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00:01:38,604\n413萬9千元那麼增加到413萬9千元那增幅高達了37.97那如果只是單純的例行維護或古蹟保養的一個支出那麼應該是年度的常態性預算那怎麼會有這麼明顯的一個增列那另外這邊我再提醒的你們應該注意的是這個預算不是唯一涉及硬體設施的支出115年你們另外還有編列改善\n\n5\n00:01:39,384 --> 00:01:57,364\n或興建消防系統工程3600萬元然後以及中央空調通風機監控等相關系統的改善工程103萬4000元那麼在有其他像重大改善工程以及編列預算的情況下\n\n6\n00:01:58,064 --> 00:02:21,676\n為什麼在國定古蹟區域維護還要同步的大幅增加你們有沒有檢視一下裡面有沒有重複編列或預算性質混淆或者是名目重疊的可能性所以針對這點本席請教一下我們代理秘書長副秘書長你們新的年度這個國定古蹟區域維護工程跟歷年有什麼樣的不同\n\n7\n00:02:22,950 --> 00:02:50,812\n那第二個部分你們部分工作是不是跟消防系統改善或者是空調系統改善的範疇交疊那整體改善工程在進行為什麼還要再進行增列的維護經費那麼第三個部分是你們可不可以提供一下你們工程的一個評估報告那你們這個維護的需求評定文件跟歷年維修紀錄給本席來檢視一下針對本席以上所提的這一點好不好\n\n8\n00:02:53,351 --> 00:03:13,803\n我分點來說明有關於國定古蹟的專案維護工程應該是四百一十三萬九千的對四百多萬所以它的增幅那是因為我們是一級古蹟是個國定古蹟\n\n9\n00:03:14,463 --> 00:03:29,569\n那其實照顧跟維護的古蹟他通常是要按照相關的一個文資法的一個規定是一定是依照文資法的所以本席這邊提出來就是說你們這個征服相較於去年那這樣子一個例行性的維護這個差別在哪裡\n\n10\n00:03:30,949 --> 00:03:56,497\n對有些細項我來說明一下比如說是他是專案性的要汰換老舊的空調設備因為這就是我的問題因為你們另外還有編的這個空調還有這個消防系統的改善等於是你們這邊已經編了然後但是你們這邊另外我講的那個部分國定古蹟區域的相關維護工程你們也有在增加那這個部分是怎麼個有沒有重疊的可能\n\n11\n00:03:57,437 --> 00:04:18,730\n是沒有完全沒有重疊因為監察院呢是有國定古蹟還有同時國定古蹟的區域嘛範圍區域而已另外還有還有其他的那個辦公區域那不是屬於國定古蹟的範圍所以呢有關於中央空調那部分是屬於國定古蹟以外的中央空調也是要調整其實因為現在的\n\n12\n00:04:19,370 --> 00:04:37,791\n對,但是本席這邊所問的是你們今年的三百萬然後增加明年到了四百一十三萬那這中間在這個國定古蹟的例行性的這個部分你們是增加了什麼樣的項目然後我另外問的是就是說消防跟空調系統的這個部分如果是您所講的辦公室的這個區塊\n\n13\n00:04:38,832 --> 00:05:06,871\n那這中間的一個差別是在哪裡最重要的就是那個國定古蹟的這個部分你們增幅最主要今年跟過去的例行性你們是增加了什麼樣子的一個項目其實也是因為它的空調是老舊必須要變更等於是你在國定國定古蹟的範圍裡面你們要處理空調嗎還有相關的供電設備跟電源線路還有還是同仁這邊要不要來補充一下簡單的補充一下\n\n14\n00:05:08,823 --> 00:05:32,513\n那但是最重要就是說你們可能整個工程的評估今年為什麼要這樣做那那個跟歷年來的維修紀錄也是要給本席檢視那你現在先簡單的說明一下我先簡單的跟委員報告一下剛委員所講的古蹟的一個修繕從200變300那這個部分對就114年是200115年是300那這個部分呢它是屬於你們115年到413萬吧\n\n15\n00:05:38,686 --> 