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\"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:05,124 --> 00:00:09,185\n好謝謝主席各位官員各位委員大家早有請谷主委有請谷主委總委員好谷主委早首先先非常感謝這個客家委員會谷主委對地方文化活動的支持這個客委員會原本在今年114年的新北市客家藝名祭文化節的經費\n\n2\n00:00:30,219 --> 00:00:52,311\n原本核定的是100萬那因為當時地方新北市政府有提出他的參與的內容有很多包含青年參與的部分那我非常感謝谷主委這邊因為有看到青年然後整個活動非常的這個充實所以同意加碼100萬總補助金費到200萬元那我相信這份補助就代表中央跟地方大家一起\n\n3\n00:00:52,711 --> 00:01:10,254\n核心協力對我們所有客家的傳統信仰跟青年世代共榮的重視也讓地方政府在推動這個客家文化傳承上有更大的實力空間所以再次跟谷主委跟客委會表達感謝也感謝副主委親自出席第二個\n\n4\n00:01:12,029 --> 00:01:38,635\n還是要稍微再請問要繼續監督我們的客委會那第二個還是要請教今天谷主委特別在我們的專案報告裡面有提到就是有關於博工造戶戰的部分那博工造戶戰我相信是一個非常重要的一個政策因為博工造戶戰有非常多的好處像親子共融互動對文化語言的傳承等等的這些幫助那我相信之前一直有跟谷主委拜託這個雖然說博工造戶戰\n\n5\n00:01:39,495 --> 00:01:55,057\n我們希望是在我們的這個客家的重點發展區可是因為現在當然我們知道很多客家的鄉親他有一些都市化的都市化聚集的一些情況那造成有些的分散造成現在如果要符合重點發展區\n\n6\n00:01:56,278 --> 00:02:12,282\n的這個就是客家人需要在這個區要三分之一以上是有相對應的困難度那之前我在數次的質詢也有請教谷主委說這個比例是否可以下降尤其新北市跟台北市現在都還沒有博工造貨站\n\n7\n00:02:12,682 --> 00:02:23,107\n那上次口頭諮詢你們也有回覆喔可是回覆的內容喔本期還是想請這個谷主委稍微聊一下說你們現在對於這個雙北的博工造戶站你們的預期的計畫是如何謝謝首先感謝總委員對於哈卡委員會的傾聽十分感謝白宮政府參考試總委員質詢過後我們內部有幾下拜討論\n\n8\n00:02:38,275 --> 00:02:41,520\n就是針對沖電發展機以外的在市場上的新北、台中、高雄等市場上的軌道行營應用處理我們目前儲備有針對非核架沖電發展機\n\n9\n00:02:56,777 --> 00:03:18,263\n天然的一個百分之三十以上做到使用核發的比例就做到了五億來目前目前新北有符合要在生產的資格在三峽區的用料理所以黑格斯黑格斯這樣推動做到的法案我們會針對都市\n\n10\n00:03:22,104 --> 00:03:27,149\n無窮的地方做我們的實踐一體的現在因為白宮政府站是一個企業一個高天的企業但是因為一國分散價值沒有差不多30%我們有可能用沙灘的方式來跟白宮政府站合作\n\n11\n00:03:43,120 --> 00:04:12,397\n核架沙灘以核架式做的來從事核白宮政府負責的事情我們因為要提出核架的推動來講那一個進步的那一個跨出提步的要用的方法好非常感謝主委剛剛的回覆所以剛剛主委的回覆我覺得非常重要所以博工造戶站正式進駐新北就像你講的它現在已經進駐到新北市三峽的一個里\n\n12\n00:04:12,837 --> 00:04:26,956\n的一個部分那我相信當然人數的部分可能人數在新北最整體我們所有客家人數來講還是不多啦那剛剛主委也有一些新的一些方式像是你剛剛講的如果可以用申請字或者是說他可以集結到\n\n13\n00:04:27,386 --> 00:04:50,861\n一定的人數一定的社團的時候我認為博工招呼站如果可以進駐到新北讓更多新北的人來感受到這個親子或者是我們所有這個長輩這個跟我們所有下一代的小朋友這樣子的一個方式我覺得是非常的好那就拜託主委繼續我們繼續加強因為其實每年的這個博工招呼站的清費都是\n\n14\n00:04:51,361 --> 00:05:19,180\n有在提升的跟112年比较起来其实有增加到两倍以上所以我觉得这个可以继续再努力那第三个我就要请教就是有关于客家币的一个部分那当时我觉得有一个很有趣的事情要请教谷主委当时您跟我讲客家币的使用人数你还记得是多少人吗你当时跟我讲的是40万人一开始跟我讲的是40万人可是最后我们看到这个客家币的发放\n\n15\n00:05:19,773 --> 00:05:39,025\n大概是20出頭萬人那我想請教一下中間的落差是什麼因為很多民眾覺得說當時這個客家幣是要推動我們所有這個客家莊的一個經濟發展跟我們很多的一些店家的一些互動那怎麼人數從40萬人降少降低到20幾萬人\n\n16\n00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:56,027\n所以當時是覺得說可以比較數量可以多一點後來因為預算的問題所以往下降了那還有我就是反映一些民意那當然客家幣的\n\n17\n00:05:56,807 --> 00:06:10,241\n政策我覺得是一個很好的政策不過我認為很多民眾在跟我們反映的時候也有特別強調說這個為什麼當時在發放的時候有一個年紀的限制好像是18歲到45歲是不是因為年紀的問題導致我後來發行的數量變49歲\n\n18\n00:06:14,403 --> 00:06:29,724\n是不是因為年紀的問題而導致後來能拿到的人數量變少呢還有我還要繼續請教還有用途的部分那當然我們需要是推行就是地方美食文化跟傳統藝術等等一些方式那我們也看到當然\n\n19\n00:06:31,175 --> 00:06:48,627\n網路上也有很多人在提說有一些當然店家很聰明他會利用這個客家幣的部分來做些促銷所以我們就看到很多店家去買金飾等等的或者是去買一些文具等等不是說不行可是我們很怕客家幣當時原有的大家的這種要\n\n20\n00:06:49,427 --> 