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00:03:04,918\n接下来我想跟你谈一谈关于花莲县政府有非常多荒谬的行为除了刚刚CL委员说的眼色胡的事情之外我想跟你讨论几个案子来第一个我们办公室上个礼拜才陪同被禅光育幼院开除的前院长开了一个记者会因为禅光育幼院其实在监察院的报告里面我们也看出花莲县政府在身为禅光育幼院的地方主管机关到底做错了哪些事情来第一个我们来看一下\n\n8\n00:03:05,658 --> 00:03:27,417\n你們給了非常非常多的建議看到監察院的報告裡面說花蓮縣政府沒有在第一時間認定禪光育幼院有所謂的不當對待甚至有非常多起的不當對待是在這個院長到任之前其實禪光育幼院長期就有這個現象而花蓮縣政府長期忽視這個事情非常的嚴重還有相關的通報也非常的消極\n\n9\n00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:43,011\n甚至在院裡面發生所謂性平事件也沒有按照流程來處理還有禪光育幼院裡面的工作人員專業資能不足評鑑成績不佳但縣政府沒有積極的協助沒有積極的督導還有縣政府也沒有依照兒少權法修法調整裁罰基準甚至我們發現禪光的董事會組成還違反了財團法人法\n\n10\n00:03:57,203 --> 00:04:16,154\n這個是監察院身為非常重要的監督機關所給予花蓮縣政府的提醒跟糾正我們再往下看花蓮縣政府荒謬不是只有這一件在前一陣子有議員踢爆說花蓮耗資千億蓋餐具清洗中心結果可笑的是\n\n11\n00:04:17,294 --> 00:04:36,208\n縣政府設定的要去用這個餐具清洗中心是所謂東大門夜市的業者現場超過1000攤但是業者說從來沒有人問過我們清洗中心要怎麼用要怎麼收費才合理所以目前其實並沒有業者開始使用這個所謂的餐具清洗中心甚至呢\n\n12\n00:04:38,249 --> 00:05:05,266\n之前清洗中心的硬體設施已經進入驗收階段卻被爆料出來說在興建之前根本也沒有進行先期評估而到目前為止也沒有業者敢去承包委外經營的業務勢必這一棟館耗資千億的餐具清洗中心會再成為花蓮縣的文字館加一這件事情也非常的荒謬再往下看\n\n13\n00:05:06,806 --> 00:05:25,304\n眼色湖的事件我們看到有非常多的委員也在質詢我非常認同司藥委員剛剛所說的不管是中央還是地方政府有責任該查我們就查該負責就要負責在非常多悲傷的案例當中我們看到另外一個比較正向的花蓮縣政府\n\n14\n00:05:25,945 --> 00:05:42,478\n沒有好好指揮但是大馬村村長王村長他的女兒本身也是我們台灣的足球國手女足國手我們看到這個困境而當時呢到目前為止我們看到更荒謬現象我們往下看昨天有一個相關的新聞喔\n\n15\n00:05:44,386 --> 00:06:06,283\n在地方跟中央當地的救災團隊大家為了快速溝通很多事情所以組成了一個所謂對話群組結果呢在昨天其實是前一天的晚上發生了一個荒謬的事情由花蓮縣民政局帶頭退出這個對話群組然後呢已讀不回\n\n16\n00:06:07,083 --> 00:06:20,388\n甚至還說以後有任何行政指導請以正式公文或會議傳達講到目前為止我講了非常多花蓮縣政府荒謬的狀況我們再往下看\n\n17\n00:06:24,495 --> 00:06:31,200\n0206有很大一筆錢當年捐進花蓮縣政府在2018年的時候而這筆善款呢當時湧入了28億我再次強調28億而這筆善款呢\n\n18\n00:06:39,485 --> 00:07:06,654\n當時他的管理機關是花蓮縣政府因為他們成立了一個花蓮縣重大災害民間震災捐款專戶管理委員會而這個委員會的主管機關就是花蓮縣政府這是不是一種求援兼裁判結果被有心的網友認真的盤點了相關他們所謂公佈他們認為自己有透明他們有公開的相關善款明細我們看到一年花光10億\n\n19\n00:07:08,374 --> 00:07:33,590\n甚至有非常多的這些錢的去處是去支應花蓮縣當地的公共基礎建設根本沒有用在所謂受災災民身上但是不要忘記當時台灣人熱情湧入這個28億的捐款是為了直接幫助災民但卻變成縣政府的小金庫拿去做所謂公共基礎建設這是合理的嗎\n\n20\n00:07:34,932 --> 00:08:01,379\n再來下一個甚至我們之前就有看到有非常多的網友有分享一個照片他說他當時就是有捐款給花蓮縣政府甚至還收到一個荒謬的光碟這個光碟裡面滿滿的是花蓮縣政府當時的縣長他們自己的豐功偉業的一個照片紀錄光碟紀錄跟副秘書長報告我自己的好多朋友也有收到我自己也有收到我當年也有捐款\n\n21\n00:08:02,679 --> 00:08:19,333\n我覺得非常非常的荒謬到目前為止當然你們就這個案子有糾正過還有限制性招標的問題啦地震專輯啦光碟壓制動用不同預算科目還有甚至辦所謂感恩參會還有就是用一千多萬辦所謂的聯合祭典還有大法會\n\n22\n00:08:21,054 --> 00:08:31,933\n甚至花蓮縣政府這幾年也在非常多地方預算裡面你們也有糾正過他們不斷的辦所謂五教六教聯合法會這個其實都有非常非常多的問題\n\n23\n00:08:33,416 --> 00:09:01,273\n好還有7.2億到哪裡去了花蓮縣政府的議員也直接問花蓮縣政府我講了這麼多花了七八分鐘講這麼多我要直接說花蓮縣政府不管是傅寬琦委員當縣長的時候或者是徐振蔚縣長夫妻輪流執政輪流當縣長輪流當立法委員把花蓮當成自己的囊中物的這二十幾年當中花蓮縣政府整個花蓮縣變成一個大家不想去的地方\n\n24\n00:09:02,594 --> 00:09:29,304\n而這一次有非常多產值超人然後網路上也有非常多的義工網路上有非常多的物資超人各式各樣的超人大家用自己的心去支持花蓮可是我們看到的是富坤崎委員繼續在中央甩鍋給中央到地方甩鍋給自己的鄉鎮市政府鄉鎮市區公所這些主管們他自己沒有事情徐政衛也沒有事情所以我要再次呼籲拜託監察院\n\n25\n00:09:31,001 --> 00:09:49,635\n第一個我希望我們所有的善款不管是過去或者是目前我要跟您報告目前花蓮縣政府針對這一次的顏色湖風災他們有開捐款帳戶喔當然已經有很多民眾呼籲不要捐給花蓮縣政府請直接捐到衛福部主管這個震災基金會\n\n26\n00:09:50,396 --> 00:09:57,218\n所以確實台灣人這一次做出了相對明智的選擇可是我要再次提醒連韓國瑜院長都在他自己的社群媒體上發文說他捐錢給花蓮縣政府關心顏色湖的災民連我們的韓國瑜院長都做了看起來不大明智的選擇我當然尊重他他有他的判斷但是我要說大部分人跟他選擇是不一樣的\n\n27\n00:10:13,404 --> 00:10:14,407\n所以我想後續不管是這一次顏色湖或是之前0206的花蓮正哉的這些善款監察院這邊我們還有什麼樣的角色可以監督\n\n28\n00:10:23,763 --> 00:10:52,794\n跟委員說明一下那個花蓮0206的這個地震震災的那個部分我們是有調查案也有糾正剛剛委員有說明那有關於善款的那個部分呢看看因為那個原案應該已經結案了因為時間比較長久那看看善款的部分有沒有後續在追蹤的部分好那這一次呢包含這一次這一次的部分目前剛剛立案\n\n29\n00:10:53,834 --> 00:11:21,809\n剛剛10月2號才立案的所以就是原則上調查委員是希望以救災優先我們尊重絕對救災優先而且還有重建的議題是所以我們是會尊重調查委員的一個職權那相關的委員的意見我們會轉達給調查委員因為這一次顏色虎真的不是只有錢的問題我要提醒我要呼籲社會大眾一起關注人命關天\n\n30\n00:11:22,589 --> 00:11:48,596\n這一次有非常多人因此而上身就是因為縣政府撤離計畫不清不楚甚至我們的縣長還出國沒有在第一時間跟中央指揮緊急應變中心站在一起是有傅坤祺委員參與甚至傅坤祺委員自己公開說縣長出國是因為內政部部長打電話給他他才回國的我認為相關疏失我們要積極的監督好不好好謝謝監察院謝謝謝謝主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4244\t30269\t好 那副秘書長喝水了嗎好 謝謝 那有請陳委員好好 今天早上我聽了幾個委員的質詢我想要提一下我個人的觀感我剛才聽到歐小玲委員在問這個關於院長請假的部分一直以來我知道你們都做了非常多的說明但是我在這裡要公開譴責相關委員的發言我認為這是沒有人性到的極致\n31209\t53175\t在成為一個政治人物之前我們每一個都是一個很重要的有獨立思考的個體我們必須要先是一個人才可以是一個政治工作者但很可惜的是我們看到非常多在野黨的委員屢次用院長現在的狀況攻擊監察院甚至做出很多不實的指控我想監察院這邊應該要更具體的\n54235\t81587\t硬起來把你們的態度把對於人的關懷說清楚說明白而不是一再成為在野黨委員消費的工具這個部分可不可以請你們簡單回應一下就是謝謝委員提及那有關於本院院長的請假的那個部分的確是當然是因為身體的關係不得已請假那可是\n82327\t104233\t院長請假完全依照法律的規定在處理完全沒有任何的調整折扣而且相關的程序我們也都有呈報到總統那邊這個是第一點第二點呢是院長自己主動願意拋棄他的心縫這個這一點是院長主動的也沒有任何的\n105333\t130410\t院裡面也沒有任何的要求也不是外界要求是院長主動那這點應該要完全與尊重那我們也曾經發新聞稿說明過所以呢其他的部分至於說細項的部分有很多的部分一定是屬於個人資料的部分就依法就是不得公開的那也不方便再做進一步的捧清那我可以說的是\n131391\t155118\t的確是主動繳回而且是他的興奉就是主動繳回好 