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00:02:49,389\n部長我想這個海底電纜的問題我想也不是只有速發部的問題我也在跟交通部我們航港局也提過很多次尤其針對現在的所謂的一個權益論的問題尤其在我們這個沿海的部分他們有些掛了一個中國或是香港公司的一個國籍甚至用這個\n\n9\n00:02:50,590 --> 00:03:12,798\n非洲或其他的一個國家的一個偽裝我想這個是一個用一個灰色的一個行動的一個模式其實對我們這個整個國家的通訊安全跟國安的問題是一個很大的一個潛在的一個威脅我想我們未來必須要跨部會來做這樣的一個監控跟一個處理這個部分有沒有跟交通部有做一個聯繫\n\n10\n00:03:13,740 --> 00:03:38,746\n是我們一直有跟交通部以及海委會等做聯繫因為國際海欄事實上比較麻煩一些因為國際海欄的擁有者跟經營者通常是一些國際的公司並不是台灣的公司而且譬如說上次我們講說海欄有一些故障的問題其實斷網的那個是並不是發生在台灣跟菲律賓之間而是在菲律賓到新加坡之間\n\n11\n00:03:39,446 --> 00:04:05,286\n那台湾因为有很多的游戏的使用者那些玩游戏的人他用的那些游戏他的伺服器在新加坡所以当菲律宾到新加坡中间这段海岸发生故障的时候虽然他网路还会通这个会照到其他的国家因为网际网路的特性他会自动找寻一条路径连到新加坡但是连网的速度就变慢了\n\n12\n00:04:05,986 --> 00:04:23,982\n所以像這種我現在講這件事情就是說這個事情其實是相當複雜而且是相當國際化那我們不單單需要跟台灣的交通部以及海委會一起合作我們還必須跟國際上其他的國家尤其是友好的民主國家我們必須一起合作這個機制有建立了嗎\n\n13\n00:04:25,633 --> 00:04:38,846\n是報告委員確實如此我們其實跟有一些友好國家常常在他們的建議機關裡在談這件事情不管是歐洲或是美國日本大家都在談這件事情那這件事情其實是一個國際上的議題而且國際上也非常重視\n\n14\n00:04:40,765 --> 00:05:00,874\n那我想剛剛陳榮部長講的其實我們服務部應該也要組著建立一個全國通信任性的一個演練的一個機制所以是因應到這樣的一個問題危機發生的時候用最快的速度去做處理甚至在國際上也要做一個國際性的一個交流的一個隨時一個掌控的一個機制部長這部分應該沒有問題沒有問題\n\n15\n00:05:02,435 --> 00:05:26,341\n我們現在就來做我們會努力好謝謝那剛剛部長有提到這個零三任之後的四大主張包含產業資安打債跟數位政府那但是我記得我一直在從去年一直到委員會的時候我比較擔心你們的這個人力的問題是那到目前編制跟我們的縣議員人力大概有落差多少我們抱歉我們可不可以請那個人事處處長說明好嗎\n\n16\n00:05:35,694 --> 00:05:54,514\n跟委員報告我們部裡面的那個部分現在到今年9月30大概那個道指的那個原額比例大概83.39%以上報告現在編制跟縣委缺額多少人缺額\n\n17\n00:05:58,447 --> 00:06:25,224\n以本部的部分缺額的部分是47人47人部長我想剛剛我們知道你們有很多的事情要做但是沒有人做不了事情沒錯完全同意尤其你們又是中央的主管機關我們又有地方政府有縣市政府又有鄉鎮公所更有中央派出在地方很多的相對的一些機關他們的資安人力更是我們擔心的一個問題\n\n18\n00:06:26,072 --> 00:06:53,007\n沒錯我們掌握到的資料是全國的政府機關的那個資安人力的編制應該是大約1500人但是實際上只有1300人左右我們的缺額大約有200人那為什麼會造成這種狀況是因為民間資安產業開出的薪水坦白講是比我們政府要高很多那我們這基本上我們政府是從三方面來改善這個狀況第一個是我們想辦法提高我們這個在政府的不管是資安人員\n\n19\n00:06:53,707 --> 00:07:10,699\n或者是專業的資訊人員的薪資我們想辦法修改各種法令調整做法提高他們的薪資另外一個我們就是攬財我們現在也在高考的裡面加上資安人員人才的\n\n20\n00:07:15,356 --> 00:07:30,567\n另外就是希望從外面能找到更多的人才另外就是育才育才的意思就是說我們鼓勵現有的公務人員他去進行進修我們提供各種課程希望他能轉職成資安方面的人才\n\n21\n00:07:31,428 --> 00:08:00,301\n不然恐怕還是必須要有更多的幼嬰啊是啊你的薪水輸給人家的民間輸給人家一個月的薪水搞不好就是你們一年的薪水不一定啊那所以面對我們台灣面對這樣一個中國大陸的威脅還有駭客攻擊這麼頻繁我們真的要做好這個人才的準備啊那尤其這個無孔不入的攻擊的部分不會只有鎖定中央政府嗎不然剛剛蘇院委員講的民間的產業不然我們看到很多的一些機關的防護上\n\n22\n00:08:01,061 --> 00:08:24,024\n不堪一擊這我們很擔心是因為人才實在太稀缺了那從另外一方面來講我們很多政府的人才被挖角到民間企業所以這個民間的資安廠商他事實上有更好的能量所以在某方面來講我們也覺得說樂觀其成那我們希望由民間的這些資安產業多幫我們政府來守護台灣政府的資安以及民間產業的資安\n\n23\n00:08:25,345 --> 00:08:43,998\n部長那最後一個我還是要幫我們這個我們的屏東的鄉親來請命是這個我們現在這個這個通訊的部分大家都號稱這個5G的涵蓋率97%是偏鄉有95%但事實上麻煩部長到屏東來走看看連4G都沒有3G都沒有一點個有訊號真的很不好\n\n24\n00:08:44,578 --> 00:09:03,096\n这我也已经跟我们中澳电信的董事长也反映过这个问题那当然目前你们在属于评估一个覆盖率的时候我想应该也要针对上网的品质跟所谓的一个通讯的一个品质做一个基准的处理啦不能只是账面上的97%啦根本都失真了啦\n\n25\n00:09:03,416 --> 00:09:30,191\n是本來我們的預算被刪除以後我們就做了這種監測的就是說就如同委員講的一定要到現場去實測說這個到底覆蓋率到底好不好那通訊品質怎麼樣那我們現在很感謝那個立法院給我們追加預算我們有這個追加預算以後我們就會去進行這個場地的實測確定說這個訊號不但有而且這個品質要好那有沒有受到預算影響這個我們這個5G基地台的建置部分有沒有今年會持續進行嗎會持續進行\n\n26\n00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:54,515\n我想因為這個5G的費用我們很多鄉親也在反映這個5G吃到飽要花1399但是花那麼多錢沒有這樣的一個服務品質那4G的比4G這個599跟699翻倍那問題是對我們來講我們一定要趕快去針對尤其偏鄉來講尤其我們在救難救災的時候\n\n27\n00:09:55,637 --> 00:10:06,341\n通訊不通是要怎麼救災這很大的一個問題啦所以想到未來整個這個訊號的建置機器來建置還是要請數位部來加強好不好好謝謝我們會努力謝謝委員的勉勵\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4141\t6724\t謝主席有請林部長好來林部長請居委員長\n14312\t38525\t部長早安 部長我想這個台灣我們這個在國際的這個通訊上面 是 海嵐是一個很重要的一個通訊的一個管道那因為這兩三年以來我們也發現很多起了一個海嵐遭到惡意破壞的一個狀況 是 那甚至我們現在在建置的一些海嵐的部分也有面臨一些很大的一個問題是 