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00:02:19,405\n我應該這麼講其實貿易的自由化過程中零關稅不一定是很可怕如果零關稅是對台灣國內產業是有幫助的我剛才說的像這些我們需要的可能未來關稅調整變零關稅的品項大概有多少這個現在還沒有辦法去做統計跟確認\n\n7\n00:02:21,561 --> 00:02:44,736\n好所以這部分你認為說最後跟美國談判的結論不會損及台灣的農業產業我想因為台灣的農業產業有不同的面向但是我們會針對糧食安全而且我們會確保農民的權益那有可能會有一些部分的衝擊的時候我們也會有因應的過程那你說可能就是說在你談判過程中有一些的關稅會對現有的這個農業產業\n\n8\n00:02:48,838 --> 00:03:09,833\n有一些影響的時候我們就會有一些支持方案對你的支持方案你現在就要開始對現在我們其實已經在擬定了而且我們有相關的這些分類大概分為三類一類就是對我們的產業是完全沒有影響的而且對臺灣產業是好的這是一類另外一類就是如果他開放更多的進口的時候\n\n9\n00:03:10,313 --> 00:03:26,974\n那它進口也不會影響國內是什麼進口國彼此之間的替代那這個替代總量在那邊了也不會有什麼影響但是可能還是有一些少部分是可能會有替代的影響的時候但是這個時候我們就有一些支持性的措施去支持我們的產業發展\n\n10\n00:03:28,365 --> 00:03:53,899\n所以這最後的你說是三大類你什麼時候可以做最後的明確或者對讓所有的這個國人都能夠了解對這個如果說一旦確認了以後我們就會立即的提出我們相對應的措施那這個採購的這個方面呢那採購的部分其實農產品的採購跟關稅不是直接有關聯性但有關聯性怎麼去平衡這個對美國\n\n11\n00:03:57,719 --> 00:04:22,318\n就是說縮小對美國的這個貿易順差嘛就是他們所關心的第一個就是舊農業的部分我們的對美國的採購絕對不是正午出資我要先說明這一點是業者年度的需要我們希望說他透過聯合的採購能夠降低更多的這個價格那這樣的話進來以後對國內產業沒有影響這些清單以大是美方提出的嘛對不對\n\n12\n00:04:23,118 --> 00:04:47,354\n清單都是美方提出的你們希望說有民間去聯合採購不是用政府的預算去對美採購而且這個採購是國內需要的而且是國內對國內失能成本降低是有幫助的現在出估規模有多少我們說的就是現在我們對美採購的部分就是聯合採購的部分就是業者自己的就是4年100億美金那這個就是黃豆玉米小麥\n\n13\n00:04:48,935 --> 00:05:01,779\n黃小玉對黃豆的話大概只有佔0.我們自己率只有0.2非常低都是靠國外進來做飼料用的玉米也是一樣所以相對的這些東西不會影響到國內的產業除了這三項之外呢\n\n14\n00:05:02,912 --> 00:05:25,125\n美方有沒有其他要求我們採購現在目前就是黃豆玉米小麥跟牛肉這四種沒有其他的對那牛肉我們的自給率只有4.6餘產品呢餘產品沒有在採購範圍之內就是黃小玉加上牛肉我們這四年的採購就是這四種所以四種加起來四年你說幾年四年大概100億美金100億美金大概是3000億左右\n\n15\n00:05:28,427 --> 00:05:33,041\n然後我如果說看過去五年每一年都有浮動也大概這個額度\n\n16\n00:05:34,622 --> 00:06:03,438\n那民间有那么大的需求吗绝对有我们的估计大概就是因为这些估计也是业者自己估计的不是我们政府强压他要买多少我要特别说明这一点这完全是业者自己提出来的我们做一个平台然后希望说透过这种台美关系的关系的友好关系的一个建立可以理解另外我们这个日本的五线市\n\n17\n00:06:04,378 --> 00:06:13,007\n的這個農運產品現在輸到台灣來進口這個出口到台灣需不需要還要再檢驗應該是不用吧\n\n18\n00:06:14,329 --> 