00:07:05,512\n讓客家文化發展更好的這個想法變成客家幣就等於消費幣消費券的那樣的概念那主委你在聽到這些的問題而且現在的使用率大概是百分之二十幾還沒有超過百分之三十針對很多民眾提出來這些問題你可不可以一次回覆一下\n\n21\n00:07:06,492 --> 00:07:09,274\n感謝總委員在我們想要設備建設的學校比我們當時沒有想要的政策出來學校比委員會19年來有推動一個叫做外公學的創業點\n\n22\n00:07:23,976 --> 00:07:28,498\n在學校創業期間代表學生要點價去使用學法當然學校的學法學生的學校的學法他沒有辦法用所以要兩篇特立的要兩篇做的連接方案所以就要學校必須想法出來\n\n23\n00:07:42,404 --> 00:07:45,846\n認可的合法拿到的黑咖啡都會供合法的商店來使用來收費因為只有私人的也要服從私人的收費的營業也要追銷也要政策推出的目標今天週末的18到49歲黑咖啡發行的對象有三宗已經在通過行業認證\n\n24\n00:08:10,803 --> 00:08:17,407\n她的行為家庭,在前面的十百多四十九歲,昨晚的十百多四十九歲,不是因為我的思量感受,所以我懇請她的年齡,不是,是因為四十九歲以下的外公合法的年齡比例十分大,\n\n25\n00:08:32,099 --> 00:08:37,721\n二十歲以下的差不多百分之十幾十幾再來四十多四十九百分之四十一都沒有超過一半五十歲以上的外國合法的比例是百分之五十以上所以我們會想在假設這樣的方式讓商人跟自己運用的行業也要適從地域用合法來使用所以我們要有這樣的想法出來\n\n26\n00:08:59,210 --> 00:09:27,141\n十八到四十九當然國土民主都有提到要開放也要買那個我們的社會結構要思考的感謝總委員提出的問題本來順利好抱歉主席最後一個問題就是其實我們還是常常請教主委這個問題就是根據國家語言整體的發展方案就是客語現在變成大家知道就是像剛剛主委有講的年輕人尤其49歲以下講客語的人非常的少\n\n27\n00:09:28,764 --> 00:09:55,237\n這個三代兼使用客語的使用率也流失超過七成所以我們一直立法院主要的目的就是要協助行政單位立法我們有一個叫做客家語言發展法的部分上次有請教您說已經送到行政院來做核准的一個步驟了可是最近我們有看到新聞是不是說請你回應說現在的目前的進度在哪裡我們也看到新聞裡面有寫說\n\n28\n00:09:56,533 --> 00:10:13,388\n文化部好像有相對有一些的意見那是不是可以這邊請你回應一下說那這樣子遇到已經等了那麼久遇到卡關的這樣的狀況可不可以稍微請你解釋一下文化部那邊提出來的意義是什麼你們有收到相關的意見你們的回覆是什麼主要是這樣文化學家基本法底盤有一個設立國家研究研究中心學家研究中心\n\n29\n00:10:24,790 --> 00:10:29,494\n但是文化部那篇題的已經安排成為國家研研研究中心那核發的那些選項在哪裏呢那兩篇就會有重複的問題所以我們也要先點下來沒想另外一個法律另外一個就是核感研研發展法也要國普費有協商的已經協商好的\n\n30\n00:10:46,509 --> 00:10:47,470\n謝謝主委這邊特別重述一下\n\n31\n00:11:08,388 --> 00:11:22,648\n主委的意思是說現在跟文化部的溝通是有辦法去解決這樣的問題兩件事請法省再講一下這是兩件事兩件事像那個國家語言研究發展中心文化鋪貼\n\n32\n00:11:24,332 --> 00:11:47,768\n語言發展研究中心跟客家語言發展法是兩件事但是因為要有語言研究中心跟客家語言研究中心要有可能有重複的問題要涉及客家基本法要修那要想客家語言發展法跟基本法要同時做一邊的思考要有一點點連帶的關係\n\n33\n00:11:51,257 --> 00:12:10,632\n好所以可是我剛剛我還是有聽到您說下個會期有機會希望下個會期把這個科家原發展法送到立法院還是送到行政院行政院當然要通過張有法律書下一個就是要變成在演一個會期送到行政院然後看有沒有機會送到立法院好謝謝好謝謝主委謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5124\t9185\t好謝謝主席各位官員各位委員大家早有請谷主委有請谷主委總委員好谷主委早首先先非常感謝這個客家委員會谷主委對地方文化活動的支持這個客委員會原本在今年114年的新北市客家藝名祭文化節的經費\n30219\t52311\t原本核定的是100萬那因為當時地方新北市政府有提出他的參與的內容有很多包含青年參與的部分那我非常感謝谷主委這邊因為有看到青年然後整個活動非常的這個充實所以同意加碼100萬總補助金費到200萬元那我相信這份補助就代表中央跟地方大家一起\n52711\t70254\t核心協力對我們所有客家的傳統信仰跟青年世代共榮的重視也讓地方政府在推動這個客家文化傳承上有更大的實力空間所以再次跟谷主委跟客委會表達感謝也感謝副主委親自出席第二個\n72029\t98635\t還是要稍微再請問要繼續監督我們的客委會那第二個還是要請教今天谷主委特別在我們的專案報告裡面有提到就是有關於博工造戶戰的部分那博工造戶戰我相信是一個非常重要的一個政策因為博工造戶戰有非常多的好處像親子共融互動對文化語言的傳承等等的這些幫助那我相信之前一直有跟谷主委拜託這個雖然說博工造戶戰\n99495\t115057\t我們希望是在我們的這個客家的重點發展區可是因為現在當然我們知道很多客家的鄉親他有一些都市化的都市化聚集的一些情況那造成有些的分散造成現在如果要符合重點發展區\n116278\t132282\t的這個就是客家人需要在這個區要三分之一以上是有相對應的困難度那之前我在數次的質詢也有請教谷主委說這個比例是否可以下降尤其新北市跟台北市現在都還沒有博工造貨站\n132682\t143107\t那上次口頭諮詢你們也有回覆喔可是回覆的內容喔本期還是想請這個谷主委稍微聊一下說你們現在對於這個雙北的博工造戶站你們的預期的計畫是如何謝謝首先感謝總委員對於哈卡委員會的傾聽十分感謝白宮政府參考試總委員質詢過後我們內部有幾下拜討論\n158275\t161520\t就是針對沖電發展機以外的在市場上的新北、台中、高雄等市場上的軌道行營應用處理我們目前儲備有針對非核架沖電發展機\n176777\t198263\t天然的一個百分之三十以上做到使用核發的比例就做到了五億來目前 