:09.660 --> 04:31.699\n再來很多我剛剛講到他是未成年未成年的參與他風險更高那有些的傷害可能是不可逆的所以我們事先的這個預防整個SOP必須要訂定的很詳細最後就是剛好提到說法律救濟嘛但是其實海外的法律程序他可能更加的困難那這個案件裡面我們有沒有權額來支持提供這個法律訴訟的費用\n\n04:32.540 --> 04:47.733\n好的那這個部分我們也全額來支持青年就是提供那個必要的法律協助所以費用都是由我們青年署這邊來我們來處理好那我看到你們有訂定了一個海外性別事件通報處理機制但是針對我們參與我們這個青年海外圓夢計畫的參與的這些學員\n\n04:53.237 --> 05:10.898\n他在海外遇到緊急事件如何通報那我們住處跟我們清發署這個中間的溝通讓他更能夠及時的同步這我希望你們有一個更相正的SOP好不好好之後再跟署長來討論署長請回接下來我要請國交署署長\n\n05:12.689 --> 05:29.244\n請國教署彭署長署長好今天很關切你知道我關切的嗎就是說因為運動部9月成立了所以有關於學校體育未來教育部國教署跟運動部如何來分工大家都很關切那我看我們過去其實教育部也做了很多準備\n\n05:30.846 --> 05:48.366\n這個張亮次長其實針對這個分工開了七次的會議很多其實原則已經訂定出來就基本上就是說一般性的教育部負責特殊的例如競技專業運動部來負責但大家關切的還是很多在實務上到底就是怎麼樣來定義然後最擔心的當然就是\n\n05:49.723 --> 06:08.920\n千萬不要發生互相踢皮球的狀況首先我想請教像我們在學校裡面的校隊或體育班它有一些是專任教練這個教育不管但有一些過去是計劃性的外聘教練這個未來是歸哪一個部會管呢\n\n06:10.700 --> 06:31.808\n各位很簡單補充兩點教練的資格是運動部教練的禁用或是他有學務事件那是教育部所以資格是運動部禁用是教育部那你講的原額就是指正式編制的其實很多實務上都是外聘的那過去是用體育署的計劃經費\n\n06:33.348 --> 07:00.092\n教练其实有四种从专任运动教练就分两种一直到外聘的等等大概有四种加起来教练有将近一千位抱歉专任一千位整个教练有一万九千多位大概有一万那其中除了专任运动教练因为他有一些国际或者全国性赛事等等的认定那个标准是运动部\n\n07:00.812 --> 07:18.232\n基本上人歸教育部管我們有些專任教練他同時也是體育老師他也是正式教師這個未來都是由教育部那這個算明確像我們學校裡面的精神訓練站精神訓練站歸教育部還是運動部\n\n07:20.595 --> 07:39.762\n是运动部归运动部那基层训练站所使用的场地有一些其实是共用的就是比如说篮球课一般的篮球课程跟篮球队使用的场地是共用的那未来是教育部管还是运动部管原则上会是只要是共用的因为他教学属性大会是教育部\n\n07:40.362 --> 08:08.214\n教育部管所以只要是一般課程完全專項的那是運動部這個是在教育部跟運動部之間再來第二個問題是因為現在地方政府很多單位也在詢問我們有些縣市政府他的不一定有他有教育局不一定有體育局或是說他是教育局運動處甚至有些甚至只是一個科但是我們現在教育部跟運動部分工明確了但是在對到地方政府\n\n08:09.232 --> 08:33.735\n的這個補助事項你們是會不會有教育部要對運動處運動部要對教育局這樣子的業務呢地方政府的業務之間有沒有需要移撥那你們有沒有進行這個溝通了我看你們是有跟地方教育局的會議啦但是我並沒有看到地方體育局的會議這也許是未來運動部要開的這部分我就是給這個國教署提醒\n\n08:34.295 --> 08:48.431\n跟委員報告兩點第一點在七月份局處長會議的時候都已經說明過運動部也有來說明在九月份的時候運動也發了一個文做明確區隔就我們來了解第三點地方政府在執行上是沒有問題的以上幾點跟您回報謝謝\n\n08:49.873 --> 09:05.225\n原则明确很好但实务上它带来很多问题所以我今天就是希望教育部国教署未来拜托跟运动部持续保持沟通我们定期都会有会商的会议谢谢好感谢署长请回接下来我要邀请我们教育部部长请教育部这部长\n\n09:11.998 --> 09:31.265\n政務長好這個之前有跟您關切過就是我們大學的文資的修繕維護因為這我非常重視那我也很開心在你們今年送進來的預算當中有一筆新增預算就是15億的來補助國立大學的老舊校舍修繕這個裡面有沒有包括文資維護\n\n09:32.125 --> 09:55.368\n我想这里边确实委员看到了问题我们看到有一些学校有一个非常好的历史但是学校的建筑它却是比较长年的失去了一个维护维修特别在文字这个部分过去它确实比较多我们办法是来自于文化部但是我们认为在学校的建筑学校的设备\n\n09:56.189 --> 10:17.265\n學校建築是一個不會說話的老師特別有歷史記憶的許多的這些古蹟我們怎麼樣能夠把它優先保存我想這也是我們教育部覺得我們責無旁貸沒錯學校的這些文資建築部長您說不會說話的老師我很認同那我的母校台大有特別多這種老師\n\n10:18.166 --> 10:37.345\n不會說話的老師就文資那過去監察院也有調查也有要求台大檢討過就是說台大的文資很多很多剛好都坐在我的選區中正區以這個在我們附近徐州路8號過去台大法學院社科院的這個校舍為例我們教育部對老舊校舍定義40年嘛這個社科院徐州路8號這裡面\n\n10:39.767 --> 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署長請回接下來我要請國交署署長"},{"start":312.689,"end":329.244,"text":"請國教署彭署長署長好今天很關切你知道我關切的嗎就是說因為運動部9月成立了所以有關於學校體育未來教育部國教署跟運動部如何來分工大家都很關切那我看我們過去其實教育部也做了很多準備"},{"start":330.846,"end":348.366,"text":"這個張亮次長其實針對這個分工開了七次的會議很多其實原則已經訂定出來就基本上就是說一般性的教育部負責特殊的例如競技專業運動部來負責但大家關切的還是很多在實務上到底就是怎麼樣來定義然後最擔心的當然就是"},{"start":349.723,"end":368.92,"text":"千萬不要發生互相踢皮球的狀況首先我想請教像我們在學校裡面的校隊或體育班它有一些是專任教練這個教育不管但有一些過去是計劃性的外聘教練這個未來是歸哪一個部會管呢"},{"start":370.7,"end":391.808,"text":"各位很簡單補充兩點教練的資格是運動部教練的禁用或是他有學務事件那是教育部所以資格是運動部禁用是教育部那你講的原額就是指正式編制的其實很多實務上都是外聘的那過去是用體育署的計劃經費"},{"start":393.348,"end":420.092,"text":"教练其实有四种从专任运动教练就分两种一直到外聘的等等大概有四种加起来教练有将近一千位抱歉 专任一千位整个教练有一万九千多位大概有一万那其中除了专任运动教练因为他有一些国际或者全国性赛事等等的认定那个标准是运动部"},{"start":420.812,"end":438.232,"text":"基本上人歸教育部管我們有些專任教練他同時也是體育老師他也是正式教師這個未來都是由教育部那這個算明確像我們學校裡面的精神訓練站精神訓練站歸教育部還是運動部"},{"start":440.595,"end":459.762,"text":"是运动部归运动部那基层训练站所使用的场地有一些其实是共用的就是比如说篮球课一般的篮球课程跟篮球队使用的场地是共用的那未来是教育部管还是运动部管原则上会是只要是共用的因为他教学属性大会是教育部"},{"start":460.362,"end":488.214,"text":"教育部管所以只要是一般課程完全專項的那是運動部這個是在教育部跟運動部之間再來第二個問題是因為現在地方政府很多單位也在詢問我們有些縣市政府他的不一定有他有教育局不一定有體育局或是說他是教育局運動處甚至有些甚至只是一個科但是我們現在教育部跟運動部分工明確了但是在對到地方政府"},{"start":489.232,"end":513.735,"text":"的這個補助事項你們是會不會有教育部要對運動處運動部要對教育局這樣子的業務呢地方政府的業務之間有沒有需要移撥那你們有沒有進行這個溝通了我看你們是有跟地方教育局的會議啦但是我並沒有看到地方體育局的會議這也許是未來運動部要開的這部分我就是給這個國教署提醒"},{"start":514.295,"end":528.431,"text":"跟委員報告兩點第一點在七月份局處長會議的時候都已經說明過運動部也有來說明在九月份的時候運動也發了一個文做明確區隔就我們來了解第三點地方政府在執行上是沒有問題的以上幾點跟您回報謝謝"},{"start":529.873,"end":545.225,"text":"原则明确很好但实务上它带来很多问题所以我今天就是希望教育部国教署未来拜托跟运动部持续保持沟通我们定期都会有会商的会议谢谢好 感谢 署长请回接下来我要邀请我们教育部部长请教育部这部长"},{"start":551.998,"end":571.265,"text":"政務長好 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