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00:02:42,644\n不過這個跟我們整個的其實我覺得台灣最重要的國安就是我們整個在國際間的有關於經貿的部分那個是最重要的那另外一件事情就是日本的政局日本現在自民黨已經產生他的新的那個黨魁\n\n8\n00:02:43,624 --> 00:03:02,137\n但是那麼新的黨魁高市早苗能不能順利的成為日本的新任首相現在卻出現了變數啊那現在也有這個媒體報導啊就說日本的政局恐變天因為原來是自公黨的合作\n\n9\n00:03:02,917 --> 00:03:26,992\n自民黨即使沒有過半數的席次仍然可以去拿下首相但是現在看起來非常有可能就是高市早苗沒有辦法成為新的首相而這對於台灣來講當然有影響大家也知道高市早苗因為基本上他走的是安倍路線那安倍跟台灣的關係非常的親密那麼特別跟賴總統的關係因為賴總統曾經去參加過佳季\n\n10\n00:03:31,195 --> 00:03:53,706\n好那如果今天不是高市早苗的話而且有新的不管新的黑馬是誰那請問一下我們有沒有掌握相關的狀況我們的評估是什麼跟委員說明一下我還是前提先說明清楚我國安情報所長我不適合去評論其他國家的內政而且正在跟台灣呢對好那我來說直接跟台灣有關係啊\n\n11\n00:03:56,747 --> 00:04:25,635\n好我來說明一下事實上現在就日本的輿情輿情的討論跟委員報告輿情的討論日本方面是認為說各政黨之間還在做一些折衝高市代表的自民黨它目前還在爭取在野黨的支持另外的立憲民主黨在野黨也在爭取其他黨派的支持所以目前還在討論過程當中我們不適合做太早的斷論第二個在各政黨的政治立場上幾乎有它共同的地方\n\n12\n00:04:26,095 --> 00:04:42,362\n那對於這個區域安全跟某種程度維護集體安全跟美國日安保的合作這個主軸基調是在的這大概是第二點跟委員來做報告那第三點當然在管理跟中國的關係上那也會希望用比較務實的角度來進行必要的一個管理\n\n13\n00:04:42,722 --> 00:05:02,670\n那第四個在政策路線上對於台灣有事可能對於日本的影響那他們確實幾乎都有一些跨黨派的共識那這部分我們是有蠻廣泛的跟日本政界的接觸那有得到以上比較初步的一個觀察跟委員做的說明我想第一個我們還是要密切去掌握狀況終究我想日本跟我們長期以來是對那現在這個政局當然我們不曉得最後的結果但是我們第一個一定要掌握\n\n14\n00:05:11,895 --> 00:05:28,434\n那第二個但是我覺得因為每一個政黨或者每個人他們的路線多多少少會有些許不同所以這一點還是會對台灣會產生影響尤其我在這邊沒有特別講我覺得最近以來日本媒體很多人講說日本媒體\n\n15\n00:05:29,235 --> 00:05:53,405\n最愛台灣了可是最近日本媒體對台灣的報導說實在都是會讓大家呈現比較憂心的一面不管是政治上的比如說日本媒體根本不同意大罷免甚至在他們的社論裡面那現在對我們的經貿問題這台灣媒體沒有提出來但是去提出說我們已經被各國人弱這都是我們值得去重視跟關心的警訊\n\n16\n00:05:54,045 --> 00:06:00,271\n因為日本是民主國家那他們的媒體的討論會非常多元那我們都會來收報來掌握相關的動態謝謝委員來提醒我們\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n409\t11541\t謝謝主席 請我們蔡局長來 局長請好 謝謝主席 