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\"謝\"}, {\"word\": \"蔡\", \"start\": 625.344, \"end\": 625.524, \"score\": 0.878}, {\"word\": \"委\", \"start\": 625.524, \"end\": 625.624, \"score\": 0.8}, {\"word\": \"員\"}, {\"word\": \"的\", \"start\": 625.624, \"end\": 625.764, \"score\": 0.99}, {\"word\": \"指\", \"start\": 625.764, \"end\": 625.784, \"score\": 0.438}, {\"word\": \"導\"}, {\"word\": \"謝\"}, {\"word\": \"謝\"}], \"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:01,261 --> 00:00:04,187\n好謝謝趙偉我們有請蔡局長來局長請好局長早蔡委員早\n\n2\n00:00:12,034 --> 00:00:36,350\n最近國際間發生多起的政治暴力事件包括先前美國川普在競選時遇刺還有上個月保守派的領袖柯克的槍擊事件還有上禮拜德國也發生新當選的市長遇刺還有厄瓜多總統的車隊也被丟石頭等等\n\n3\n00:00:38,211 --> 00:00:51,790\n類似針對政治人物的暴力攻擊事件他所襲擊威脅極端主義的行為日據升溫對全球民主國家造成相當程度的危害\n\n4\n00:00:52,390 --> 00:01:07,137\n那我想請教局長就是對於近期的國際間發生的這些政治暴力事件我們國安局是否都有掌握相關的情資那相似的事件在國內有沒有可能會發生的風險局長您怎麼評估\n\n5\n00:01:10,719 --> 00:01:31,431\n謝謝謝委員來關注我們警衛安全的問題事實上對於國際上發生這種暴力攻擊或恐怖攻擊的事件我們國安局這邊都有進行一些專案的搜報來分析相關的一個攻擊的手法跟樣態以及可能在事件發生之前是不是就有些爭吼這部分包括我們\n\n6\n00:01:32,632 --> 00:02:00,876\n國內情報處國際情報處那以及我們特勤中心都有這方面資訊的一個分享跟聯繫那第二部分是針對我們國內會不會有發生內岸的狀況那因為在相關國安局負責的是警衛援守的安全所以這部分我們一直都有一個非常嚴謹的機制來做相關援守歷齡場所之前的一個現勘還有一些安檢的一個工作那至於相關可能進出\n\n7\n00:02:01,556 --> 00:02:13,772\n的人員我們也會進行相關的身份的查證跟辨識那也不可以攜帶相關的違禁物品那委員在螢幕上有顯示說是不是有一些所謂的恐嚇的郵件這陣子在國慶期間確實有比較嚴重\n\n8\n00:02:17,336 --> 00:02:35,218\n我們大概在國慶期間收報到的有二十幾件的這種電郵恐嚇的這些郵件那包括有要針對人群來做一些相關的一個車衝或是所謂的一個威脅的一些言語那我們大概收報到這樣的一個情節都會\n\n9\n00:02:35,939 --> 00:02:57,104\n跟國安情報機關來進行通報跟分享來加強我們警衛安全的作為另外也會去進行溯源跟查找這些IP的位置以及從它的恐嚇郵件的內容來分析到是不是特定的人士來進行這樣的一個恐嚇郵件的激發的動作目前為止大部分IP位置都是從境外進來的\n\n10\n00:02:58,044 --> 00:03:02,869\n都是從京華從京華進來不是國內的這部分我們應該都掌握相關的事實情勢對沒有問題跟檢控署長我們隨時在討論這個問題\n\n11\n00:03:09,980 --> 00:03:37,771\n因為國慶期間有委員的名字被冒用他用吳思堯委員的名字發送這些恐惡的信件所以我也希望說我們不只是這個國慶典禮的類似的威脅未來在選舉造勢還是這個節慶典禮外賓來訪的這種高風險的活動舉辦的時候也都可以來做相關的預防避免相關的情勢在發生\n\n12\n00:03:40,153 --> 00:03:54,311\n我想再請教局長就是針對這個部分因為我們本身我們國內並沒有反恐的專責單位我們必須要跨單位之間來做處理那我們是否已經有一個快速應變的\n\n13\n00:03:58,474 --> 00:04:24,444\n對這應該分兩個面向來講一個部分是就政府的權責來講主要還是由行政院的國土安全辦公室來負責這方面的業務特別是針對人安反恐的部分那第二部分是剛剛跟委員報告說明的就我們的特勤維安的團隊那負責維安的對象是總統跟副總統那這部分我們有一個非常嚴謹的機制來確保總統副總統的警衛安全那至於其他的政府的\n\n14\n00:04:25,484 --> 00:04:34,812\n官員的相關的警衛安全工作那主要是由警政署在負責那這部分假如有在情資上有升高這個違安的風險我們也都會啟動相關的機制來應處\n\n15\n00:04:37,998 --> 00:05:04,528\n好那這部分我還是請我們國安局持續的注意避免類似的事情在台灣發生那在這個雙十連假的期間這個中共對台的文攻武嚇也是沒有間斷而且還更加的加劇那個我們台獨水軍就是我們的政戰局跟軍情局的部分針對這個部分我們有18名的成員被這個\n\n16\n00:05:06,168 --> 00:05:27,660\n各自被發布出來那他們是用懸賞通告這也不是中共第一次那對於這個部分我想請教局長就是今年六月對於這個中共所公布的二十多名我們支通電軍人員的這個各自相比這一次的這種懸賞通告在對象上意義有什麼不同\n\n17\n00:05:28,260 --> 00:05:48,341\n對當然可以看到它鎖定的都是我們國安情報團隊那在這部分主要還是一種所謂認知作戰的操作那透過一些公開的情資還有錯誤的情資故意的來交互混雜的運用那也針對這些所謂中共指出來的個人\n\n18\n00:05:49,021 --> 00:06:07,911\n來進行所謂的追訴起訴的動作那我覺得主要的目的有兩個部分第一個部分是來造成一種心理的一個恫嚇讓我們的國軍官兵弟兄特別是國安情報團隊的國軍官兵弟兄會有這種心理上的一個壓力達到他所謂心理戰還有輿論戰還有法律戰的一個效果\n\n19\n00:06:08,351 --> 00:06:24,537\n那第二個面向是有時候這些資訊的公佈它會抓一些比較特殊的時間節點那像最近這兩次包括政戰局還有我們軍情局的公佈它幾乎都是在我們的國慶前後這兩天來發佈那也透過這樣的一個發佈故意來引導我們國內輿情討論的一個方向\n\n20\n00:06:28,439 --> 00:06:41,937\n那也特別來凸顯說中共在對台的勤工作業有它的一個成效那我再次的提醒因為很多資料是錯誤的照片也是錯誤的所以這部分我想國防部已經有對外來做正式的說明\n\n21\n00:06:42,503 --> 00:06:57,298\n好那對於我們這個情報人員的身份的保護啦我想我們局長您認為我們目前做的足夠嗎那未來因應相關的這種手法我們會不會有相關的這個反制的這個作為\n\n22\n00:06:58,899 --> 00:07:21,337\n對那兩個部分跟委員報告那在怎麼樣來加強人員的去識別化那這部分國安局這邊是經過很多年的一個整備避免到有人員的這些情資的外洩那這部分我們也會持續的跟我們國安情報單位來進行溝通怎麼樣來移植我們的一些經驗給各單位來做參考那特別是\n\n23\n00:07:22,358 --> 00:07:42,508\n在那個人員的去識別化因為國防部的單位他有時候會有一些公開的人員的資訊包括人員的調動那這部分中共就比較容易在公開的情資來做一些收集跟比對那所以這部分我們會再來提醒我們國防部的友軍在這部分去識別化的動作怎麼樣來再進一步的強化\n\n24\n00:07:44,569 --> 00:08:11,003\n第二部分是有關於有時候國軍官兵他在保防意識還需要再進一步的加強有些國軍官兵他會在網路上有自接身份的這種狀況不小心說出自己是部隊服役的限職人員中共的網軍在這部分收集資料是非常容易的所以可能這部分也是我們後續國安情報團隊包括我們國軍來進行一些保防宣教未來的一個重點\n\n25\n00:08:11,883 --> 00:08:33,158\n好那另外是這個中共在下週就要舉辦這個四中全會那對這個部分他們主要的議題有可能是第15個這個五年的規劃還有這個會觸及到他們中共本身高層人士的相關問題甚至這個對美的貿易戰等等\n\n26\n00:08:34,119 --> 00:09:00,894\n那對於這個部分我想請教這個局長就是對於本次的中共所要舉辦的四中全會所聚焦的議題以及會議中可能會這個做出的相關重大決定喔還有相關高層人事的變動甚至現在網路上也有在這個謠傳就是說胡錦濤的這個勢力在反撲等等啦齁那對於這個部分我們國安局目前有沒有預估到什麼或掌握到相關的情勢存摘要回答\n\n27\n00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:24,750\n兩個部分一個部分是在經貿的部分因為委員剛剛提到是市中全會會討論十五五的經濟規劃那我們相信它的主要重點會放在新職生產力的部件那另外還有擴大內需以及維持貿易的開放還有增加更多的自由貿易談判在人事的部分因為目前的中央委員205名裡面有3名的缺額那他可能會進行人員的一個地補\n\n28\n00:09:25,310 --> 00:09:52,621\n那比較重要的是包括中央軍委會苗華有沒有會在這一次的四中全會來做進一步的人事的處理那另外還有像中聯部的劉建超會不會處理這是重點的人物那另外還會我們有在注意的是中共的35名的上將那目前有32名是現役上將那另外三名是中將代理上將職務的35名上將裡面的32名現役上將\n\n29\n00:09:53,841 --> 00:10:19,388\n從去年的12月到現在有16位是沒有在公開場合出現的所以我們的判斷是中共的軍方人士有在進行大規模的調查跟清洗那等於是三將32名裡面有一半以上已經有快一年的時間沒有公開樓面所以這部分我們會來看在市中全會相關人士包括政府還有黨還有軍方一些人士的佈局跟安排\n\n30\n00:10:20,458 --> 00:10:25,784\n那以上也請我們國安局持續的掌握相關的情緒我們會會好謝謝蔡委員的指導謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1261\t4187\t好 謝謝趙偉 我們有請蔡局長來 局長請好 局長早蔡委員早\n12034\t36350\t最近國際間發生多起的政治暴力事件包括先前美國川普在競選時遇刺還有上個月保守派的領袖柯克的槍擊事件還有上禮拜德國也發生新當選的市長遇刺還有厄瓜多總統的車隊也被丟石頭等等\n38211\t51790\t類似針對政治人物的暴力攻擊事件他所襲擊威脅極端主義的行為日據升溫對全球民主國家造成相當程度的危害\n52390\t67137\t那我想請教局長就是對於近期的國際間發生的這些政治暴力事件我們國安局是否都有掌握相關的情資那相似的事件在國內有沒有可能會發生的風險局長您怎麼評估\n70719\t91431\t謝謝 謝委員來關注我們警衛安全的問題事實上對於國際上發生這種暴力攻擊或恐怖攻擊的事件我們國安局這邊都有進行一些專案的搜報來分析相關的一個攻擊的手法跟樣態以及可能在事件發生之前是不是就有些爭吼這部分包括我們\n92632\t120876\t國內情報處 國際情報處那以及我們特勤中心都有這方面資訊的一個分享跟聯繫那第二部分是針對我們國內會不會有發生內岸的狀況那因為在相關國安局負責的是警衛 援守的安全所以這部分我們一直都有一個非常嚴謹的機制來做相關援守歷齡場所之前的一個現勘還有一些安檢的一個工作那至於相關可能進出\n121556\t133772\t的人員我們也會進行相關的身份的查證跟辨識那也不可以攜帶相關的違禁物品那委員在螢幕上有顯示說是不是有一些所謂的恐嚇的郵件這陣子在國慶期間確實有比較嚴重\n137336\t155218\t我們大概在國慶期間收報到的有二十幾件的這種電郵恐嚇的這些郵件那包括有要針對人群來做一些相關的一個車衝或是所謂的一個威脅的一些言語那我們大概收報到這樣的一個情節都會\n155939\t177104\t跟國安情報機關來進行通報跟分享來加強我們警衛安全的作為另外也會去進行溯源跟查找這些IP的位置以及從它的恐嚇郵件的內容來分析到是不是特定的人士來進行這樣的一個恐嚇郵件的激發的動作目前為止大部分IP位置都是從境外進來的\n178044\t182869\t都是從京華 