謝謝您的說明我認為我也要呼籲所有在野黨委員請就此停住不要再做人身攻擊不要忘了自己也是一個人也不要忘了你家中可能也有親戚朋友長輩可能也正在醫院也正需要醫療的照顧我想這件事情非常非常的重要\n155538\t184918\t接下来我想跟你谈一谈关于花莲县政府有非常多荒谬的行为除了刚刚CL委员说的眼色胡的事情之外我想跟你讨论几个案子来第一个我们办公室上个礼拜才陪同被禅光育幼院开除的前院长开了一个记者会因为禅光育幼院其实在监察院的报告里面我们也看出花莲县政府在身为禅光育幼院的地方主管机关到底做错了哪些事情来第一个我们来看一下\n185658\t207417\t你們給了非常非常多的建議看到監察院的報告裡面說花蓮縣政府沒有在第一時間認定禪光育幼院有所謂的不當對待甚至有非常多起的不當對待是在這個院長到任之前其實禪光育幼院長期就有這個現象而花蓮縣政府長期忽視這個事情非常的嚴重還有相關的通報也非常的消極\n210680\t223011\t甚至在院裡面發生所謂性平事件也沒有按照流程來處理還有禪光育幼院裡面的工作人員專業資能不足 評鑑成績不佳但縣政府沒有積極的協助 沒有積極的督導還有縣政府也沒有依照兒少權法修法調整裁罰基準甚至我們發現禪光的董事會組成還違反了財團法人法\n237203\t256154\t這個是監察院身為非常重要的監督機關所給予花蓮縣政府的提醒跟糾正我們再往下看花蓮縣政府荒謬不是只有這一件在前一陣子有議員踢爆說花蓮耗資千億蓋餐具清洗中心結果可笑的是\n257294\t276208\t縣政府設定的要去用這個餐具清洗中心是所謂東大門夜市的業者現場超過1000攤但是業者說從來沒有人問過我們清洗中心要怎麼用要怎麼收費才合理所以目前其實並沒有業者開始使用這個所謂的餐具清洗中心甚至呢\n278249\t305266\t之前清洗中心的硬體設施已經進入驗收階段卻被爆料出來說在興建之前根本也沒有進行先期評估而到目前為止也沒有業者敢去承包委外經營的業務勢必這一棟館耗資千億的餐具清洗中心會再成為花蓮縣的文字館加一這件事情也非常的荒謬再往下看\n306806\t325304\t眼色湖的事件我們看到有非常多的委員也在質詢我非常認同司藥委員剛剛所說的不管是中央還是地方政府有責任該查我們就查該負責就要負責在非常多悲傷的案例當中我們看到另外一個比較正向的花蓮縣政府\n325945\t342478\t沒有好好指揮但是大馬村村長王村長他的女兒本身也是我們台灣的足球國手女足國手我們看到這個困境而當時呢到目前為止我們看到更荒謬現象我們往下看昨天有一個相關的新聞喔\n344386\t366283\t在地方跟中央當地的救災團隊大家為了快速溝通很多事情所以組成了一個所謂對話群組結果呢在昨天其實是前一天的晚上發生了一個荒謬的事情由花蓮縣民政局帶頭退出這個對話群組然後呢已讀不回\n367083\t380388\t甚至還說以後有任何行政指導請以正式公文或會議傳達講到目前為止我講了非常多花蓮縣政府荒謬的狀況我們再往下看\n384495\t391200\t0206有很大一筆錢當年捐進花蓮縣政府在2018年的時候而這筆善款呢當時湧入了28億我再次強調28億而這筆善款呢\n399485\t426654\t當時他的管理機關是花蓮縣政府因為他們成立了一個花蓮縣重大災害民間震災捐款專戶管理委員會而這個委員會的主管機關就是花蓮縣政府這是不是一種求援兼裁判結果被有心的網友認真的盤點了相關他們所謂公佈他們認為自己有透明他們有公開的相關善款明細我們看到一年花光10億\n428374\t453590\t甚至有非常多的這些錢的去處是去支應花蓮縣當地的公共基礎建設根本沒有用在所謂受災災民身上但是不要忘記當時台灣人熱情湧入這個28億的捐款是為了直接幫助災民但卻變成縣政府的小金庫拿去做所謂公共基礎建設這是合理的嗎\n454932\t481379\t再來下一個甚至我們之前就有看到有非常多的網友有分享一個照片他說他當時就是有捐款給花蓮縣政府甚至還收到一個荒謬的光碟這個光碟裡面滿滿的是花蓮縣政府當時的縣長他們自己的豐