目前新北有符合要在生產的資格在三峽區的用料理所以 黑格斯 黑格斯這樣推動做到的法案我們會針對都市\n202104\t207149\t無窮的地方 做我們的實踐一體的現在 因為白宮政府站是一個企業 一個高天的企業但是因為一國分散 價值沒有差不多30%我們有可能用沙灘的方式來跟白宮政府站合作\n223120\t252397\t核架沙灘以核架式做的來從事核白宮政府負責的事情我們因為要提出核架的推動來講那一個進步的 那一個跨出提步的要用的方法好 非常感謝主委剛剛的回覆所以剛剛主委的回覆我覺得非常重要所以博工造戶站正式進駐新北就像你講的 它現在已經進駐到新北市三峽的一個里\n252837\t266956\t的一個部分那我相信當然人數的部分可能人數在新北最整體我們所有客家人數來講還是不多啦那剛剛主委也有一些新的一些方式像是你剛剛講的如果可以用申請字或者是說他可以集結到\n267386\t290861\t一定的人數一定的社團的時候我認為博工招呼站如果可以進駐到新北讓更多新北的人來感受到這個親子或者是我們所有這個長輩這個跟我們所有下一代的小朋友這樣子的一個方式我覺得是非常的好那就拜託主委繼續我們繼續加強因為其實每年的這個博工招呼站的清費都是\n291361\t319180\t有在提升的跟112年比较起来其实有增加到两倍以上所以我觉得这个可以继续再努力那第三个我就要请教就是有关于客家币的一个部分那当时我觉得有一个很有趣的事情要请教谷主委当时您跟我讲客家币的使用人数你还记得是多少人吗你当时跟我讲的是40万人一开始跟我讲的是40万人可是最后我们看到这个客家币的发放\n319773\t339025\t大概是20出頭萬人那我想請教一下中間的落差是什麼因為很多民眾覺得說當時這個客家幣是要推動我們所有這個客家莊的一個經濟發展跟我們很多的一些店家的一些互動那怎麼人數從40萬人降少降低到20幾萬人\n341880\t356027\t所以當時是覺得說可以比較數量可以多一點後來因為預算的問題所以往下降了那還有我就是反映一些民意那當然客家幣的\n356807\t370241\t政策我覺得是一個很好的政策不過我認為很多民眾在跟我們反映的時候也有特別強調說這個為什麼當時在發放的時候有一個年紀的限制好像是18歲到45歲是不是因為年紀的問題導致我後來發行的數量變49歲\n374403\t389724\t是不是因為年紀的問題而導致後來能拿到的人數量變少呢還有我還要繼續請教還有用途的部分那當然我們需要是推行就是地方美食文化跟傳統藝術等等一些方式那我們也看到當然\n391175\t408627\t網路上也有很多人在提說有一些當然店家很聰明他會利用這個客家幣的部分來做些促銷所以我們就看到很多店家去買金飾等等的或者是去買一些文具等等不是說不行可是我們很怕客家幣當時原有的大家的這種要\n409427\t425512\t讓客家文化發展更好的這個想法變成客家幣就等於消費幣消費券的那樣的概念那主委你在聽到這些的問題而且現在的使用率大概是百分之二十幾還沒有超過百分之三十針對很多民眾提出來這些問題你可不可以一次回覆一下\n426492\t429274\t感謝總委員在我們想要設備建設的學校比我們當時沒有想要的政策出來學校比委員會19年來有推動一個叫做外公學的創業點\n443976\t448498\t在學校創業期間 代表學生要點價去使用學法當然學校的學法 學生的學校的學法 他沒有辦法用所以要兩篇特立的 要兩篇做的連接方案所以就要學校必須想法出來\n462404\t465846\t認可的合法 拿到的黑咖啡都會供合法的商店來使用來收費因為只有私人的 也要服從私人的收費的營業也要追銷 也要政策推出的目標今天週末的18到49歲黑咖啡發行的對象有三宗已經在通過行業認證\n490803\t497407\t她的行為家庭,在前面的十百多四十九歲,昨晚的十百多四十九歲,不是因為我的思量感受,所以我懇請她的年齡,不是,是因為四十九歲以下的外公合法的年齡比例十分大,\n512099\t517721\t二十歲以下的差不多百分之十幾十幾再來四十多四十九百分之四十一都沒有超過一半五十歲以上的外國合法的比例是百分之五十以上所以我們會想在假設這樣的方式讓商人跟自己運用的行業也要適從地域用合法來使用所以我們要有這樣的想法出來\n539210\t567141\t十八到四十九 當然 國土 民主 都有提到要開放也要買那個我們的社會結構 要思考的感謝總委員提出的問題 本來順利好 抱歉主席 最後一個問題就是其實我們還是常常請教主委這個問題就是根據國家語言整體的發展方案就是客語現在變成 大家知道就是像剛剛主委有講的年輕人 尤其49歲以下講客語的人非常的少\n568764\t595237\t這個三代兼使用客語的使用率也流失超過七成所以我們一直立法院主要的目的就是要協助行政單位立法我們有一個叫做客家語言發展法的部分上次有請教您說已經送到行政院來做核准的一個步驟了可是最近我們有看到新聞是不是說請你回應說現在的目前的進度在哪裡我們也看到新聞裡面有寫說\n596533\t613388\t文化部好像有相對有一些的意見那是不是可以這邊請你回應一下說那這樣子遇到已經等了那麼久遇到卡關的這樣的狀況可不可以稍微請你解釋一下文化部那邊提出來的意義是什麼你們有收到相關的意見你們的回覆是什麼主要是這樣文化學家基本法底盤有一個設立國家研究研究中心學家研究中心\n624790\t629494\t但是文化部那篇題的已經安排成為國家研研研究中心那核發的那些選項在哪裏呢那兩篇就會有重複的問題所以我們也要先點下來 沒想另外一個法律 另外一個就是核感研研發展法也要國普費有協商的 已經協商好的\n646509\t647470\t謝謝主委 這邊特別重述一下\n668388\t682648\t主委的意思是說現在跟文化部的溝通是有辦法去解決這樣的問題兩件事請法省再講一下這是兩件事兩件事像那個國家語言研究發展中心文化鋪貼\n684332\t707768\t語言發展研究中心跟客家語言發展法是兩件事但是因為要有語言研究中心跟客家語言研究中心要有可能有重複的問題要涉及客家基本法要修那要想客家語言發展法跟基本法要同時做一邊的思考要有一點點連帶的關係\n711257\t730632\t好 所以可是我剛剛我還是有聽到您說下個會期有機會希望下個會期把這個科家原發展法送到立法院還是送到行政院行政院當然要通過張有法律書下一個就是要變成在演一個會期送到行政院然後看有沒有機會送到立法院好 