00:06:41,121\n輔導五縣市輔導五縣市這應該衛福部衛福部主管的但是這個當然農業產品主要是農業產品農業產品你跟衛福部協調這當然是日方很關心的那到底我們還有沒有針對這五縣市有特別的管制事項這個誰比較了解農業部都已經回到例行性的這個查驗無差別待遇嗎\n\n19\n00:06:42,594 --> 00:07:05,343\n是跟其他的日本的縣市可能我會有在提供給會有在提供給委員因為我沒辦法確定因為這個日方也一直跟我表達是有點歧視性的對這五縣市的食品如果有加強檢驗或者是額外檢驗的話這他們一些國會議員他們也很關心對我想對農業的部分我們是沒有啦但是衛福部的部分我想農業都沒有嗎\n\n20\n00:07:06,843 --> 00:07:28,840\n我們是沒有我們以農業必須負責的我們是沒有沒有差別大一點沒有也沒有農業沒有但是其他的品項可能有其他品項就衛福部我們再去了解一下食品是衛福部剛好署長也上來這個興達港這個情人碼頭大部分土地\n\n21\n00:07:29,660 --> 00:07:56,248\n是屬於月屬對不對那當然你在那邊沒有一個未來的規劃很可惜啊我每天經過那邊就有點心酸了過去在高雄縣時代是一個情人碼頭規劃得不錯而且國慶煙火還有一年在情人碼頭施放聚集十萬人去觀看所以這個未來怎麼樣去活化再造這個所謂情人碼頭因為主要地主還是月屬\n\n22\n00:07:57,468 --> 00:08:12,255\n小部分是國產署這部分漁業署有沒有什麼想法跟委員報告其實它的土地全署的部分還有一部分是高雄市政府我了解啊但是大部分是屬於漁業署那個地方我想委員非常清楚我們其實活化過了三四輪\n\n23\n00:08:13,174 --> 00:08:31,941\n那他基本上還是缺少一些群聚的效果所以整個活化的效果一直都很不好那當然這一個部分我們是希望因為現在興達興達港的部分現在是已經歸為二類漁港是高雄市政府的全屬他如何結合他的觀光跟\n\n24\n00:08:32,761 --> 00:08:56,022\n都計單位就那周邊去做整體發展我想未來是比較有空間我要拜託署長是不是召集高雄市政府這個海洋局來或者國產署大家召開會議怎麼樣去活化讓這個新的碼頭風華再現是不是你可以召集一下會議委員這一個我們會來處理另外再30秒就是洋價\n\n25\n00:08:58,154 --> 00:09:27,590\n羊的價格一直跌破新低所以這個乳羊產業這10年來很慘我們對農業部對養羊的這個產業有沒有一個所謂短中長期的相關的扶植計畫我跟委員報告就是我們當初在處理牛的時候我們也注意到羊價在這一年來它的價格的降低所以我也要求了我們畜牧師要提出一個短中長的那短期的部分有一些必須要去處理的時候\n\n26\n00:09:28,010 --> 00:09:47,265\n因為他量多的時候我們會協助他去做加工或者是做冷凍處理但是這只是短期而已應該有更長期的這些飼養的這些政策要出來這個部分是不是請畜牧師拜託是不是跟我們高雄的或者台南的養羊業者做一些座談讓他們了解政府的扶植措施短中長期\n\n27\n00:09:49,186 --> 00:10:17,468\n这个我们立即来做你们私人报告有提到任性渔港我想署长也很清楚任性渔港你们罗列几个建设成果我这边有待完成事项我会后再交给部长再请部长跟署长能够大力支持全部在我选区而且都期待中央的经费的挹注如果没挹注这渔港就会没有任性了解待会我再提供给你们我们尽量来努力谢谢谢谢邱志伟委员之许\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4707\t21805\t沒有 剛剛已經先休息了因為剛剛那個了 對好 謝謝是不是請農業部陳部長我們請農業部陳部長\n31349\t51135\t幾個問題想請教您對美國的關稅談判現在還在進行當中有沒有最新的談判的狀況關於農業產品的部分我想整個的談判還在過關稅也好或者是對他們的採購的品項跟金額有沒有最新的進度\n51994\t79515\t不過我想現在因為談判到最後的一個階段然後技術性的談判大概大致上完成那我剛才說的就是技術性的談判是指哪些就是有一些就是個別就是在在所謂的技術階層的談判有沒有那但是最後其實是很細節的部分包括說關稅的稅率是多少因為所謂的關稅裡面他的項目太多哪一些關稅哪一些沒有哪一些品項那因為\n80456\t100606\t美國跟台灣各有希望堅持或期待的資料那你是說技術面談得差不多的就是大致上啦 