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00:01:20,355\n我真的覺得消費別人的病痛然後小人之心度君子之腹更是欠缺同理跟人性我表達遺憾也實在要對立法委員這樣的表現我覺得還是深感sorry對於我們陳菊院長這樣子讓我們崇敬的一個前輩有這樣的質疑\n\n4\n00:01:21,109 --> 00:01:44,938\n那今天我的主題天災無情人禍可防不分顏色該查就查我今天說的兩件事情我都是同樣的態度一個就是馬太安溪艷澀湖的救災責任一個就是現在政壇大家都關切的受害者比比皆是的狗仔偷拍政治針防的集團有不法就要查下一頁\n\n5\n00:01:46,348 --> 00:02:06,804\n首先呢剛剛好多在野黨的委員在質詢看來他們對於監察院的功能是很肯定的才會要你們這個也要查那個也要查這個法也要立那個法也要修那如果對於監察委員要求你們要有老虎的功能那麼為什麼不給武器不給預算呢\n\n6\n00:02:08,123 --> 00:02:24,055\n今年總預算你們是所有的願計之間的重災戶形同癱瘓雖然我們最後在追加減預算7762萬免為通過但是太多的業務已經受到罕格\n\n7\n00:02:25,697 --> 00:02:46,902\n我這裡整理出來的我們這一年來的中央機關的巡查監察案從33案調到剩10案降了70%而地方機關的巡查因為要到各縣市沒有公務車沒有油錢所以呢29案變成1案降了95%\n\n8\n00:02:49,002 --> 00:03:07,630\n而監委的另外一個重要的功能調查案件也從去年260案今年目前只有134案等於是減了一半所以說巡查的次數也減調查案件的件數也減衝擊了調查的量能前所未有\n\n9\n00:03:08,530 --> 00:03:28,839\n如果在野黨的委員認為對於監察院的功能是有這麼多的期許要你們這個要查那個要查那麼就不要不合理的來亂砍預算所以負面我這些資料的整理是不是因為總預算嚴重的影響了你們的調查巡查的量能我的數字是否正確\n\n10\n00:03:31,504 --> 00:03:49,240\n謝謝謝謝委員的整理那因為我們的相關的今年度的預算被刪了97%那所以呢像中央巡查我們除了剛剛委員說的公務車的郵費以外還有國內旅費其實也都沒有\n\n11\n00:03:49,620 --> 00:04:17,167\n零也都沒有然後呢地方機關的巡查也是相同的那我們就沒有辦法去各地去收受去受理人民陳情其實是對各地來講是影響非常大尤其是離島偏鄉的部分那調查案的部分呢更是影響重大因為沒有任何的諮詢費旅館或者是我聽說還很多監委為了自己要讓調查的量能維持還是自掏腰包來進行對不對\n\n12\n00:04:18,271 --> 00:04:38,133\n是事實上是有這樣子的情況好我希望在野黨的委員記取今天在這裡質詢每個人丟了一堆案要你們查查到底要當老虎拜託那今年就不要再砍玉算了下一頁我非常遺憾喔這個傅坤祺的政治垂直避難\n\n13\n00:04:39,591 --> 00:05:07,727\n就是甩鍋中央又卸責鄉鎮公所我們學法律我們定法的人災害防救法是921之後國家開始立法在921之前因為沒有一套災害防救的法制所以當時的總統李登輝前總統是用緊急命令的方式那時候吳斯堯就是立法院的國會助理所以我們催生了災害防救法訂定了三級制\n\n14\n00:05:08,627 --> 00:05:36,362\n中央縣市政府跟鄉鎮市公所所以災害防救法的三級制各有權責都要合作只是我很遺憾為了甩鍋為了政治的垂直避難的傅坤祺曲解法令至此到底是笨到連法律要前文對後文一起看他都不知道還是壞到惡意的去斷章取義\n\n15\n00:05:37,623 --> 00:05:57,132\n所以災害防救法我就不贅述了三級制中央有責任有權責縣市有責任有權責鄉鎮同樣也有但是要具體執行跟有效分工法就在那裡不要要甩鍋的時候來曲解法令下也甚至\n\n16\n00:05:58,292 --> 00:06:17,225\n災害防救法已經修了很多次每一次的天災都讓我們記取教訓99年的時候再一次修法就是因為莫拉克風災的經驗讓我們立法院認為要強化災害防救法的修法去強化什麼地方政府的災救責任\n\n17\n00:06:18,447 --> 00:06:31,691\n所以要把法律嚴格跟條文前後文讀清楚不要為了甩鍋卸責政治的垂直避難來曲解法令我很遺憾在野黨現在都說這個調查災情就是要去究責藍營的人是錯了\n\n18\n00:06:39,874 --> 00:06:58,125\n監察院在災救的各項調查是不分黨派嘛對不對過去到現在有很多針對災防執行有沒有到位公務團隊有沒有堵直都進行了調查下一頁這是我整理出來的\n\n19\n00:06:59,425 --> 00:07:18,439\n納利颱風91年台北市政府的馬英九總統因為台北市的防洪設施很完善但是卻沒有具體的去執行應變失當而且需要向中央求援當時的馬英九沒有所以你們調查了依法是糾正提案修糾正\n\n20\n00:07:21,239 --> 00:07:47,974\n99年的莫拉克颱風是高雄市長陳菊針對高雄市當時的土石流警戒沒有具體有效的去撤離所以造成災難你們也是該查就查該辦就辦該糾正就糾正從那裡到莫拉克颱風每一次監察委員的調查都是讓我們國家的災防體制可以更精進有檢討\n\n21\n00:07:50,074 --> 00:08:08,849\n所以馬英九陳菊不同黨派該查就查對不對下一頁更細的到鄉鎮市公所98年在這個高雄縣甲仙鄉的劉鄉長也是你們在小林村的災情上彈劾了這一個鄉長\n\n22\n00:08:11,178 --> 00:08:15,702\n在98年台東縣縣長鄺麗珍因為鳳凰颱風來襲縣長卻出國未歸引起輿論的爭議你們提起彈劾但我要強調這個彈劾是針對他那一趟的出國本身的一些計畫執行跟出國的項目不符所以被彈劾\n\n23\n00:08:32,731 --> 00:08:52,480\n所以說針對每一次的救災疏失不是為了半藍半綠啊是為了讓國家的災防體系更健全三級制能夠落實所以在這一次的花蓮的馬太安溪的不幸事件我認為你們未來啟動的調查一樣不分顏色\n\n24\n00:08:53,598 --> 00:09:12,730\n中央如果有疏失我們要精進地方政府執行不到位我們該給予提醒鄉鎮市公所更是如此我不希望只要監察院在查這些部分的政治工作者就戴上了有色眼鏡\n\n25\n00:09:14,231 --> 00:09:41,454\n只能够办律的不能够去查其他政党的这我刚刚整理出来对于防灾的调查是不是也是你们过去具体执行的成果好那第二个下一个主题政治圈发生了史上最大的丑闻跟间偷拍进行政治侦访下一页你们也是受灾户\n\n26\n00:09:42,614 --> 00:10:10,708\n下一頁我問兩個問題簡單問李鴻鈞副院長說啟動了公務車使用的行政調查進行中嘛對不對那還在進行中是嗎目前還在調查中調查報告還在審議好我尊重你們的調查希望未來有更好的制度大家可以依循第二個對於這個不法的偷拍狗仔的這個政治針防很多受害者是監委你知道這些監委基於捍衛自己的權益有人要提告嗎\n\n27\n00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:27,441\n目前沒有這樣子的資訊好我也尊重但是我認為每一個受害者的權益都至關重大該提告就提告因為才能夠透過司法的釐清查查當中的不法行徑最後下一個\n\n28\n00:10:28,742 --> 00:10:48,493\n民進黨團我們的書記長陳培餘在這裡喔昨天跟鍾嘉斌幹事長民進黨團到監察院去舉發了這個狗仔偷拍集團是不是有違及他的資金是違反政治獻金法政治獻金的查核就是監察院的例行業務嘛也不分顏色嘛對不對\n\n29\n00:10:49,835 --> 00:11:06,694\n黃國昌委員不曉得是不是怕被查喔就先來扣帽子貼標籤說國家機器動起來了監察院就是國家機器要鬥爭政敵我要說從來沒有國家機器但是被驗證只有國昌機器\n\n30\n00:11:07,935 --> 00:11:36,322\n沒有國家機器但是有偷拍別人的國昌機器同樣我希望你們既然舉發受理該查就查不分顏色甚至政治獻金我手上有厚厚一疊你們辦理罰還處分就是你們的業務不分黨派都有我手上這一疊有林佳龍有新黨有柯文哲有蔡黃狼\n\n31\n00:11:38,069 --> 00:11:59,444\n有蘇政卿啊藍綠都有還有一個人叫做吳思瑤我也被罰過因為我的助理在書在辦的時候有一些書師然後一樣你們每一筆都查得很細那我被查了我們如果有登載不夠完整的我們就依法規該被罰就被罰包括我當事者\n\n32\n00:12:00,305 --> 00:12:15,422\n所以我從來不會戴著有色眼鏡該查就查監察院不是國家機器的去打擊政敵的這種監察院是為了整治關真是為了廉潔的政府\n\n33\n00:12:16,002 --> 00:12:35,552\n所以兩個部分一個救災一個在政治獻金的查核基於你們的權限範圍該怎麼辦就怎麼辦那我也期待今年的總預算不要再被為難了你們當時拿到了7000多萬的追加預算欠給廠商的錢都付了吧\n\n34\n00:12:36,926 --> 00:12:41,830\n希望今年不要再發生好不好監察院要當老虎請這些委員都要給武器都要給預算謝謝辛苦了謝謝主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6611\t34132\t蜂蜜喝口水吧 辛苦了好 所以要請蜂蜜嗎好 那有請蜂蜜 謝謝好 大家辛苦實在覺得滿遺憾的喔我認為從政的人要有同理心更要有人性喔那不要以小人之心度君子之腹對於陳菊院長她是生病的關係\n35851\t57411\t他目前沒有辦法來工作我們都對於任何懷有病痛的人應當要有相當高的同理而陳菊院長他也主動自動的繳回退回他所有的信奉那有委員又要查這個又要查那個然後又說會不會只是說的啊沒有真的退\n58752\t80355\t我真的覺得消費別人的病痛然後小人之心度君子之腹更是欠缺同理跟人性我表達遺憾也實在要對立法委員這樣的表現我覺得還是深感sorry對於我們陳菊院長這樣子讓我們崇敬的一個前輩有這樣的質疑\n81109\t104938\t那今天我的主題天災無情人禍可防不分顏色該查就查我今天說的兩件事情我都是同樣的態度一個就是馬太安溪艷澀湖的救災責任一個就是現在政壇大家都關切的受害者比比皆是的狗仔偷拍政治針防的集團有不法就要查下一頁\n106348\t126804\t首先呢 剛剛好多在野黨的委員在質詢看來他們對於監察院的功能是很肯定的才會要你們這個也要查 那個也要查這個法也要立 那個法也要修那如果對於監察委員要求你們要有老虎的功能那麼為什麼不給武器 不給預算呢\n128123\t144055\t今年總預算你們是所有的願計之間的重災戶形同癱瘓雖然我們最後在追加減預算7762萬免為通過但是太多的業務已經受到罕格\n145697\t166902\t我這裡整理出來的我們這一年來的中央機關的巡查監察案從33案調到剩10案降了70%而地方機關的巡查因為要到各縣市沒有公務車沒有油錢所以呢29案變成1案降了95%\n169002\t187630\t而監委的另外一個重要的功能調查案件也從去年260案今年目前只有134案等於是減了一半所以說巡查的次數也減調查案件的件數也減衝擊了調查的量能前所未有\n188530\t208839\t如果在野黨的委員認為對於監察院的功能是有這麼多的期許要你們這個要查那個要查那麼就不要不合理的來亂砍預算所以負面我這些資料的整理是不是因為總預算嚴重的影響了你們的調查巡查的量能我的數字是否正確\n211504\t229240\t謝謝 