謝謝好 謝謝主委 謝謝\n","txt":"好謝謝主席各位官員各位委員大家早有請谷主委有請谷主委總委員好谷主委早首先先非常感謝這個客家委員會谷主委對地方文化活動的支持這個客委員會原本在今年114年的新北市客家藝名祭文化節的經費\n原本核定的是100萬那因為當時地方新北市政府有提出他的參與的內容有很多包含青年參與的部分那我非常感謝谷主委這邊因為有看到青年然後整個活動非常的這個充實所以同意加碼100萬總補助金費到200萬元那我相信這份補助就代表中央跟地方大家一起\n核心協力對我們所有客家的傳統信仰跟青年世代共榮的重視也讓地方政府在推動這個客家文化傳承上有更大的實力空間所以再次跟谷主委跟客委會表達感謝也感謝副主委親自出席第二個\n還是要稍微再請問要繼續監督我們的客委會那第二個還是要請教今天谷主委特別在我們的專案報告裡面有提到就是有關於博工造戶戰的部分那博工造戶戰我相信是一個非常重要的一個政策因為博工造戶戰有非常多的好處像親子共融互動對文化語言的傳承等等的這些幫助那我相信之前一直有跟谷主委拜託這個雖然說博工造戶戰\n我們希望是在我們的這個客家的重點發展區可是因為現在當然我們知道很多客家的鄉親他有一些都市化的都市化聚集的一些情況那造成有些的分散造成現在如果要符合重點發展區\n的這個就是客家人需要在這個區要三分之一以上是有相對應的困難度那之前我在數次的質詢也有請教谷主委說這個比例是否可以下降尤其新北市跟台北市現在都還沒有博工造貨站\n那上次口頭諮詢你們也有回覆喔可是回覆的內容喔本期還是想請這個谷主委稍微聊一下說你們現在對於這個雙北的博工造戶站你們的預期的計畫是如何謝謝首先感謝總委員對於哈卡委員會的傾聽十分感謝白宮政府參考試總委員質詢過後我們內部有幾下拜討論\n就是針對沖電發展機以外的在市場上的新北、台中、高雄等市場上的軌道行營應用處理我們目前儲備有針對非核架沖電發展機\n天然的一個百分之三十以上做到使用核發的比例就做到了五億來目前 目前新北有符合要在生產的資格在三峽區的用料理所以 黑格斯 黑格斯這樣推動做到的法案我們會針對都市\n無窮的地方 做我們的實踐一體的現在 因為白宮政府站是一個企業 一個高天的企業但是因為一國分散 價值沒有差不多30%我們有可能用沙灘的方式來跟白宮政府站合作\n核架沙灘以核架式做的來從事核白宮政府負責的事情我們因為要提出核架的推動來講那一個進步的 那一個跨出提步的要用的方法好 非常感謝主委剛剛的回覆所以剛剛主委的回覆我覺得非常重要所以博工造戶站正式進駐新北就像你講的 它現在已經進駐到新北市三峽的一個里\n的一個部分那我相信當然人數的部分可能人數在新北最整體我們所有客家人數來講還是不多啦那剛剛主委也有一些新的一些方式像是你剛剛講的如果可以用申請字或者是說他可以集結到\n一定的人數一定的社團的時候我認為博工招呼站如果可以進駐到新北讓更多新北的人來感受到這個親子或者是我們所有這個長輩這個跟我們所有下一代的小朋友這樣子的一個方式我覺得是非常的好那就拜託主委繼續我們繼續加強因為其實每年的這個博工招呼站的清費都是\n有在提升的跟112年比较起来其实有增加到两倍以上所以我觉得这个可以继续再努力那第三个我就要请教就是有关于客家币的一个部分那当时我觉得有一个很有趣的事情要请教谷主委当时您跟我讲客家币的使用人数你还记得是多少人吗你当时跟我讲的是40万人一开始跟我讲的是40万人可是最后我们看到这个客家币的发放\n大概是20出頭萬人那我想請教一下中間的落差是什麼因為很多民眾覺得說當時這個客家幣是要推動我們所有這個客家莊的一個經濟發展跟我們很多的一些店家的一些互動那怎麼人數從40萬人降少降低到20幾萬人\n所以當時是覺得說可以比較數量可以多一點後來因為預算的問題所以往下降了那還有我就是反映一些民意那當然客家幣的\n政策我覺得是一個很好的政策不過我認為很多民眾在跟我們反映的時候也有特別強調說這個為什麼當時在發放的時候有一個年紀的限制好像是18歲到45歲是不是因為年紀的問題導致我後來發行的數量變49歲\n是不是因為年紀的問題而導致後來能拿到的人數量變少呢還有我還要繼續請教還有用途的部分那當然我們需要是推行就是地方美食文化跟傳統藝術等等一些方式那我們也看到當然\n網路上也有很多人在提說有一些當然店家很聰明他會利用這個客家幣的部分來做些促銷所以我們就看到很多店家去買金飾等等的或者是去買一些文具等等不是說不行可是我們很怕客家幣當時原有的大家的這種要\n讓客家文化發展更好的這個想法變成客家幣就等於消費幣消費券的那樣的概念那主委你在聽到這些的問題而且現在的使用率大概是百分之二十幾還沒有超過百分之三十針對很多民眾提出來這些問題你可不可以一次回覆一下\n感謝總委員在我們想要設備建設的學校比我們當時沒有想要的政策出來學校比委員會19年來有推動一個叫做外公學的創業點\n在學校創業期間 代表學生要點價去使用學法當然學校的學法 學生的學校的學法 他沒有辦法用所以要兩篇特立的 要兩篇做的連接方案所以就要學校必須想法出來\n認可的合法 拿到的黑咖啡都會供合法的商店來使用來收費因為只有私人的 也要服從私人的收費的營業也要追銷 也要政策推出的目標今天週末的18到49歲黑咖啡發行的對象有三宗已經在通過行業認證\n她的行為家庭,在前面的十百多四十九歲,昨晚的十百多四十九歲,不是因為我的思量感受,所以我懇請她的年齡,不是,是因為四十九歲以下的外公合法的年齡比例十分大,\n二十歲以下的差不多百分之十幾十幾再來四十多四十九百分之四十一都沒有超過一半五十歲以上的外國合法的比例是百分之五十以上所以我們會想在假設這樣的方式讓商人跟自己運用的行業也要適從地域用合法來使用所以我們要有這樣的想法出來\n十八到四十九 當然 國土 民主 都有提到要開放也要買那個我們的社會結構 要思考的感謝總委員提出的問題 本來順利好 抱歉主席 最後一個問題就是其實我們還是常常請教主委這個問題就是根據國家語言整體的發展方案就是客語現在變成 大家知道就是像剛剛主委有講的年輕人 尤其49歲以下講客語的人非常的少\n這個三代兼使用客語的使用率也流失超過七成所以我們一直立法院主要的目的就是要協助行政單位立法我們有一個叫做客家語言發展法的部分上次有請教您說已經送到行政院來做核准的一個步驟了可是最近我們有看到新聞是不是說請你回應說現在的目前的進度在哪裡我們也看到新聞裡面有寫說\n文化部好像有相對有一些的意見那是不是可以這邊請你回應一下說那這樣子遇到已經等了那麼久遇到卡關的這樣的狀況可不可以稍微請你解釋一下文化部那邊提出來的意義是什麼你們有收到相關的意見你們的回覆是什麼主要是這樣文化學家基本法底盤有一個設立國家研究研究中心學家研究中心\n但是文化部那篇題的已經安排成為國家研研研究中心那核發的那些選項在哪裏呢那兩篇就會有重複的問題所以我們也要先點下來 