王委員長好 局長好\n12441\t33495\t那個前兩天日本媒體報導特別談到台灣在美中關係之間而且最主要的就是我們對外簽署相關的貿易協定那麼日媒就是日經新聞他直接說我們因為受到中美\n34255\t56772\t的夾擊的困境所以呢台灣簽貿易協定卻遭世界各國冷落這裡面主要是談到我們跟加拿大事實上已經談定但是呢但是其實沒有辦法簽署這個協定那我想台灣我們其實對外貿易是我們非常非常重要的一個環節\n57933\t84045\t那麼尤其我們現在也在面臨整個的美國的這個對等貿易關稅的這樣壓力所以請問一下就我們所了解日媒的報導日經新聞的報導是正確的嗎那有關於我們台灣對外洽簽貿易協定除了美國之外我們也激進跟其他國家洽簽貿易協定是不是確實有受阻的情形\n84653\t113609\t好 先跟委員簡單說明一下因為那個經貿談判不是我的夜館但是因為委員在關切那我們大概就國際情資的角度來跟委員報告一下可能目前一些國際在這部分談判的一個狀況尤其在整個美國關稅之後我們可以看到國際之間確實對於雙邊多邊的經貿協定的洽談是越來越積極那我們國家在對外經貿談判也是不斷地在推動所以也跟英國最近有接近一個協定那我們是不是真的已經受阻了不只是跟美國\n114629\t141432\t跟其他國家因為連加拿大已經跟我們談定但是卻遲遲沒有辦法簽署而且這個已經受到日媒的日本媒體的一個高度關切對那因為有些這是事實嗎有些經貿談判他還在進行過程當中那當然媒體的報導我們都要重視那實際的進展我想還是要由涉及談判的單位來對外做比較完整的說明會比較恰當\n142133\t162644\t不過這個跟我們整個的其實我覺得台灣最重要的國安就是我們整個在國際間的有關於經貿的部分那個是最重要的那另外一件事情就是日本的政局日本現在自民黨已經產生他的新的那個黨魁\n163624\t182137\t但是那麼新的黨魁高市早苗能不能順利的成為日本的新任首相現在卻出現了變數啊那現在也有這個媒體報導啊就說日本的政局恐變天因為原來是自公黨的合作\n182917\t206992\t自民黨即使沒有過半數的席次仍然可以去拿下首相但是現在看起來非常有可能就是高市早苗沒有辦法成為新的首相而這對於台灣來講當然有影響大家也知道高市早苗因為基本上他走的是安倍路線那安倍跟台灣的關係非常的親密那麼特別跟賴總統的關係因為賴總統曾經去參加過佳季\n211195\t233706\t好那如果今天不是高市早苗的話而且有新的不管新的黑馬是誰那請問一下我們有沒有掌握相關的狀況我們的評估是什麼跟委員說明一下我還是前提先說明清楚我國安情報所長我不適合去評論其他國家的內政而且正在跟台灣呢對好那我來說直接跟台灣有關係啊\n236747\t265635\t好 我來說明一下事實上現在就日本的輿情輿情的討論跟委員報告 輿情的討論日本方面是認為說各政黨之間還在做一些折衝高市代表的自民黨它目前還在爭取在野黨的支持另外的立憲民主黨在野黨也在爭取其他黨派的支持所以目前還在討論過程當中我們不適合做太早的斷論第二個 在各政黨的政治立場上幾乎有它共同的地方\n266095\t282362\t那對於這個區域安全跟某種程度維護集體安全跟美國日安保的合作這個主軸基調是在的這大概是第二點跟委員來做報告那第三點當然在管理跟中國的關係上那也會希望用比較務實的角度來進行必要的一個管理\n282722\t302670\t那第四個在政策路線上對於台灣有事可能對於日本的影響那他們確實幾乎都有一些跨黨派的共識那這部分我們是有蠻廣泛的跟日本政界的接觸那有得到以上比較初步的一個觀察跟委員做的說明我想第一個我們還是要密切去掌握狀況終究我想日本跟我們長期以來是對那