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00:01:22,388\n好那麼在這邊呢我接下來呢我是想要就監察院的這個職責的部分來就叫就叫王富敏我們知道其實監察院在我們的憲法底下權力分立的之下作為我們這個五院之一對於行政院以及各部會的工作都有調查是否違法或失職的權利並且可以行使\n\n4\n00:01:23,127 --> 00:01:43,336\n糾正彈劾糾舉權但是呢在最近這一年多來我們看到行政院及各部會其實有蠻多很明顯公然違法不依法行政的情況譬如說像是該編的預算沒有編行政院從去年開始對於這個\n\n5\n00:01:45,578 --> 00:02:14,518\n要編原住民計法補償條例的預算沒有編那麼到今年像是軍人志願役加緊警消人員退休金的預算等等該編也是沒有編那麼又自己擅自扣減地方性的補助款至於最後來有好幾件發生自然天然災害那麼我想請教就是監察委員現在有沒有人是有主動申請調查這些案子\n\n6\n00:02:16,051 --> 00:02:26,860\n跟委員說明目前沒有這樣子的案件也沒有澄清也沒有檢舉所以沒有澄清沒有檢舉那麼因此監察委員就可以消極的\n\n7\n00:02:28,598 --> 00:02:55,707\n依職權去調查嗎這是非常明顯的不依法行政我想如果監察委員他夠關心時事夠了解現在行政院立法院的互動以及社會上面對於行政院公然違法的這樣的一個聲音的話那麼是不是應該要主動的立案調查或是也要自請自請調查所以到目前為止監察院沒有任何動作\n\n8\n00:02:57,625 --> 00:03:12,021\n目前我們沒有收到澄清跟檢舉不過是有關於那個進法補償的部分呢有調查案可是不是委員說的這個這個不便利預算的部分不是這個部分對\n\n9\n00:03:13,102 --> 00:03:31,153\n那有關於軍警的部分其實監察院也有其他的調查案是有沒錯他們的待遇還有員額等等都有相關的調查案可是就是沒有依法編列加薪的部分是沒有那一般政府補助款\n\n10\n00:03:32,774 --> 00:04:00,808\n總之監察院沒有任何動作也沒有任何監察委員自行自請調查那麼我要講就是說大家其實對於監察院的功能不彰已經是非常感冒尤其看到監察委員們在這些年來的表現幾乎就是只打蒼蠅不打老虎重要的大的弊案或是說行政越是高層的行政官員或行政機關違法監察院都不出手\n\n11\n00:04:01,368 --> 00:04:21,819\n然後也不去積極做調查其實大家看到這樣的一個狀況是非常的寒心也認為說監察院是每每遇到重大的爭議案件就歸縮不前或是輕輕的放過這樣的做法基本上就是自毀聲譽那當然秘書長因為你不是監察委員了你沒有辦法去做這樣但是我希望你能夠把今天\n\n12\n00:04:22,319 --> 00:04:32,528\n本席的意見然後轉達給監察委員們知道這些事情非常的重要然後乃至於像是這次的花蓮光復香的顏色湖的潰壩事件我覺得監察院都應該要趕快的積極主動立案來調查\n\n13\n00:04:39,720 --> 00:05:00,008\n這個部分是有嗎好那其他的這個行政院違法失職的這些案子都目前為止都沒有那我也希望他們能夠趕快立案調查好那麼除了就是剛剛講的對於行政機關的違法失職的作為監察院應該要積極的去調查之外還有就是我們剛剛說的監察委員他同時也是國家人權委員會的委員\n\n14\n00:05:01,926 --> 00:05:09,731\n那麼對於人權的案件應該要特別的重視請問目前這一兩年有多少的人權調查案件麻煩請暫停一下時間關於人權的那個調查案有四案\n\n15\n00:05:27,665 --> 00:05:44,795\n有四案只有四案對然後他有專案另外的專案有八案好有13件專案OK我想請問我想請問王副秘的就是大家知道這兩年來其實這個陸委會對於這個陸配是這個極盡百般刁難那麼對於陸配人權的問題國家人權委員會這邊有沒有\n\n16\n00:05:56,857 --> 00:06:18,106\n立案調查有沒有去了解這個事情大家知道其實陸委會他現在所做的這些措施基本上他是違反法律保留原則的而且還將這個本來根本不應該適用這個後來在民國就是後來這個修法的相關的規定然後又溯及既往的讓很多的陸配幾十萬的陸配\n\n17\n00:06:19,366 --> 00:06:37,294\n然後重新回去去申請什麼放棄大陸戶籍證明等等那麼還有就是驅逐陸配出境這些其實都是很嚴重會已經侵害到陸配人權的問題然後影響到他們的家庭權親子權那麼對於這部分我們國家人權委員會都沒有調查嗎\n\n18\n00:06:38,394 --> 00:06:58,533\n就是跟委員說明有關於陸配的相關的權益的部分是已經納入兩公約的獨立評估意見裡面有說明那獨立評估意見在下半年會對外公佈然後這是第一點那第二點是有關於監察權的部分\n\n19\n00:06:59,633 --> 00:07:14,119\n陸配的這樣子的一個權益的照顧的部分我們內政及族群委員會已經有決議通過了就是把我們去巡查的時候會去特別關注這個議題\n\n20\n00:07:15,419 --> 00:07:40,448\n所以這就是大家就在講就是國家人權委員會到底設了有什麼功能國家人權委員會目前每年編列預算是1.1億到1.2億之間那麼你們判理的基本上都是看起來無關緊要真正的對於台灣的人權迫害或有侵害的事情你們卻沒有積極的處理這讓大家覺得說我們國家人權委員會設置到底有\n\n21\n00:07:41,847 --> 00:07:58,062\n對於台灣的人權保障提升有所注意嗎並沒有從勞動權利然後剛剛講的那些新著名的權利人權然後已經產生了這麼大的爭議監察院仍然是袖手旁觀國家人權委員會的委員們袖手旁觀這讓人家很難\n\n22\n00:08:03,871 --> 00:08:09,178\n很難會認為我們是否有成立國家人權委員會的這個必要或者是說我們要投入更多的資源去支持國家人權委員會所以在這邊呢本席也要提醒這個王複密回去轉告人權委員會的委員們\n\n23\n00:08:20,073 --> 00:08:47,659\n這些事件都要趕快處理要積極的去調查去了解到底行政機關在處理這些事情的時候是不是有違反比例原則違反法律保留原則我們畢竟還是一個依法行政的國家人權保障是非常重要的一件事情政治是政治但是我們回歸到法律的層面來還是必須要依法行政而且要注意到人權保障這個才是非常重要的事情好那接下來第三個問題很快問\n\n24\n00:08:50,035 --> 00:09:12,766\n我們知道這個陳菊院長從去年12月請假以來將近快要一年的時間那當然本席在這邊也希望她能夠早日康復不過事實上就是因為陳菊院長的健康的狀況然後始終沒有辦法就復職那也造成就是監察院現在一直處於就是無院長的狀態就是由副院長來代理院長這也會影響到整個監察院的運作\n\n25\n00:09:15,467 --> 00:09:41,292\n那麼在這樣的一個情形之下當然本席是認為為了考慮到監察院的運作還有也同時要顧好這個陳院長的健康如果他能夠自行請辭那當然是最好但是以現在狀況來講的話他一直沒有動作那外界一直認為說他是不是在這段時間裡面還是有領薪水那當然監察院有發了新聞稿說陳院長基本上是沒有領薪水\n\n26\n00:09:42,625 --> 00:10:06,553\n拋棄薪資那我這邊我就想進步的問一下問幾個問題第一個就是監察委員他本身就是廣義的政務人員他本身應該是不適用於公務人員請假規則那麼甚至連這個所謂拋棄薪資的部分他是不是是他現在的拋棄薪資的狀況是依照公務人員的這個當時全區部的函式裡面的做法拋棄薪資嗎\n\n27\n00:10:10,131 --> 00:10:30,478\n第一個是有關院長的任命是總統的職權然後依照監察院的組織法第六條那如果院長因故不能逝世的時候是由副院長來代理那監察院的職權不管是憲政職權法定職權都非常正常而且謹慎的在運作中\n\n28\n00:10:31,078 --> 00:10:47,629\n那至於說院長請假的部分是依據公務員請假規則第三條第一項的規定來辦理那至於政務人員的部分是準用的那至於說委員所提到有關於信奉的部分因為不管依照\n\n29\n00:10:48,570 --> 00:11:11,921\n法務部或是詮釋部的函事有關於公務員的薪奉的部分是屬於公務員對國家的公法上的請求權那不管在法律法理或者是實務上面他都是可以全部或者是部分來拋棄不用講這麼法律上面的條件我都曉得那接下來我就請問到底現在陳局院長他拋棄了什麼他的本奉拋棄了嗎他的月奉他每個月的薪水拋棄\n\n30\n00:11:19,870 --> 00:11:44,856\n是被拋棄了然後他的特殊費沒有特殊費衡院長沒有特殊費不是我們今年的特殊費是全部都刪除好那就是他的月奉有拋棄然後呢其他的健保還有宮保還有院長的薪奉薪奉是有拋棄這樣自願繳回這樣自願繳回全數都繳回\n\n31\n00:11:49,746 --> 00:12:11,078\n這個如果是現象的部分是不是全數都繳回嗎還是有部分項目是沒有繳的嗎是沒有拋棄的對不起是沒有拋棄的我院長的新縫是有拋棄的所以新縫是全數包含各式各樣的加擠福利是不是那所以他現在的公保跟健保是誰負擔沒有人負擔嗎這位人員也有公保跟健保\n\n32\n00:12:21,181 --> 00:12:41,602\n這個部分的話我希望監察院要提供給我一個清楚的一個報告因為我想國人是有權利知道到底現在院長說他自己自動拋棄薪水那麼這些薪水的範圍是什麼當然現在政務人員應該是沒有所謂的這個休假的獎金這些應該是沒有嘛他就是主要就是由他的\n\n33\n00:12:44,184 --> 00:12:50,047\n鳳擠就是月鳳還加上他的什麼專業家擠或是植物家擠這些來組成那這總之希望我請秘書長這裡要提供一個下禮拜就提供給我一份就是陳菊院長他拋棄新鳳的這個範圍\n\n34\n00:13:02,199 --> 00:13:17,473\n的說明好那最後我最後一個題目因為今天時間有限那我還是要說明一下我們會依法依法提供資料依法因為還是有有相關的法規的限制他一定是一個個人資料是謝謝委員\n\n35\n00:13:18,223 --> 00:13:47,723\n竟然陳菊院長都說他拋棄薪資拋棄薪資的範圍我覺得這是全民應該有權利可以知道的事情他到底薪資的組成就政務人員的薪資的組成這不是秘密是不是這不是秘密嘛對不對但是你監察院提出來的資料這個就是一個公開是可驗證的一個訊息所以如果他是拋棄的是政務人員他現在當院長領了三四十萬的薪水全部的薪水的這個資訊這倒為什麼不能公開這並不是秘密啊\n\n36\n00:13:48,683 --> 00:14:12,974\n對不對否則的話這個讓大家對於陳菊院長的話沒有信任覺得說她說要拋棄結果可能事實上根本沒有拋棄或只拋棄一小部分好那最後我要講的就是監察院的立法計畫監察院對於立法委員們所提出我這次看到你們監察院提出的立法計畫裡面似乎完全沒有follow立法委員們所提出的相關的立法或修法建議\n\n37\n00:14:14,461 --> 00:14:34,561\n監察院是對於立法委員所提出的修法案是無動於衷嗎包含好對不起最後一分鐘包含本席所提出的監察委員行為法以及許曉欣和文宏偉委員他們提出的監察院的組織法修法現在監察院的立場是什麼樣是完全都不想要提出相關的修法嗎\n\n38\n00:14:36,639 --> 00:14:50,644\n這個有關於法案的提案權當然是立法委員的權限的憲政權限那這個三個剛剛委員所提到的三個法規沒有包含在監察院今年的立法計畫裡面是在去年也沒有\n\n39\n00:14:51,264 --> 00:15:14,481\n以前兩三個會期四個會期都沒有所以本期要在這邊提醒就說是監察院的立法計畫應該也要關注立法委員們所提出的相關法案而不是很消極的然後提了一些基本上根本你們我看不出來你們這年的立法計畫有要提出什麼項目所以這也會讓人家認為說監察院基本上真的功能不彰好以上謝謝好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n373\t1554\t好謝謝主席那麼在這邊先有請王副秘書長請副秘書長王副秘書長好我要呼應剛剛我們莊昭偉所說的那些話這個監察院他現在監察委員\n26184\t53798\t不是只有監察委員的這個角色還扮演的國家人權委員會委員的角色所以更是應該要重視人權那麼勞動人權其實也是我們國家這個向來應該要非常重視的一環那麼各個行政機關到底有沒有做好其實監察院應該國家人權委員會應該要負更多的責任然後去了解 