大致上但是還會 還是持續在做一些溝通啦那我剛才說的所以說技術面關於個別品項的就是關稅大概這個台美雙方都已經有一些的這個公式有一些初步的想法彼此之間都有些初步的想法\n102347\t117284\t這個關於農業產品的部分呢農業產品本身我一開始就強調我一定是在確保糧食安全的部分所以針對糧食安全有關的這些品項我們一定會有希望說能夠爭取到不會對這個懺悔的過程中或者懺悔的最後結論不會對農業產業造成任何的衝擊跟影響\n121277\t139405\t我應該這麼講其實貿易的自由化過程中零關稅不一定是很可怕如果零關稅是對台灣國內產業是有幫助的我剛才說的像這些我們需要的可能未來關稅調整變零關稅的品項大概有多少這個現在還沒有辦法去做統計跟確認\n141561\t164736\t好 所以這部分你認為說最後跟美國談判的結論不會損及台灣的農業產業我想因為台灣的農業產業有不同的面向但是我們會針對糧食安全而且我們會確保農民的權益那有可能會有一些部分的衝擊的時候我們也會有因應的過程那你說可能就是說在你談判過程中有一些的關稅會對現有的這個農業產業\n168838\t189833\t有一些影響的時候我們就會有一些支持方案對 你的支持方案你現在就要開始對 現在我們其實已經在擬定了而且我們有相關的這些分類大概分為三類一類就是對我們的產業是完全沒有影響的而且對臺灣產業是好的這是一類另外一類就是如果他開放更多的進口的時候\n190313\t206974\t那它進口也不會影響國內是什麼進口國彼此之間的替代那這個替代總量在那邊了也不會有什麼影響但是可能還是有一些少部分是可能會有替代的影響的時候但是這個時候我們就有一些支持性的措施去支持我們的產業發展\n208365\t233899\t所以這最後的 你說是三大類你什麼時候可以做最後的明確或者對讓所有的這個國人都能夠了解對 這個如果說一旦確認了以後我們就會立即的提出我們相對應的措施那這個採購的這個方面呢那採購的部分其實農產品的採購跟關稅不是直接有關聯性 但有關聯性怎麼去平衡這個對美國\n237719\t262318\t就是說縮小對美國的這個貿易順差嘛就是他們所關心的第一個就是舊農業的部分我們的對美國的採購絕對不是正午出資我要先說明這一點是業者年度的需要我們希望說他透過聯合的採購能夠降低更多的這個價格那這樣的話進來以後對國內產業沒有影響這些清單以大是美方提出的嘛對不對\n263118\t287354\t清單都是美方提出的你們希望說有民間去聯合採購不是用政府的預算去對美採購而且這個採購是國內需要的而且是國內對國內失能成本降低是有幫助的現在出估規模有多少我們說的就是現在我們對美採購的部分就是聯合採購的部分就是業者自己的就是4年100億美金那這個就是黃豆玉米小麥\n288935\t301779\t黃小玉對黃豆的話大概只有佔0.我們自己率只有0.2非常低都是靠國外進來做飼料用的玉米也是一樣所以相對的這些東西不會影響到國內的產業除了這三項之外呢\n302912\t325125\t美方有沒有其他要求我們採購現在目前就是黃豆玉米小麥跟牛肉這四種沒有其他的對 那牛肉我們的自給率只有4.6餘產品呢餘產品沒有在採購範圍之內就是黃小玉加上牛肉我們這四年的採購就是這四種所以四種加起來四年你說幾年四年大概100億美金100億美金大概是3000億左右\n328427\t333041\t然後我如果說看過去五年每一年都有浮動也大概這個額度\n334622\t363438\t那民间有那么大的需求吗绝对有我们的估计大概就是因为这些估计也是业者自己估计的不是我们政府强压他要买多少我要特别说明这一点这完全是业者自己提出来的我们做一个平台然后希望说透过这种台美关系的关系的友好关系的一个建立可以理解另外我们这个日本的五线市\n364378\t373007\t的這個農運產品現在輸到台灣來進口這個出口到台灣需不需要還要再檢驗應該是不用吧\n374329\t401121\t輔導五縣市輔導五縣市這應該衛福部衛福部主管的但是這個當然農業產品主要是農業產品農業產品