現在這個政局當然我們不曉得最後的結果但是我們第一個一定要掌握\n311895\t328434\t那第二個但是我覺得因為每一個政黨或者每個人他們的路線多多少少會有些許不同所以這一點還是會對台灣會產生影響尤其我在這邊沒有特別講我覺得最近以來日本媒體很多人講說日本媒體\n329235\t353405\t最愛台灣了可是最近日本媒體對台灣的報導說實在都是會讓大家呈現比較憂心的一面不管是政治上的比如說日本媒體根本不同意大罷免甚至在他們的社論裡面那現在對我們的經貿問題這台灣媒體沒有提出來但是去提出說我們已經被各國人弱這都是我們值得去重視跟關心的警訊\n354045\t360271\t因為日本是民主國家那他們的媒體的討論會非常多元那我們都會來收報來掌握相關的動態謝謝委員來提醒我們\n","txt":"謝謝主席 請我們蔡局長來 局長請好 謝謝主席 王委員長好 局長好\n那個前兩天日本媒體報導特別談到台灣在美中關係之間而且最主要的就是我們對外簽署相關的貿易協定那麼日媒就是日經新聞他直接說我們因為受到中美\n的夾擊的困境所以呢台灣簽貿易協定卻遭世界各國冷落這裡面主要是談到我們跟加拿大事實上已經談定但是呢但是其實沒有辦法簽署這個協定那我想台灣我們其實對外貿易是我們非常非常重要的一個環節\n那麼尤其我們現在也在面臨整個的美國的這個對等貿易關稅的這樣壓力所以請問一下就我們所了解日媒的報導日經新聞的報導是正確的嗎那有關於我們台灣對外洽簽貿易協定除了美國之外我們也激進跟其他國家洽簽貿易協定是不是確實有受阻的情形\n好 先跟委員簡單說明一下因為那個經貿談判不是我的夜館但是因為委員在關切那我們大概就國際情資的角度來跟委員報告一下可能目前一些國際在這部分談判的一個狀況尤其在整個美國關稅之後我們可以看到國際之間確實對於雙邊多邊的經貿協定的洽談是越來越積極那我們國家在對外經貿談判也是不斷地在推動所以也跟英國最近有接近一個協定那我們是不是真的已經受阻了不只是跟美國\n跟其他國家因為連加拿大已經跟我們談定但是卻遲遲沒有辦法簽署而且這個已經受到日媒的日本媒體的一個高度關切對那因為有些這是事實嗎有些經貿談判他還在進行過程當中那當然媒體的報導我們都要重視那實際的進展我想還是要由涉及談判的單位來對外做比較完整的說明會比較恰當\n不過這個跟我們整個的其實我覺得台灣最重要的國安就是我們整個在國際間的有關於經貿的部分那個是最重要的那另外一件事情就是日本的政局日本現在自民黨已經產生他的新的那個黨魁\n但是那麼新的黨魁高市早苗能不能順利的成為日本的新任首相現在卻出現了變數啊那現在也有這個媒體報導啊就說日本的政局恐變天因為原來是自公黨的合作\n自民黨即使沒有過半數的席次仍然可以去拿下首相但是現在看起來非常有可能就是高市早苗沒有辦法成為新的首相而這對於台灣來講當然有影響大家也知道高市早苗因為基本上他走的是安倍路線那安倍跟台灣的關係非常的親密那麼特別跟賴總統的關係因為賴總統曾經去參加過佳季\n好那如果今天不是高市早苗的話而且有新的不管新的黑馬是誰那請問一下我們有沒有掌握相關的狀況我們的評估是什麼跟委員說明一下我還是前提先說明清楚我國安情報所長我不適合去評論其他國家的內政而且正在跟台灣呢對好那我來說直接跟台灣有關係啊\n好 我來說明一下事實上現在就日本的輿情輿情的討論跟委員報告 輿情的討論日本方面是認為說各政黨之間還在做一些折衝高市代表的自民黨它目前還在爭取在野黨的支持另外的立憲民主黨在野黨也在爭取其他黨派的支持所以目前還在討論過程當中我們不適合做太早的斷論第二個 