謝謝委員的整理那因為我們的相關的今年度的預算被刪了97%那所以呢像中央巡查我們除了剛剛委員說的公務車的郵費以外還有國內旅費其實也都沒有\n229620\t257167\t零也都沒有然後呢地方機關的巡查也是相同的那我們就沒有辦法去各地去收受去受理人民陳情其實是對各地來講是影響非常大尤其是離島偏鄉的部分那調查案的部分呢更是影響重大因為沒有任何的諮詢費旅館或者是我聽說還很多監委為了自己要讓調查的量能維持還是自掏腰包來進行對不對\n258271\t278133\t是事實上是有這樣子的情況好我希望在野黨的委員記取今天在這裡質詢每個人丟了一堆案要你們查查到底要當老虎拜託那今年就不要再砍玉算了下一頁我非常遺憾喔這個傅坤祺的政治垂直避難\n279591\t307727\t就是甩鍋中央又卸責鄉鎮公所我們學法律我們定法的人災害防救法是921之後國家開始立法在921之前因為沒有一套災害防救的法制所以當時的總統李登輝前總統是用緊急命令的方式那時候吳斯堯就是立法院的國會助理所以我們催生了災害防救法訂定了三級制\n308627\t336362\t中央縣市政府跟鄉鎮市公所所以災害防救法的三級制各有權責都要合作只是我很遺憾為了甩鍋為了政治的垂直避難的傅坤祺曲解法令至此到底是笨到連法律要前文對後文一起看他都不知道還是壞到惡意的去斷章取義\n337623\t357132\t所以災害防救法我就不贅述了三級制中央有責任有權責縣市有責任有權責鄉鎮同樣也有但是要具體執行跟有效分工法就在那裡不要要甩鍋的時候來曲解法令下也甚至\n358292\t377225\t災害防救法已經修了很多次每一次的天災都讓我們記取教訓99年的時候再一次修法就是因為莫拉克風災的經驗讓我們立法院認為要強化災害防救法的修法去強化什麼地方政府的災救責任\n378447\t391691\t所以要把法律嚴格跟條文前後文讀清楚不要為了甩鍋卸責政治的垂直避難來曲解法令我很遺憾在野黨現在都說這個調查災情就是要去究責藍營的人是錯了\n399874\t418125\t監察院在災救的各項調查是不分黨派嘛對不對過去到現在有很多針對災防執行有沒有到位公務團隊有沒有堵直都進行了調查下一頁這是我整理出來的\n419425\t438439\t納利颱風91年台北市政府的馬英九總統因為台北市的防洪設施很完善但是卻沒有具體的去執行應變失當而且需要向中央求援當時的馬英九沒有所以你們調查了依法是糾正提案修糾正\n441239\t467974\t99年的莫拉克颱風是高雄市長陳菊針對高雄市當時的土石流警戒沒有具體有效的去撤離所以造成災難你們也是該查就查該辦就辦該糾正就糾正從那裡到莫拉克颱風每一次監察委員的調查都是讓我們國家的災防體制可以更精進有檢討\n470074\t488849\t所以馬英九陳菊不同黨派該查就查對不對下一頁更細的到鄉鎮市公所98年在這個高雄縣甲仙鄉的劉鄉長也是你們在小林村的災情上彈劾了這一個鄉長\n491178\t495702\t在98年台東縣縣長鄺麗珍因為鳳凰颱風來襲縣長卻出國未歸引起輿論的爭議你們提起彈劾但我要強調這個彈劾是針對他那一趟的出國本身的一些計畫執行跟出國的項目不符所以被彈劾\n512731\t532480\t所以說針對每一次的救災疏失不是為了半藍半綠啊是為了讓國家的災防體系更健全三級制能夠落實所以在這一次的花蓮的馬太安溪的不幸事件我認為你們未來啟動的調查一樣不分顏色\n533598\t552730\t中央如果有疏失我們要精進地方政府執行不到位我們該給予提醒鄉鎮市公所更是如此我不希望只要監察院在查這些部分的政治工作者就戴上了有色眼鏡\n554231\t581454\t只能够办律的不能够去查其他政党的这我刚刚整理出来对于防灾的调查是不是也是你们过去具体执行的成果好那第二个下一个主题政治圈发生了史上最大的丑闻跟间偷拍进行政治侦访下一页你们也是受灾户\n582614\t610708\t下一頁我問兩個問題簡單問李鴻鈞副院長說啟動了公務車使用的行政調查進行中嘛對不對那還在進行中是嗎目前還在調查中調查報告還在審議好我尊重你們的調查希望未來有更好的制度大家可以依循第二個對於這個不法的偷拍狗仔的這個政治針防很多受害者是監委你知道這些監委基於捍衛自己的權益有人要提告嗎\n611960\t627441\t目前沒有這樣子的資訊好 