你跟衛福部協調這當然是日方很關心的那到底我們還有沒有針對這五縣市有特別的管制事項這個誰比較了解農業部都已經回到例行性的這個查驗無差別待遇嗎\n402594\t425343\t是跟其他的日本的縣市可能我會有在提供給會有在提供給委員因為我沒辦法確定因為這個日方也一直跟我表達是有點歧視性的對這五縣市的食品如果有加強檢驗或者是額外檢驗的話這他們一些國會議員他們也很關心對我想對農業的部分我們是沒有啦但是衛福部的部分我想農業都沒有嗎\n426843\t448840\t我們是沒有我們以農業必須負責的我們是沒有沒有差別大一點沒有也沒有農業沒有但是其他的品項可能有其他品項就衛福部我們再去了解一下食品是衛福部剛好署長也上來這個興達港這個情人碼頭大部分土地\n449660\t476248\t是屬於月屬對不對那當然你在那邊沒有一個未來的規劃很可惜啊我每天經過那邊就有點心酸了過去在高雄縣時代是一個情人碼頭規劃得不錯而且國慶煙火還有一年在情人碼頭施放聚集十萬人去觀看所以這個未來怎麼樣去活化再造這個所謂情人碼頭因為主要地主還是月屬\n477468\t492255\t小部分是國產署這部分漁業署有沒有什麼想法跟委員報告其實它的土地全署的部分還有一部分是高雄市政府我了解啊但是大部分是屬於漁業署那個地方我想委員非常清楚我們其實活化過了三四輪\n493174\t511941\t那他基本上還是缺少一些群聚的效果所以整個活化的效果一直都很不好那當然這一個部分我們是希望因為現在興達興達港的部分現在是已經歸為二類漁港是高雄市政府的全屬他如何結合他的觀光跟\n512761\t536022\t都計單位就那周邊去做整體發展我想未來是比較有空間我要拜託署長是不是召集高雄市政府這個海洋局來或者國產署大家召開會議怎麼樣去活化讓這個新的碼頭風華再現是不是你可以召集一下會議委員這一個我們會來處理另外再30秒就是洋價\n538154\t567590\t羊的價格一直跌破新低所以這個乳羊產業這10年來很慘我們對農業部對養羊的這個產業有沒有一個所謂短中長期的相關的扶植計畫我跟委員報告就是我們當初在處理牛的時候我們也注意到羊價在這一年來它的價格的降低所以我也要求了我們畜牧師要提出一個短中長的那短期的部分有一些必須要去處理的時候\n568010\t587265\t因為他量多的時候我們會協助他去做加工或者是做冷凍處理但是這只是短期而已應該有更長期的這些飼養的這些政策要出來這個部分是不是請畜牧師拜託是不是跟我們高雄的或者台南的養羊業者做一些座談讓他們了解政府的扶植措施短中長期\n589186\t617468\t这个我们立即来做你们私人报告有提到任性渔港我想署长也很清楚任性渔港你们罗列几个建设成果我这边有待完成事项我会后再交给部长再请部长跟署长能够大力支持全部在我选区而且都期待中央的经费的挹注如果没挹注这渔港就会没有任性了解待会我再提供给你们我们尽量来努力谢谢谢谢邱志伟委员之许\n","txt":"沒有 剛剛已經先休息了因為剛剛那個了 對好 謝謝是不是請農業部陳部長我們請農業部陳部長\n幾個問題想請教您對美國的關稅談判現在還在進行當中有沒有最新的談判的狀況關於農業產品的部分我想整個的談判還在過關稅也好或者是對他們的採購的品項跟金額有沒有最新的進度\n不過我想現在因為談判到最後的一個階段然後技術性的談判大概大致上完成那我剛才說的就是技術性的談判是指哪些就是有一些就是個別就是在在所謂的技術階層的談判有沒有那但是最後其實是很細節的部分包括說關稅的稅率是多少因為所謂的關稅裡面他的項目太多哪一些關稅哪一些沒有哪一些品項那因為\n美國跟台灣各有希望堅持或期待的資料那你是說技術面談得差不多的就是大致上啦 大致上但是還會 還是持續在做一些溝通啦那我剛才說的所以說技術面關於個別品項的就是關稅大概這個台美雙方都已經有一些的這個公式有一些初步的想法彼此之間都有些初步的想法\n這個關於農業產品的部分呢農業產品本身我一開始就強調我一定是在確保糧食安全的部分所以針對糧食安全有關的這些品項我們一定會有希望說能夠爭取到不會對這個懺悔的過程中或者懺悔的最後結論不會對農業產業造成任何的衝擊跟影響\n我應該這麼講其實貿易的自由化過程中零關稅不一定是很可怕如果零關稅是對台灣國內產業是有幫助的我剛才說的像這些我們需要的可能未來關稅調整變零關稅的品項大概有多少這個現在還沒有辦法去做統計跟確認\n好 