去查清楚\n54498\t82388\t好那麼在這邊呢我接下來呢我是想要就監察院的這個職責的部分來就叫就叫王富敏我們知道其實監察院在我們的憲法底下權力分立的之下作為我們這個五院之一對於行政院以及各部會的工作都有調查是否違法或失職的權利並且可以行使\n83127\t103336\t糾正彈劾糾舉權但是呢在最近這一年多來我們看到行政院及各部會其實有蠻多很明顯公然違法不依法行政的情況譬如說像是該編的預算沒有編行政院從去年開始對於這個\n105578\t134518\t要編原住民計法補償條例的預算沒有編那麼到今年像是軍人志願役加緊警消人員退休金的預算等等該編也是沒有編那麼又自己擅自扣減地方性的補助款至於最後來有好幾件發生自然天然災害那麼我想請教就是監察委員現在有沒有人是有主動申請調查這些案子\n136051\t146860\t跟委員說明目前沒有這樣子的案件也沒有澄清也沒有檢舉所以沒有澄清沒有檢舉那麼因此監察委員就可以消極的\n148598\t175707\t依職權去調查嗎這是非常明顯的不依法行政我想如果監察委員他夠關心時事夠了解現在行政院立法院的互動以及社會上面對於行政院公然違法的這樣的一個聲音的話那麼是不是應該要主動的立案調查或是也要自請自請調查所以到目前為止監察院沒有任何動作\n177625\t192021\t目前我們沒有收到澄清跟檢舉不過是有關於那個進法補償的部分呢有調查案 可是不是委員說的這個這個不便利預算的部分不是這個部分 對\n193102\t211153\t那有關於軍警的部分其實監察院也有其他的調查案是有沒錯他們的待遇還有員額等等都有相關的調查案可是就是沒有依法編列加薪的部分是沒有那一般政府補助款\n212774\t240808\t總之監察院沒有任何動作也沒有任何監察委員自行自請調查那麼我要講就是說大家其實對於監察院的功能不彰已經是非常感冒尤其看到監察委員們在這些年來的表現幾乎就是只打蒼蠅不打老虎重要的大的弊案或是說行政越是高層的行政官員或行政機關違法監察院都不出手\n241368\t261819\t然後也不去積極做調查其實大家看到這樣的一個狀況是非常的寒心也認為說監察院是每每遇到重大的爭議案件就歸縮不前或是輕輕的放過這樣的做法基本上就是自毀聲譽那當然秘書長因為你不是監察委員了你沒有辦法去做這樣但是我希望你能夠把今天\n262319\t272528\t本席的意見然後轉達給監察委員們知道這些事情非常的重要然後乃至於像是這次的花蓮光復香的顏色湖的潰壩事件我覺得監察院都應該要趕快的積極主動立案來調查\n279720\t300008\t這個部分是有嗎好那其他的這個行政院違法失職的這些案子都目前為止都沒有那我也希望他們能夠趕快立案調查好那麼除了就是剛剛講的對於行政機關的違法失職的作為監察院應該要積極的去調查之外還有就是我們剛剛說的監察委員他同時也是國家人權委員會的委員\n301926\t309731\t那麼對於人權的案件應該要特別的重視請問目前這一兩年有多少的人權調查案件麻煩請暫停一下時間關於人權的那個調查案有四案\n327665\t344795\t有四案 只有四案對 然後他有專案另外的專案有八案好有13件專案OK 我想請問我想請問王副秘的就是大家知道這兩年來其實這個陸委會對於這個陸配是這個極盡百般刁難那麼對於陸配人權的問題國家人權委員會這邊有沒有\n356857\t378106\t立案調查有沒有去了解這個事情大家知道其實陸委會他現在所做的這些措施基本上他是違反法律保留原則的而且還將這個本來根本不應該適用這個後來在民國就是後來這個修法的相關的規定然後又溯及既往的讓很多的陸配幾十萬的陸配\n379366\t397294\t然後重新回去去申請什麼放棄大陸戶籍證明等等那麼還有就是驅逐陸配出境這些其實都是很嚴重會已經侵害到陸配人權的問題然後影響到他們的家庭權親子權那麼對於這部分我們國家人權委員會都沒有調查嗎\n398394\t418533\t就是跟委員說明有關於陸配的相關的權益的部分是已經納入兩公約的獨立評估意見裡面有說明那獨立評估意見在下半年會對外公佈然後這是第一點那第二點是有關於監察權的部分\n419633\t434119\t陸配的這樣子的一個權益的照顧的部分我們內政及族群委員會已經有決議通過了就是把我們去巡查的時候會去特別關注這個議題\n435419\t460448\t所以這就是大家就在講就是國家人權委員會到底設了有什麼功能國家人權委員會目前每年編列預算是1.1億到1.2億之間那麼你們判理的基本上都是看起來無關緊要真正的對於台灣的人權迫害或有侵害的事情你們卻沒有積極的處理這讓大家覺得說我們國家人權委員會設置到底有\n461847\t478062\t對於台灣的人權保障提升有所注意嗎並沒有從勞動權利然後剛剛講的那些新著名的權利人權然後已經產生了這麼大的爭議監察院仍然是袖手旁觀國家人權委員會的委員們袖手旁觀這讓人家很難\n483871\t489178\t很難會認為我們是否有成立國家人權委員會的這個必要或者是說我們要投入更多的資源去支持國家人權委員會所以在這邊呢本席也要提醒這個王複密回去轉告人權委員會的委員們\n500073\t527659\t這些事件都要趕快處理要積極的去調查 去了解到底行政機關在處理這些事情的時候是不是有違反比例原則違反法律保留原則我們畢竟還是一個依法行政的國家人權保障是非常重要的一件事情政治是政治 但是我們回歸到法律的層面來還是必須要依法行政而且要注意到人權保障這個才是非常重要的事情好 那接下來第三個問題 很快問\n530035\t552766\t我們知道這個陳菊院長從去年12月請假以來將近快要一年的時間那當然本席在這邊也希望她能夠早日康復不過事實上就是因為陳菊院長的健康的狀況然後始終沒有辦法就復職那也造成就是監察院現在一直處於就是無院長的狀態就是由副院長來代理院長這也會影響到整個監察院的運作\n555467\t581292\t那麼在這樣的一個情形之下當然本席是認為為了考慮到監察院的運作還有也同時要顧好這個陳院長的健康如果他能夠自行請辭那當然是最好但是以現在狀況來講的話他一直沒有動作那外界一直認為說他是不是在這段時間裡面還是有領薪水那當然監察院有發了新聞稿說陳院長基本上是沒有領薪水\n582625\t606553\t拋棄薪資那我這邊我就想進步的問一下問幾個問題第一個就是監察委員他本身就是廣義的政務人員他本身應該是不適用於公務人員請假規則那麼甚至連這個所謂拋棄薪資的部分他是不是是他現在的拋棄薪資的狀況是依照公務人員的這個當時全區部的函式裡面的做法拋棄薪資嗎\n610131\t630478\t第一個是有關院長的任命是總統的職權然後依照監察院的組織法第六條那如果院長因故不能逝世的時候是由副院長來代理那監察院的職權不管是憲政職權法定職權都非常正常而且謹慎的在運作中\n631078\t647629\t那至於說院長請假的部分是依據公務員請假規則第三條第一項的規定來辦理那至於政務人員的部分是準用的那至於說委員所提到有關於信奉的部分因為不管依照\n648570\t671921\t法務部或是詮釋部的函事有關於公務員的薪奉的部分是屬於公務員對國家的公法上的請求權那不管在法律法理或者是實務上面他都是可以全部或者是部分來拋棄不用講這麼法律上面的條件我都曉得那接下來我就請問到底現在陳局院長他拋棄了什麼他的本奉拋棄了嗎他的月奉他每個月的薪水拋棄\n679870\t704856\t是被拋棄了 