從京華進來不是國內的這部分我們應該都掌握相關的事實情勢對 沒有問題 跟檢控署長我們隨時在討論這個問題\n189980\t217771\t因為國慶期間有委員的名字被冒用他用吳思堯委員的名字發送這些恐惡的信件所以我也希望說我們不只是這個國慶典禮的類似的威脅未來在選舉造勢還是這個節慶典禮外賓來訪的這種高風險的活動舉辦的時候也都可以來做相關的預防避免相關的情勢在發生\n220153\t234311\t我想再請教局長就是針對這個部分因為我們本身我們國內並沒有反恐的專責單位我們必須要跨單位之間來做處理那我們是否已經有一個快速應變的\n238474\t264444\t對 這應該分兩個面向來講一個部分是就政府的權責來講主要還是由行政院的國土安全辦公室來負責這方面的業務特別是針對人安反恐的部分那第二部分是剛剛跟委員報告說明的就我們的特勤維安的團隊那負責維安的對象是總統跟副總統那這部分我們有一個非常嚴謹的機制來確保總統副總統的警衛安全那至於其他的政府的\n265484\t274812\t官員的相關的警衛安全工作那主要是由警政署在負責那這部分假如有在情資上有升高這個違安的風險我們也都會啟動相關的機制來應處\n277998\t304528\t好那這部分我還是請我們國安局持續的注意避免類似的事情在台灣發生那在這個雙十連假的期間這個中共對台的文攻武嚇也是沒有間斷而且還更加的加劇那個我們台獨水軍就是我們的政戰局跟軍情局的部分針對這個部分我們有18名的成員被這個\n306168\t327660\t各自被發布出來那他們是用懸賞通告這也不是中共第一次那對於這個部分我想請教局長就是今年六月對於這個中共所公布的二十多名我們支通電軍人員的這個各自相比這一次的這種懸賞通告在對象上意義有什麼不同\n328260\t348341\t對 當然可以看到它鎖定的都是我們國安情報團隊那在這部分主要還是一種所謂認知作戰的操作那透過一些公開的情資還有錯誤的情資故意的來交互混雜的運用那也針對這些所謂中共指出來的個人\n349021\t367911\t來進行所謂的追訴 起訴的動作那我覺得主要的目的有兩個部分第一個部分是來造成一種心理的一個恫嚇讓我們的國軍官兵弟兄特別是國安情報團隊的國軍官兵弟兄會有這種心理上的一個壓力達到他所謂心理戰還有輿論戰 還有法律戰的一個效果\n368351\t384537\t那第二個面向是有時候這些資訊的公佈它會抓一些比較特殊的時間節點那像最近這兩次包括政戰局還有我們軍情局的公佈它幾乎都是在我們的國慶前後這兩天來發佈那也透過這樣的一個發佈故意來引導我們國內輿情討論的一個方向\n388439\t401937\t那也特別來凸顯說中共在對台的勤工作業有它的一個成效那我再次的提醒因為很多資料是錯誤的照片也是錯誤的所以這部分我想國防部已經有對外來做正式的說明\n402503\t417298\t好 那對於我們這個情報人員的身份的保護啦我想我們 局長您認為我們目前做的足夠嗎那未來因應相關的這種手法我們會不會有相關的這個反制的這個作為\n418899\t441337\t對 那兩個部分跟委員報告那在怎麼樣來加強人員的去識別化那這部分 國安局這邊是經過很多年的一個整備避免到有人員的這些情資的外洩那這部分我們也會持續的跟我們國安情報單位來進行溝通怎麼樣來移植我們的一些經驗給各單位來做參考那特別是\n442358\t462508\t在那個人員的去識別化因為國防部的單位他有時候會有一些公開的人員的資訊包括人員的調動那這部分中共就比較容易在公開的情資來做一些收集跟比對那所以這部分我們會再來提醒我們國防部的友軍在這部分去識別化的動作怎麼樣來再進一步的強化\n464569\t491003\t第二部分是有關於有時候國軍官兵他在保防意識還需要再進一步的加強有些國軍官兵他會在網路上有自接身份的這種狀況不小心說出自己是部隊服役的限職人員中共的網軍在這部分收集資料是非常容易的所以可能這部分也是我們後續國安情報團隊包括我們國軍來進行一些保防宣教未來的一個重點\n491883\t513158\t好 