00:05:56,149\n那是不是你們把相關的資料是不是檢視完然後好好的再說明一下吧國定古蹟區域它是屬於專案它不是預案執行那專案的部分國定古蹟區監察院有新大樓跟國定古蹟區那明年的413萬其實我是針對國定古蹟區西翼二樓的空調老舊空調去做一個一級的節能減碳的一個汰換\n\n16\n00:06:05,111 --> 00:06:25,122\n那其實監察院這幾年都逐步在針對國定古蹟區的一個空調做分區的一個汰換那未來會汰換到新大樓所以這聽起來是例行性的所以專案它是專案不是例行是專案例行性的吧你每一年針對這個專案有去做一些處理嗎只有這幾年是這個專案然後這個空調汰換老舊空調汰換結束以後就不會有這個屬於這個專案了所以我們是把它\n\n17\n00:06:32,546 --> 00:06:46,818\n好的本席這邊的問題就是你的增幅蠻高的所以你是不是針對這個汰換今年跟去年的一個比較然後來跟本席做一下說明那最重要你是不是相關的資料先給本席可以那之後我再確認一下這個部分好不好好\n\n18\n00:06:47,819 --> 00:07:11,378\n那接下來本席這邊要提到一件事情是跟這個監察院之前有一個報告那是原住民族的一個司法權益那去年8月那個監委王美玉監委有一個調查報告針對全國地檢署原住民的特約同意與別跟人數還有實際需求的嚴重失衡有列出一個報告那裡面提到\n\n19\n00:07:12,660 --> 00:07:26,979\n原住民的族語有16族語和42種方言但是目前檢察署特約同意只有7種語別但是上個禮拜本席問了法務部長他說現在有8種但是基本上還是有一大半都還是沒有語別\n\n20\n00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:41,997\n那沒有辦法用母語或者是如果檢查體系沒有辦法了解母語陳述後面的邏輯那整會剝奪整個他們受公平審判的一個基本權益所以本席也跟法務部這邊提出了這個補強的一個質詢\n\n21\n00:07:44,920 --> 00:08:08,596\n但是基本上整個語別還是非常的確如所以這個全面檢討制度跟通盤補足語別與人力的配置的整個進展還是遠遠不足所以本席要請教您監察院是不是有持續追蹤這個調查的後續情況那麼有沒有要求行政院法務部具體的提交改善期程跟執行的成果\n\n22\n00:08:09,276 --> 00:08:29,428\n本席在這邊強調依據原住民族基本法第30條的明文規定我們國家是有義務來提供足夠的族語通譯不能由執行的人員來自行判斷免除所以在司改國是會議的決議也已經要求來建立完整的原住民族司法通譯的這個制度\n\n23\n00:08:30,569 --> 00:08:47,544\n今天早上的質詢我聽到幾位委員其實是針對雖然你們有一些報告但是在後面的一個執行上在過去你們會彈劾但是後面的一個追蹤這是本席現在關心的一個重點所以這個部分是不是鳳鳴林這邊有沒有一個什麼看法\n\n24\n00:08:48,103 --> 00:09:03,265\n就是跟委員說明我們提出有關於那個同意的部分其實不管是第六屆還是第五屆都有相關的調查案這是有關於司法正義上面非常重要的制度那這個做法就是現在你們針對各單位目前做法的一個進度\n\n25\n00:09:03,686 --> 00:09:27,886\n了解那有關於這次的調查報告在去年提出來那王文宇委員會持續根據他的調查意見會持續追蹤會監督我們也還沒有結案會等到得到訪問部有完整的回答我們同意了以後才會做結案的動作現在目前還沒有改善完成\n\n26\n00:09:28,426 --> 00:09:42,727\n好的那是不是可以請你們在你既然還沒有結案那是不是在這個進度的追趕上能夠去督促每一個單位請他們還是有實際的一個期程那當然本席知道中間可能還是會有一些困難\n\n27\n00:09:43,608 --> 