然後他的特殊費沒有特殊費衡院長沒有特殊費不是 我們今年的特殊費是全部都刪除好 那就是他的月奉有拋棄然後呢其他的健保還有宮保 還有院長的薪奉薪奉是有拋棄這樣 自願繳回這樣自願繳回 全數都繳回\n709746\t731078\t這個如果是現象的部分是不是全數都繳回嗎還是有部分項目是沒有繳的嗎是沒有拋棄的對不起是沒有拋棄的我院長的新縫是有拋棄的所以新縫是全數包含各式各樣的加擠福利是不是那所以他現在的公保跟健保是誰負擔沒有人負擔嗎這位人員也有公保跟健保\n741181\t761602\t這個部分的話我希望監察院要提供給我一個清楚的一個報告因為我想國人是有權利知道到底現在院長說他自己自動拋棄薪水那麼這些薪水的範圍是什麼當然現在政務人員應該是沒有所謂的這個休假的獎金這些應該是沒有嘛他就是主要就是由他的\n764184\t770047\t鳳擠就是月鳳還加上他的什麼專業家擠或是植物家擠這些來組成那這總之希望我請秘書長這裡要提供一個下禮拜就提供給我一份就是陳菊院長他拋棄新鳳的這個範圍\n782199\t797473\t的說明好那最後我最後一個題目因為今天時間有限那我還是要說明一下我們會依法依法提供資料依法因為還是有有相關的法規的限制他一定是一個個人資料是謝謝委員\n798223\t827723\t竟然陳菊院長都說他拋棄薪資拋棄薪資的範圍我覺得這是全民應該有權利可以知道的事情他到底薪資的組成就政務人員的薪資的組成這不是秘密是不是這不是秘密嘛對不對但是你監察院提出來的資料這個就是一個公開是可驗證的一個訊息所以如果他是拋棄的是政務人員他現在當院長領了三四十萬的薪水全部的薪水的這個資訊這倒為什麼不能公開這並不是秘密啊\n828683\t852974\t對不對 否則的話 這個讓大家對於陳菊院長的話沒有信任覺得說她說要拋棄 結果可能事實上根本沒有拋棄或只拋棄一小部分好 那最後我要講的就是監察院的立法計畫監察院對於立法委員們所提出我這次看到你們監察院提出的立法計畫裡面似乎完全沒有follow立法委員們所提出的相關的立法或修法建議\n854461\t874561\t監察院是對於立法委員所提出的修法案是無動於衷嗎包含 好 對不起 最後一分鐘包含本席所提出的監察委員行為法以及許曉欣和文宏偉委員他們提出的監察院的組織法修法現在監察院的立場是什麼樣是完全都不想要提出相關的修法嗎\n876639\t890644\t這個有關於法案的提案權當然是立法委員的權限的憲政權限那這個三個 剛剛委員所提到的三個法規沒有包含在監察院今年的立法計畫裡面是 在去年也沒有\n891264\t914481\t以前兩三個會期 四個會期都沒有所以本期要在這邊提醒就說是監察院的立法計畫應該也要關注立法委員們所提出的相關法案而不是很消極的然後提了一些基本上根本你們我看不出來你們這年的立法計畫有要提出什麼項目所以這也會讓人家認為說監察院基本上真的功能不彰好 以上謝謝好 謝謝\n","txt":"好謝謝主席那麼在這邊先有請王副秘書長請副秘書長王副秘書長好我要呼應剛剛我們莊昭偉所說的那些話這個監察院他現在監察委員\n不是只有監察委員的這個角色還扮演的國家人權委員會委員的角色所以更是應該要重視人權那麼勞動人權其實也是我們國家這個向來應該要非常重視的一環那麼各個行政機關到底有沒有做好其實監察院應該國家人權委員會應該要負更多的責任然後去了解 去查清楚\n好那麼在這邊呢我接下來呢我是想要就監察院的這個職責的部分來就叫就叫王富敏我們知道其實監察院在我們的憲法底下權力分立的之下作為我們這個五院之一對於行政院以及各部會的工作都有調查是否違法或失職的權利並且可以行使\n糾正彈劾糾舉權但是呢在最近這一年多來我們看到行政院及各部會其實有蠻多很明顯公然違法不依法行政的情況譬如說像是該編的預算沒有編行政院從去年開始對於這個\n要編原住民計法補償條例的預算沒有編那麼到今年像是軍人志願役加緊警消人員退休金的預算等等該編也是沒有編那麼又自己擅自扣減地方性的補助款至於最後來有好幾件發生自然天然災害那麼我想請教就是監察委員現在有沒有人是有主動申請調查這些案子\n跟委員說明目前沒有這樣子的案件也沒有澄清也沒有檢舉所以沒有澄清沒有檢舉那麼因此監察委員就可以消極的\n依職權去調查嗎這是非常明顯的不依法行政我想如果監察委員他夠關心時事夠了解現在行政院立法院的互動以及社會上面對於行政院公然違法的這樣的一個聲音的話那麼是不是應該要主動的立案調查或是也要自請自請調查所以到目前為止監察院沒有任何動作\n目前我們沒有收到澄清跟檢舉不過是有關於那個進法補償的部分呢有調查案 可是不是委員說的這個這個不便利預算的部分不是這個部分 對\n那有關於軍警的部分其實監察院也有其他的調查案是有沒錯他們的待遇還有員額等等都有相關的調查案可是就是沒有依法編列加薪的部分是沒有那一般政府補助款\n總之監察院沒有任何動作也沒有任何監察委員自行自請調查那麼我要講就是說大家其實對於監察院的功能不彰已經是非常感冒尤其看到監察委員們在這些年來的表現幾乎就是只打蒼蠅不打老虎重要的大的弊案或是說行政越是高層的行政官員或行政機關違法監察院都不出手\n然後也不去積極做調查其實大家看到這樣的一個狀況是非常的寒心也認為說監察院是每每遇到重大的爭議案件就歸縮不前或是輕輕的放過這樣的做法基本上就是自毀聲譽那當然秘書長因為你不是監察委員了你沒有辦法去做這樣但是我希望你能夠把今天\n本席的意見然後轉達給監察委員們知道這些事情非常的重要然後乃至於像是這次的花蓮光復香的顏色湖的潰壩事件我覺得監察院都應該要趕快的積極主動立案來調查\n這個部分是有嗎好那其他的這個行政院違法失職的這些案子都目前為止都沒有那我也希望他們能夠趕快立案調查好那麼除了就是剛剛講的對於行政機關的違法失職的作為監察院應該要積極的去調查之外還有就是我們剛剛說的監察委員他同時也是國家人權委員會的委員\n那麼對於人權的案件應該要特別的重視請問目前這一兩年有多少的人權調查案件麻煩請暫停一下時間關於人權的那個調查案有四案\n有四案 只有四案對 然後他有專案另外的專案有八案好有13件專案OK 