在各政黨的政治立場上幾乎有它共同的地方\n那對於這個區域安全跟某種程度維護集體安全跟美國日安保的合作這個主軸基調是在的這大概是第二點跟委員來做報告那第三點當然在管理跟中國的關係上那也會希望用比較務實的角度來進行必要的一個管理\n那第四個在政策路線上對於台灣有事可能對於日本的影響那他們確實幾乎都有一些跨黨派的共識那這部分我們是有蠻廣泛的跟日本政界的接觸那有得到以上比較初步的一個觀察跟委員做的說明我想第一個我們還是要密切去掌握狀況終究我想日本跟我們長期以來是對那現在這個政局當然我們不曉得最後的結果但是我們第一個一定要掌握\n那第二個但是我覺得因為每一個政黨或者每個人他們的路線多多少少會有些許不同所以這一點還是會對台灣會產生影響尤其我在這邊沒有特別講我覺得最近以來日本媒體很多人講說日本媒體\n最愛台灣了可是最近日本媒體對台灣的報導說實在都是會讓大家呈現比較憂心的一面不管是政治上的比如說日本媒體根本不同意大罷免甚至在他們的社論裡面那現在對我們的經貿問題這台灣媒體沒有提出來但是去提出說我們已經被各國人弱這都是我們值得去重視跟關心的警訊\n因為日本是民主國家那他們的媒體的討論會非常多元那我們都會來收報來掌握相關的動態謝謝委員來提醒我們\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.409 --> 00:11.541\n謝謝主席請我們蔡局長來局長請好謝謝主席王委員長好局長好\n\n00:12.441 --> 00:33.495\n那個前兩天日本媒體報導特別談到台灣在美中關係之間而且最主要的就是我們對外簽署相關的貿易協定那麼日媒就是日經新聞他直接說我們因為受到中美\n\n00:34.255 --> 00:56.772\n的夾擊的困境所以呢台灣簽貿易協定卻遭世界各國冷落這裡面主要是談到我們跟加拿大事實上已經談定但是呢但是其實沒有辦法簽署這個協定那我想台灣我們其實對外貿易是我們非常非常重要的一個環節\n\n00:57.933 --> 01:24.045\n那麼尤其我們現在也在面臨整個的美國的這個對等貿易關稅的這樣壓力所以請問一下就我們所了解日媒的報導日經新聞的報導是正確的嗎那有關於我們台灣對外洽簽貿易協定除了美國之外我們也激進跟其他國家洽簽貿易協定是不是確實有受阻的情形\n\n01:24.653 --> 01:53.609\n好先跟委員簡單說明一下因為那個經貿談判不是我的夜館但是因為委員在關切那我們大概就國際情資的角度來跟委員報告一下可能目前一些國際在這部分談判的一個狀況尤其在整個美國關稅之後我們可以看到國際之間確實對於雙邊多邊的經貿協定的洽談是越來越積極那我們國家在對外經貿談判也是不斷地在推動所以也跟英國最近有接近一個協定那我們是不是真的已經受阻了不只是跟美國\n\n01:54.629 --> 02:21.432\n跟其他國家因為連加拿大已經跟我們談定但是卻遲遲沒有辦法簽署而且這個已經受到日媒的日本媒體的一個高度關切對那因為有些這是事實嗎有些經貿談判他還在進行過程當中那當然媒體的報導我們都要重視那實際的進展我想還是要由涉及談判的單位來對外做比較完整的說明會比較恰當\n\n02:22.133 --> 02:42.644\n不過這個跟我們整個的其實我覺得台灣最重要的國安就是我們整個在國際間的有關於經貿的部分那個是最重要的那另外一件事情就是日本的政局日本現在自民黨已經產生他的新的那個黨魁\n\n02:43.624 --> 03:02.137\n但是那麼新的黨魁高市早苗能不能順利的成為日本的新任首相現在卻出現了變數啊那現在也有這個媒體報導啊就說日本的政局恐變天因為原來是自公黨的合作\n\n03:02.917 --> 