部長那我想我們最近發現這個今年\n40486\t66781\t我們通往香港的這個EAC1號海欄在8月22號發生部分的一個斷線通往東南亞的一個EAC2號的海底電纜在9月1號也發生斷線那我想這個對於整個我們這個對外的國際的這個網絡已經不只是一個通訊的問題甚至造成一個國安的一個很大的一個防護的一個危機那根據我們現在目前海欄地圖的網站我們24條裡面已經有9條發生斷裂\n70023\t85606\t那臺灣平均這個三年裡面 一年平均有七八條斷纜事件 那甚至這個最離譜的我們中國一艘全一輪 鴻泰五十八號還刻意勾斷了我們這個台澎三號的電纜\n86407\t109088\t後來船長還被判刑了這個三年那我想這是一個我們也這個很要求我們的我們相關的執法單位要這個正式這樣的一個問題那針對這樣的一個狀況那我想因為剛剛你的報告裡面有特別提到我們台馬4號跟台金棚這兩個部分是明年6月要完工那未來會不會納入我們一個國安等級的一個風險評估會是\n112131\t138657\t被納入到國家冠軍技術設施裡頭現在所有的國內海欄跟國際海欄都已經納入那現在只要它新建的海欄完成以後我們都會納入 是也跟委員補充報告一下就是說之前網傳說台灣有9條海欄同時斷掉事實上那並不是真實的狀況那我們現在台灣對外的14條國際海欄裡面有3條有故障的狀況但是應該會在最近幾個月\n140978\t147022\t我們都在掌握狀況 而且我們把資訊也充分接入在本部的官網中也充分接入 目前國際有兩條 一條是國內的\n150849\t169389\t部長我想這個海底電纜的問題我想也不是只有速發部的問題我也在跟交通部我們航港局也提過很多次尤其針對現在的所謂的一個權益論的問題尤其在我們這個沿海的部分他們有些掛了一個中國或是香港公司的一個國籍甚至用這個\n170590\t192798\t非洲或其他的一個國家的一個偽裝我想這個是一個用一個灰色的一個行動的一個模式其實對我們這個整個國家的通訊安全跟國安的問題是一個很大的一個潛在的一個威脅我想我們未來必須要跨部會來做這樣的一個監控跟一個處理這個部分有沒有跟交通部有做一個聯繫\n193740\t218746\t是 我們一直有跟交通部以及海委會等做聯繫因為國際海欄事實上比較麻煩一些因為國際海欄的擁有者跟經營者通常是一些國際的公司並不是台灣的公司而且譬如說上次我們講說海欄有一些故障的問題其實斷網的那個是並不是發生在台灣跟菲律賓之間而是在菲律賓到新加坡之間\n219446\t245286\t那台湾因为有很多的游戏的使用者那些玩游戏的人他用的那些游戏他的伺服器在新加坡所以当菲律宾到新加坡中间这段海岸发生故障的时候虽然他网路还会通这个会照到其他的国家因为网际网路的特性他会自动找寻一条路径连到新加坡但是连网的速度就变慢了\n245986\t263982\t所以像這種我現在講這件事情就是說這個事情其實是相當複雜而且是相當國際化那我們不單單需要跟台灣的交通部以及海委會一起合作我們還必須跟國際上其他的國家尤其是友好的民主國家我們必須一起合作這個機制有建立了嗎\n265633\t278846\t是 報告委員確實如此我們其實跟有一些友好國家常常在他們的建議機關裡在談這件事情不管是歐洲或是美國 日本大家都在談這件事情那這件事情其實是一個國際上的議題而且國際上也非常重視\n280765\t300874\t那我想剛剛陳榮部長講的其實我們服務部應該也要組著建立一個全國通信任性的一個演練的一個機制所以是因應到這樣的一個問題危機發生的時候用最快的速度去做處理甚至在國際上也要做一個國際性的一個交流的一個隨時一個掌控的一個機制部長這部分應該沒有問題沒有問題\n302435\t326341\t我們現在就來做我們會努力好謝謝那剛剛部長有提到這個零三任之後的四大主張包含產業資安打債跟數位政府那但是我記得我一直在從去年一直到委員會的時候我比較擔心你們的這個人力的問題是那到目前編制跟我們的縣議員人力大概有落差多少我們抱歉我們可不可以請那個人事處處長說明好嗎\n335694\t354514\t跟委員報告我們部裡面的那個部分現在到今年9月30大概那個道指的那個原額比例大概83.39%以上報告現在編制跟縣委缺額多少人缺額\n358447\t385224\t以本部的部分缺額的部分是47人47人部長我想剛剛我們知道你們有很多的事情要做但是沒有人做不了事情沒錯 