00:10:07,105\n基本上為了一個司法的公平我們知道族人常常在一些表達上還有司法人員訓練對於語言邏輯上的一個理解其實還必須要更為多元更為寬廣所以在國事會議裡面的決議也應該要求了完整的原住民族司法的通譯制度你們的國家人權機構也應該好好的來落實人權的保障\n\n28\n00:10:08,286 --> 00:10:30,321\n最重要不是只有停在那個專案報告後面的做法是非常重要所以最後本席這邊提醒司法正義一定要從當事人能夠以自己的魔慾及他的邏輯能夠被充分的理解那司法體系的理解語言的邏輯文化應該要更為普遍就是說對司法人員的這個\n\n29\n00:10:32,443 --> 00:10:44,864\n對於語言文化的這個理解可能要有更進一步更寬廣跟更深度的一個訓練那請司法院務必追這樣一個進度好嗎好謝謝好謝謝林倩倩\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6192\t15041\t好 謝謝主席莊昭偉我們請司法院的代理副秘書長請代理秘書長代理秘書長 副秘書長\n17782\t43597\t委員早安 委員好早安王副秘書長本席今天先針對監察院內部的一個經費的這個部分來做一下跟您的討論所以我這邊要問到的是你們在115年營建工程向下有一個預算編列那麼根據第六款第一項跟第六目的第一節營建工程向下有一個房屋建築及設備費\n45178\t68824\t今年整個的編列增加了2668萬3千元增幅相當的明顯我再看了一下整個細項的內容其中在國定古蹟區域等相關的維護工程下114年就是今年應該是300萬元但是下一個年度你們卻增加了\n70745\t98604\t413萬9千元那麼增加到413萬9千元那增幅高達了37.97那如果只是單純的例行維護或古蹟保養的一個支出那麼應該是年度的常態性預算那怎麼會有這麼明顯的一個增列那另外這邊我再提醒的你們應該注意的是這個預算不是唯一涉及硬體設施的支出115年你們另外還有編列改善\n99384\t117364\t或興建消防系統工程3600萬元然後以及中央空調通風機監控等相關系統的改善工程103萬4000元那麼在有其他像重大改善工程以及編列預算的情況下\n118064\t141676\t為什麼在國定古蹟區域維護還要同步的大幅增加你們有沒有檢視一下裡面有沒有重複編列或預算性質混淆或者是名目重疊的可能性所以針對這點本席請教一下我們代理秘書長 副秘書長你們新的年度這個國定古蹟區域維護工程跟歷年有什麼樣的不同\n142950\t170812\t那第二個部分你們部分工作是不是跟消防系統改善或者是空調系統改善的範疇交疊那整體改善工程在進行為什麼還要再進行增列的維護經費那麼第三個部分是你們可不可以提供一下你們工程的一個評估報告那你們這個維護的需求評定文件跟歷年維修紀錄給本席來檢視一下針對本席以上所提的這一點好不好\n173351\t193803\t我分點來說明有關於國定古蹟的專案維護工程應該是四百一十三萬九千的對 四百多萬所以它的增幅那是因為我們是一級古蹟是個國定古蹟\n194463\t209569\t那其實照顧跟維護的古蹟他通常是要按照相關的一個文資法的一個規定是一定是依照文資法的所以本席這邊提出來就是說你們這個征服相較於去年那這樣子一個例行性的維護這個差別在哪裡\n210949\t236497\t對 有些細項我來說明一下比如說是他是專案性的要汰換老舊的空調設備因為這就是我的問題因為你們另外還有編的這個空調還有這個消防系統的改善等於是你們這邊已經編了然後但是你們這邊另外我講的那個部分國定古蹟區域的相關維護工程你們也有在增加那這個部分是怎麼個有沒有重疊的可能\n237437\t258730\t是沒有完全沒有重疊因為監察院呢是有國定古蹟還有同時國定古蹟的區域嘛範圍區域而已另外還有還有其他的那個辦公區域那不是屬於國定古蹟的範圍所以呢有關於中央空調那部分是屬於國定古蹟以外的中央空調也是要調整其實因為現在的\n259370\t277791\t對,但是本席這邊所問的是你們今年的三百萬然後增加明年到了四百一十三萬那這中間在這個國定古蹟的例行性的這個部分你們是增加了什麼樣的項目然後我另外問的是就是說消防跟空調系統的