03:26.992\n自民黨即使沒有過半數的席次仍然可以去拿下首相但是現在看起來非常有可能就是高市早苗沒有辦法成為新的首相而這對於台灣來講當然有影響大家也知道高市早苗因為基本上他走的是安倍路線那安倍跟台灣的關係非常的親密那麼特別跟賴總統的關係因為賴總統曾經去參加過佳季\n\n03:31.195 --> 03:53.706\n好那如果今天不是高市早苗的話而且有新的不管新的黑馬是誰那請問一下我們有沒有掌握相關的狀況我們的評估是什麼跟委員說明一下我還是前提先說明清楚我國安情報所長我不適合去評論其他國家的內政而且正在跟台灣呢對好那我來說直接跟台灣有關係啊\n\n03:56.747 --> 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在各政黨的政治立場上幾乎有它共同的地方"},{"start":266.095,"end":282.362,"text":"那對於這個區域安全跟某種程度維護集體安全跟美國日安保的合作這個主軸基調是在的這大概是第二點跟委員來做報告那第三點當然在管理跟中國的關係上那也會希望用比較務實的角度來進行必要的一個管理"},{"start":282.722,"end":302.67,"text":"那第四個在政策路線上對於台灣有事可能對於日本的影響那他們確實幾乎都有一些跨黨派的共識那這部分我們是有蠻廣泛的跟日本政界的接觸那有得到以上比較初步的一個觀察跟委員做的說明我想第一個我們還是要密切去掌握狀況終究我想日本跟我們長期以來是對那現在這個政局當然我們不曉得最後的結果但是我們第一個一定要掌握"},{"start":311.895,"end":328.434,"text":"那第二個但是我覺得因為每一個政黨或者每個人他們的路線多多少少會有些許不同所以這一點還是會對台灣會產生影響尤其我在這邊沒有特別講我覺得最近以來日本媒體很多人講說日本媒體"},{"start":329.235,"end":353.405,"text":"最愛台灣了可是最近日本媒體對台灣的報導說實在都是會讓大家呈現比較憂心的一面不管是政治上的比如說日本媒體根本不同意大罷免甚至在他們的社論裡面那現在對我們的經貿問題這台灣媒體沒有提出來但是去提出說我們已經被各國人弱這都是我們值得去重視跟關心的警訊"},{"start":354.045,"end":360.271,"text":"因為日本是民主國家那他們的媒體的討論會非常多元那我們都會來收報來掌握相關的動態謝謝委員來提醒我們"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":454,"blocks":[["王委員鴻薇：（11時23分）謝謝主席。我們請蔡局長。"],["主席：請蔡局長。"],["蔡局長明彥：謝謝主席，王委員早。"],["王委員鴻薇：局長好。前兩天有日本媒體報導，也就是日經新聞，特別談到臺灣在美中關係之間，我們對外簽署相關的貿易協定，因為受到中美夾擊的困境，所以臺灣簽貿易協定遭世界各國冷落。這個報導主要是說我們跟加拿大事實上已經談定，卻遲遲沒有辦法簽署這個協定。其實對外貿易是我們臺灣非常、非常重要的一個環節，尤其我們現在正面臨美國對等貿易關稅這樣的壓力。就我們所了解，日媒、日經新聞的報導是正確的嗎？除了美國之外，我們臺灣也積極跟其他國家洽簽貿易協定，現在是不是確實有受阻的情形？"],["蔡局長明彥：先跟委員說明一下，經貿談判不是我的業管，但因為委員關切，我們大概就國際情資的角度跟委員報告。國際目前在這部分談判的狀況，尤其在美國的關稅政策之後，我們可以看到國際間對於雙邊、多邊經貿協定的洽談，確實是越來越積極。