我也尊重但是我認為每一個受害者的權益都至關重大該提告就提告因為才能夠透過司法的釐清查查當中的不法行徑最後下一個\n628742\t648493\t民進黨團我們的書記長陳培餘在這裡喔昨天跟鍾嘉斌幹事長民進黨團到監察院去舉發了這個狗仔偷拍集團是不是有違及他的資金是違反政治獻金法政治獻金的查核就是監察院的例行業務嘛也不分顏色嘛 對不對\n649835\t666694\t黃國昌委員不曉得是不是怕被查喔就先來扣帽子貼標籤說國家機器動起來了監察院就是國家機器要鬥爭政敵我要說從來沒有國家機器但是被驗證只有國昌機器\n667935\t696322\t沒有國家機器但是有偷拍別人的國昌機器同樣我希望你們既然舉發受理該查就查不分顏色甚至政治獻金我手上有厚厚一疊你們辦理罰還處分就是你們的業務不分黨派都有我手上這一疊有林佳龍有新黨有柯文哲有蔡黃狼\n698069\t719444\t有蘇政卿啊藍綠都有還有一個人叫做吳思瑤我也被罰過因為我的助理在書在辦的時候有一些書師然後一樣你們每一筆都查得很細那我被查了我們如果有登載不夠完整的我們就依法規該被罰就被罰包括我當事者\n720305\t735422\t所以我從來不會戴著有色眼鏡該查就查監察院不是國家機器的去打擊政敵的這種監察院是為了整治關真是為了廉潔的政府\n736002\t755552\t所以兩個部分一個救災一個在政治獻金的查核基於你們的權限範圍該怎麼辦就怎麼辦那我也期待今年的總預算不要再被為難了你們當時拿到了7000多萬的追加預算欠給廠商的錢都付了吧\n756926\t761830\t希望今年不要再發生好不好監察院要當老虎請這些委員都要給武器都要給預算謝謝辛苦了謝謝主席\n","txt":"蜂蜜喝口水吧 辛苦了好 所以要請蜂蜜嗎好 那有請蜂蜜 謝謝好 大家辛苦實在覺得滿遺憾的喔我認為從政的人要有同理心更要有人性喔那不要以小人之心度君子之腹對於陳菊院長她是生病的關係\n他目前沒有辦法來工作我們都對於任何懷有病痛的人應當要有相當高的同理而陳菊院長他也主動自動的繳回退回他所有的信奉那有委員又要查這個又要查那個然後又說會不會只是說的啊沒有真的退\n我真的覺得消費別人的病痛然後小人之心度君子之腹更是欠缺同理跟人性我表達遺憾也實在要對立法委員這樣的表現我覺得還是深感sorry對於我們陳菊院長這樣子讓我們崇敬的一個前輩有這樣的質疑\n那今天我的主題天災無情人禍可防不分顏色該查就查我今天說的兩件事情我都是同樣的態度一個就是馬太安溪艷澀湖的救災責任一個就是現在政壇大家都關切的受害者比比皆是的狗仔偷拍政治針防的集團有不法就要查下一頁\n首先呢 剛剛好多在野黨的委員在質詢看來他們對於監察院的功能是很肯定的才會要你們這個也要查 那個也要查這個法也要立 那個法也要修那如果對於監察委員要求你們要有老虎的功能那麼為什麼不給武器 不給預算呢\n今年總預算你們是所有的願計之間的重災戶形同癱瘓雖然我們最後在追加減預算7762萬免為通過但是太多的業務已經受到罕格\n我這裡整理出來的我們這一年來的中央機關的巡查監察案從33案調到剩10案降了70%而地方機關的巡查因為要到各縣市沒有公務車沒有油錢所以呢29案變成1案降了95%\n而監委的另外一個重要的功能調查案件也從去年260案今年目前只有134案等於是減了一半所以說巡查的次數也減調查案件的件數也減衝擊了調查的量能前所未有\n如果在野黨的委員認為對於監察院的功能是有這麼多的期許要你們這個要查那個要查那麼就不要不合理的來亂砍預算所以負面我這些資料的整理是不是因為總預算嚴重的影響了你們的調查巡查的量能我的數字是否正確\n謝謝 