功偉業的一個照片紀錄光碟紀錄跟副秘書長報告我自己的好多朋友也有收到我自己也有收到我當年也有捐款\n482679\t499333\t我覺得非常非常的荒謬到目前為止當然你們就這個案子有糾正過還有限制性招標的問題啦地震專輯啦光碟壓制動用不同預算科目還有甚至辦所謂感恩參會還有就是用一千多萬辦所謂的聯合祭典還有大法會\n501054\t511933\t甚至花蓮縣政府這幾年也在非常多地方預算裡面你們也有糾正過他們不斷的辦所謂五教六教聯合法會這個其實都有非常非常多的問題\n513416\t541273\t好還有7.2億到哪裡去了花蓮縣政府的議員也直接問花蓮縣政府我講了這麼多花了七八分鐘講這麼多我要直接說花蓮縣政府不管是傅寬琦委員當縣長的時候或者是徐振蔚縣長夫妻輪流執政輪流當縣長輪流當立法委員把花蓮當成自己的囊中物的這二十幾年當中花蓮縣政府整個花蓮縣變成一個大家不想去的地方\n542594\t569304\t而這一次有非常多產值超人然後網路上也有非常多的義工網路上有非常多的物資超人各式各樣的超人大家用自己的心去支持花蓮可是我們看到的是富坤崎委員繼續在中央甩鍋給中央到地方甩鍋給自己的鄉鎮市政府鄉鎮市區公所這些主管們他自己沒有事情徐政衛也沒有事情所以我要再次呼籲拜託監察院\n571001\t589635\t第一個我希望我們所有的善款不管是過去或者是目前我要跟您報告目前花蓮縣政府針對這一次的顏色湖風災他們有開捐款帳戶喔當然已經有很多民眾呼籲不要捐給花蓮縣政府請直接捐到衛福部主管這個震災基金會\n590396\t597218\t所以確實台灣人這一次做出了相對明智的選擇可是我要再次提醒連韓國瑜院長都在他自己的社群媒體上發文說他捐錢給花蓮縣政府關心顏色湖的災民連我們的韓國瑜院長都做了看起來不大明智的選擇我當然尊重他他有他的判斷但是我要說大部分人跟他選擇是不一樣的\n613404\t614407\t所以我想後續不管是這一次顏色湖或是之前0206的花蓮正哉的這些善款監察院這邊我們還有什麼樣的角色可以監督\n623763\t652794\t跟委員說明一下那個花蓮0206的這個地震 震災的那個部分我們是有調查案也有糾正剛剛委員有說明那有關於善款的那個部分呢看看因為那個原案應該已經結案了因為時間比較長久那看看善款的部分有沒有後續在追蹤的部分好 那這一次呢包含這一次這一次的部分目前剛剛立案\n653834\t681809\t剛剛10月2號才立案的所以就是原則上調查委員是希望以救災優先我們尊重絕對救災優先而且還有重建的議題是所以我們是會尊重調查委員的一個職權那相關的委員的意見我們會轉達給調查委員因為這一次顏色虎真的不是只有錢的問題我要提醒我要呼籲社會大眾一起關注人命關天\n682589\t708596\t這一次有非常多人因此而上身就是因為縣政府撤離計畫不清不楚甚至我們的縣長還出國沒有在第一時間跟中央指揮緊急應變中心站在一起是有傅坤祺委員參與甚至傅坤祺委員自己公開說縣長出國是因為內政部部長打電話給他他才回國的我認為相關疏失我們要積極的監督好不好好謝謝監察院謝謝謝謝主席\n","txt":"好 那副秘書長喝水了嗎好 謝謝 那有請陳委員好好 今天早上我聽了幾個委員的質詢我想要提一下我個人的觀感我剛才聽到歐小玲委員在問這個關於院長請假的部分一直以來我知道你們都做了非常多的說明但是我在這裡要公開譴責相關委員的發言我認為這是沒有人性到的極致\n在成為一個政治人物之前我們每一個都是一個很重要的有獨立思考的個體我們必須要先是一個人才可以是一個政治工作者但很可惜的是我們看到非常多在野黨的委員屢次用院長現在的狀況攻擊監察院甚至做出很多不實的指控我想監察院這邊應該要更具體的\n硬起來把你們的態度把對於人的關懷說清楚說明白而不是一再成為在野黨委員消費的工具這個部分可不可以請你們簡單回應一下就是謝謝委員提及那有關於本院院長的請假的那個部分的確是當然是因為身體的關係不得已請假那可是\n院長請假完全依照法律的規定在處理完全沒有任何的調整折扣而且相關的程序我們也都有呈報到總統那邊這個是第一點第二點呢是院長自己主動願意拋棄他的心縫這個這一點是院長主動的也沒有任何的\n院裡面也沒有任何的要求也不是外界要求是院長主動那這點應該要完全與尊重那我們也曾經發新聞稿說明過所以呢其他的部分至於說細項的部分有很多的部分一定是屬於個人資料的部分就依法就是不得公開的那也不方便再做進一步的捧清那我可以說的是\n的確是主動繳回而且是他的興奉就是主動繳回好 