所以這部分你認為說最後跟美國談判的結論不會損及台灣的農業產業我想因為台灣的農業產業有不同的面向但是我們會針對糧食安全而且我們會確保農民的權益那有可能會有一些部分的衝擊的時候我們也會有因應的過程那你說可能就是說在你談判過程中有一些的關稅會對現有的這個農業產業\n有一些影響的時候我們就會有一些支持方案對 你的支持方案你現在就要開始對 現在我們其實已經在擬定了而且我們有相關的這些分類大概分為三類一類就是對我們的產業是完全沒有影響的而且對臺灣產業是好的這是一類另外一類就是如果他開放更多的進口的時候\n那它進口也不會影響國內是什麼進口國彼此之間的替代那這個替代總量在那邊了也不會有什麼影響但是可能還是有一些少部分是可能會有替代的影響的時候但是這個時候我們就有一些支持性的措施去支持我們的產業發展\n所以這最後的 你說是三大類你什麼時候可以做最後的明確或者對讓所有的這個國人都能夠了解對 這個如果說一旦確認了以後我們就會立即的提出我們相對應的措施那這個採購的這個方面呢那採購的部分其實農產品的採購跟關稅不是直接有關聯性 但有關聯性怎麼去平衡這個對美國\n就是說縮小對美國的這個貿易順差嘛就是他們所關心的第一個就是舊農業的部分我們的對美國的採購絕對不是正午出資我要先說明這一點是業者年度的需要我們希望說他透過聯合的採購能夠降低更多的這個價格那這樣的話進來以後對國內產業沒有影響這些清單以大是美方提出的嘛對不對\n清單都是美方提出的你們希望說有民間去聯合採購不是用政府的預算去對美採購而且這個採購是國內需要的而且是國內對國內失能成本降低是有幫助的現在出估規模有多少我們說的就是現在我們對美採購的部分就是聯合採購的部分就是業者自己的就是4年100億美金那這個就是黃豆玉米小麥\n黃小玉對黃豆的話大概只有佔0.我們自己率只有0.2非常低都是靠國外進來做飼料用的玉米也是一樣所以相對的這些東西不會影響到國內的產業除了這三項之外呢\n美方有沒有其他要求我們採購現在目前就是黃豆玉米小麥跟牛肉這四種沒有其他的對 那牛肉我們的自給率只有4.6餘產品呢餘產品沒有在採購範圍之內就是黃小玉加上牛肉我們這四年的採購就是這四種所以四種加起來四年你說幾年四年大概100億美金100億美金大概是3000億左右\n然後我如果說看過去五年每一年都有浮動也大概這個額度\n那民间有那么大的需求吗绝对有我们的估计大概就是因为这些估计也是业者自己估计的不是我们政府强压他要买多少我要特别说明这一点这完全是业者自己提出来的我们做一个平台然后希望说透过这种台美关系的关系的友好关系的一个建立可以理解另外我们这个日本的五线市\n的這個農運產品現在輸到台灣來進口這個出口到台灣需不需要還要再檢驗應該是不用吧\n輔導五縣市輔導五縣市這應該衛福部衛福部主管的但是這個當然農業產品主要是農業產品農業產品你跟衛福部協調這當然是日方很關心的那到底我們還有沒有針對這五縣市有特別的管制事項這個誰比較了解農業部都已經回到例行性的這個查驗無差別待遇嗎\n是跟其他的日本的縣市可能我會有在提供給會有在提供給委員因為我沒辦法確定因為這個日方也一直跟我表達是有點歧視性的對這五縣市的食品如果有加強檢驗或者是額外檢驗的話這他們一些國會議員他們也很關心對我想對農業的部分我們是沒有啦但是衛福部的部分我想農業都沒有嗎\n我們是沒有我們以農業必須負責的我們是沒有沒有差別大一點沒有也沒有農業沒有但是其他的品項可能有其他品項就衛福部我們再去了解一下食品是衛福部剛好署長也上來這個興達港這個情人碼頭大部分土地\n是屬於月屬對不對那當然你在那邊沒有一個未來的規劃很可惜啊我每天經過那邊就有點心酸了過去在高雄縣時代是一個情人碼頭規劃得不錯而且國慶煙火還有一年在情人碼頭施放聚集十萬人去觀看所以這個未來怎麼樣去活化再造這個所謂情人碼頭因為主要地主還是月屬\n小部分是國產署這部分漁業署有沒有什麼想法跟委員報告其實它的土地全署的部分還有一部分是高雄市政府我了解啊但是大部分是屬於漁業署那個地方我想委員非常清楚我們其實活化過了三四輪\n那他基本上還是缺少一些群聚的效果所以整個活化的效果一直