沒想另外一個法律 另外一個就是核感研研發展法也要國普費有協商的 已經協商好的\n謝謝主委 這邊特別重述一下\n主委的意思是說現在跟文化部的溝通是有辦法去解決這樣的問題兩件事請法省再講一下這是兩件事兩件事像那個國家語言研究發展中心文化鋪貼\n語言發展研究中心跟客家語言發展法是兩件事但是因為要有語言研究中心跟客家語言研究中心要有可能有重複的問題要涉及客家基本法要修那要想客家語言發展法跟基本法要同時做一邊的思考要有一點點連帶的關係\n好 所以可是我剛剛我還是有聽到您說下個會期有機會希望下個會期把這個科家原發展法送到立法院還是送到行政院行政院當然要通過張有法律書下一個就是要變成在演一個會期送到行政院然後看有沒有機會送到立法院好 謝謝好 謝謝主委 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.124 --> 00:09.185\n好謝謝主席各位官員各位委員大家早有請谷主委有請谷主委總委員好谷主委早首先先非常感謝這個客家委員會谷主委對地方文化活動的支持這個客委員會原本在今年114年的新北市客家藝名祭文化節的經費\n\n00:30.219 --> 00:52.311\n原本核定的是100萬那因為當時地方新北市政府有提出他的參與的內容有很多包含青年參與的部分那我非常感謝谷主委這邊因為有看到青年然後整個活動非常的這個充實所以同意加碼100萬總補助金費到200萬元那我相信這份補助就代表中央跟地方大家一起\n\n00:52.711 --> 01:10.254\n核心協力對我們所有客家的傳統信仰跟青年世代共榮的重視也讓地方政府在推動這個客家文化傳承上有更大的實力空間所以再次跟谷主委跟客委會表達感謝也感謝副主委親自出席第二個\n\n01:12.029 --> 01:38.635\n還是要稍微再請問要繼續監督我們的客委會那第二個還是要請教今天谷主委特別在我們的專案報告裡面有提到就是有關於博工造戶戰的部分那博工造戶戰我相信是一個非常重要的一個政策因為博工造戶戰有非常多的好處像親子共融互動對文化語言的傳承等等的這些幫助那我相信之前一直有跟谷主委拜託這個雖然說博工造戶戰\n\n01:39.495 --> 01:55.057\n我們希望是在我們的這個客家的重點發展區可是因為現在當然我們知道很多客家的鄉親他有一些都市化的都市化聚集的一些情況那造成有些的分散造成現在如果要符合重點發展區\n\n01:56.278 --> 02:12.282\n的這個就是客家人需要在這個區要三分之一以上是有相對應的困難度那之前我在數次的質詢也有請教谷主委說這個比例是否可以下降尤其新北市跟台北市現在都還沒有博工造貨站\n\n02:12.682 --> 02:23.107\n那上次口頭諮詢你們也有回覆喔可是回覆的內容喔本期還是想請這個谷主委稍微聊一下說你們現在對於這個雙北的博工造戶站你們的預期的計畫是如何謝謝首先感謝總委員對於哈卡委員會的傾聽十分感謝白宮政府參考試總委員質詢過後我們內部有幾下拜討論\n\n02:38.275 --> 02:41.520\n就是針對沖電發展機以外的在市場上的新北、台中、高雄等市場上的軌道行營應用處理我們目前儲備有針對非核架沖電發展機\n\n02:56.777 --> 03:18.263\n天然的一個百分之三十以上做到使用核發的比例就做到了五億來目前目前新北有符合要在生產的資格在三峽區的用料理所以黑格斯黑格斯這樣推動做到的法案我們會針對都市\n\n03:22.104 --> 03:27.149\n無窮的地方做我們的實踐一體的現在因為白宮政府站是一個企業一個高天的企業但是因為一國分散價值沒有差不多30%我們有可能用沙灘的方式來跟白宮政府站合作\n\n03:43.120 --> 04:12.397\n核架沙灘以核架式做的來從事核白宮政府負責的事情我們因為要提出核架的推動來講那一個進步的那一個跨出提步的要用的方法好非常感謝主委剛剛的回覆所以剛剛主委的回覆我覺得非常重要所以博工造戶站正式進駐新北就像你講的它現在已經進駐到新北市三峽的一個里\n\n04:12.837 --> 04:26.956\n的一個部分那我相信當然人數的部分可能人數在新北最整體我們所有客家人數來講還是不多啦那剛剛主委也有一些新的一些方式像是你剛剛講的如果可以用申請字或者是說他可以集結到\n\n04:27.386 --> 04:50.861\n一定的人數一定的社團的時候我認為博工招呼站如果可以進駐到新北讓更多新北的人來感受到這個親子或者是我們所有這個長輩這個跟我們所有下一代的小朋友這樣子的一個方式我覺得是非常的好那就拜託主委繼續我們繼續加強因為其實每年的這個博工招呼站的清費都是\n\n04:51.361 --> 05:19.180\n有在提升的跟112年比较起来其实有增加到两倍以上所以我觉得这个可以继续再努力那第三个我就要请教就是有关于客家币的一个部分那当时我觉得有一个很有趣的事情要请教谷主委当时您跟我讲客家币的使用人数你还记得是多少人吗你当时跟我讲的是40万人一开始跟我讲的是40万人可是最后我们看到这个客家币的发放\n\n05:19.773 --> 05:39.025\n大概是20出頭萬人那我想請教一下中間的落差是什麼因為很多民眾覺得說當時這個客家幣是要推動我們所有這個客家莊的一個經濟發展跟我們很多的一些店家的一些互動那怎麼人數從40萬人降少降低到20幾萬人\n\n05:41.880 --> 05:56.027\n所以當時是覺得說可以比較數量可以多一點後來因為預算的問題所以往下降了那還有我就是反映一些民意那當然客家幣的\n\n05:56.807 --> 06:10.241\n政策我覺得是一個很好的政策不過我認為很多民眾在跟我們反映的時候也有特別強調說這個為什麼當時在發放的時候有一個年紀的限制好像是18歲到45歲是不是因為年紀的問題導致我後來發行的數量變49歲\n\n06:14.403 --> 06:29.724\n是不是因為年紀的問題而導致後來能拿到的人數量變少呢還有我還要繼續請教還有用途的部分那當然我們需要是推行就是地方美食文化跟傳統藝術等等一些方式那我們也看到當然\n\n06:31.175 --> 06:48.627\n網路上也有很多人在提說有一些當然店家很聰明他會利用這個客家幣的部分來做些促銷所以我們就看到很多店家去買金飾等等的或者是去買一些文具等等不是說不行可是我們很怕客家幣當時原有的大家的這種要\n\n06:49.427 --> 07:05.512\n讓客家文化發展更好的這個想法變成客家幣就等於消費幣消費券的那樣的概念那主委你在聽到這些的問題而且現在的使用率大概是百分之二十幾還沒有超過百分之三十針對很多民眾提出來這些問題你可不可以一次回覆一下\n\n07:06.492 --> 07:09.274\n感謝總委員在我們想要設備建設的學校比我們當時沒有想要的政策出來學校比委員會19年來有推動一個叫做外公學的創業點\n\n07:23.976 --> 07:28.498\n在學校創業期間代表學生要點價去使用學法當然學校的學法學生的學校的學法他沒有辦法用所以要兩篇特立的要兩篇做的連接方案所以就要學校必須想法出來\n\n07:42.404 --> 07:45.846\n認可的合法拿到的黑咖啡都會供合法的商店來使用來收費因為只有私人的也要服從私人的收費的營業也要追銷也要政策推出的目標今天週末的18到49歲黑咖啡發行的對象有三宗已經在通過行業認證\n\n08:10.803 --> 08:17.407\n她的行為家庭,在前面的十百多四十九歲,昨晚的十百多四十九歲,不是因為我的思量感受,所以我懇請她的年齡,不是,是因為四十九歲以下的外公合法的年齡比例十分大,\n\n08:32.099 --> 08:37.721\n二十歲以下的差不多百分之十幾十幾再來四十多四十九百分之四十一都沒有超過一半五十歲以上的外國合法的比例是百分之五十以上所以我們會想在假設這樣的方式讓商人跟自己運用的行業也要適從地域用合法來使用所以我們要有這樣的想法出來\n\n08:59.210 --> 09:27.141\n十八到四十九當然國土民主都有提到要開放也要買那個我們的社會結構要思考的感謝總委員提出的問題本來順利好抱歉主席最後一個問題就是其實我們還是常常請教主委這個問題就是根據國家語言整體的發展方案就是客語現在變成大家知道就是像剛剛主委有講的年輕人尤其49歲以下講客語的人非常的少\n\n09:28.764 --> 09:55.237\n這個三代兼使用客語的使用率也流失超過七成所以我們一直立法院主要的目的就是要協助行政單位立法我們有一個叫做客家語言發展法的部分上次有請教您說已經送到行政院來做核准的一個步驟了可是最近我們有看到新聞是不是說請你回應說現在的目前的進度在哪裡我們也看到新聞裡面有寫說\n\n09:56.533 --> 10:13.388\n文化部好像有相對有一些的意見那是不是可以這邊請你回應一下說那這樣子遇到已經等了那麼久遇到卡關的這樣的狀況可不可以稍微請你解釋一下文化部那邊提出來的意義是什麼你們有收到相關的意見你們的回覆是什麼主要是這樣文化學家基本法底盤有一個設立國家研究研究中心學家研究中心\n\n10:24.790 --> 10:29.494\n但是文化部那篇題的已經安排成為國家研研研究中心那核發的那些選項在哪裏呢那兩篇就會有重複的問題所以我們也要先點下來沒想另外一個法律另外一個就是核感研研發展法也要國普費有協商的已經協商好的\n\n10:46.509 --> 10:47.470\n謝謝主委這邊特別重述一下\n\n11:08.388 --> 11:22.648\n主委的意思是說現在跟文化部的溝通是有辦法去解決這樣的問題兩件事請法省再講一下這是兩件事兩件事像那個國家語言研究發展中心文化鋪貼\n\n11:24.332 --> 11:47.768\n語言發展研究中心跟客家語言發展法是兩件事但是因為要有語言研究中心跟客家語言研究中心要有可能有重複的問題要涉及客家基本法要修那要想客家語言發展法跟基本法要同時做一邊的思考要有一點點連帶的關係\n\n11:51.257 --> 12:10.632\n好所以可是我剛剛我還是有聽到您說下個會期有機會希望下個會期把這個科家原發展法送到立法院還是送到行政院行政院當然要通過張有法律書下一個就是要變成在演一個會期送到行政院然後看有沒有機會送到立法院好謝謝好謝謝主委謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":5.124,"end":9.185,"text":"好謝謝主席各位官員各位委員大家早有請谷主委有請谷主委總委員好谷主委早首先先非常感謝這個客家委員會谷主委對地方文化活動的支持這個客委員會原本在今年114年的新北市客家藝名祭文化節的經費"},{"start":30.219,"end":52.311,"text":"原本核定的是100萬那因為當時地方新北市政府有提出他的參與的內容有很多包含青年參與的部分那我非常感謝谷主委這邊因為有看到青年然後整個活動非常的這個充實所以同意加碼100萬總補助金費到200萬元那我相信這份補助就代表中央跟地方大家一起"},{"start":52.711,"end":70.254,"text":"核心協力對我們所有客家的傳統信仰跟青年世代共榮的重視也讓地方政府在推動這個客家文化傳承上有更大的實力空間所以再次跟谷主委跟客委會表達感謝也感謝副主委親自出席第二個"},{"start":72.029,"end":98.635,"text":"還是要稍微再請問要繼續監督我們的客委會那第二個還是要請教今天谷主委特別在我們的專案報告裡面有提到就是有關於博工造戶戰的部分那博工造戶戰我相信是一個非常重要的一個政策因為博工造戶戰有非常多的好處像親子共融互動對文化語言的傳承等等的這些幫助那我相信之前一直有跟谷主委拜託這個雖然說博工造戶戰"},{"start":99.495,"end":115.057,"text":"我們希望是在我們的這個客家的重點發展區可是因為現在當然我們知道很多客家的鄉親他有一些都市化的都市化聚集的一些情況那造成有些的分散造成現在如果要符合重點發展區"},{"start":116.278,"end":132.282,"text":"的這個就是客家人需要在這個區要三分之一以上是有相對應的困難度那之前我在數次的質詢也有請教谷主委說這個比例是否可以下降尤其新北市跟台北市現在都還沒有博工造貨站"},{"start":132.682,"end":143.107,"text":"那上次口頭諮詢你們也有回覆喔可是回覆的內容喔本期還是想請這個谷主委稍微聊一下說你們現在對於這個雙北的博工造戶站你們的預期的計畫是如何謝謝首先感謝總委員對於哈卡委員會的傾聽十分感謝白宮政府參考試總委員質詢過後我們內部有幾下拜討論"},{"start":158.275,"end":161.52,"text":"就是針對沖電發展機以外的在市場上的新北、台中、高雄等市場上的軌道行營應用處理我們目前儲備有針對非核架沖電發展機"},{"start":176.777,"end":198.263,"text":"天然的一個百分之三十以上做到使用核發的比例就做到了五億來目前 