謝謝委員的整理那因為我們的相關的今年度的預算被刪了97%那所以呢像中央巡查我們除了剛剛委員說的公務車的郵費以外還有國內旅費其實也都沒有\n零也都沒有然後呢地方機關的巡查也是相同的那我們就沒有辦法去各地去收受去受理人民陳情其實是對各地來講是影響非常大尤其是離島偏鄉的部分那調查案的部分呢更是影響重大因為沒有任何的諮詢費旅館或者是我聽說還很多監委為了自己要讓調查的量能維持還是自掏腰包來進行對不對\n是事實上是有這樣子的情況好我希望在野黨的委員記取今天在這裡質詢每個人丟了一堆案要你們查查到底要當老虎拜託那今年就不要再砍玉算了下一頁我非常遺憾喔這個傅坤祺的政治垂直避難\n就是甩鍋中央又卸責鄉鎮公所我們學法律我們定法的人災害防救法是921之後國家開始立法在921之前因為沒有一套災害防救的法制所以當時的總統李登輝前總統是用緊急命令的方式那時候吳斯堯就是立法院的國會助理所以我們催生了災害防救法訂定了三級制\n中央縣市政府跟鄉鎮市公所所以災害防救法的三級制各有權責都要合作只是我很遺憾為了甩鍋為了政治的垂直避難的傅坤祺曲解法令至此到底是笨到連法律要前文對後文一起看他都不知道還是壞到惡意的去斷章取義\n所以災害防救法我就不贅述了三級制中央有責任有權責縣市有責任有權責鄉鎮同樣也有但是要具體執行跟有效分工法就在那裡不要要甩鍋的時候來曲解法令下也甚至\n災害防救法已經修了很多次每一次的天災都讓我們記取教訓99年的時候再一次修法就是因為莫拉克風災的經驗讓我們立法院認為要強化災害防救法的修法去強化什麼地方政府的災救責任\n所以要把法律嚴格跟條文前後文讀清楚不要為了甩鍋卸責政治的垂直避難來曲解法令我很遺憾在野黨現在都說這個調查災情就是要去究責藍營的人是錯了\n監察院在災救的各項調查是不分黨派嘛對不對過去到現在有很多針對災防執行有沒有到位公務團隊有沒有堵直都進行了調查下一頁這是我整理出來的\n納利颱風91年台北市政府的馬英九總統因為台北市的防洪設施很完善但是卻沒有具體的去執行應變失當而且需要向中央求援當時的馬英九沒有所以你們調查了依法是糾正提案修糾正\n99年的莫拉克颱風是高雄市長陳菊針對高雄市當時的土石流警戒沒有具體有效的去撤離所以造成災難你們也是該查就查該辦就辦該糾正就糾正從那裡到莫拉克颱風每一次監察委員的調查都是讓我們國家的災防體制可以更精進有檢討\n所以馬英九陳菊不同黨派該查就查對不對下一頁更細的到鄉鎮市公所98年在這個高雄縣甲仙鄉的劉鄉長也是你們在小林村的災情上彈劾了這一個鄉長\n在98年台東縣縣長鄺麗珍因為鳳凰颱風來襲縣長卻出國未歸引起輿論的爭議你們提起彈劾但我要強調這個彈劾是針對他那一趟的出國本身的一些計畫執行跟出國的項目不符所以被彈劾\n所以說針對每一次的救災疏失不是為了半藍半綠啊是為了讓國家的災防體系更健全三級制能夠落實所以在這一次的花蓮的馬太安溪的不幸事件我認為你們未來啟動的調查一樣不分顏色\n中央如果有疏失我們要精進地方政府執行不到位我們該給予提醒鄉鎮市公所更是如此我不希望只要監察院在查這些部分的政治工作者就戴上了有色眼鏡\n只能够办律的不能够去查其他政党的这我刚刚整理出来对于防灾的调查是不是也是你们过去具体执行的成果好那第二个下一个主题政治圈发生了史上最大的丑闻跟间偷拍进行政治侦访下一页你们也是受灾户\n下一頁我問兩個問題簡單問李鴻鈞副院長說啟動了公務車使用的行政調查進行中嘛對不對那還在進行中是嗎目前還在調查中調查報告還在審議好我尊重你們的調查希望未來有更好的制度大家可以依循第二個對於這個不法的偷拍狗仔的這個政治針防很多受害者是監委你知道這些監委基於捍衛自己的權益有人要提告嗎\n目前沒有這樣子的資訊好 我也尊重但是我認為每一個受害者的權益都至關重大該提告就提告因為才能夠透過司法的釐清查查當中的不法行徑最後下一個\n民進黨團我們的書記長陳培餘在這裡喔昨天跟鍾嘉斌幹事長民進黨團到監察院去舉發了這個狗仔偷拍集團是不是有違及他的資金是違反政治獻金法政治獻金的查核就是監察院的例行業務嘛也不分顏色嘛 對不對\n黃國昌委員不曉得是不是怕被查喔就先來扣帽子貼標籤說國家機器動起來了監察院就是國家機器要鬥爭政敵我要說從來沒有國家機器但是被驗證只有國昌機器\n沒有國家機器但是有偷拍別人的國昌機器同樣我希望你們既然舉發受理該查就查不分顏色甚至政治獻金我手上有厚厚一疊你們辦理罰還處分就是你們的業務不分黨派都有我手上這一疊有林佳龍有新黨有柯文哲有蔡黃狼\n有蘇政卿啊藍綠都有還有一個人叫做吳思瑤我也被罰過因為我的助理在書在辦的時候有一些書師然後一樣你們每一筆都查得很細那我被查了我們如果有登載不夠完整的我們就依法規該被罰就被罰包括我當事者\n所以我從來不會戴著有色眼鏡該查就查監察院不是國家機器的去打擊政敵的這種監察院是為了整治關真是為了廉潔的政府\n所以兩個部分一個救災一個在政治獻金的查核基於你們的權限範圍該怎麼辦就怎麼辦那我也期待今年的總預算不要再被為難了你們當時拿到了7000多萬的追加預算欠給廠商的錢都付了吧\n希望今年不要再發生好不好監察院要當老虎請這些委員都要給武器都要給預算謝謝辛苦了謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.611 --> 00:34.132\n蜂蜜喝口水吧辛苦了好所以要請蜂蜜嗎好那有請蜂蜜謝謝好大家辛苦實在覺得滿遺憾的喔我認為從政的人要有同理心更要有人性喔那不要以小人之心度君子之腹對於陳菊院長她是生病的關係\n\n00:35.851 --> 00:57.411\n他目前沒有辦法來工作我們都對於任何懷有病痛的人應當要有相當高的同理而陳菊院長他也主動自動的繳回退回他所有的信奉那有委員又要查這個又要查那個然後又說會不會只是說的啊沒有真的退\n\n00:58.752 --> 01:20.355\n我真的覺得消費別人的病痛然後小人之心度君子之腹更是欠缺同理跟人性我表達遺憾也實在要對立法委員這樣的表現我覺得還是深感sorry對於我們陳菊院長這樣子讓我們崇敬的一個前輩有這樣的質疑\n\n01:21.109 --> 01:44.938\n那今天我的主題天災無情人禍可防不分顏色該查就查我今天說的兩件事情我都是同樣的態度一個就是馬太安溪艷澀湖的救災責任一個就是現在政壇大家都關切的受害者比比皆是的狗仔偷拍政治針防的集團有不法就要查下一頁\n\n01:46.348 --> 02:06.804\n首先呢剛剛好多在野黨的委員在質詢看來他們對於監察院的功能是很肯定的才會要你們這個也要查那個也要查這個法也要立那個法也要修那如果對於監察委員要求你們要有老虎的功能那麼為什麼不給武器不給預算呢\n\n02:08.123 --> 02:24.055\n今年總預算你們是所有的願計之間的重災戶形同癱瘓雖然我們最後在追加減預算7762萬免為通過但是太多的業務已經受到罕格\n\n02:25.697 --> 02:46.902\n我這裡整理出來的我們這一年來的中央機關的巡查監察案從33案調到剩10案降了70%而地方機關的巡查因為要到各縣市沒有公務車沒有油錢所以呢29案變成1案降了95%\n\n02:49.002 --> 03:07.630\n而監委的另外一個重要的功能調查案件也從去年260案今年目前只有134案等於是減了一半所以說巡查的次數也減調查案件的件數也減衝擊了調查的量能前所未有\n\n03:08.530 --> 03:28.839\n如果在野黨的委員認為對於監察院的功能是有這麼多的期許要你們這個要查那個要查那麼就不要不合理的來亂砍預算所以負面我這些資料的整理是不是因為總預算嚴重的影響了你們的調查巡查的量能我的數字是否正確\n\n03:31.504 --> 03:49.240\n謝謝謝謝委員的整理那因為我們的相關的今年度的預算被刪了97%那所以呢像中央巡查我們除了剛剛委員說的公務車的郵費以外還有國內旅費其實也都沒有\n\n03:49.620 --> 04:17.167\n零也都沒有然後呢地方機關的巡查也是相同的那我們就沒有辦法去各地去收受去受理人民陳情其實是對各地來講是影響非常大尤其是離島偏鄉的部分那調查案的部分呢更是影響重大因為沒有任何的諮詢費旅館或者是我聽說還很多監委為了自己要讓調查的量能維持還是自掏腰包來進行對不對\n\n04:18.271 --> 04:38.133\n是事實上是有這樣子的情況好我希望在野黨的委員記取今天在這裡質詢每個人丟了一堆案要你們查查到底要當老虎拜託那今年就不要再砍玉算了下一頁我非常遺憾喔這個傅坤祺的政治垂直避難\n\n04:39.591 --> 