謝謝您的說明我認為我也要呼籲所有在野黨委員請就此停住不要再做人身攻擊不要忘了自己也是一個人也不要忘了你家中可能也有親戚朋友長輩可能也正在醫院也正需要醫療的照顧我想這件事情非常非常的重要\n接下来我想跟你谈一谈关于花莲县政府有非常多荒谬的行为除了刚刚CL委员说的眼色胡的事情之外我想跟你讨论几个案子来第一个我们办公室上个礼拜才陪同被禅光育幼院开除的前院长开了一个记者会因为禅光育幼院其实在监察院的报告里面我们也看出花莲县政府在身为禅光育幼院的地方主管机关到底做错了哪些事情来第一个我们来看一下\n你們給了非常非常多的建議看到監察院的報告裡面說花蓮縣政府沒有在第一時間認定禪光育幼院有所謂的不當對待甚至有非常多起的不當對待是在這個院長到任之前其實禪光育幼院長期就有這個現象而花蓮縣政府長期忽視這個事情非常的嚴重還有相關的通報也非常的消極\n甚至在院裡面發生所謂性平事件也沒有按照流程來處理還有禪光育幼院裡面的工作人員專業資能不足 評鑑成績不佳但縣政府沒有積極的協助 沒有積極的督導還有縣政府也沒有依照兒少權法修法調整裁罰基準甚至我們發現禪光的董事會組成還違反了財團法人法\n這個是監察院身為非常重要的監督機關所給予花蓮縣政府的提醒跟糾正我們再往下看花蓮縣政府荒謬不是只有這一件在前一陣子有議員踢爆說花蓮耗資千億蓋餐具清洗中心結果可笑的是\n縣政府設定的要去用這個餐具清洗中心是所謂東大門夜市的業者現場超過1000攤但是業者說從來沒有人問過我們清洗中心要怎麼用要怎麼收費才合理所以目前其實並沒有業者開始使用這個所謂的餐具清洗中心甚至呢\n之前清洗中心的硬體設施已經進入驗收階段卻被爆料出來說在興建之前根本也沒有進行先期評估而到目前為止也沒有業者敢去承包委外經營的業務勢必這一棟館耗資千億的餐具清洗中心會再成為花蓮縣的文字館加一這件事情也非常的荒謬再往下看\n眼色湖的事件我們看到有非常多的委員也在質詢我非常認同司藥委員剛剛所說的不管是中央還是地方政府有責任該查我們就查該負責就要負責在非常多悲傷的案例當中我們看到另外一個比較正向的花蓮縣政府\n沒有好好指揮但是大馬村村長王村長他的女兒本身也是我們台灣的足球國手女足國手我們看到這個困境而當時呢到目前為止我們看到更荒謬現象我們往下看昨天有一個相關的新聞喔\n在地方跟中央當地的救災團隊大家為了快速溝通很多事情所以組成了一個所謂對話群組結果呢在昨天其實是前一天的晚上發生了一個荒謬的事情由花蓮縣民政局帶頭退出這個對話群組然後呢已讀不回\n甚至還說以後有任何行政指導請以正式公文或會議傳達講到目前為止我講了非常多花蓮縣政府荒謬的狀況我們再往下看\n0206有很大一筆錢當年捐進花蓮縣政府在2018年的時候而這筆善款呢當時湧入了28億我再次強調28億而這筆善款呢\n當時他的管理機關是花蓮縣政府因為他們成立了一個花蓮縣重大災害民間震災捐款專戶管理委員會而這個委員會的主管機關就是花蓮縣政府這是不是一種求援兼裁判結果被有心的網友認真的盤點了相關他們所謂公佈他們認為自己有透明他們有公開的相關善款明細我們看到一年花光10億\n甚至有非常多的這些錢的去處是去支應花蓮縣當地的公共基礎建設根本沒有用在所謂受災災民身上但是不要忘記當時台灣人熱情湧入這個28億的捐款是為了直接幫助災民但卻變成縣政府的小金庫拿去做所謂公共基礎建設這是合理的嗎\n再來下一個甚至我們之前就有看到有非常多的網友有分享一個照片他說他當時就是有捐款給花蓮縣政府甚至還收到一個荒謬的光碟這個光碟裡面滿滿的是花蓮縣政府當時的縣長他們自己的豐功偉業的一個照片紀錄光碟紀錄跟副秘書長報告我自己的好多朋友也有收到我自己也有收到我當年也有捐款\n我覺得非常非常的荒謬到目前為止當然你們就這個案子有糾正過還有限制性招標的問題啦地震專輯啦光碟壓制動用不同預算科目還有甚至辦所謂感恩參會還有就是用一千多萬辦所謂的聯合祭典還有大法會\n甚至花蓮縣政府這幾年也在非常多地方預算裡面你們也有糾正過他們不斷的辦所謂五教六教聯合法會這個其實都有非常非常多的問題\n好還有7.2億到哪裡去了花蓮縣政府的議員也直接問花蓮縣政府我講了這麼多花了七八分鐘講這麼多我要直接說花蓮縣政府不管是傅寬琦委員當縣長的時候或者是徐振蔚縣長夫妻輪流執政輪流當縣長輪流當立法委員把花蓮當成自己的囊中物的這二十幾年當中花蓮縣政府整個花蓮縣變成一個大家不想去的地方\n而這一次有非常多產值超人然後網路上也有非常多的義工網路上有非常多的物資超人各式各樣的超人大家用自己的心去支持花蓮可是我們看到的是富坤崎委員繼續在中央甩鍋給中央到地方甩鍋給自己的鄉鎮市政府鄉鎮市區公所這些主管們他自己沒有事情徐政衛也沒有事情所以我要再次呼籲拜託監察院\n第一個我希望我們所有的善款不管是過去或者是目前我要跟您報告目前花蓮縣政府針對這一次的顏色湖風災他們有開捐款帳戶喔當然已經有很多民眾呼籲不要捐給花蓮縣政府請直接捐到衛福部主管這個震災基金會\n所以確實台灣人這一次做出了相對明智的選擇可是我要再次提醒連韓國瑜院長都在他自己的社群媒體上發文說他捐錢給花蓮縣政府關心顏色湖的災民連我們的韓國瑜院長都做了看起來不大明智的選擇我當然尊重他他有他的判斷但是我要說大部分人跟他選擇是不一樣的\n所以我想後續不管是這一次顏色湖或是之前0206的花蓮正哉的這些善款監察院這邊我們還有什麼樣的角色可以監督\n跟委員說明一下那個花蓮0206的這個地震 