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尤其49歲以下講客語的人非常的少"},{"start":568.764,"end":595.237,"text":"這個三代兼使用客語的使用率也流失超過七成所以我們一直立法院主要的目的就是要協助行政單位立法我們有一個叫做客家語言發展法的部分上次有請教您說已經送到行政院來做核准的一個步驟了可是最近我們有看到新聞是不是說請你回應說現在的目前的進度在哪裡我們也看到新聞裡面有寫說"},{"start":596.533,"end":613.388,"text":"文化部好像有相對有一些的意見那是不是可以這邊請你回應一下說那這樣子遇到已經等了那麼久遇到卡關的這樣的狀況可不可以稍微請你解釋一下文化部那邊提出來的意義是什麼你們有收到相關的意見你們的回覆是什麼主要是這樣文化學家基本法底盤有一個設立國家研究研究中心學家研究中心"},{"start":624.79,"end":629.494,"text":"但是文化部那篇題的已經安排成為國家研研研究中心那核發的那些選項在哪裏呢那兩篇就會有重複的問題所以我們也要先點下來 沒想另外一個法律 另外一個就是核感研研發展法也要國普費有協商的 已經協商好的"},{"start":646.509,"end":647.47,"text":"謝謝主委 這邊特別重述一下"},{"start":668.388,"end":682.648,"text":"主委的意思是說現在跟文化部的溝通是有辦法去解決這樣的問題兩件事請法省再講一下這是兩件事兩件事像那個國家語言研究發展中心文化鋪貼"},{"start":684.332,"end":707.768,"text":"語言發展研究中心跟客家語言發展法是兩件事但是因為要有語言研究中心跟客家語言研究中心要有可能有重複的問題要涉及客家基本法要修那要想客家語言發展法跟基本法要同時做一邊的思考要有一點點連帶的關係"},{"start":711.257,"end":730.632,"text":"好 所以可是我剛剛我還是有聽到您說下個會期有機會希望下個會期把這個科家原發展法送到立法院還是送到行政院行政院當然要通過張有法律書下一個就是要變成在演一個會期送到行政院然後看有沒有機會送到立法院好 謝謝好 謝謝主委 謝謝"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":142,"blocks":[["張委員智倫：（9時38分）謝謝主席。各位官員、各位委員，大家早。有請古主委。"],["主席：請古主委。"],["古主任委員秀妃：張委員好。"],["張委員智倫：古主委早。首先，非常感謝客家委員會古主委對地方文化活動的支持，客委會在今（114）年新北市客家義民祭文化節的經費原本核定的是100萬，因為當時新北市政府有提出它參與的內容有很多包含青年參與的部分，我非常感謝古主委，因為有看到青年，整個活動非常的充實，所以同意加碼100萬，總補助經費到200萬元，我相信這份補助就代表中央跟地方大家一起核心協力，對所有客家的傳統信仰跟青年世代共融的重視，也讓地方政府在推動客家文化傳承上有更大的施力空間，所以再次跟古主委、客委會表達感謝，也感謝副主委親自出席。","接著，還是要稍微再詢問，要繼續監督我們的客委會。第二個，還是要請教，今天古主委特別在專案報告裡面有提到有關於伯公照護站的部分，伯公照護站我相信是一個非常重要的政策，因為伯公照護站有非常多的好處，像親子共融互動、對文化語言的傳承等等幫助，我相信之前一直有跟古主委拜託，雖然伯公照護站是在客家的重點發展區，可是因為現在……當然我知道很多的客家鄉親有一些都市化聚集的情況，造成有一些分散、造成現在如果要符合重點發展區，就是客家人數要占這個區三分之一以上，是有相對應的困難，之前我在數次的質詢也有請教古主委這個比例是否可以下降？尤其新北市跟臺北市現在都還沒有伯公照護站，上次口頭質詢你們也有回復，可是回復的內容，本席還是想請古主委稍微聊一下，你們現在對於雙北的伯公照護站預期的計畫是如何？謝謝。"],["古主任委員秀妃：首先，感謝張委員對客家委員會的肯定，十分感謝。伯公照護站，確實張委員質詢過後我們內部有幾次的討論，就是針對重點發展區以外的都市特別新北、臺中、高雄，像這樣的都會地區有很多客家人要怎麼處理。我們目前初步有針對這些非客家重點發展區，訂了一個30%以上可以使用客語的比例就可以來納入，目前新北市有符合這個申請資格的是三峽區五寮里，所以如果這樣推動是可以的話，我們會針對都市不一樣的地方來做這樣的設定，這是第一個。第二個，因為伯公照護站還是一個固定地區，但是因為它非常分散，如果沒有達到30%，我們有可能用社團的方式來跟伯公照護站合作，客家社團如果可以充實伯公照護站的事情，我們認為這在都市推動客家的來說，是一個進步、是跨出第一步，這兩個方法。"],["張委員智倫：非常感謝主委剛剛的回復，剛剛主委的回復我覺得非常重要，所以伯公照護站正式進駐新北，就像你講的，它現在已經進駐到新北市三峽的一個里，那我相信，當然人數的部分，可能以新北整體客家人數來講還是不多，剛剛主委也有一些新的方式，像你剛剛講的，如果可以用申請制，或者是它可以集結到一定的人數、一定的社團的時候，我認為伯公照護站如果可以進駐到新北，讓更多新北的人來感受到親子或者是所有長輩、下一代小朋友這樣子的方式，我覺得是非常的好，就拜託主委繼續加強，因為每年伯公照護站的經費都是有在提升的，其實跟112年比較起來有增加到2倍以上，所以我覺得這個可以繼續再努力。","第三個，我就要請教有關於客家幣的部分，當時我覺得有一個很有趣的事情要請教古主委，當時您跟我講客家幣的使用人數，你還記得是多少人嗎？"],["古主任委員秀妃：很抱歉，我忘記了。"],["張委員智倫：你當時跟我講的是40萬人，一開始跟我講的是40萬人，可是最後我們看到客家幣的發放大概是20出頭萬人，我想請教中間的落差是什麼？