都很不好那當然這一個部分我們是希望因為現在興達興達港的部分現在是已經歸為二類漁港是高雄市政府的全屬他如何結合他的觀光跟\n都計單位就那周邊去做整體發展我想未來是比較有空間我要拜託署長是不是召集高雄市政府這個海洋局來或者國產署大家召開會議怎麼樣去活化讓這個新的碼頭風華再現是不是你可以召集一下會議委員這一個我們會來處理另外再30秒就是洋價\n羊的價格一直跌破新低所以這個乳羊產業這10年來很慘我們對農業部對養羊的這個產業有沒有一個所謂短中長期的相關的扶植計畫我跟委員報告就是我們當初在處理牛的時候我們也注意到羊價在這一年來它的價格的降低所以我也要求了我們畜牧師要提出一個短中長的那短期的部分有一些必須要去處理的時候\n因為他量多的時候我們會協助他去做加工或者是做冷凍處理但是這只是短期而已應該有更長期的這些飼養的這些政策要出來這個部分是不是請畜牧師拜託是不是跟我們高雄的或者台南的養羊業者做一些座談讓他們了解政府的扶植措施短中長期\n这个我们立即来做你们私人报告有提到任性渔港我想署长也很清楚任性渔港你们罗列几个建设成果我这边有待完成事项我会后再交给部长再请部长跟署长能够大力支持全部在我选区而且都期待中央的经费的挹注如果没挹注这渔港就会没有任性了解待会我再提供给你们我们尽量来努力谢谢谢谢邱志伟委员之许\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.707 --> 00:21.805\n沒有剛剛已經先休息了因為剛剛那個了對好謝謝是不是請農業部陳部長我們請農業部陳部長\n\n00:31.349 --> 00:51.135\n幾個問題想請教您對美國的關稅談判現在還在進行當中有沒有最新的談判的狀況關於農業產品的部分我想整個的談判還在過關稅也好或者是對他們的採購的品項跟金額有沒有最新的進度\n\n00:51.994 --> 01:19.515\n不過我想現在因為談判到最後的一個階段然後技術性的談判大概大致上完成那我剛才說的就是技術性的談判是指哪些就是有一些就是個別就是在在所謂的技術階層的談判有沒有那但是最後其實是很細節的部分包括說關稅的稅率是多少因為所謂的關稅裡面他的項目太多哪一些關稅哪一些沒有哪一些品項那因為\n\n01:20.456 --> 01:40.606\n美國跟台灣各有希望堅持或期待的資料那你是說技術面談得差不多的就是大致上啦大致上但是還會還是持續在做一些溝通啦那我剛才說的所以說技術面關於個別品項的就是關稅大概這個台美雙方都已經有一些的這個公式有一些初步的想法彼此之間都有些初步的想法\n\n01:42.347 --> 01:57.284\n這個關於農業產品的部分呢農業產品本身我一開始就強調我一定是在確保糧食安全的部分所以針對糧食安全有關的這些品項我們一定會有希望說能夠爭取到不會對這個懺悔的過程中或者懺悔的最後結論不會對農業產業造成任何的衝擊跟影響\n\n02:01.277 --> 02:19.405\n我應該這麼講其實貿易的自由化過程中零關稅不一定是很可怕如果零關稅是對台灣國內產業是有幫助的我剛才說的像這些我們需要的可能未來關稅調整變零關稅的品項大概有多少這個現在還沒有辦法去做統計跟確認\n\n02:21.561 --> 02:44.736\n好所以這部分你認為說最後跟美國談判的結論不會損及台灣的農業產業我想因為台灣的農業產業有不同的面向但是我們會針對糧食安全而且我們會確保農民的權益那有可能會有一些部分的衝擊的時候我們也會有因應的過程那你說可能就是說在你談判過程中有一些的關稅會對現有的這個農業產業\n\n02:48.838 --> 03:09.833\n有一些影響的時候我們就會有一些支持方案對你的支持方案你現在就要開始對現在我們其實已經在擬定了而且我們有相關的這些分類大概分為三類一類就是對我們的產業是完全沒有影響的而且對臺灣產業是好的這是一類另外一類就是如果他開放更多的進口的時候\n\n03:10.313 --> 03:26.974\n那它進口也不會影響國內是什麼進口國彼此之間的替代那這個替代總量在那邊了也不會有什麼影響但是可能還是有一些少部分是可能會有替代的影響的時候但是這個時候我們就有一些支持性的措施去支持我們的產業發展\n\n03:28.365 --> 03:53.899\n所以這最後的你說是三大類你什麼時候可以做最後的明確或者對讓所有的這個國人都能夠了解對這個如果說一旦確認了以後我們就會立即的提出我們相對應的措施那這個採購的這個方面呢那採購的部分其實農產品的採購跟關稅不是直接有關聯性但有關聯性怎麼去平衡這個對美國\n\n03:57.719 --> 04:22.318\n就是說縮小對美國的這個貿易順差嘛就是他們所關心的第一個就是舊農業的部分我們的對美國的採購絕對不是正午出資我要先說明這一點是業者年度的需要我們希望說他透過聯合的採購能夠降低更多的這個價格那這樣的話進來以後對國內產業沒有影響這些清單以大是美方提出的嘛對不對\n\n04:23.118 --> 04:47.354\n清單都是美方提出的你們希望說有民間去聯合採購不是用政府的預算去對美採購而且這個採購是國內需要的而且是國內對國內失能成本降低是有幫助的現在出估規模有多少我們說的就是現在我們對美採購的部分就是聯合採購的部分就是業者自己的就是4年100億美金那這個就是黃豆玉米小麥\n\n04:48.935 --> 05:01.779\n黃小玉對黃豆的話大概只有佔0.我們自己率只有0.2非常低都是靠國外進來做飼料用的玉米也是一樣所以相對的這些東西不會影響到國內的產業除了這三項之外呢\n\n05:02.912 --> 05:25.125\n美方有沒有其他要求我們採購現在目前就是黃豆玉米小麥跟牛肉這四種沒有其他的對那牛肉我們的自給率只有4.6餘產品呢餘產品沒有在採購範圍之內就是黃小玉加上牛肉我們這四年的採購就是這四種所以四種加起來四年你說幾年四年大概100億美金100億美金大概是3000億左右\n\n05:28.427 --> 05:33.041\n然後我如果說看過去五年每一年都有浮動也大概這個額度\n\n05:34.622 --> 06:03.438\n那民间有那么大的需求吗绝对有我们的估计大概就是因为这些估计也是业者自己估计的不是我们政府强压他要买多少我要特别说明这一点这完全是业者自己提出来的我们做一个平台然后希望说透过这种台美关系的关系的友好关系的一个建立可以理解另外我们这个日本的五线市\n\n06:04.378 --> 06:13.007\n的這個農運產品現在輸到台灣來進口這個出口到台灣需不需要還要再檢驗應該是不用吧\n\n06:14.329 --> 06:41.121\n輔導五縣市輔導五縣市這應該衛福部衛福部主管的但是這個當然農業產品主要是農業產品農業產品你跟衛福部協調這當然是日方很關心的那到底我們還有沒有針對這五縣市有特別的管制事項這個誰比較了解農業部都已經回到例行性的這個查驗無差別待遇嗎\n\n06:42.594 --> 07:05.343\n是跟其他的日本的縣市可能我會有在提供給會有在提供給委員因為我沒辦法確定因為這個日方也一直跟我表達是有點歧視性的對這五縣市的食品如果有加強檢驗或者是額外檢驗的話這他們一些國會議員他們也很關心對我想對農業的部分我們是沒有啦但是衛福部的部分我想農業都沒有嗎\n\n07:06.843 --> 07:28.840\n我們是沒有我們以農業必須負責的我們是沒有沒有差別大一點沒有也沒有農業沒有但是其他的品項可能有其他品項就衛福部我們再去了解一下食品是衛福部剛好署長也上來這個興達港這個情人碼頭大部分土地\n\n07:29.660 --> 07:56.248\n是屬於月屬對不對那當然你在那邊沒有一個未來的規劃很可惜啊我每天經過那邊就有點心酸了過去在高雄縣時代是一個情人碼頭規劃得不錯而且國慶煙火還有一年在情人碼頭施放聚集十萬人去觀看所以這個未來怎麼樣去活化再造這個所謂情人碼頭因為主要地主還是月屬\n\n07:57.468 --> 08:12.255\n小部分是國產署這部分漁業署有沒有什麼想法跟委員報告其實它的土地全署的部分還有一部分是高雄市政府我了解啊但是大部分是屬於漁業署那個地方我想委員非常清楚我們其實活化過了三四輪\n\n08:13.174 --> 08:31.941\n那他基本上還是缺少一些群聚的效果所以整個活化的效果一直都很不好那當然這一個部分我們是希望因為現在興達興達港的部分現在是已經歸為二類漁港是高雄市政府的全屬他如何結合他的觀光跟\n\n08:32.761 --> 08:56.022\n都計單位就那周邊去做整體發展我想未來是比較有空間我要拜託署長是不是召集高雄市政府這個海洋局來或者國產署大家召開會議怎麼樣去活化讓這個新的碼頭風華再現是不是你可以召集一下會議委員這一個我們會來處理另外再30秒就是洋價\n\n08:58.154 --> 09:27.590\n羊的價格一直跌破新低所以這個乳羊產業這10年來很慘我們對農業部對養羊的這個產業有沒有一個所謂短中長期的相關的扶植計畫我跟委員報告就是我們當初在處理牛的時候我們也注意到羊價在這一年來它的價格的降低所以我也要求了我們畜牧師要提出一個短中長的那短期的部分有一些必須要去處理的時候\n\n09:28.010 --> 09:47.265\n因為他量多的時候我們會協助他去做加工或者是做冷凍處理但是這只是短期而已應該有更長期的這些飼養的這些政策要出來這個部分是不是請畜牧師拜託是不是跟我們高雄的或者台南的養羊業者做一些座談讓他們了解政府的扶植措施短中長期\n\n09:49.186 --> 10:17.468\n这个我们立即来做你们私人报告有提到任性渔港我想署长也很清楚任性渔港你们罗列几个建设成果我这边有待完成事项我会后再交给部长再请部长跟署长能够大力支持全部在我选区而且都期待中央的经费的挹注如果没挹注这渔港就会没有任性了解待会我再提供给你们我们尽量来努力谢谢谢谢邱志伟委员之许\n\n","segments":[{"start":4.707,"end":21.805,"text":"沒有 剛剛已經先休息了因為剛剛那個了 對好 謝謝是不是請農業部陳部長我們請農業部陳部長"},{"start":31.349,"end":51.135,"text":"幾個問題想請教您對美國的關稅談判現在還在進行當中有沒有最新的談判的狀況關於農業產品的部分我想整個的談判還在過關稅也好或者是對他們的採購的品項跟金額有沒有最新的進度"},{"start":51.994,"end":79.515,"text":"不過我想現在因為談判到最後的一個階段然後技術性的談判大概大致上完成那我剛才說的就是技術性的談判是指哪些就是有一些就是個別就是在在所謂的技術階層的談判有沒有那但是最後其實是很細節的部分包括說關稅的稅率是多少因為所謂的關稅裡面他的項目太多哪一些關稅哪一些沒有哪一些品項那因為"},{"start":80.456,"end":100.606,"text":"美國跟台灣各有希望堅持或期待的資料那你是說技術面談得差不多的就是大致上啦 大致上但是還會 還是持續在做一些溝通啦那我剛才說的所以說技術面關於個別品項的就是關稅大概這個台美雙方都已經有一些的這個公式有一些初步的想法彼此之間都有些初步的想法"},{"start":102.347,"end":117.284,"text":"這個關於農業產品的部分呢農業產品本身我一開始就強調我一定是在確保糧食安全的部分所以針對糧食安全有關的這些品項我們一定會有希望說能夠爭取到不會對這個懺悔的過程中或者懺悔的最後結論不會對農業產業造成任何的衝擊跟影響"},{"start":121.277,"end":139.405,"text":"我應該這麼講其實貿易的自由化過程中零關稅不一定是很可怕如果零關稅是對台灣國內產業是有幫助的我剛才說的像這些我們需要的可能未來關稅調整變零關稅的品項大概有多少這個現在還沒有辦法去做統計跟確認"},{"start":141.561,"end":164.736,"text":"好 所以這部分你認為說最後跟美國談判的結論不會損及台灣的農業產業我想因為台灣的農業產業有不同的面向但是我們會針對糧食安全而且我們會確保農民的權益那有可能會有一些部分的衝擊的時候我們也會有因應的過程那你說可能就是說在你談判過程中有一些的關稅會對現有的這個農業產業"},{"start":168.838,"end":189.833,"text":"有一些影響的時候我們就會有一些支持方案對 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