這個部分如果是您所講的辦公室的這個區塊\n278832\t306871\t那這中間的一個差別是在哪裡最重要的就是那個國定古蹟的這個部分你們增幅最主要今年跟過去的例行性你們是增加了什麼樣子的一個項目其實也是因為它的空調是老舊必須要變更等於是你在國定國定古蹟的範圍裡面你們要處理空調嗎還有相關的供電設備跟電源線路還有還是同仁這邊要不要來補充一下簡單的補充一下\n308823\t332513\t那但是最重要就是說你們可能整個工程的評估今年為什麼要這樣做那那個跟歷年來的維修紀錄也是要給本席檢視那你現在先簡單的說明一下我先簡單的跟委員報告一下剛委員所講的古蹟的一個修繕從200變300那這個部分對就114年是200 115年是300那這個部分呢它是屬於你們115年到413萬吧\n338686\t356149\t那是不是你們把相關的資料是不是檢視完然後好好的再說明一下吧國定古蹟區域它是屬於專案它不是預案執行那專案的部分國定古蹟區監察院有新大樓跟國定古蹟區那明年的413萬其實我是針對國定古蹟區西翼二樓的空調老舊空調去做一個一級的節能減碳的一個汰換\n365111\t385122\t那其實監察院這幾年都逐步在針對國定古蹟區的一個空調做分區的一個汰換那未來會汰換到新大樓所以這聽起來是例行性的所以專案它是專案不是例行是專案例行性的吧你每一年針對這個專案有去做一些處理嗎只有這幾年是這個專案然後這個空調汰換老舊空調汰換結束以後就不會有這個屬於這個專案了所以我們是把它\n392546\t406818\t好的 本席這邊的問題就是你的增幅蠻高的所以你是不是針對這個汰換今年跟去年的一個比較然後來跟本席做一下說明那最重要你是不是相關的資料先給本席可以那之後我再確認一下這個部分好不好好\n407819\t431378\t那接下來本席這邊要提到一件事情是跟這個監察院之前有一個報告那是原住民族的一個司法權益那去年8月那個監委王美玉監委有一個調查報告針對全國地檢署原住民的特約同意與別跟人數還有實際需求的嚴重失衡有列出一個報告那裡面提到\n432660\t446979\t原住民的族語有16族語和42種方言但是目前檢察署特約同意只有7種語別但是上個禮拜本席問了法務部長他說現在有8種但是基本上還是有一大半都還是沒有語別\n447600\t461997\t那沒有辦法用母語或者是如果檢查體系沒有辦法了解母語陳述後面的邏輯那整會剝奪整個他們受公平審判的一個基本權益所以本席也跟法務部這邊提出了這個補強的一個質詢\n464920\t488596\t但是基本上整個語別還是非常的確如所以這個全面檢討制度跟通盤補足語別與人力的配置的整個進展還是遠遠不足所以本席要請教您監察院是不是有持續追蹤這個調查的後續情況那麼有沒有要求行政院法務部具體的提交改善期程跟執行的成果\n489276\t509428\t本席在這邊強調依據原住民族基本法第30條的明文規定我們國家是有義務來提供足夠的族語通譯不能由執行的人員來自行判斷免除所以在司改國是會議的決議也已經要求來建立完整的原住民族司法通譯的這個制度\n510569\t527544\t今天早上的質詢我聽到幾位委員其實是針對雖然你們有一些報告但是在後面的一個執行上在過去你們會彈劾但是後面的一個追蹤這是本席現在關心的一個重點所以這個部分是不是鳳鳴林這邊有沒有一個什麼看法\n528103\t543265\t就是跟委員說明我們提出有關於那個同意的部分其實不管是第六屆還是第五屆都有相關的調查案這是有關於司法正義上面非常重要的制度那這個做法就是現在你們針對各單位目前做法的一個進度\n543686\t567886\t了解 那有關於這次的調查報告在去年提出來那王文宇委員會持續根據他的調查意見會持續追蹤 會監督我們也還沒有結案會等到得到訪問部有完整的回答我們同意了以後才會做結案的動作現在目前還沒有改善完成\n568426\t582727\t好的 