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00:02:36,005\n就是這要招去民糧招去民糧而且民糧它是有品牌的那有品牌的話它的米的米質種那個U值品種的比例也變高了那後續的話我想這個台灣的米的品牌的形象就可以建立得更完善然後未來銷到其他的國家的話也可以用這個U值米來行銷\n\n7\n00:02:37,466 --> 00:02:50,499\n沒有錯所以這是第一類就是說這個政策第一個我跟農業部大家鼓掌第一個讓我們的糧價有提高第二個我看到轉做公糧的面積也提高了轉做雜糧的面積也提高了轉做雜糧的面積增加了2009公頃那我們也提高了雜糧轉做\n\n8\n00:03:00,149 --> 00:03:10,376\n一家東達一家一萬戸看起來這個誘因也出來喔這家庭轉租的部分大概我們最後統計是2905公頃對2905公頃那表示說我們的政策除了要照顧稻農以外也要照顧雜糧的農民\n\n9\n00:03:17,341 --> 00:03:43,467\n那這個方案其實是已經都有照顧到對所以看起來這個一期二轉三加三我們這個在今年一期的時候已經看到成果了是啊二期的部分因為我們這裡剛才就添災災害所以我們二期我們可能看不到在其他的縣市可以反映到所以我想要請教部長那其他的縣市在於今年的這個糧價你一樣會有信心嗎今年二期的到座我們絕對有信心現在開始開盤了嘛現在開盤大概是1100塊\n\n10\n00:03:47,004 --> 00:03:53,993\n1100嘛所以已經比去年同期增加了80塊現在開盤的價因為現在是二季啦現在已經開了11月8號開始開盤那開盤的價格大概1100每百台金1100如果二期來說這個數字聽起來已經很不錯了也是不錯的數字\n\n11\n00:04:04,727 --> 00:04:21,315\n所以我覺得我們的政策方向走對的事實上有些是硬要打你硬要打我們這樣賣事實上最後的結果才是定輸贏所以我覺得這個政策方向對我們應該要繼續支持當然我們現在剛剛有去講到的說黃曉玉的進口的事情會不會衝擊到國內的市場事實上我只想跟部長反映\n\n12\n00:04:30,919 --> 00:04:46,335\n他們黃小玉本來台灣的產量就非常不足啦我們都不到一成啦都90幾%都是靠進口但是一直大量依賴進口可是我看到的韓民是完全不同的一個層次所以就是我感覺起來\n\n13\n00:04:47,156 --> 00:04:48,316\n這個就是我們現在持續在跟飼料公會在談的就是說第一個部分就是\n\n14\n00:05:10,442 --> 00:05:36,153\n他們透過聯合採購可以把價格壓低一點以外那相對的他們的營業稅跟關稅的部分我們也持續的有一些優惠那這些優惠我們都要求他們要回饋到農民要回饋到農民目前我看起來回饋到農民的層數沒有因為真的介紹在那裡尤其部長你可以了解一下漁業署去關心一下魚飼料哇漲了一倍耶魚飼料\n\n15\n00:05:37,718 --> 00:05:53,946\n真的是有漲這個我們再來持續那特別的產品你剛才講的魚飼料特別的產品我們再來關注但是我們近期也會找這些飼料公會的部分我講的當然是有基期啦不是短期內我講的是這幾年來所以這個飼料的價格會提高這一個已經傷害到了農民\n\n16\n00:06:00,109 --> 00:06:03,452\n現在有一點變成說我覺得現在的生理人也有點過分他看到農民我回到剛才的車子來說看到農民的車子修繩好你知道他每天後面生產線的每天工資送給你去給\n\n17\n00:06:19,405 --> 00:06:40,273\n你肥料也給你去給農業也給你去給一行就給你去去去就等於農民的收入又把它吃掉了這件事情我覺得部長我們再關心一下謝謝委員提醒就是說這些產業鏈裡面的東西不能因為農民的收益提高了他的什麼插秧費啊整地費啊又要連動的提高這樣的話農民的收益會被稀釋\n\n18\n00:06:41,213 --> 00:07:09,946\n農民價格好他們對的有變這個部分我想我們會來關注又把農民的收益又吃掉了那我最後在短短的時間我來講就是說我們現在在野保法我們事實上都有編了一個針對外來種去侵害到本土的一些叫做野生動物野生動物的時候你看我們在處理埃及聖環效果很好確實讓它數量大幅的減少\n\n19\n00:07:10,686 --> 00:07:26,795\n那現在這個濾劣溪我們有編這個補助然後去做用獵人去把它做這個移除的這個動作去做這個管制都有產生效果那我現在要跟部長講事實上山區很多真的活害\n\n20\n00:07:29,396 --> 00:07:42,820\n這要繳多天這真的是很痛而且它對於農作的損害非常的嚴重這些猴子他們奇怪他們也不是要去吃東西他們那些都是用刺刀的手扶一塊手扶一塊手扶一塊手扶一塊兩隻腳就要用用尾巴就要繳一塊再來割一刺繳一刺就割一塊\n\n21\n00:07:58,064 --> 00:08:14,989\n就根本要把我們送回去所以對農民來說真的是很無奈所以我在想說也許我們因為現在這個猕猴也已經不是保育類動物也許我們也是要正視這個問題然後替農民來解決這些猴害的問題部長這個是不是請你來\n\n22\n00:08:17,731 --> 00:08:32,590\n這個猕猴已經不是保育類動物牠如果牽扯到我們的生命財產的時候我們是可以去做菩薩的動作只是因為猕猴本身牠的樣子讓人家不願意去動手不過我在這邊也不是危言聳聽以現在的猕猴如果說\n\n23\n00:08:33,231 --> 00:08:54,065\n我們再不有一個更積極的一個防治作為的時候未來五年齁那相對的齁這個迷惑不只是在田間齁可能都會走進市區所以我們可能必須要一起來努力有時候齁這是出一個無奈啦可是我們也認真去想埃及聖環牠是鳥類啊牠長得不像人啊齁阿綠類蜥蜥是爬蟲類啊長得不像人啊齁阿這個齁誰做肉的都齁肉的人沒你們的錢就算了連動物圈就沒了捏齁\n\n24\n00:09:03,391 --> 00:09:08,018\n人家誰做飯的很可憐人模人樣的說那些就要保護大家這是真的我覺得我們還是要站在真的產業然後生態的一個平衡然後有時候我們該做適度的處理還是要處理好不好\n\n25\n00:09:19,755 --> 00:09:46,771\n對外徵求一些有沒有比較好的方法可以來做一些防治的部分那這個部分可能要再更加力道去做一些思考一下啦到底要怎麼做啦因為我在看我們在處理埃及盛環跟處理綠葉溪看起來成果是有的如果既然這樣的成果是有的我們事實上有時候還是站在說怎麼樣去達到一個適度的生態平衡如果這個生態已經失控了\n\n26\n00:09:47,251 --> 00:09:52,398\n我覺得我們站在政府的部門還是要介入好不好了解好謝謝謝謝蔡議員的諮詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n10865\t13388\t請謝謝趙偉好有請部長我們請部長保定\n26889\t56352\t如果是這樣看得到這陣子事實上有一些諮詢內容都少了實證少了科學的根據我覺得這樣是不好的所以部長我覺得很多事情是就事論事以科學為背景這個是很重要那我事實上還是講到了我們從去年我們一直在討論的就是這個糧食產業的升級計畫那農業部推出來的這個一級二轉三加三\n57052\t74843\t那我這樣經過了去年 今年的一個檢驗今年的一期到座 價格是不錯是價格差不多平均 本來我是不清楚 但是我們加一平均起來差不多就有清一口左右 對甚至就比較高其實也有\n77244\t104876\t這個產地價如果全台灣平均的話它是1132塊全台灣平均1億32然後比去年增加了123塊每百台金這增加的幅度是大的然後如果說講公糧因為大家那時候很重視公糧那事實上我們推出這個方案不只照顧公糧也照顧非公糧的種稻業者也照顧了我們就提高了公糧的部分在福島收購跟雲梁收購\n105356\t134244\t他的價格跟他的數量都提高嘛對 