那另外是這個中共在下週就要舉辦這個四中全會那對這個部分他們主要的議題有可能是第15個這個五年的規劃還有這個會觸及到他們中共本身高層人士的相關問題甚至這個對美的貿易戰等等\n514119\t540894\t那對於這個部分我想請教這個局長就是對於本次的中共所要舉辦的四中全會所聚焦的議題以及會議中可能會這個做出的相關重大決定喔還有相關高層人事的變動甚至現在網路上也有在這個謠傳就是說胡錦濤的這個勢力在反撲等等啦齁那對於這個部分我們國安局目前有沒有預估到什麼或掌握到相關的情勢 存摘要回答\n542160\t564750\t兩個部分 一個部分是在經貿的部分因為委員剛剛提到是市中全會會討論十五五的經濟規劃那我們相信它的主要重點會放在新職生產力的部件那另外還有擴大內需以及維持貿易的開放還有增加更多的自由貿易談判在人事的部分因為目前的中央委員205名裡面有3名的缺額那他可能會進行人員的一個地補\n565310\t592621\t那比較重要的是包括中央軍委會苗華有沒有會在這一次的四中全會來做進一步的人事的處理那另外還有像中聯部的劉建超會不會處理這是重點的人物那另外還會我們有在注意的是中共的35名的上將那目前有32名是現役上將那另外三名是中將代理上將職務的35名上將裡面的32名現役上將\n593841\t619388\t從去年的12月到現在有16位是沒有在公開場合出現的所以我們的判斷是中共的軍方人士有在進行大規模的調查跟清洗那等於是三將32名裡面有一半以上已經有快一年的時間沒有公開樓面所以這部分我們會來看在市中全會相關人士包括政府還有黨還有軍方一些人士的佈局跟安排\n620458\t625784\t那以上也請我們國安局持續的掌握相關的情緒我們會 會好 謝謝蔡委員的指導 謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝趙偉 我們有請蔡局長來 局長請好 局長早蔡委員早\n最近國際間發生多起的政治暴力事件包括先前美國川普在競選時遇刺還有上個月保守派的領袖柯克的槍擊事件還有上禮拜德國也發生新當選的市長遇刺還有厄瓜多總統的車隊也被丟石頭等等\n類似針對政治人物的暴力攻擊事件他所襲擊威脅極端主義的行為日據升溫對全球民主國家造成相當程度的危害\n那我想請教局長就是對於近期的國際間發生的這些政治暴力事件我們國安局是否都有掌握相關的情資那相似的事件在國內有沒有可能會發生的風險局長您怎麼評估\n謝謝 謝委員來關注我們警衛安全的問題事實上對於國際上發生這種暴力攻擊或恐怖攻擊的事件我們國安局這邊都有進行一些專案的搜報來分析相關的一個攻擊的手法跟樣態以及可能在事件發生之前是不是就有些爭吼這部分包括我們\n國內情報處 國際情報處那以及我們特勤中心都有這方面資訊的一個分享跟聯繫那第二部分是針對我們國內會不會有發生內岸的狀況那因為在相關國安局負責的是警衛 援守的安全所以這部分我們一直都有一個非常嚴謹的機制來做相關援守歷齡場所之前的一個現勘還有一些安檢的一個工作那至於相關可能進出\n的人員我們也會進行相關的身份的查證跟辨識那也不可以攜帶相關的違禁物品那委員在螢幕上有顯示說是不是有一些所謂的恐嚇的郵件這陣子在國慶期間確實有比較嚴重\n我們大概在國慶期間收報到的有二十幾件的這種電郵恐嚇的這些郵件那包括有要針對人群來做一些相關的一個車衝或是所謂的一個威脅的一些言語那我們大概收報到這樣的一個情節都會\n跟國安情報機關來進行通報跟分享來加強我們警衛安全的作為另外也會去進行溯源跟查找這些IP的位置以及從它的恐嚇郵件的內容來分析到是不是特定的人士來進行這樣的一個恐嚇郵件的激發的動作目前為止大部分IP位置都是從境外進來的\n都是從京華 從京華進來不是國內的這部分我們應該都掌握相關的事實情勢對 沒有問題 