那是不是可以請你們在你既然還沒有結案那是不是在這個進度的追趕上能夠去督促每一個單位請他們還是有實際的一個期程那當然本席知道中間可能還是會有一些困難\n583608\t607105\t基本上為了一個司法的公平我們知道族人常常在一些表達上還有司法人員訓練對於語言邏輯上的一個理解其實還必須要更為多元 更為寬廣所以在國事會議裡面的決議也應該要求了完整的原住民族司法的通譯制度你們的國家人權機構也應該好好的來落實人權的保障\n608286\t630321\t最重要不是只有停在那個專案報告後面的做法是非常重要所以最後本席這邊提醒司法正義一定要從當事人能夠以自己的魔慾及他的邏輯能夠被充分的理解那司法體系的理解語言的邏輯文化應該要更為普遍就是說對司法人員的這個\n632443\t644864\t對於語言文化的這個理解可能要有更進一步更寬廣跟更深度的一個訓練那請司法院務必追這樣一個進度好嗎好 謝謝好 謝謝林倩倩\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席莊昭偉我們請司法院的代理副秘書長請代理秘書長代理秘書長 副秘書長\n委員早安 委員好早安王副秘書長本席今天先針對監察院內部的一個經費的這個部分來做一下跟您的討論所以我這邊要問到的是你們在115年營建工程向下有一個預算編列那麼根據第六款第一項跟第六目的第一節營建工程向下有一個房屋建築及設備費\n今年整個的編列增加了2668萬3千元增幅相當的明顯我再看了一下整個細項的內容其中在國定古蹟區域等相關的維護工程下114年就是今年應該是300萬元但是下一個年度你們卻增加了\n413萬9千元那麼增加到413萬9千元那增幅高達了37.97那如果只是單純的例行維護或古蹟保養的一個支出那麼應該是年度的常態性預算那怎麼會有這麼明顯的一個增列那另外這邊我再提醒的你們應該注意的是這個預算不是唯一涉及硬體設施的支出115年你們另外還有編列改善\n或興建消防系統工程3600萬元然後以及中央空調通風機監控等相關系統的改善工程103萬4000元那麼在有其他像重大改善工程以及編列預算的情況下\n為什麼在國定古蹟區域維護還要同步的大幅增加你們有沒有檢視一下裡面有沒有重複編列或預算性質混淆或者是名目重疊的可能性所以針對這點本席請教一下我們代理秘書長 副秘書長你們新的年度這個國定古蹟區域維護工程跟歷年有什麼樣的不同\n那第二個部分你們部分工作是不是跟消防系統改善或者是空調系統改善的範疇交疊那整體改善工程在進行為什麼還要再進行增列的維護經費那麼第三個部分是你們可不可以提供一下你們工程的一個評估報告那你們這個維護的需求評定文件跟歷年維修紀錄給本席來檢視一下針對本席以上所提的這一點好不好\n我分點來說明有關於國定古蹟的專案維護工程應該是四百一十三萬九千的對 四百多萬所以它的增幅那是因為我們是一級古蹟是個國定古蹟\n那其實照顧跟維護的古蹟他通常是要按照相關的一個文資法的一個規定是一定是依照文資法的所以本席這邊提出來就是說你們這個征服相較於去年那這樣子一個例行性的維護這個差別在哪裡\n對 有些細項我來說明一下比如說是他是專案性的要汰換老舊的空調設備因為這就是我的問題因為你們另外還有編的這個空調還有這個消防系統的改善等於是你們這邊已經編了然後但是你們這邊另外我講的那個部分國定古蹟區域的相關維護工程你們也有在增加那這個部分是怎麼個有沒有重疊的可能\n是沒有完全沒有重疊因為監察院呢是有國定古蹟還有同時國定古蹟的區域嘛範圍區域而已另外還有還有其他的那個辦公區域那不是屬於國定古蹟的範圍所以呢有關於中央空調那部分是屬於國定古蹟以外的中央空調也是要調整其實因為現在的\n對,但是本席這邊所問的是你們今年的三百萬然後增加明年到了四百一十三萬那這中間在這個國定古蹟的例行性的這個部分你們是增加了什麼樣的項目然後我另外問的是就是說消防跟空調系統的這個部分如果是您所講的辦公室的這個區塊\n那這中間的一個差別是在哪裡最重要的就是那個國定古蹟的這個部分你們增幅最主要今年跟過去的例行性你們是增加了什麼樣子的一個項目其實也是因為它的空調是老舊必須要變更等於是你在國定國定古蹟的範圍裡面你們要處理空調嗎還有相關的供電設備跟電源線路還有還是同仁這邊要不要來補充一下簡單的補充一下\n那但是最重要就是說你們可能整個工程的評估今年為什麼要這樣做那那個跟歷年來的維修紀錄也是要給本席檢視那你現在先簡單的說明一下我先簡單的跟委員報告一下剛委員所講的古蹟的一個修繕從200變300那這個部分對就114年是200 