但是他繳公糧的反而變少了喔對 我是覺得說這件事的成功就是在於說如果113年度第一期到座繳公糧的是29.8萬公噸那114年的時候變成27.9萬公噸那表示繳公糧的反而少了照理我們提高要增加收購公糧的數量應該要繳的要增加 結果反而少了這是一個好現象\n134864\t156005\t就是這要招去民糧招去民糧而且民糧它是有品牌的那有品牌的話它的米的米質種那個U值品種的比例也變高了那後續的話我想這個台灣的米的品牌的形象就可以建立得更完善然後未來銷到其他的國家的話也可以用這個U值米來行銷\n157466\t170499\t沒有錯所以這是第一類 就是說這個政策第一個我跟農業部 大家鼓掌第一個讓我們的糧價有提高第二個我看到轉做公糧的面積也提高了轉做雜糧的面積也提高了轉做雜糧的面積增加了2009公頃那我們也提高了雜糧轉做\n180149\t190376\t一家東達一家一萬戸看起來這個誘因也出來喔這家庭轉租的部分大概我們最後統計是2905公頃對2905公頃那表示說我們的政策除了要照顧稻農以外也要照顧雜糧的農民\n197341\t223467\t那這個方案其實是已經都有照顧到對 所以看起來這個一期二轉三加三我們這個在今年一期的時候已經看到成果了是啊 二期的部分因為我們這裡剛才就添災災害所以我們二期我們可能看不到在其他的縣市可以反映到所以我想要請教部長那其他的縣市在於今年的這個糧價你一樣會有信心嗎 今年二期的到座我們絕對有信心 現在開始開盤了嘛現在開盤大概是1100塊\n227004\t233993\t1100嘛所以已經比去年同期增加了80塊現在開盤的價因為現在是二季啦現在已經開了11月8號開始開盤那開盤的價格大概1100每百台金1100如果二期來說這個數字聽起來已經很不錯了也是不錯的數字\n244727\t261315\t所以我覺得我們的政策方向走對的事實上有些是硬要打你硬要打我們這樣賣事實上最後的結果才是定輸贏所以我覺得這個政策方向對我們應該要繼續支持當然我們現在剛剛有去講到的說黃曉玉的進口的事情會不會衝擊到國內的市場事實上我只想跟部長反映\n270919\t286335\t他們黃小玉本來台灣的產量就非常不足啦我們都不到一成啦都90幾%都是靠進口但是一直大量依賴進口可是我看到的韓民是完全不同的一個層次所以就是我感覺起來\n287156\t288316\t這個就是我們現在持續在跟飼料公會在談的就是說第一個部分就是\n310442\t336153\t他們透過聯合採購可以把價格壓低一點以外那相對的他們的營業稅跟關稅的部分我們也持續的有一些優惠那這些優惠我們都要求他們要回饋到農民 要回饋到農民目前我看起來 回饋到農民的層數沒有因為真的介紹在那裡 尤其部長你可以了解一下漁業署去關心一下魚飼料 哇 漲了一倍耶魚飼料\n337718\t353946\t真的是有漲這個我們再來持續那特別的產品你剛才講的魚飼料特別的產品我們再來關注但是我們近期也會找這些飼料公會的部分我講的當然是有基期啦不是短期內我講的是這幾年來所以這個飼料的價格會提高這一個已經傷害到了農民\n360109\t363452\t現在有一點變成說 我覺得現在的生理人也有點過分他看到農民 我回到剛才的車子來說看到農民的車子修繩好 你知道他每天後面生產線的每天工資送給你去給\n379405\t400273\t你肥料也給你去給農業也給你去給一行就給你去去去就等於農民的收入又把它吃掉了這件事情我覺得部長我們再關心一下謝謝委員提醒就是說這些產業鏈裡面的東西不能因為農民的收益提高了他的什麼插秧費啊 整地費啊又要連動的提高這樣的話農民的收益會被稀釋\n401213\t429946\t農民價格好 