我想請問我想請問王副秘的就是大家知道這兩年來其實這個陸委會對於這個陸配是這個極盡百般刁難那麼對於陸配人權的問題國家人權委員會這邊有沒有\n立案調查有沒有去了解這個事情大家知道其實陸委會他現在所做的這些措施基本上他是違反法律保留原則的而且還將這個本來根本不應該適用這個後來在民國就是後來這個修法的相關的規定然後又溯及既往的讓很多的陸配幾十萬的陸配\n然後重新回去去申請什麼放棄大陸戶籍證明等等那麼還有就是驅逐陸配出境這些其實都是很嚴重會已經侵害到陸配人權的問題然後影響到他們的家庭權親子權那麼對於這部分我們國家人權委員會都沒有調查嗎\n就是跟委員說明有關於陸配的相關的權益的部分是已經納入兩公約的獨立評估意見裡面有說明那獨立評估意見在下半年會對外公佈然後這是第一點那第二點是有關於監察權的部分\n陸配的這樣子的一個權益的照顧的部分我們內政及族群委員會已經有決議通過了就是把我們去巡查的時候會去特別關注這個議題\n所以這就是大家就在講就是國家人權委員會到底設了有什麼功能國家人權委員會目前每年編列預算是1.1億到1.2億之間那麼你們判理的基本上都是看起來無關緊要真正的對於台灣的人權迫害或有侵害的事情你們卻沒有積極的處理這讓大家覺得說我們國家人權委員會設置到底有\n對於台灣的人權保障提升有所注意嗎並沒有從勞動權利然後剛剛講的那些新著名的權利人權然後已經產生了這麼大的爭議監察院仍然是袖手旁觀國家人權委員會的委員們袖手旁觀這讓人家很難\n很難會認為我們是否有成立國家人權委員會的這個必要或者是說我們要投入更多的資源去支持國家人權委員會所以在這邊呢本席也要提醒這個王複密回去轉告人權委員會的委員們\n這些事件都要趕快處理要積極的去調查 去了解到底行政機關在處理這些事情的時候是不是有違反比例原則違反法律保留原則我們畢竟還是一個依法行政的國家人權保障是非常重要的一件事情政治是政治 但是我們回歸到法律的層面來還是必須要依法行政而且要注意到人權保障這個才是非常重要的事情好 那接下來第三個問題 很快問\n我們知道這個陳菊院長從去年12月請假以來將近快要一年的時間那當然本席在這邊也希望她能夠早日康復不過事實上就是因為陳菊院長的健康的狀況然後始終沒有辦法就復職那也造成就是監察院現在一直處於就是無院長的狀態就是由副院長來代理院長這也會影響到整個監察院的運作\n那麼在這樣的一個情形之下當然本席是認為為了考慮到監察院的運作還有也同時要顧好這個陳院長的健康如果他能夠自行請辭那當然是最好但是以現在狀況來講的話他一直沒有動作那外界一直認為說他是不是在這段時間裡面還是有領薪水那當然監察院有發了新聞稿說陳院長基本上是沒有領薪水\n拋棄薪資那我這邊我就想進步的問一下問幾個問題第一個就是監察委員他本身就是廣義的政務人員他本身應該是不適用於公務人員請假規則那麼甚至連這個所謂拋棄薪資的部分他是不是是他現在的拋棄薪資的狀況是依照公務人員的這個當時全區部的函式裡面的做法拋棄薪資嗎\n第一個是有關院長的任命是總統的職權然後依照監察院的組織法第六條那如果院長因故不能逝世的時候是由副院長來代理那監察院的職權不管是憲政職權法定職權都非常正常而且謹慎的在運作中\n那至於說院長請假的部分是依據公務員請假規則第三條第一項的規定來辦理那至於政務人員的部分是準用的那至於說委員所提到有關於信奉的部分因為不管依照\n法務部或是詮釋部的函事有關於公務員的薪奉的部分是屬於公務員對國家的公法上的請求權那不管在法律法理或者是實務上面他都是可以全部或者是部分來拋棄不用講這麼法律上面的條件我都曉得那接下來我就請問到底現在陳局院長他拋棄了什麼他的本奉拋棄了嗎他的月奉他每個月的薪水拋棄\n是被拋棄了 然後他的特殊費沒有特殊費衡院長沒有特殊費不是 我們今年的特殊費是全部都刪除好 那就是他的月奉有拋棄然後呢其他的健保還有宮保 還有院長的薪奉薪奉是有拋棄這樣 自願繳回這樣自願繳回 全數都繳回\n這個如果是現象的部分是不是全數都繳回嗎還是有部分項目是沒有繳的嗎是沒有拋棄的對不起是沒有拋棄的我院長的新縫是有拋棄的所以新縫是全數包含各式各樣的加擠福利是不是那所以他現在的公保跟健保是誰負擔沒有人負擔嗎這位人員也有公保跟健保\n這個部分的話我希望監察院要提供給我一個清楚的一個報告因為我想國人是有權利知道到底現在院長說他自己自動拋棄薪水那麼這些薪水的範圍是什麼當然現在政務人員應該是沒有所謂的這個休假的獎金這些應該是沒有嘛他就是主要就是由他的\n鳳擠就是月鳳還加上他的什麼專業家擠或是植物家擠這些來組成那這總之希望我請秘書長這裡要提供一個下禮拜就提供給我一份就是陳菊院長他拋棄新鳳的這個範圍\n的說明好那最後我最後一個題目因為今天時間有限那我還是要說明一下我們會依法依法提供資料依法因為還是有有相關的法規的限制他一定是一個個人資料是謝謝委員\n竟然陳菊院長都說他拋棄薪資拋棄薪資的範圍我覺得這是全民應該有權利可以知道的事情他到底薪資的組成就政務人員的薪資的組成這不是秘密是不是這不是秘密嘛對不對但是你監察院提出來的資料這個就是一個公開是可驗證的一個訊息所以如果他是拋棄的是政務人員他現在當院長領了三四十萬的薪水全部的薪水的這個資訊這倒為什麼不能公開這並不是秘密啊\n對不對 否則的話 這個讓大家對於陳菊院長的話沒有信任覺得說她說要拋棄 結果可能事實上根本沒有拋棄或只拋棄一小部分好 那最後我要講的就是監察院的立法計畫監察院對於立法委員們所提出我這次看到你們監察院提出的立法計畫裡面似乎完全沒有follow立法委員們所提出的相關的立法或修法建議\n監察院是對於立法委員所提出的修法案是無動於衷嗎包含 好 對不起 最後一分鐘包含本席所提出的監察委員行為法以及許曉欣和文宏偉委員他們提出的監察院的組織法修法現在監察院的立場是什麼樣是完全都不想要提出相關的修法嗎\n這個有關於法案的提案權當然是立法委員的權限的憲政權限那這個三個 剛剛委員所提到的三個法規沒有包含在監察院今年的立法計畫裡面是 在去年也沒有\n以前兩三個會期 四個會期都沒有所以本期要在這邊提醒就說是監察院的立法計畫應該也要關注立法委員們所提出的相關法案而不是很消極的然後提了一些基本上根本你們我看不出來你們這年的立法計畫有要提出什麼項目所以這也會讓人家認為說監察院基本上真的功能不彰好 以上謝謝好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.373 --> 00:01.554\n好謝謝主席那麼在這邊先有請王副秘書長請副秘書長王副秘書長好我要呼應剛剛我們莊昭偉所說的那些話這個監察院他現在監察委員\n\n00:26.184 --> 