完全同意尤其你們又是中央的主管機關我們又有地方政府有縣市政府又有鄉鎮公所更有中央派出在地方很多的相對的一些機關他們的資安人力更是我們擔心的一個問題\n386072\t413007\t沒錯 我們掌握到的資料是全國的政府機關的那個資安人力的編制應該是大約1500人但是實際上只有1300人左右我們的缺額大約有200人那為什麼會造成這種狀況是因為民間資安產業開出的薪水坦白講是比我們政府要高很多那我們這基本上我們政府是從三方面來改善這個狀況第一個是我們想辦法提高我們這個在政府的不管是資安人員\n413707\t430699\t或者是專業的資訊人員的薪資我們想辦法修改各種法令 調整做法提高他們的薪資另外一個我們就是攬財我們現在也在高考的裡面加上資安人員人才的\n435356\t450567\t另外就是希望從外面能找到更多的人才另外就是育才育才的意思就是說我們鼓勵現有的公務人員他去進行進修我們提供各種課程希望他能轉職成資安方面的人才\n451428\t480301\t不然恐怕還是必須要有更多的幼嬰啊 是啊你的薪水輸給人家的民間輸給人家一個月的薪水搞不好就是你們一年的薪水不一定啊那所以面對我們台灣面對這樣一個中國大陸的威脅還有駭客攻擊這麼頻繁我們真的要做好這個人才的準備啊那尤其這個無孔不入的攻擊的部分不會只有鎖定中央政府嗎不然剛剛蘇院委員講的民間的產業不然我們看到很多的一些機關的防護上\n481061\t504024\t不堪一擊 這我們很擔心是 因為人才實在太稀缺了那從另外一方面來講我們很多政府的人才被挖角到民間企業所以這個民間的資安廠商他事實上有更好的能量所以在某方面來講我們也覺得說樂觀其成那我們希望由民間的這些資安產業多幫我們政府來守護台灣政府的資安以及民間產業的資安\n505345\t523998\t部長那最後一個我還是要幫我們這個我們的屏東的鄉親來請命是這個我們現在這個這個通訊的部分大家都號稱這個5G的涵蓋率97%是偏鄉有95%但事實上麻煩部長到屏東來走看看連4G都沒有 3G都沒有一點個有訊號真的很不好\n524578\t543096\t这我也已经跟我们中澳电信的董事长也反映过这个问题那当然目前你们在属于评估一个覆盖率的时候我想应该也要针对上网的品质跟所谓的一个通讯的一个品质做一个基准的处理啦不能只是账面上的97%啦根本都失真了啦\n543416\t570191\t是本來我們的預算被刪除以後我們就做了這種監測的就是說就如同委員講的一定要到現場去實測說這個到底覆蓋率到底好不好那通訊品質怎麼樣那我們現在很感謝那個立法院給我們追加預算我們有這個追加預算以後我們就會去進行這個場地的實測確定說這個訊號不但有而且這個品質要好那有沒有受到預算影響這個我們這個5G基地台的建置部分有沒有今年會持續進行嗎會持續進行\n572080\t594515\t我想因為這個5G的費用我們很多鄉親也在反映這個5G吃到飽要花1399但是花那麼多錢沒有這樣的一個服務品質那4G的比4G這個599跟699翻倍那問題是對我們來講我們一定要趕快去針對尤其偏鄉來講尤其我們在救難救災的時候\n595637\t606341\t通訊不通是要怎麼救災 這很大的一個問題啦所以想到未來整個這個訊號的建置 機器來建置還是要請數位部來加強好不好好謝謝 我們會努力 謝謝委員的勉勵\n","txt":"謝主席有請林部長好來林部長請居委員長\n部長早安 部長我想這個台灣我們這個在國際的這個通訊上面 是 海嵐是一個很重要的一個通訊的一個管道那因為這兩三年以來我們也發現很多起了一個海嵐遭到惡意破壞的一個狀況 是 那甚至我們現在在建置的一些海嵐的部分也有面臨一些很大的一個問題是 