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00:02:51,696\n來調整所以在其他思考的中間我們有跟國體防政府請國體防政府提出來不能所採取的有耐到的核感硬件差不多一定數量比例的肥胞分合於肥所以我們想讓國體防政府\n\n9\n00:02:53,499 --> 00:02:59,195\n提出的就像佟美媛所說的三明氣、風扇氣有一些理\n\n10\n00:03:00,413 --> 00:03:24,478\n是啊所以這個人口數是多少其實我相信你們手上也都有掌握那像我們這個已經到達六七萬每個行政區都是六七萬以上的這麼多人口數的地方那其實我覺得也不用什麼好考慮的可以直接趕快納入你們第二波試用的範圍那再來當然除了這部分之外我也想要進一步請教這個客家幣的店家領選的標準是什麼\n\n11\n00:03:29,179 --> 00:03:48,473\n因為其實我特別去看了一下因為我上個會期有特別提到說這個客家幣政策很好但是跟你們合作的這些店家是真的是有符合你們推廣客家文化的精神嗎那我特別去看了一下跟你們合作的店家裡面其實有很多都是連鎖店那連鎖店包括連鎖的炸雞店連鎖的火鍋店都在你們這個\n\n12\n00:03:54,958 --> 00:04:09,864\n客家幣合作的店家範圍裡面那請問這一些連鎖店包括這些我就不講名字但是很明顯就是我們常看到的連鎖的店家這些店家真的是有符合你們使用客家幣的精神嗎\n\n13\n00:04:10,824 --> 00:04:17,367\n我們三天的店隔一開始是在藥店外供學的商標它的標誌顯示國體房政府在19年內配合的學費可以侵出外供學發的商店外供學發的商店很高的價值所以我們在建基案內修理生產\n\n14\n00:04:36,897 --> 00:04:39,579\n但是不像剛剛委員所提的,目前一千八百家的餐廳地盤,各種用食用途的都有是的,開窗花瓣門是,所以我們的客戶結婚協助,餐廳我們也會檢討\n\n15\n00:04:55,449 --> 00:04:59,151\n再一次重新提出選項我們一定要差不多要的語言一定要講好可能調教會講好點言不會講好像我們一樣他的時間我們要用的副頭語連點言都會講好這樣做得難以我們\n\n16\n00:05:11,616 --> 00:05:13,298\n所以藥肺的集團我們要花營養的時間做一件事情跟粉類藥、麵、餡、粉類、營養、合盟、合作的目標我們要用來輔導我們要再細緻地做一件事情\n\n17\n00:05:29,394 --> 00:05:52,328\nOK好啊沒問題這個也是我我一直在強調就是到底推廣客家文化才是最重要的嗎那不要變成說你們最後為了要框現在這個客家文化發展區裡面結果這個區域裡面很多都其實都跟客家文化有一點落差的或者是他的目的並不是如此那你們反而去補助這些店家而不是去去協助這些可能\n\n18\n00:05:52,848 --> 00:06:01,631\n分散在各個台灣各個角落但是其實他們非常認真推廣客家文化的店家那我覺得去支持這些店家是不是更有效益呢要不然還有一個結論我想你思考一個是講合法的一件事情另外一個就是委員所提的他的點陷有提示要不然也要去討論去研究討論要不然我用一年的時間跟他的政策再調整一下\n\n19\n00:06:20,219 --> 00:06:34,458\n好沒問題那我也希望接下來的這個新的政策目標是可以趕快把這些意見納進去輪動式的檢討那最後一點時間請教一下這個客家青年諮詢委員會因為我知道說你們今年四月成立了客家的青年諮詢委員會\n\n20\n00:06:35,319 --> 00:06:49,815\n我覺得這非常好我也非常肯定那當然想要請教的是就是你們資訊透明跟公開的部分我希望可以做得更好因為其實啊像我們其實有其他類似的青年諮詢委員會過去都有經驗了那我竟然現在要成立一個客家版的\n\n21\n00:06:55,101 --> 00:07:13,531\n是不是也可以比較說可以定期有一些具體的進程跟目標然後跟這些青年諮詢委員怎麼領選以及接下來的期程然後討論了什麼都可以直接放在你們的網站上然後讓大家知道說我們課委會其實針對青年都有一個這樣的委員會在執行一些工作\n\n22\n00:07:13,973 --> 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點言不會講好像我們一樣 