115年是300那這個部分呢它是屬於你們115年到413萬吧\n那是不是你們把相關的資料是不是檢視完然後好好的再說明一下吧國定古蹟區域它是屬於專案它不是預案執行那專案的部分國定古蹟區監察院有新大樓跟國定古蹟區那明年的413萬其實我是針對國定古蹟區西翼二樓的空調老舊空調去做一個一級的節能減碳的一個汰換\n那其實監察院這幾年都逐步在針對國定古蹟區的一個空調做分區的一個汰換那未來會汰換到新大樓所以這聽起來是例行性的所以專案它是專案不是例行是專案例行性的吧你每一年針對這個專案有去做一些處理嗎只有這幾年是這個專案然後這個空調汰換老舊空調汰換結束以後就不會有這個屬於這個專案了所以我們是把它\n好的 本席這邊的問題就是你的增幅蠻高的所以你是不是針對這個汰換今年跟去年的一個比較然後來跟本席做一下說明那最重要你是不是相關的資料先給本席可以那之後我再確認一下這個部分好不好好\n那接下來本席這邊要提到一件事情是跟這個監察院之前有一個報告那是原住民族的一個司法權益那去年8月那個監委王美玉監委有一個調查報告針對全國地檢署原住民的特約同意與別跟人數還有實際需求的嚴重失衡有列出一個報告那裡面提到\n原住民的族語有16族語和42種方言但是目前檢察署特約同意只有7種語別但是上個禮拜本席問了法務部長他說現在有8種但是基本上還是有一大半都還是沒有語別\n那沒有辦法用母語或者是如果檢查體系沒有辦法了解母語陳述後面的邏輯那整會剝奪整個他們受公平審判的一個基本權益所以本席也跟法務部這邊提出了這個補強的一個質詢\n但是基本上整個語別還是非常的確如所以這個全面檢討制度跟通盤補足語別與人力的配置的整個進展還是遠遠不足所以本席要請教您監察院是不是有持續追蹤這個調查的後續情況那麼有沒有要求行政院法務部具體的提交改善期程跟執行的成果\n本席在這邊強調依據原住民族基本法第30條的明文規定我們國家是有義務來提供足夠的族語通譯不能由執行的人員來自行判斷免除所以在司改國是會議的決議也已經要求來建立完整的原住民族司法通譯的這個制度\n今天早上的質詢我聽到幾位委員其實是針對雖然你們有一些報告但是在後面的一個執行上在過去你們會彈劾但是後面的一個追蹤這是本席現在關心的一個重點所以這個部分是不是鳳鳴林這邊有沒有一個什麼看法\n就是跟委員說明我們提出有關於那個同意的部分其實不管是第六屆還是第五屆都有相關的調查案這是有關於司法正義上面非常重要的制度那這個做法就是現在你們針對各單位目前做法的一個進度\n了解 那有關於這次的調查報告在去年提出來那王文宇委員會持續根據他的調查意見會持續追蹤 會監督我們也還沒有結案會等到得到訪問部有完整的回答我們同意了以後才會做結案的動作現在目前還沒有改善完成\n好的 那是不是可以請你們在你既然還沒有結案那是不是在這個進度的追趕上能夠去督促每一個單位請他們還是有實際的一個期程那當然本席知道中間可能還是會有一些困難\n基本上為了一個司法的公平我們知道族人常常在一些表達上還有司法人員訓練對於語言邏輯上的一個理解其實還必須要更為多元 更為寬廣所以在國事會議裡面的決議也應該要求了完整的原住民族司法的通譯制度你們的國家人權機構也應該好好的來落實人權的保障\n最重要不是只有停在那個專案報告後面的做法是非常重要所以最後本席這邊提醒司法正義一定要從當事人能夠以自己的魔慾及他的邏輯能夠被充分的理解那司法體系的理解語言的邏輯文化應該要更為普遍就是說對司法人員的這個\n對於語言文化的這個理解可能要有更進一步更寬廣跟更深度的一個訓練那請司法院務必追這樣一個進度好嗎好 謝謝好 謝謝林倩倩\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.192 --> 