05:07.727\n就是甩鍋中央又卸責鄉鎮公所我們學法律我們定法的人災害防救法是921之後國家開始立法在921之前因為沒有一套災害防救的法制所以當時的總統李登輝前總統是用緊急命令的方式那時候吳斯堯就是立法院的國會助理所以我們催生了災害防救法訂定了三級制\n\n05:08.627 --> 05:36.362\n中央縣市政府跟鄉鎮市公所所以災害防救法的三級制各有權責都要合作只是我很遺憾為了甩鍋為了政治的垂直避難的傅坤祺曲解法令至此到底是笨到連法律要前文對後文一起看他都不知道還是壞到惡意的去斷章取義\n\n05:37.623 --> 05:57.132\n所以災害防救法我就不贅述了三級制中央有責任有權責縣市有責任有權責鄉鎮同樣也有但是要具體執行跟有效分工法就在那裡不要要甩鍋的時候來曲解法令下也甚至\n\n05:58.292 --> 06:17.225\n災害防救法已經修了很多次每一次的天災都讓我們記取教訓99年的時候再一次修法就是因為莫拉克風災的經驗讓我們立法院認為要強化災害防救法的修法去強化什麼地方政府的災救責任\n\n06:18.447 --> 06:31.691\n所以要把法律嚴格跟條文前後文讀清楚不要為了甩鍋卸責政治的垂直避難來曲解法令我很遺憾在野黨現在都說這個調查災情就是要去究責藍營的人是錯了\n\n06:39.874 --> 06:58.125\n監察院在災救的各項調查是不分黨派嘛對不對過去到現在有很多針對災防執行有沒有到位公務團隊有沒有堵直都進行了調查下一頁這是我整理出來的\n\n06:59.425 --> 07:18.439\n納利颱風91年台北市政府的馬英九總統因為台北市的防洪設施很完善但是卻沒有具體的去執行應變失當而且需要向中央求援當時的馬英九沒有所以你們調查了依法是糾正提案修糾正\n\n07:21.239 --> 07:47.974\n99年的莫拉克颱風是高雄市長陳菊針對高雄市當時的土石流警戒沒有具體有效的去撤離所以造成災難你們也是該查就查該辦就辦該糾正就糾正從那裡到莫拉克颱風每一次監察委員的調查都是讓我們國家的災防體制可以更精進有檢討\n\n07:50.074 --> 08:08.849\n所以馬英九陳菊不同黨派該查就查對不對下一頁更細的到鄉鎮市公所98年在這個高雄縣甲仙鄉的劉鄉長也是你們在小林村的災情上彈劾了這一個鄉長\n\n08:11.178 --> 08:15.702\n在98年台東縣縣長鄺麗珍因為鳳凰颱風來襲縣長卻出國未歸引起輿論的爭議你們提起彈劾但我要強調這個彈劾是針對他那一趟的出國本身的一些計畫執行跟出國的項目不符所以被彈劾\n\n08:32.731 --> 08:52.480\n所以說針對每一次的救災疏失不是為了半藍半綠啊是為了讓國家的災防體系更健全三級制能夠落實所以在這一次的花蓮的馬太安溪的不幸事件我認為你們未來啟動的調查一樣不分顏色\n\n08:53.598 --> 09:12.730\n中央如果有疏失我們要精進地方政府執行不到位我們該給予提醒鄉鎮市公所更是如此我不希望只要監察院在查這些部分的政治工作者就戴上了有色眼鏡\n\n09:14.231 --> 09:41.454\n只能够办律的不能够去查其他政党的这我刚刚整理出来对于防灾的调查是不是也是你们过去具体执行的成果好那第二个下一个主题政治圈发生了史上最大的丑闻跟间偷拍进行政治侦访下一页你们也是受灾户\n\n09:42.614 --> 10:10.708\n下一頁我問兩個問題簡單問李鴻鈞副院長說啟動了公務車使用的行政調查進行中嘛對不對那還在進行中是嗎目前還在調查中調查報告還在審議好我尊重你們的調查希望未來有更好的制度大家可以依循第二個對於這個不法的偷拍狗仔的這個政治針防很多受害者是監委你知道這些監委基於捍衛自己的權益有人要提告嗎\n\n10:11.960 --> 10:27.441\n目前沒有這樣子的資訊好我也尊重但是我認為每一個受害者的權益都至關重大該提告就提告因為才能夠透過司法的釐清查查當中的不法行徑最後下一個\n\n10:28.742 --> 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