00:53.798\n不是只有監察委員的這個角色還扮演的國家人權委員會委員的角色所以更是應該要重視人權那麼勞動人權其實也是我們國家這個向來應該要非常重視的一環那麼各個行政機關到底有沒有做好其實監察院應該國家人權委員會應該要負更多的責任然後去了解去查清楚\n\n00:54.498 --> 01:22.388\n好那麼在這邊呢我接下來呢我是想要就監察院的這個職責的部分來就叫就叫王富敏我們知道其實監察院在我們的憲法底下權力分立的之下作為我們這個五院之一對於行政院以及各部會的工作都有調查是否違法或失職的權利並且可以行使\n\n01:23.127 --> 01:43.336\n糾正彈劾糾舉權但是呢在最近這一年多來我們看到行政院及各部會其實有蠻多很明顯公然違法不依法行政的情況譬如說像是該編的預算沒有編行政院從去年開始對於這個\n\n01:45.578 --> 02:14.518\n要編原住民計法補償條例的預算沒有編那麼到今年像是軍人志願役加緊警消人員退休金的預算等等該編也是沒有編那麼又自己擅自扣減地方性的補助款至於最後來有好幾件發生自然天然災害那麼我想請教就是監察委員現在有沒有人是有主動申請調查這些案子\n\n02:16.051 --> 02:26.860\n跟委員說明目前沒有這樣子的案件也沒有澄清也沒有檢舉所以沒有澄清沒有檢舉那麼因此監察委員就可以消極的\n\n02:28.598 --> 02:55.707\n依職權去調查嗎這是非常明顯的不依法行政我想如果監察委員他夠關心時事夠了解現在行政院立法院的互動以及社會上面對於行政院公然違法的這樣的一個聲音的話那麼是不是應該要主動的立案調查或是也要自請自請調查所以到目前為止監察院沒有任何動作\n\n02:57.625 --> 03:12.021\n目前我們沒有收到澄清跟檢舉不過是有關於那個進法補償的部分呢有調查案可是不是委員說的這個這個不便利預算的部分不是這個部分對\n\n03:13.102 --> 03:31.153\n那有關於軍警的部分其實監察院也有其他的調查案是有沒錯他們的待遇還有員額等等都有相關的調查案可是就是沒有依法編列加薪的部分是沒有那一般政府補助款\n\n03:32.774 --> 04:00.808\n總之監察院沒有任何動作也沒有任何監察委員自行自請調查那麼我要講就是說大家其實對於監察院的功能不彰已經是非常感冒尤其看到監察委員們在這些年來的表現幾乎就是只打蒼蠅不打老虎重要的大的弊案或是說行政越是高層的行政官員或行政機關違法監察院都不出手\n\n04:01.368 --> 04:21.819\n然後也不去積極做調查其實大家看到這樣的一個狀況是非常的寒心也認為說監察院是每每遇到重大的爭議案件就歸縮不前或是輕輕的放過這樣的做法基本上就是自毀聲譽那當然秘書長因為你不是監察委員了你沒有辦法去做這樣但是我希望你能夠把今天\n\n04:22.319 --> 04:32.528\n本席的意見然後轉達給監察委員們知道這些事情非常的重要然後乃至於像是這次的花蓮光復香的顏色湖的潰壩事件我覺得監察院都應該要趕快的積極主動立案來調查\n\n04:39.720 --> 05:00.008\n這個部分是有嗎好那其他的這個行政院違法失職的這些案子都目前為止都沒有那我也希望他們能夠趕快立案調查好那麼除了就是剛剛講的對於行政機關的違法失職的作為監察院應該要積極的去調查之外還有就是我們剛剛說的監察委員他同時也是國家人權委員會的委員\n\n05:01.926 --> 05:09.731\n那麼對於人權的案件應該要特別的重視請問目前這一兩年有多少的人權調查案件麻煩請暫停一下時間關於人權的那個調查案有四案\n\n05:27.665 --> 05:44.795\n有四案只有四案對然後他有專案另外的專案有八案好有13件專案OK我想請問我想請問王副秘的就是大家知道這兩年來其實這個陸委會對於這個陸配是這個極盡百般刁難那麼對於陸配人權的問題國家人權委員會這邊有沒有\n\n05:56.857 --> 06:18.106\n立案調查有沒有去了解這個事情大家知道其實陸委會他現在所做的這些措施基本上他是違反法律保留原則的而且還將這個本來根本不應該適用這個後來在民國就是後來這個修法的相關的規定然後又溯及既往的讓很多的陸配幾十萬的陸配\n\n06:19.366 --> 06:37.294\n然後重新回去去申請什麼放棄大陸戶籍證明等等那麼還有就是驅逐陸配出境這些其實都是很嚴重會已經侵害到陸配人權的問題然後影響到他們的家庭權親子權那麼對於這部分我們國家人權委員會都沒有調查嗎\n\n06:38.394 --> 06:58.533\n就是跟委員說明有關於陸配的相關的權益的部分是已經納入兩公約的獨立評估意見裡面有說明那獨立評估意見在下半年會對外公佈然後這是第一點那第二點是有關於監察權的部分\n\n06:59.633 --> 07:14.119\n陸配的這樣子的一個權益的照顧的部分我們內政及族群委員會已經有決議通過了就是把我們去巡查的時候會去特別關注這個議題\n\n07:15.419 --> 07:40.448\n所以這就是大家就在講就是國家人權委員會到底設了有什麼功能國家人權委員會目前每年編列預算是1.1億到1.2億之間那麼你們判理的基本上都是看起來無關緊要真正的對於台灣的人權迫害或有侵害的事情你們卻沒有積極的處理這讓大家覺得說我們國家人權委員會設置到底有\n\n07:41.847 --> 07:58.062\n對於台灣的人權保障提升有所注意嗎並沒有從勞動權利然後剛剛講的那些新著名的權利人權然後已經產生了這麼大的爭議監察院仍然是袖手旁觀國家人權委員會的委員們袖手旁觀這讓人家很難\n\n08:03.871 --> 08:09.178\n很難會認為我們是否有成立國家人權委員會的這個必要或者是說我們要投入更多的資源去支持國家人權委員會所以在這邊呢本席也要提醒這個王複密回去轉告人權委員會的委員們\n\n08:20.073 --> 08:47.659\n這些事件都要趕快處理要積極的去調查去了解到底行政機關在處理這些事情的時候是不是有違反比例原則違反法律保留原則我們畢竟還是一個依法行政的國家人權保障是非常重要的一件事情政治是政治但是我們回歸到法律的層面來還是必須要依法行政而且要注意到人權保障這個才是非常重要的事情好那接下來第三個問題很快問\n\n08:50.035 --> 09:12.766\n我們知道這個陳菊院長從去年12月請假以來將近快要一年的時間那當然本席在這邊也希望她能夠早日康復不過事實上就是因為陳菊院長的健康的狀況然後始終沒有辦法就復職那也造成就是監察院現在一直處於就是無院長的狀態就是由副院長來代理院長這也會影響到整個監察院的運作\n\n09:15.467 --> 09:41.292\n那麼在這樣的一個情形之下當然本席是認為為了考慮到監察院的運作還有也同時要顧好這個陳院長的健康如果他能夠自行請辭那當然是最好但是以現在狀況來講的話他一直沒有動作那外界一直認為說他是不是在這段時間裡面還是有領薪水那當然監察院有發了新聞稿說陳院長基本上是沒有領薪水\n\n09:42.625 --> 10:06.553\n拋棄薪資那我這邊我就想進步的問一下問幾個問題第一個就是監察委員他本身就是廣義的政務人員他本身應該是不適用於公務人員請假規則那麼甚至連這個所謂拋棄薪資的部分他是不是是他現在的拋棄薪資的狀況是依照公務人員的這個當時全區部的函式裡面的做法拋棄薪資嗎\n\n10:10.131 --> 10:30.478\n第一個是有關院長的任命是總統的職權然後依照監察院的組織法第六條那如果院長因故不能逝世的時候是由副院長來代理那監察院的職權不管是憲政職權法定職權都非常正常而且謹慎的在運作中\n\n10:31.078 --> 10:47.629\n那至於說院長請假的部分是依據公務員請假規則第三條第一項的規定來辦理那至於政務人員的部分是準用的那至於說委員所提到有關於信奉的部分因為不管依照\n\n10:48.570 --> 11:11.921\n法務部或是詮釋部的函事有關於公務員的薪奉的部分是屬於公務員對國家的公法上的請求權那不管在法律法理或者是實務上面他都是可以全部或者是部分來拋棄不用講這麼法律上面的條件我都曉得那接下來我就請問到底現在陳局院長他拋棄了什麼他的本奉拋棄了嗎他的月奉他每個月的薪水拋棄\n\n11:19.870 --> 11:44.856\n是被拋棄了然後他的特殊費沒有特殊費衡院長沒有特殊費不是我們今年的特殊費是全部都刪除好那就是他的月奉有拋棄然後呢其他的健保還有宮保還有院長的薪奉薪奉是有拋棄這樣自願繳回這樣自願繳回全數都繳回\n\n11:49.746 --> 12:11.078\n這個如果是現象的部分是不是全數都繳回嗎還是有部分項目是沒有繳的嗎是沒有拋棄的對不起是沒有拋棄的我院長的新縫是有拋棄的所以新縫是全數包含各式各樣的加擠福利是不是那所以他現在的公保跟健保是誰負擔沒有人負擔嗎這位人員也有公保跟健保\n\n12:21.181 --> 12:41.602\n這個部分的話我希望監察院要提供給我一個清楚的一個報告因為我想國人是有權利知道到底現在院長說他自己自動拋棄薪水那麼這些薪水的範圍是什麼當然現在政務人員應該是沒有所謂的這個休假的獎金這些應該是沒有嘛他就是主要就是由他的\n\n12:44.184 --> 12:50.047\n鳳擠就是月鳳還加上他的什麼專業家擠或是植物家擠這些來組成那這總之希望我請秘書長這裡要提供一個下禮拜就提供給我一份就是陳菊院長他拋棄新鳳的這個範圍\n\n13:02.199 --> 13:17.473\n的說明好那最後我最後一個題目因為今天時間有限那我還是要說明一下我們會依法依法提供資料依法因為還是有有相關的法規的限制他一定是一個個人資料是謝謝委員\n\n13:18.223 --> 13:47.723\n竟然陳菊院長都說他拋棄薪資拋棄薪資的範圍我覺得這是全民應該有權利可以知道的事情他到底薪資的組成就政務人員的薪資的組成這不是秘密是不是這不是秘密嘛對不對但是你監察院提出來的資料這個就是一個公開是可驗證的一個訊息所以如果他是拋棄的是政務人員他現在當院長領了三四十萬的薪水全部的薪水的這個資訊這倒為什麼不能公開這並不是秘密啊\n\n13:48.683 --> 14:12.974\n對不對否則的話這個讓大家對於陳菊院長的話沒有信任覺得說她說要拋棄結果可能事實上根本沒有拋棄或只拋棄一小部分好那最後我要講的就是監察院的立法計畫監察院對於立法委員們所提出我這次看到你們監察院提出的立法計畫裡面似乎完全沒有follow立法委員們所提出的相關的立法或修法建議\n\n14:14.461 --> 14:34.561\n監察院是對於立法委員所提出的修法案是無動於衷嗎包含好對不起最後一分鐘包含本席所提出的監察委員行為法以及許曉欣和文宏偉委員他們提出的監察院的組織法修法現在監察院的立場是什麼樣是完全都不想要提出相關的修法嗎\n\n14:36.639 --> 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我想請問我想請問王副秘的就是大家知道這兩年來其實這個陸委會對於這個陸配是這個極盡百般刁難那麼對於陸配人權的問題國家人權委員會這邊有沒有"},{"start":356.857,"end":378.106,"text":"立案調查有沒有去了解這個事情大家知道其實陸委會他現在所做的這些措施基本上他是違反法律保留原則的而且還將這個本來根本不應該適用這個後來在民國就是後來這個修法的相關的規定然後又溯及既往的讓很多的陸配幾十萬的陸配"},{"start":379.366,"end":397.294,"text":"然後重新回去去申請什麼放棄大陸戶籍證明等等那麼還有就是驅逐陸配出境這些其實都是很嚴重會已經侵害到陸配人權的問題然後影響到他們的家庭權親子權那麼對於這部分我們國家人權委員會都沒有調查嗎"},{"start":398.394,"end":418.533,"text":"就是跟委員說明有關於陸配的相關的權益的部分是已經納入兩公約的獨立評估意見裡面有說明那獨立評估意見在下半年會對外公佈然後這是第一點那第二點是有關於監察權的部分"},{"start":419.633,"end":434.119,"text":"陸配的這樣子的一個權益的照顧的部分我們內政及族群委員會已經有決議通過了就是把我們去巡查的時候會去特別關注這個議題"},{"start":435.419,"end":460.448,"text":"所以這就是大家就在講就是國家人權委員會到底設了有什麼功能國家人權委員會目前每年編列預算是1.1億到1.2億之間那麼你們判理的基本上都是看起來無關緊要真正的對於台灣的人權迫害或有侵害的事情你們卻沒有積極的處理這讓大家覺得說我們國家人權委員會設置到底有"},{"start":461.847,"end":478.062,"text":"對於台灣的人權保障提升有所注意嗎並沒有從勞動權利然後剛剛講的那些新著名的權利人權然後已經產生了這麼大的爭議監察院仍然是袖手旁觀國家人權委員會的委員們袖手旁觀這讓人家很難"},{"start":483.871,"end":489.178,"text":"很難會認為我們是否有成立國家人權委員會的這個必要或者是說我們要投入更多的資源去支持國家人權委員會所以在這邊呢本席也要提醒這個王複密回去轉告人權委員會的委員們"},{"start":500.073,"end":527.659,"text":"這些事件都要趕快處理要積極的去調查 