震災的那個部分我們是有調查案也有糾正剛剛委員有說明那有關於善款的那個部分呢看看因為那個原案應該已經結案了因為時間比較長久那看看善款的部分有沒有後續在追蹤的部分好 那這一次呢包含這一次這一次的部分目前剛剛立案\n剛剛10月2號才立案的所以就是原則上調查委員是希望以救災優先我們尊重絕對救災優先而且還有重建的議題是所以我們是會尊重調查委員的一個職權那相關的委員的意見我們會轉達給調查委員因為這一次顏色虎真的不是只有錢的問題我要提醒我要呼籲社會大眾一起關注人命關天\n這一次有非常多人因此而上身就是因為縣政府撤離計畫不清不楚甚至我們的縣長還出國沒有在第一時間跟中央指揮緊急應變中心站在一起是有傅坤祺委員參與甚至傅坤祺委員自己公開說縣長出國是因為內政部部長打電話給他他才回國的我認為相關疏失我們要積極的監督好不好好謝謝監察院謝謝謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.244 --> 00:30.269\n好那副秘書長喝水了嗎好謝謝那有請陳委員好好今天早上我聽了幾個委員的質詢我想要提一下我個人的觀感我剛才聽到歐小玲委員在問這個關於院長請假的部分一直以來我知道你們都做了非常多的說明但是我在這裡要公開譴責相關委員的發言我認為這是沒有人性到的極致\n\n00:31.209 --> 00:53.175\n在成為一個政治人物之前我們每一個都是一個很重要的有獨立思考的個體我們必須要先是一個人才可以是一個政治工作者但很可惜的是我們看到非常多在野黨的委員屢次用院長現在的狀況攻擊監察院甚至做出很多不實的指控我想監察院這邊應該要更具體的\n\n00:54.235 --> 01:21.587\n硬起來把你們的態度把對於人的關懷說清楚說明白而不是一再成為在野黨委員消費的工具這個部分可不可以請你們簡單回應一下就是謝謝委員提及那有關於本院院長的請假的那個部分的確是當然是因為身體的關係不得已請假那可是\n\n01:22.327 --> 01:44.233\n院長請假完全依照法律的規定在處理完全沒有任何的調整折扣而且相關的程序我們也都有呈報到總統那邊這個是第一點第二點呢是院長自己主動願意拋棄他的心縫這個這一點是院長主動的也沒有任何的\n\n01:45.333 --> 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05:05.266\n之前清洗中心的硬體設施已經進入驗收階段卻被爆料出來說在興建之前根本也沒有進行先期評估而到目前為止也沒有業者敢去承包委外經營的業務勢必這一棟館耗資千億的餐具清洗中心會再成為花蓮縣的文字館加一這件事情也非常的荒謬再往下看\n\n05:06.806 --> 05:25.304\n眼色湖的事件我們看到有非常多的委員也在質詢我非常認同司藥委員剛剛所說的不管是中央還是地方政府有責任該查我們就查該負責就要負責在非常多悲傷的案例當中我們看到另外一個比較正向的花蓮縣政府\n\n05:25.945 --> 05:42.478\n沒有好好指揮但是大馬村村長王村長他的女兒本身也是我們台灣的足球國手女足國手我們看到這個困境而當時呢到目前為止我們看到更荒謬現象我們往下看昨天有一個相關的新聞喔\n\n05:44.386 --> 06:06.283\n在地方跟中央當地的救災團隊大家為了快速溝通很多事情所以組成了一個所謂對話群組結果呢在昨天其實是前一天的晚上發生了一個荒謬的事情由花蓮縣民政局帶頭退出這個對話群組然後呢已讀不回\n\n06:07.083 --> 06:20.388\n甚至還說以後有任何行政指導請以正式公文或會議傳達講到目前為止我講了非常多花蓮縣政府荒謬的狀況我們再往下看\n\n06:24.495 --> 06:31.200\n0206有很大一筆錢當年捐進花蓮縣政府在2018年的時候而這筆善款呢當時湧入了28億我再次強調28億而這筆善款呢\n\n06:39.485 --> 07:06.654\n當時他的管理機關是花蓮縣政府因為他們成立了一個花蓮縣重大災害民間震災捐款專戶管理委員會而這個委員會的主管機關就是花蓮縣政府這是不是一種求援兼裁判結果被有心的網友認真的盤點了相關他們所謂公佈他們認為自己有透明他們有公開的相關善款明細我們看到一年花光10億\n\n07:08.374 --> 07:33.590\n甚至有非常多的這些錢的去處是去支應花蓮縣當地的公共基礎建設根本沒有用在所謂受災災民身上但是不要忘記當時台灣人熱情湧入這個28億的捐款是為了直接幫助災民但卻變成縣政府的小金庫拿去做所謂公共基礎建設這是合理的嗎\n\n07:34.932 --> 08:01.379\n再來下一個甚至我們之前就有看到有非常多的網友有分享一個照片他說他當時就是有捐款給花蓮縣政府甚至還收到一個荒謬的光碟這個光碟裡面滿滿的是花蓮縣政府當時的縣長他們自己的豐功偉業的一個照片紀錄光碟紀錄跟副秘書長報告我自己的好多朋友也有收到我自己也有收到我當年也有捐款\n\n08:02.679 --> 08:19.333\n我覺得非常非常的荒謬到目前為止當然你們就這個案子有糾正過還有限制性招標的問題啦地震專輯啦光碟壓制動用不同預算科目還有甚至辦所謂感恩參會還有就是用一千多萬辦所謂的聯合祭典還有大法會\n\n08:21.054 --> 08:31.933\n甚至花蓮縣政府這幾年也在非常多地方預算裡面你們也有糾正過他們不斷的辦所謂五教六教聯合法會這個其實都有非常非常多的問題\n\n08:33.416 --> 09:01.273\n好還有7.2億到哪裡去了花蓮縣政府的議員也直接問花蓮縣政府我講了這麼多花了七八分鐘講這麼多我要直接說花蓮縣政府不管是傅寬琦委員當縣長的時候或者是徐振蔚縣長夫妻輪流執政輪流當縣長輪流當立法委員把花蓮當成自己的囊中物的這二十幾年當中花蓮縣政府整個花蓮縣變成一個大家不想去的地方\n\n09:02.594 --> 09:29.304\n而這一次有非常多產值超人然後網路上也有非常多的義工網路上有非常多的物資超人各式各樣的超人大家用自己的心去支持花蓮可是我們看到的是富坤崎委員繼續在中央甩鍋給中央到地方甩鍋給自己的鄉鎮市政府鄉鎮市區公所這些主管們他自己沒有事情徐政衛也沒有事情所以我要再次呼籲拜託監察院\n\n09:31.001 --> 09:49.635\n第一個我希望我們所有的善款不管是過去或者是目前我要跟您報告目前花蓮縣政府針對這一次的顏色湖風災他們有開捐款帳戶喔當然已經有很多民眾呼籲不要捐給花蓮縣政府請直接捐到衛福部主管這個震災基金會\n\n09:50.396 --> 09:57.218\n所以確實台灣人這一次做出了相對明智的選擇可是我要再次提醒連韓國瑜院長都在他自己的社群媒體上發文說他捐錢給花蓮縣政府關心顏色湖的災民連我們的韓國瑜院長都做了看起來不大明智的選擇我當然尊重他他有他的判斷但是我要說大部分人跟他選擇是不一樣的\n\n10:13.404 --> 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沒有積極的督導還有縣政府也沒有依照兒少權法修法調整裁罰基準甚至我們發現禪光的董事會組成還違反了財團法人法"},{"start":237.203,"end":256.154,"text":"這個是監察院身為非常重要的監督機關所給予花蓮縣政府的提醒跟糾正我們再往下看花蓮縣政府荒謬不是只有這一件在前一陣子有議員踢爆說花蓮耗資千億蓋餐具清洗中心結果可笑的是"},{"start":257.294,"end":276.208,"text":"縣政府設定的要去用這個餐具清洗中心是所謂東大門夜市的業者現場超過1000攤但是業者說從來沒有人問過我們清洗中心要怎麼用要怎麼收費才合理所以目前其實並沒有業者開始使用這個所謂的餐具清洗中心甚至呢"},{"start":278.249,"end":305.266,"text":"之前清洗中心的硬體設施已經進入驗收階段卻被爆料出來說在興建之前根本也沒有進行先期評估而到目前為止也沒有業者敢去承包委外經營的業務勢必這一棟館耗資千億的餐具清洗中心會再成為花蓮縣的文字館加一這件事情也非常的荒謬再往下看"},{"start":306.806,"end":325.304,"text":"眼色湖的事件我們看到有非常多的委員也在質詢我非常認同司藥委員剛剛所說的不管是中央還是地方政府有責任該查我們就查該負責就要負責在非常多悲傷的案例當中我們看到另外一個比較正向的花蓮縣政府"},{"start":325.945,"end":342.478,"text":"沒有好好指揮但是大馬村村長王村長他的女兒本身也是我們台灣的足球國手女足國手我們看到這個困境而當時呢到目前為止我們看到更荒謬現象我們往下看昨天有一個相關的新聞喔"},{"start":344.386,"end