00:15.041\n好謝謝主席莊昭偉我們請司法院的代理副秘書長請代理秘書長代理秘書長副秘書長\n\n00:17.782 --> 00:43.597\n委員早安委員好早安王副秘書長本席今天先針對監察院內部的一個經費的這個部分來做一下跟您的討論所以我這邊要問到的是你們在115年營建工程向下有一個預算編列那麼根據第六款第一項跟第六目的第一節營建工程向下有一個房屋建築及設備費\n\n00:45.178 --> 01:08.824\n今年整個的編列增加了2668萬3千元增幅相當的明顯我再看了一下整個細項的內容其中在國定古蹟區域等相關的維護工程下114年就是今年應該是300萬元但是下一個年度你們卻增加了\n\n01:10.745 --> 01:38.604\n413萬9千元那麼增加到413萬9千元那增幅高達了37.97那如果只是單純的例行維護或古蹟保養的一個支出那麼應該是年度的常態性預算那怎麼會有這麼明顯的一個增列那另外這邊我再提醒的你們應該注意的是這個預算不是唯一涉及硬體設施的支出115年你們另外還有編列改善\n\n01:39.384 --> 01:57.364\n或興建消防系統工程3600萬元然後以及中央空調通風機監控等相關系統的改善工程103萬4000元那麼在有其他像重大改善工程以及編列預算的情況下\n\n01:58.064 --> 02:21.676\n為什麼在國定古蹟區域維護還要同步的大幅增加你們有沒有檢視一下裡面有沒有重複編列或預算性質混淆或者是名目重疊的可能性所以針對這點本席請教一下我們代理秘書長副秘書長你們新的年度這個國定古蹟區域維護工程跟歷年有什麼樣的不同\n\n02:22.950 --> 02:50.812\n那第二個部分你們部分工作是不是跟消防系統改善或者是空調系統改善的範疇交疊那整體改善工程在進行為什麼還要再進行增列的維護經費那麼第三個部分是你們可不可以提供一下你們工程的一個評估報告那你們這個維護的需求評定文件跟歷年維修紀錄給本席來檢視一下針對本席以上所提的這一點好不好\n\n02:53.351 --> 03:13.803\n我分點來說明有關於國定古蹟的專案維護工程應該是四百一十三萬九千的對四百多萬所以它的增幅那是因為我們是一級古蹟是個國定古蹟\n\n03:14.463 --> 03:29.569\n那其實照顧跟維護的古蹟他通常是要按照相關的一個文資法的一個規定是一定是依照文資法的所以本席這邊提出來就是說你們這個征服相較於去年那這樣子一個例行性的維護這個差別在哪裡\n\n03:30.949 --> 03:56.497\n對有些細項我來說明一下比如說是他是專案性的要汰換老舊的空調設備因為這就是我的問題因為你們另外還有編的這個空調還有這個消防系統的改善等於是你們這邊已經編了然後但是你們這邊另外我講的那個部分國定古蹟區域的相關維護工程你們也有在增加那這個部分是怎麼個有沒有重疊的可能\n\n03:57.437 --> 04:18.730\n是沒有完全沒有重疊因為監察院呢是有國定古蹟還有同時國定古蹟的區域嘛範圍區域而已另外還有還有其他的那個辦公區域那不是屬於國定古蹟的範圍所以呢有關於中央空調那部分是屬於國定古蹟以外的中央空調也是要調整其實因為現在的\n\n04:19.370 --> 04:37.791\n對,但是本席這邊所問的是你們今年的三百萬然後增加明年到了四百一十三萬那這中間在這個國定古蹟的例行性的這個部分你們是增加了什麼樣的項目然後我另外問的是就是說消防跟空調系統的這個部分如果是您所講的辦公室的這個區塊\n\n04:38.832 --> 05:06.871\n那這中間的一個差別是在哪裡最重要的就是那個國定古蹟的這個部分你們增幅最主要今年跟過去的例行性你們是增加了什麼樣子的一個項目其實也是因為它的空調是老舊必須要變更等於是你在國定國定古蹟的範圍裡面你們要處理空調嗎還有相關的供電設備跟電源線路還有還是同仁這邊要不要來補充一下簡單的補充一下\n\n05:08.823 --> 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