去了解到底行政機關在處理這些事情的時候是不是有違反比例原則違反法律保留原則我們畢竟還是一個依法行政的國家人權保障是非常重要的一件事情政治是政治 但是我們回歸到法律的層面來還是必須要依法行政而且要注意到人權保障這個才是非常重要的事情好 那接下來第三個問題 很快問"},{"start":530.035,"end":552.766,"text":"我們知道這個陳菊院長從去年12月請假以來將近快要一年的時間那當然本席在這邊也希望她能夠早日康復不過事實上就是因為陳菊院長的健康的狀況然後始終沒有辦法就復職那也造成就是監察院現在一直處於就是無院長的狀態就是由副院長來代理院長這也會影響到整個監察院的運作"},{"start":555.467,"end":581.292,"text":"那麼在這樣的一個情形之下當然本席是認為為了考慮到監察院的運作還有也同時要顧好這個陳院長的健康如果他能夠自行請辭那當然是最好但是以現在狀況來講的話他一直沒有動作那外界一直認為說他是不是在這段時間裡面還是有領薪水那當然監察院有發了新聞稿說陳院長基本上是沒有領薪水"},{"start":582.625,"end":606.553,"text":"拋棄薪資那我這邊我就想進步的問一下問幾個問題第一個就是監察委員他本身就是廣義的政務人員他本身應該是不適用於公務人員請假規則那麼甚至連這個所謂拋棄薪資的部分他是不是是他現在的拋棄薪資的狀況是依照公務人員的這個當時全區部的函式裡面的做法拋棄薪資嗎"},{"start":610.131,"end":630.478,"text":"第一個是有關院長的任命是總統的職權然後依照監察院的組織法第六條那如果院長因故不能逝世的時候是由副院長來代理那監察院的職權不管是憲政職權法定職權都非常正常而且謹慎的在運作中"},{"start":631.078,"end":647.629,"text":"那至於說院長請假的部分是依據公務員請假規則第三條第一項的規定來辦理那至於政務人員的部分是準用的那至於說委員所提到有關於信奉的部分因為不管依照"},{"start":648.57,"end":671.921,"text":"法務部或是詮釋部的函事有關於公務員的薪奉的部分是屬於公務員對國家的公法上的請求權那不管在法律法理或者是實務上面他都是可以全部或者是部分來拋棄不用講這麼法律上面的條件我都曉得那接下來我就請問到底現在陳局院長他拋棄了什麼他的本奉拋棄了嗎他的月奉他每個月的薪水拋棄"},{"start":679.87,"end":704.856,"text":"是被拋棄了 然後他的特殊費沒有特殊費衡院長沒有特殊費不是 我們今年的特殊費是全部都刪除好 那就是他的月奉有拋棄然後呢其他的健保還有宮保 還有院長的薪奉薪奉是有拋棄這樣 自願繳回這樣自願繳回 全數都繳回"},{"start":709.746,"end":731.078,"text":"這個如果是現象的部分是不是全數都繳回嗎還是有部分項目是沒有繳的嗎是沒有拋棄的對不起是沒有拋棄的我院長的新縫是有拋棄的所以新縫是全數包含各式各樣的加擠福利是不是那所以他現在的公保跟健保是誰負擔沒有人負擔嗎這位人員也有公保跟健保"},{"start":741.181,"end":761.602,"text":"這個部分的話我希望監察院要提供給我一個清楚的一個報告因為我想國人是有權利知道到底現在院長說他自己自動拋棄薪水那麼這些薪水的範圍是什麼當然現在政務人員應該是沒有所謂的這個休假的獎金這些應該是沒有嘛他就是主要就是由他的"},{"start":764.184,"end":770.047,"text":"鳳擠就是月鳳還加上他的什麼專業家擠或是植物家擠這些來組成那這總之希望我請秘書長這裡要提供一個下禮拜就提供給我一份就是陳菊院長他拋棄新鳳的這個範圍"},{"start":782.199,"end":797.473,"text":"的說明好那最後我最後一個題目因為今天時間有限那我還是要說明一下我們會依法依法提供資料依法因為還是有有相關的法規的限制他一定是一個個人資料是謝謝委員"},{"start":798.223,"end":827.723,"text":"竟然陳菊院長都說他拋棄薪資拋棄薪資的範圍我覺得這是全民應該有權利可以知道的事情他到底薪資的組成就政務人員的薪資的組成這不是秘密是不是這不是秘密嘛對不對但是你監察院提出來的資料這個就是一個公開是可驗證的一個訊息所以如果他是拋棄的是政務人員他現在當院長領了三四十萬的薪水全部的薪水的這個資訊這倒為什麼不能公開這並不是秘密啊"},{"start":828.683,"end":852.974,"text":"對不對 否則的話 這個讓大家對於陳菊院長的話沒有信任覺得說她說要拋棄 結果可能事實上根本沒有拋棄或只拋棄一小部分好 那最後我要講的就是監察院的立法計畫監察院對於立法委員們所提出我這次看到你們監察院提出的立法計畫裡面似乎完全沒有follow立法委員們所提出的相關的立法或修法建議"},{"start":854.461,"end":874.561,"text":"監察院是對於立法委員所提出的修法案是無動於衷嗎包含 好 對不起 最後一分鐘包含本席所提出的監察委員行為法以及許曉欣和文宏偉委員他們提出的監察院的組織法修法現在監察院的立場是什麼樣是完全都不想要提出相關的修法嗎"},{"start":876.639,"end":890.644,"text":"這個有關於法案的提案權當然是立法委員的權限的憲政權限那這個三個 剛剛委員所提到的三個法規沒有包含在監察院今年的立法計畫裡面是 在去年也沒有"},{"start":891.264,"end":914.481,"text":"以前兩三個會期 四個會期都沒有所以本期要在這邊提醒就說是監察院的立法計畫應該也要關注立法委員們所提出的相關法案而不是很消極的然後提了一些基本上根本你們我看不出來你們這年的立法計畫有要提出什麼項目所以這也會讓人家認為說監察院基本上真的功能不彰好 以上謝謝好 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