因為很多民眾覺得當時客家幣是要推動我們所有客家庄的經濟發展跟很多店家的一些互動，怎麼人數從40萬人降低到二十幾萬人？"],["古主任委員秀妃：因為預算的關係，我們沒有這麼多錢。"],["張委員智倫：所以當時是覺得數量可以多一點，後來因為預算的問題，所以往下降了。"],["古主任委員秀妃：是。"],["張委員智倫：還有，我反映一些民意，當然客家幣的政策我覺得是一個很好的政策，不過很多民眾在跟我們反映的時候，也有特別強調說為什麼當時在發放的時候，有一個年紀的限制，好像是18歲到49歲，是不是因為年紀的問題，而導致後來能拿到的人數量變少呢？還有，我還要繼續請教用途的部分，當然我們希望推行地方美食、文化跟傳統藝術等等方式，當然網路上也有很多人在提有一些……當然店家很聰明，他會利用客家幣的部分來做一些促銷，所以我們就看到很多店家去買金飾等等的，或者是去買一些文具等等，不是說不行，可是我們很怕客家幣當時原有的，大家要讓客家文化發展更好的想法，變成客家幣就等於消費券的概念。主委，你聽到這些問題，而且現在的使用率大概是百分之二十幾，還沒有超過30%，針對很多民眾提出來的這些問題，你可不可以一次回復？"],["古主任委員秀妃：好，感謝張委員。第一個，我想要稍微解釋一下客家幣，我們當時為什麼會想出這個政策，就是客家委員會十多年來有推動一個叫「𠊎講客」、貼「𠊎講客」的商店，在客家重點區貼「𠊎講客」，就表示這個店家可以使用客語，很多人學了客語、小孩子學了客語，他無處可用，所以這兩邊是獨立的，我們要怎麼把這兩邊獨立的可以連結起來，所以就有客家幣的想法出來。","人學了客語，拿到客家幣，到會講客語的商店來使用消費的時候，他們就可以有自然地互動、自然講客語來消費，這是最先政策推出的目標。第二個，為什麼會是18到49歲？客家幣發行的對象有三種：一個是通過客語認證的；一個是客語家庭的；第三才是18到49歲。為什麼是18到49歲？不是因為我們數量減少，所以限定這個年齡，不是，是因為49歲以下會講客語的人比例非常低，20歲以下會講的差不多百分之十幾；再來，40歲到49歲會講的有41%，都沒有超過一半；50歲以上的人會講客語的比例是50%以上，所以我們會想如果是這樣的話，年輕人和小孩要怎麼走進這個市場裡面，來使用客語？所以我們才會有這樣的想法出來，18歲到49歲國民可領，當然很多民眾都有提到是不是可以開放？這也是我們下一階段要思考的，感謝張委員提出這些問題讓我說明。"],["張委員智倫：好，不好意思，主席，我最後一個問題。我們常常請教主委這個問題，根據國家語言整體的發展方案，客語現在變成像剛剛主委有提到的，年輕人尤其49歲以下，講客語的人非常的少，三代間使用客語的使用率也流失超過七成，所以立法院主要的目的就是要協助我們行政單位立法，我們有一個叫做客家語言發展法的部分，上次有請教，您說已經送到行政院做核准的步驟了，可是最近我們有看到新聞，是不是請你回應目前的進度在哪裡？我們也看到新聞裡面有寫說文化部好像有一些意見，是不是可以請你回應一下，已經等了那麼久，遇到卡關的狀況，可不可以請你稍微解釋一下，文化部那邊提出的異議是什麼？你們有收到相關的意見，你們的回覆是什麼？謝謝。"],["古主任委員秀妃：主要是文化部……我們客家基本法裡面有規定要設立客家語言研究發展中心，但是文化部提了一個案子，叫做國家語言研究發展中心，客語是不是算這裡面呢？這兩邊就會有重複的問題，所以我們現在就先停下來、不送；另外一個法就是客家語言發展法，現在各部會有協商了，已經協商好了，現在等著我們要來提出到立法院，我預計是下一個會期，我們希望送行政院審查，審過了以後送來立法院。"],["張委員智倫：謝謝主委，我特別重述一下，主委的意思是說現在跟文化部的溝通，是有辦法去解決這樣的問題。"],["古主任委員秀妃：這是兩件事情，不好意思，我再說一下，這是兩件事。國家語言研究發展中心是文化部提的，國家語言研究發展中心跟客家語言發展法是兩件事，但是因為語言研究中心跟客家語言研究中心，這可能有重複的問題，那就涉及客家基本法是不是要修？如果要修，我們客家語言發展法跟基本法就要同時來一併的思考，這有一點點連帶關係。"],["張委員智倫：可是我剛剛還是有聽到您說下個會期有機會……"],["古主任委員秀妃：我們希望、我們希望。"],["張委員智倫：希望下個會期把客家語言發展法……"],["古主任委員秀妃：客家語言發展法送進來。"],["張委員智倫：送到立法院，還是送到行政院？"],["古主任委員秀妃：送行政院，行政院要通過才有辦法送立法院。"],["張委員智倫：就是變成再延一個會期送到行政院，然後看有沒有機會送到立法院嗎？"],["古主任委員秀妃：是，請委員多多支持。"],["張委員智倫：好，謝謝主委。"],["古主任委員秀妃：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝張智倫委員。","接下來我們請蘇巧慧委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":66,"meet_id":"委員會-11-4-15-4","speakers":["黃建賓","王美惠","張智倫","蘇巧慧","黃捷","麥玉珍","牛煦庭","張宏陸","許宇甄","李柏毅","吳琪銘","徐欣瑩","徐富癸","高金素梅","丁學忠"],"page_start":31,"meetingDate":["2025-10-15"],"gazette_id":"1148302","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1148302_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第4次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請客家委員會主任委員率同所屬及財團法人客家公共傳播基金會董事長列席報告業務概況，並\n備質詢","agenda_id":"1148302_00002"}}}