他的時間我們要用的副頭語連點言都會講好這樣做得難以我們\n311616\t313298\t所以藥肺的集團我們要花營養的時間做一件事情跟粉類藥、麵、餡、粉類、營養、合盟、合作的目標我們要用來輔導我們要再細緻地做一件事情\n329394\t352328\tOK好啊沒問題這個也是我我一直在強調就是到底推廣客家文化才是最重要的嗎那不要變成說你們最後為了要框現在這個客家文化發展區裡面結果這個區域裡面很多都其實都跟客家文化有一點落差的或者是他的目的並不是如此那你們反而去補助這些店家而不是去去協助這些可能\n352848\t361631\t分散在各個 台灣各個角落 但是其實他們非常認真推廣客家文化的店家那我覺得去支持這些店家 是不是更有效益呢要不然 還有一個結論 我想你思考一個是講合法的一件事情 另外一個就是 委員所提的他的點陷有提示 要不然也要去討論 去研究討論要不然 我用一年的時間 跟他的政策再調整一下\n380219\t394458\t好 沒問題 那我也希望接下來的這個新的政策目標是可以趕快把這些意見納進去 輪動式的檢討那最後一點時間請教一下這個客家青年諮詢委員會因為我知道說你們今年四月成立了客家的青年諮詢委員會\n395319\t409815\t我覺得這非常好我也非常肯定那當然想要請教的是就是你們資訊透明跟公開的部分我希望可以做得更好因為其實啊像我們其實有其他類似的青年諮詢委員會過去都有經驗了那我竟然現在要成立一個客家版的\n415101\t433531\t是不是也可以比較說可以定期有一些具體的進程跟目標然後跟這些青年諮詢委員怎麼領選以及接下來的期程然後討論了什麼都可以直接放在你們的網站上然後讓大家知道說我們課委會其實針對青年都有一個這樣的委員會在執行一些工作\n433973\t438136\t好 感謝委員的建議 沒錯 因為我們在提議的有規矩很不足的素材我們可以去檢討 再慢慢的調整到一個更穩定的步驟去執行 感謝委員好 沒問題 因為剛上路啦 我當然覺得這是一個好的開始那也希望接下來可以馬上精進好 謝謝主委 謝謝\n","txt":"好謝謝主席我們請谷主委請谷主委王美顏\n好 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點言不會講好像我們一樣 他的時間我們要用的副頭語連點言都會講好這樣做得難以我們\n所以藥肺的集團我們要花營養的時間做一件事情跟粉類藥、麵、餡、粉類、營養、合盟、合作的目標我們要用來輔導我們要再細緻地做一件事情\nOK好啊沒問題這個也是我我一直在強調就是到底推廣客家文化才是最重要的嗎那不要變成說你們最後為了要框現在這個客家文化發展區裡面結果這個區域裡面很多都其實都跟客家文化有一點落差的或者是他的目的並不是如此那你們反而去補助這些店家而不是去去協助這些可能\n分散在各個 台灣各個角落 但是其實他們非常認真推廣客家文化的店家那我覺得去支持這些店家 是不是更有效益呢要不然 還有一個結論 我想你思考一個是講合法的一件事情 另外一個就是 委員所提的他的點陷有提示 要不然也要去討論 去研究討論要不然 我用一年的時間 跟他的政策再調整一下\n好 沒問題 那我也希望接下來的這個新的政策目標是可以趕快把這些意見納進去 輪動式的檢討那最後一點時間請教一下這個客家青年諮詢委員會因為我知道說你們今年四月成立了客家的青年諮詢委員會\n我覺得這非常好我也非常肯定那當然想要請教的是就是你們資訊透明跟公開的部分我希望可以做得更好因為其實啊像我們其實有其他類似的青年諮詢委員會過去都有經驗了那我竟然現在要成立一個客家版的\n是不是也可以比較說可以定期有一些具體的進程跟目標然後跟這些青年諮詢委員怎麼領選以及接下來的期程然後討論了什麼都可以直接放在你們的網站上然後讓大家知道說我們課委會其實針對青年都有一個這樣的委員會在執行一些工作\n好 感謝委員的建議 沒錯 因為我們在提議的有規矩很不足的素材我們可以去檢討 再慢慢的調整到一個更穩定的步驟去執行 感謝委員好 沒問題 因為剛上路啦 我當然覺得這是一個好的開始那也希望接下來可以馬上精進好 謝謝主委 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.281 --> 00:04.868\n好謝謝主席我們請谷主委請谷主委王美顏\n\n00:10.632 --> 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