跟檢控署長我們隨時在討論這個問題\n因為國慶期間有委員的名字被冒用他用吳思堯委員的名字發送這些恐惡的信件所以我也希望說我們不只是這個國慶典禮的類似的威脅未來在選舉造勢還是這個節慶典禮外賓來訪的這種高風險的活動舉辦的時候也都可以來做相關的預防避免相關的情勢在發生\n我想再請教局長就是針對這個部分因為我們本身我們國內並沒有反恐的專責單位我們必須要跨單位之間來做處理那我們是否已經有一個快速應變的\n對 這應該分兩個面向來講一個部分是就政府的權責來講主要還是由行政院的國土安全辦公室來負責這方面的業務特別是針對人安反恐的部分那第二部分是剛剛跟委員報告說明的就我們的特勤維安的團隊那負責維安的對象是總統跟副總統那這部分我們有一個非常嚴謹的機制來確保總統副總統的警衛安全那至於其他的政府的\n官員的相關的警衛安全工作那主要是由警政署在負責那這部分假如有在情資上有升高這個違安的風險我們也都會啟動相關的機制來應處\n好那這部分我還是請我們國安局持續的注意避免類似的事情在台灣發生那在這個雙十連假的期間這個中共對台的文攻武嚇也是沒有間斷而且還更加的加劇那個我們台獨水軍就是我們的政戰局跟軍情局的部分針對這個部分我們有18名的成員被這個\n各自被發布出來那他們是用懸賞通告這也不是中共第一次那對於這個部分我想請教局長就是今年六月對於這個中共所公布的二十多名我們支通電軍人員的這個各自相比這一次的這種懸賞通告在對象上意義有什麼不同\n對 當然可以看到它鎖定的都是我們國安情報團隊那在這部分主要還是一種所謂認知作戰的操作那透過一些公開的情資還有錯誤的情資故意的來交互混雜的運用那也針對這些所謂中共指出來的個人\n來進行所謂的追訴 起訴的動作那我覺得主要的目的有兩個部分第一個部分是來造成一種心理的一個恫嚇讓我們的國軍官兵弟兄特別是國安情報團隊的國軍官兵弟兄會有這種心理上的一個壓力達到他所謂心理戰還有輿論戰 還有法律戰的一個效果\n那第二個面向是有時候這些資訊的公佈它會抓一些比較特殊的時間節點那像最近這兩次包括政戰局還有我們軍情局的公佈它幾乎都是在我們的國慶前後這兩天來發佈那也透過這樣的一個發佈故意來引導我們國內輿情討論的一個方向\n那也特別來凸顯說中共在對台的勤工作業有它的一個成效那我再次的提醒因為很多資料是錯誤的照片也是錯誤的所以這部分我想國防部已經有對外來做正式的說明\n好 那對於我們這個情報人員的身份的保護啦我想我們 局長您認為我們目前做的足夠嗎那未來因應相關的這種手法我們會不會有相關的這個反制的這個作為\n對 那兩個部分跟委員報告那在怎麼樣來加強人員的去識別化那這部分 國安局這邊是經過很多年的一個整備避免到有人員的這些情資的外洩那這部分我們也會持續的跟我們國安情報單位來進行溝通怎麼樣來移植我們的一些經驗給各單位來做參考那特別是\n在那個人員的去識別化因為國防部的單位他有時候會有一些公開的人員的資訊包括人員的調動那這部分中共就比較容易在公開的情資來做一些收集跟比對那所以這部分我們會再來提醒我們國防部的友軍在這部分去識別化的動作怎麼樣來再進一步的強化\n第二部分是有關於有時候國軍官兵他在保防意識還需要再進一步的加強有些國軍官兵他會在網路上有自接身份的這種狀況不小心說出自己是部隊服役的限職人員中共的網軍在這部分收集資料是非常容易的所以可能這部分也是我們後續國安情報團隊包括我們國軍來進行一些保防宣教未來的一個重點\n好 那另外是這個中共在下週就要舉辦這個四中全會那對這個部分他們主要的議題有可能是第15個這個五年的規劃還有這個會觸及到他們中共本身高層人士的相關問題甚至這個對美的貿易戰等等\n那對於這個部分我想請教這個局長就是對於本次的中共所要舉辦的四中全會所聚焦的議題以及會議中可能會這個做出的相關重大決定喔還有相關高層人事的變動甚至現在網路上也有在這個謠傳就是說胡錦濤的這個勢力在反撲等等啦齁那對於這個部分我們國安局目前有沒有預估到什麼或掌握到相關的情勢 存摘要回答\n兩個部分 