":366.283,"text":"在地方跟中央當地的救災團隊大家為了快速溝通很多事情所以組成了一個所謂對話群組結果呢在昨天其實是前一天的晚上發生了一個荒謬的事情由花蓮縣民政局帶頭退出這個對話群組然後呢已讀不回"},{"start":367.083,"end":380.388,"text":"甚至還說以後有任何行政指導請以正式公文或會議傳達講到目前為止我講了非常多花蓮縣政府荒謬的狀況我們再往下看"},{"start":384.495,"end":391.2,"text":"0206有很大一筆錢當年捐進花蓮縣政府在2018年的時候而這筆善款呢當時湧入了28億我再次強調28億而這筆善款呢"},{"start":399.485,"end":426.654,"text":"當時他的管理機關是花蓮縣政府因為他們成立了一個花蓮縣重大災害民間震災捐款專戶管理委員會而這個委員會的主管機關就是花蓮縣政府這是不是一種求援兼裁判結果被有心的網友認真的盤點了相關他們所謂公佈他們認為自己有透明他們有公開的相關善款明細我們看到一年花光10億"},{"start":428.374,"end":453.59,"text":"甚至有非常多的這些錢的去處是去支應花蓮縣當地的公共基礎建設根本沒有用在所謂受災災民身上但是不要忘記當時台灣人熱情湧入這個28億的捐款是為了直接幫助災民但卻變成縣政府的小金庫拿去做所謂公共基礎建設這是合理的嗎"},{"start":454.932,"end":481.379,"text":"再來下一個甚至我們之前就有看到有非常多的網友有分享一個照片他說他當時就是有捐款給花蓮縣政府甚至還收到一個荒謬的光碟這個光碟裡面滿滿的是花蓮縣政府當時的縣長他們自己的豐功偉業的一個照片紀錄光碟紀錄跟副秘書長報告我自己的好多朋友也有收到我自己也有收到我當年也有捐款"},{"start":482.679,"end":499.333,"text":"我覺得非常非常的荒謬到目前為止當然你們就這個案子有糾正過還有限制性招標的問題啦地震專輯啦光碟壓制動用不同預算科目還有甚至辦所謂感恩參會還有就是用一千多萬辦所謂的聯合祭典還有大法會"},{"start":501.054,"end":511.933,"text":"甚至花蓮縣政府這幾年也在非常多地方預算裡面你們也有糾正過他們不斷的辦所謂五教六教聯合法會這個其實都有非常非常多的問題"},{"start":513.416,"end":541.273,"text":"好還有7.2億到哪裡去了花蓮縣政府的議員也直接問花蓮縣政府我講了這麼多花了七八分鐘講這麼多我要直接說花蓮縣政府不管是傅寬琦委員當縣長的時候或者是徐振蔚縣長夫妻輪流執政輪流當縣長輪流當立法委員把花蓮當成自己的囊中物的這二十幾年當中花蓮縣政府整個花蓮縣變成一個大家不想去的地方"},{"start":542.594,"end":569.304,"text":"而這一次有非常多產值超人然後網路上也有非常多的義工網路上有非常多的物資超人各式各樣的超人大家用自己的心去支持花蓮可是我們看到的是富坤崎委員繼續在中央甩鍋給中央到地方甩鍋給自己的鄉鎮市政府鄉鎮市區公所這些主管們他自己沒有事情徐政衛也沒有事情所以我要再次呼籲拜託監察院"},{"start":571.001,"end":589.635,"text":"第一個我希望我們所有的善款不管是過去或者是目前我要跟您報告目前花蓮縣政府針對這一次的顏色湖風災他們有開捐款帳戶喔當然已經有很多民眾呼籲不要捐給花蓮縣政府請直接捐到衛福部主管這個震災基金會"},{"start":590.396,"end":597.218,"text":"所以確實台灣人這一次做出了相對明智的選擇可是我要再次提醒連韓國瑜院長都在他自己的社群媒體上發文說他捐錢給花蓮縣政府關心顏色湖的災民連我們的韓國瑜院長都做了看起來不大明智的選擇我當然尊重他他有他的判斷但是我要說大部分人跟他選擇是不一樣的"},{"start":613.404,"end":614.407,"text":"所以我想後續不管是這一次顏色湖或是之前0206的花蓮正哉的這些善款監察院這邊我們還有什麼樣的角色可以監督"},{"start":623.763,"end":652.794,"text":"跟委員說明一下那個花蓮0206的這個地震 震災的那個部分我們是有調查案也有糾正剛剛委員有說明那有關於善款的那個部分呢看看因為那個原案應該已經結案了因為時間比較長久那看看善款的部分有沒有後續在追蹤的部分好 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