他們對的有變這個部分我想我們會來關注又把農民的收益又吃掉了那我最後在短短的時間我來講就是說我們現在在野保法我們事實上都有編了一個針對外來種去侵害到本土的一些叫做野生動物野生動物的時候你看我們在處理埃及聖環效果很好確實讓它數量大幅的減少\n430686\t446795\t那現在這個濾劣溪我們有編這個補助然後去做用獵人去把它做這個移除的這個動作去做這個管制都有產生效果那我現在要跟部長講事實上山區很多真的活害\n449396\t462820\t這要繳多天 這真的是很痛而且它對於農作的損害 非常的嚴重這些猴子 他們奇怪 他們也不是要去吃東西他們那些都是用刺刀的手扶一塊 手扶一塊 手扶一塊 手扶一塊兩隻腳就要用 用尾巴就要繳一塊再來割一刺 繳一刺就割一塊\n478064\t494989\t就根本要把我們送回去所以對農民來說真的是很無奈所以我在想說也許我們因為現在這個猕猴也已經不是保育類動物也許我們也是要正視這個問題然後替農民來解決這些猴害的問題部長這個是不是請你來\n497731\t512590\t這個猕猴已經不是保育類動物牠如果牽扯到我們的生命財產的時候我們是可以去做菩薩的動作只是因為猕猴本身牠的樣子讓人家不願意去動手不過我在這邊也不是危言聳聽以現在的猕猴如果說\n513231\t534065\t我們再不有一個更積極的一個防治作為的時候未來五年齁那相對的齁 這個迷惑不只是在田間齁可能都會走進市區所以我們可能必須要一起來努力有時候齁 這是出一個無奈啦可是我們也認真去想埃及聖環牠是鳥類啊牠長得不像人啊齁阿綠類蜥蜥是爬蟲類啊長得不像人啊齁 阿這個齁 誰做肉的都齁肉的人沒你們的錢就算了連動物圈就沒了捏齁\n543391\t548018\t人家誰做飯的很可憐 人模人樣的說那些就要保護大家這是真的 我覺得我們還是要站在真的產業然後生態的一個平衡然後有時候我們該做適度的處理還是要處理好不好\n559755\t586771\t對外徵求一些有沒有比較好的方法可以來做一些防治的部分那這個部分可能要再更加力道去做一些思考一下啦到底要怎麼做啦因為我在看我們在處理埃及盛環跟處理綠葉溪看起來成果是有的如果既然這樣的成果是有的我們事實上有時候還是站在說怎麼樣去達到一個適度的生態平衡如果這個生態已經失控了\n587251\t592398\t我覺得我們站在政府的部門還是要介入 好不好了解好 謝謝謝謝蔡議員的諮詢\n","txt":"請謝謝趙偉好有請部長我們請部長保定\n如果是這樣看得到這陣子事實上有一些諮詢內容都少了實證少了科學的根據我覺得這樣是不好的所以部長我覺得很多事情是就事論事以科學為背景這個是很重要那我事實上還是講到了我們從去年我們一直在討論的就是這個糧食產業的升級計畫那農業部推出來的這個一級二轉三加三\n那我這樣經過了去年 今年的一個檢驗今年的一期到座 價格是不錯是價格差不多平均 本來我是不清楚 但是我們加一平均起來差不多就有清一口左右 對甚至就比較高其實也有\n這個產地價如果全台灣平均的話它是1132塊全台灣平均1億32然後比去年增加了123塊每百台金這增加的幅度是大的然後如果說講公糧因為大家那時候很重視公糧那事實上我們推出這個方案不只照顧公糧也照顧非公糧的種稻業者也照顧了我們就提高了公糧的部分在福島收購跟雲梁收購\n他的價格跟他的數量都提高嘛對 但是他繳公糧的反而變少了喔對 我是覺得說這件事的成功就是在於說如果113年度第一期到座繳公糧的是29.8萬公噸那114年的時候變成27.9萬公噸那表示繳公糧的反而少了照理我們提高要增加收購公糧的數量應該要繳的要增加 結果反而少了這是一個好現象\n就是這要招去民糧招去民糧而且民糧它是有品牌的那有品牌的話它的米的米質種那個U值品種的比例也變高了那後續的話我想這個台灣的米的品牌的形象就可以建立得更完善然後未來銷到其他的國家的話也可以用這個U值米來行銷\n沒有錯所以這是第一類 就是說這個政策第一個我跟農業部 大家鼓掌第一個讓我們的糧價有提高第二個我看到轉做公糧的面積也提高了轉做雜糧的面積也提高了轉做雜糧的面積增加了2009公頃那我們也提高了雜糧轉做\n一家東達一家一萬戸看起來這個誘因也出來喔這家庭轉租的部分大概我們最後統計是2905公頃對2905公頃那表示說我們的政策除了要照顧稻農以外也要照顧雜糧的農民\n那這個方案其實是已經都有照顧到對 