一個部分是在經貿的部分因為委員剛剛提到是市中全會會討論十五五的經濟規劃那我們相信它的主要重點會放在新職生產力的部件那另外還有擴大內需以及維持貿易的開放還有增加更多的自由貿易談判在人事的部分因為目前的中央委員205名裡面有3名的缺額那他可能會進行人員的一個地補\n那比較重要的是包括中央軍委會苗華有沒有會在這一次的四中全會來做進一步的人事的處理那另外還有像中聯部的劉建超會不會處理這是重點的人物那另外還會我們有在注意的是中共的35名的上將那目前有32名是現役上將那另外三名是中將代理上將職務的35名上將裡面的32名現役上將\n從去年的12月到現在有16位是沒有在公開場合出現的所以我們的判斷是中共的軍方人士有在進行大規模的調查跟清洗那等於是三將32名裡面有一半以上已經有快一年的時間沒有公開樓面所以這部分我們會來看在市中全會相關人士包括政府還有黨還有軍方一些人士的佈局跟安排\n那以上也請我們國安局持續的掌握相關的情緒我們會 會好 謝謝蔡委員的指導 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.261 --> 00:04.187\n好謝謝趙偉我們有請蔡局長來局長請好局長早蔡委員早\n\n00:12.034 --> 00:36.350\n最近國際間發生多起的政治暴力事件包括先前美國川普在競選時遇刺還有上個月保守派的領袖柯克的槍擊事件還有上禮拜德國也發生新當選的市長遇刺還有厄瓜多總統的車隊也被丟石頭等等\n\n00:38.211 --> 00:51.790\n類似針對政治人物的暴力攻擊事件他所襲擊威脅極端主義的行為日據升溫對全球民主國家造成相當程度的危害\n\n00:52.390 --> 01:07.137\n那我想請教局長就是對於近期的國際間發生的這些政治暴力事件我們國安局是否都有掌握相關的情資那相似的事件在國內有沒有可能會發生的風險局長您怎麼評估\n\n01:10.719 --> 01:31.431\n謝謝謝委員來關注我們警衛安全的問題事實上對於國際上發生這種暴力攻擊或恐怖攻擊的事件我們國安局這邊都有進行一些專案的搜報來分析相關的一個攻擊的手法跟樣態以及可能在事件發生之前是不是就有些爭吼這部分包括我們\n\n01:32.632 --> 02:00.876\n國內情報處國際情報處那以及我們特勤中心都有這方面資訊的一個分享跟聯繫那第二部分是針對我們國內會不會有發生內岸的狀況那因為在相關國安局負責的是警衛援守的安全所以這部分我們一直都有一個非常嚴謹的機制來做相關援守歷齡場所之前的一個現勘還有一些安檢的一個工作那至於相關可能進出\n\n02:01.556 --> 02:13.772\n的人員我們也會進行相關的身份的查證跟辨識那也不可以攜帶相關的違禁物品那委員在螢幕上有顯示說是不是有一些所謂的恐嚇的郵件這陣子在國慶期間確實有比較嚴重\n\n02:17.336 --> 02:35.218\n我們大概在國慶期間收報到的有二十幾件的這種電郵恐嚇的這些郵件那包括有要針對人群來做一些相關的一個車衝或是所謂的一個威脅的一些言語那我們大概收報到這樣的一個情節都會\n\n02:35.939 --> 02:57.104\n跟國安情報機關來進行通報跟分享來加強我們警衛安全的作為另外也會去進行溯源跟查找這些IP的位置以及從它的恐嚇郵件的內容來分析到是不是特定的人士來進行這樣的一個恐嚇郵件的激發的動作目前為止大部分IP位置都是從境外進來的\n\n02:58.044 --> 03:02.869\n都是從京華從京華進來不是國內的這部分我們應該都掌握相關的事實情勢對沒有問題跟檢控署長我們隨時在討論這個問題\n\n03:09.980 --> 03:37.771\n因為國慶期間有委員的名字被冒用他用吳思堯委員的名字發送這些恐惡的信件所以我也希望說我們不只是這個國慶典禮的類似的威脅未來在選舉造勢還是這個節慶典禮外賓來訪的這種高風險的活動舉辦的時候也都可以來做相關的預防避免相關的情勢在發生\n\n03:40.153 --> 03:54.311\n我想再請教局長就是針對這個部分因為我們本身我們國內並沒有反恐的專責單位我們必須要跨單位之間來做處理那我們是否已經有一個快速應變的\n\n03:58.474 --> 04:24.444\n對這應該分兩個面向來講一個部分是就政府的權責來講主要還是由行政院的國土安全辦公室來負責這方面的業務特別是針對人安反恐的部分那第二部分是剛剛跟委員報告說明的就我們的特勤維安的團隊那負責維安的對象是總統跟副總統那這部分我們有一個非常嚴謹的機制來確保總統副總統的警衛安全那至於其他的政府的\n\n04:25.484 --> 04:34.812\n官員的相關的警衛安全工作那主要是由警政署在負責那這部分假如有在情資上有升高這個違安的風險我們也都會啟動相關的機制來應處\n\n04:37.998 --> 05:04.528\n好那這部分我還是請我們國安局持續的注意避免類似的事情在台灣發生那在這個雙十連假的期間這個中共對台的文攻武嚇也是沒有間斷而且還更加的加劇那個我們台獨水軍就是我們的政戰局跟軍情局的部分針對這個部分我們有18名的成員被這個\n\n05:06.168 --> 05:27.660\n各自被發布出來那他們是用懸賞通告這也不是中共第一次那對於這個部分我想請教局長就是今年六月對於這個中共所公布的二十多名我們支通電軍人員的這個各自相比這一次的這種懸賞通告在對象上意義有什麼不同\n\n05:28.260 --> 05:48.341\n對當然可以看到它鎖定的都是我們國安情報團隊那在這部分主要還是一種所謂認知作戰的操作那透過一些公開的情資還有錯誤的情資故意的來交互混雜的運用那也針對這些所謂中共指出來的個人\n\n05:49.021 --> 06:07.911\n來進行所謂的追訴起訴的動作那我覺得主要的目的有兩個部分第一個部分是來造成一種心理的一個恫嚇讓我們的國軍官兵弟兄特別是國安情報團隊的國軍官兵弟兄會有這種心理上的一個壓力達到他所謂心理戰還有輿論戰還有法律戰的一個效果\n\n06:08.351 --> 06:24.537\n那第二個面向是有時候這些資訊的公佈它會抓一些比較特殊的時間節點那像最近這兩次包括政戰局還有我們軍情局的公佈它幾乎都是在我們的國慶前後這兩天來發佈那也透過這樣的一個發佈故意來引導我們國內輿情討論的一個方向\n\n06:28.439 --> 06:41.937\n那也特別來凸顯說中共在對台的勤工作業有它的一個成效那我再次的提醒因為很多資料是錯誤的照片也是錯誤的所以這部分我想國防部已經有對外來做正式的說明\n\n06:42.503 --> 06:57.298\n好那對於我們這個情報人員的身份的保護啦我想我們局長您認為我們目前做的足夠嗎那未來因應相關的這種手法我們會不會有相關的這個反制的這個作為\n\n06:58.899 --> 07:21.337\n對那兩個部分跟委員報告那在怎麼樣來加強人員的去識別化那這部分國安局這邊是經過很多年的一個整備避免到有人員的這些情資的外洩那這部分我們也會持續的跟我們國安情報單位來進行溝通怎麼樣來移植我們的一些經驗給各單位來做參考那特別是\n\n07:22.358 --> 07:42.508\n在那個人員的去識別化因為國防部的單位他有時候會有一些公開的人員的資訊包括人員的調動那這部分中共就比較容易在公開的情資來做一些收集跟比對那所以這部分我們會再來提醒我們國防部的友軍在這部分去識別化的動作怎麼樣來再進一步的強化\n\n07:44.569 --> 08:11.003\n第二部分是有關於有時候國軍官兵他在保防意識還需要再進一步的加強有些國軍官兵他會在網路上有自接身份的這種狀況不小心說出自己是部隊服役的限職人員中共的網軍在這部分收集資料是非常容易的所以可能這部分也是我們後續國安情報團隊包括我們國軍來進行一些保防宣教未來的一個重點\n\n08:11.883 --> 08:33.158\n好那另外是這個中共在下週就要舉辦這個四中全會那對這個部分他們主要的議題有可能是第15個這個五年的規劃還有這個會觸及到他們中共本身高層人士的相關問題甚至這個對美的貿易戰等等\n\n08:34.119 --> 09:00.894\n那對於這個部分我想請教這個局長就是對於本次的中共所要舉辦的四中全會所聚焦的議題以及會議中可能會這個做出的相關重大決定喔還有相關高層人事的變動甚至現在網路上也有在這個謠傳就是說胡錦濤的這個勢力在反撲等等啦齁那對於這個部分我們國安局目前有沒有預估到什麼或掌握到相關的情勢存摘要回答\n\n09:02.160 --> 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