部長那我想我們最近發現這個今年\n我們通往香港的這個EAC1號海欄在8月22號發生部分的一個斷線通往東南亞的一個EAC2號的海底電纜在9月1號也發生斷線那我想這個對於整個我們這個對外的國際的這個網絡已經不只是一個通訊的問題甚至造成一個國安的一個很大的一個防護的一個危機那根據我們現在目前海欄地圖的網站我們24條裡面已經有9條發生斷裂\n那臺灣平均這個三年裡面 一年平均有七八條斷纜事件 那甚至這個最離譜的我們中國一艘全一輪 鴻泰五十八號還刻意勾斷了我們這個台澎三號的電纜\n後來船長還被判刑了這個三年那我想這是一個我們也這個很要求我們的我們相關的執法單位要這個正式這樣的一個問題那針對這樣的一個狀況那我想因為剛剛你的報告裡面有特別提到我們台馬4號跟台金棚這兩個部分是明年6月要完工那未來會不會納入我們一個國安等級的一個風險評估會是\n被納入到國家冠軍技術設施裡頭現在所有的國內海欄跟國際海欄都已經納入那現在只要它新建的海欄完成以後我們都會納入 是也跟委員補充報告一下就是說之前網傳說台灣有9條海欄同時斷掉事實上那並不是真實的狀況那我們現在台灣對外的14條國際海欄裡面有3條有故障的狀況但是應該會在最近幾個月\n我們都在掌握狀況 而且我們把資訊也充分接入在本部的官網中也充分接入 目前國際有兩條 一條是國內的\n部長我想這個海底電纜的問題我想也不是只有速發部的問題我也在跟交通部我們航港局也提過很多次尤其針對現在的所謂的一個權益論的問題尤其在我們這個沿海的部分他們有些掛了一個中國或是香港公司的一個國籍甚至用這個\n非洲或其他的一個國家的一個偽裝我想這個是一個用一個灰色的一個行動的一個模式其實對我們這個整個國家的通訊安全跟國安的問題是一個很大的一個潛在的一個威脅我想我們未來必須要跨部會來做這樣的一個監控跟一個處理這個部分有沒有跟交通部有做一個聯繫\n是 我們一直有跟交通部以及海委會等做聯繫因為國際海欄事實上比較麻煩一些因為國際海欄的擁有者跟經營者通常是一些國際的公司並不是台灣的公司而且譬如說上次我們講說海欄有一些故障的問題其實斷網的那個是並不是發生在台灣跟菲律賓之間而是在菲律賓到新加坡之間\n那台湾因为有很多的游戏的使用者那些玩游戏的人他用的那些游戏他的伺服器在新加坡所以当菲律宾到新加坡中间这段海岸发生故障的时候虽然他网路还会通这个会照到其他的国家因为网际网路的特性他会自动找寻一条路径连到新加坡但是连网的速度就变慢了\n所以像這種我現在講這件事情就是說這個事情其實是相當複雜而且是相當國際化那我們不單單需要跟台灣的交通部以及海委會一起合作我們還必須跟國際上其他的國家尤其是友好的民主國家我們必須一起合作這個機制有建立了嗎\n是 報告委員確實如此我們其實跟有一些友好國家常常在他們的建議機關裡在談這件事情不管是歐洲或是美國 日本大家都在談這件事情那這件事情其實是一個國際上的議題而且國際上也非常重視\n那我想剛剛陳榮部長講的其實我們服務部應該也要組著建立一個全國通信任性的一個演練的一個機制所以是因應到這樣的一個問題危機發生的時候用最快的速度去做處理甚至在國際上也要做一個國際性的一個交流的一個隨時一個掌控的一個機制部長這部分應該沒有問題沒有問題\n我們現在就來做我們會努力好謝謝那剛剛部長有提到這個零三任之後的四大主張包含產業資安打債跟數位政府那但是我記得我一直在從去年一直到委員會的時候我比較擔心你們的這個人力的問題是那到目前編制跟我們的縣議員人力大概有落差多少我們抱歉我們可不可以請那個人事處處長說明好嗎\n跟委員報告我們部裡面的那個部分現在到今年9月30大概那個道指的那個原額比例大概83.39%以上報告現在編制跟縣委缺額多少人缺額\n以本部的部分缺額的部分是47人47人部長我想剛剛我們知道你們有很多的事情要做但是沒有人做不了事情沒錯 完全同意尤其你們又是中央的主管機關我們又有地方政府有縣市政府又有鄉鎮公所更有中央派出在地方很多的相對的一些機關他們的資安人力更是我們擔心的一個問題\n沒錯 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