所以看起來這個一期二轉三加三我們這個在今年一期的時候已經看到成果了是啊 二期的部分因為我們這裡剛才就添災災害所以我們二期我們可能看不到在其他的縣市可以反映到所以我想要請教部長那其他的縣市在於今年的這個糧價你一樣會有信心嗎 今年二期的到座我們絕對有信心 現在開始開盤了嘛現在開盤大概是1100塊\n1100嘛所以已經比去年同期增加了80塊現在開盤的價因為現在是二季啦現在已經開了11月8號開始開盤那開盤的價格大概1100每百台金1100如果二期來說這個數字聽起來已經很不錯了也是不錯的數字\n所以我覺得我們的政策方向走對的事實上有些是硬要打你硬要打我們這樣賣事實上最後的結果才是定輸贏所以我覺得這個政策方向對我們應該要繼續支持當然我們現在剛剛有去講到的說黃曉玉的進口的事情會不會衝擊到國內的市場事實上我只想跟部長反映\n他們黃小玉本來台灣的產量就非常不足啦我們都不到一成啦都90幾%都是靠進口但是一直大量依賴進口可是我看到的韓民是完全不同的一個層次所以就是我感覺起來\n這個就是我們現在持續在跟飼料公會在談的就是說第一個部分就是\n他們透過聯合採購可以把價格壓低一點以外那相對的他們的營業稅跟關稅的部分我們也持續的有一些優惠那這些優惠我們都要求他們要回饋到農民 要回饋到農民目前我看起來 回饋到農民的層數沒有因為真的介紹在那裡 尤其部長你可以了解一下漁業署去關心一下魚飼料 哇 漲了一倍耶魚飼料\n真的是有漲這個我們再來持續那特別的產品你剛才講的魚飼料特別的產品我們再來關注但是我們近期也會找這些飼料公會的部分我講的當然是有基期啦不是短期內我講的是這幾年來所以這個飼料的價格會提高這一個已經傷害到了農民\n現在有一點變成說 我覺得現在的生理人也有點過分他看到農民 我回到剛才的車子來說看到農民的車子修繩好 你知道他每天後面生產線的每天工資送給你去給\n你肥料也給你去給農業也給你去給一行就給你去去去就等於農民的收入又把它吃掉了這件事情我覺得部長我們再關心一下謝謝委員提醒就是說這些產業鏈裡面的東西不能因為農民的收益提高了他的什麼插秧費啊 整地費啊又要連動的提高這樣的話農民的收益會被稀釋\n農民價格好 他們對的有變這個部分我想我們會來關注又把農民的收益又吃掉了那我最後在短短的時間我來講就是說我們現在在野保法我們事實上都有編了一個針對外來種去侵害到本土的一些叫做野生動物野生動物的時候你看我們在處理埃及聖環效果很好確實讓它數量大幅的減少\n那現在這個濾劣溪我們有編這個補助然後去做用獵人去把它做這個移除的這個動作去做這個管制都有產生效果那我現在要跟部長講事實上山區很多真的活害\n這要繳多天 這真的是很痛而且它對於農作的損害 非常的嚴重這些猴子 他們奇怪 他們也不是要去吃東西他們那些都是用刺刀的手扶一塊 手扶一塊 手扶一塊 手扶一塊兩隻腳就要用 用尾巴就要繳一塊再來割一刺 繳一刺就割一塊\n就根本要把我們送回去所以對農民來說真的是很無奈所以我在想說也許我們因為現在這個猕猴也已經不是保育類動物也許我們也是要正視這個問題然後替農民來解決這些猴害的問題部長這個是不是請你來\n這個猕猴已經不是保育類動物牠如果牽扯到我們的生命財產的時候我們是可以去做菩薩的動作只是因為猕猴本身牠的樣子讓人家不願意去動手不過我在這邊也不是危言聳聽以現在的猕猴如果說\n我們再不有一個更積極的一個防治作為的時候未來五年齁那相對的齁 這個迷惑不只是在田間齁可能都會走進市區所以我們可能必須要一起來努力有時候齁 這是出一個無奈啦可是我們也認真去想埃及聖環牠是鳥類啊牠長得不像人啊齁阿綠類蜥蜥是爬蟲類啊長得不像人啊齁 阿這個齁 誰做肉的都齁肉的人沒你們的錢就算了連動物圈就沒了捏齁\n人家誰做飯的很可憐 人模人樣的說那些就要保護大家這是真的 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