我們國家在對外經貿的談判也不斷地在推動，所以最近也跟英國簽訂一個協定……"],["王委員鴻薇：我們是不是真的受阻了，不只是跟美國，跟其他國家？因為連加拿大都已經跟我們談定，卻遲遲沒有辦法簽署，而這個問題也受到日本媒體高度關切。這是事實嗎？"],["蔡局長明彥：有些經貿談判還在進行當中，當然媒體報導，我們也都要重視；實際的進展，我想還是要由涉及談判的單位來對外做比較完整的說明，會比較恰當。"],["王委員鴻薇：其實我覺得臺灣最重要的國安議題，就是我們整個在國際間關於經貿的部分，那個是最重要的。"],["蔡局長明彥：對。"],["王委員鴻薇：另外一件事情就是日本的政局，現在日本的自民黨已經產生新的黨魁，新黨魁高市早苗能不能順利成為日本的新任首相，現在出現變數。有媒體報導，日本的政局恐變天，因為原來是與公明黨合作，自民黨即使沒有過半數的席次，仍然可以拿下首相一職，但是現在看起來高市早苗非常有可能沒辦法成為新的首相，這對臺灣來講當然有影響。大家知道高市早苗基本上是走安倍路線，安倍跟臺灣的關係非常親密，特別是跟賴總統的關係，因為賴總統曾經參加過他的家祭。如果今天不是高市早苗的話，不管新的黑馬是誰，請問我們有沒有掌握相關狀況？我們的評估是什麼？"],["蔡局長明彥：我還是跟委員把前提先說明清楚，我是國安情報首長，不適合去評論其他國家的內政，而且是正在進行……"],["王委員鴻薇：那麼跟臺灣呢？這些跟臺灣有關係啊！"],["蔡局長明彥：好，現在就日本輿情的討論來跟委員報告。日本方面認為各政黨之間還在做一些折衝，高市代表的自民黨目前還在爭取在野黨的支持，另外在野黨的立憲民主黨也在爭取其他黨派的支持，所以目前都還在討論過程當中，我們不適合太早論斷。第二，各政黨的政治立場，幾乎也有它共同的地方，對於區域安全跟某種程度維護集體安全，跟美日安保的合作，這個主軸基調是在的，這是第二點要跟委員報告的。第三，在管理跟中國的關係上，也會希望用比較務實的角度進行必要的管理。第四，在政策路線上，對於臺灣有事，可能對於日本的影響，他們確實幾乎也都有一些跨黨派的共識。我們在這部分跟日本政界也都有廣泛的接觸，得到以上比較初步的觀察，跟委員說明。"],["王委員鴻薇：我想，第一個我們還是要密切掌握狀況，長期以來，日本終究跟我們是比較緊密的，對於現在的這個政局，當然我們不曉得最後的結果，但是我們第一個一定要掌握……"],["蔡局長明彥：對，我們不要去評論。"],["王委員鴻薇：第二個，因為每一個政黨或者是個人，他們的路線多多少少會有些許不同，這一點還是會對臺灣產生影響。很多人都說日本媒體最愛臺灣了，可是最近日本媒體對臺灣的報導，說實在話都會呈現讓大家比較憂心的一面，比如在政治上，日本媒體甚至在他們的社論裡面，根本不同意大罷免；現在對我們的經貿問題，這臺灣媒體沒有提出來，但是他們說我們已經被各國冷落，這些都是值得我們重視跟關心的警訊。"],["蔡局長明彥：因為日本是民主國家，他們媒體的討論會非常多元，我們都會蒐報，掌握相關的動態。謝謝委員提醒我們。"],["王委員鴻薇：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝王鴻薇委員，局長請回。","接下來進行詢答的鍾佳濱委員、鍾佳濱委員、鍾佳濱委員不在。","接下來請吳宗憲委員進行詢答，時間4分鐘。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":102,"meet_id":"委員會-11-4-35-4","speakers":["王定宇","陳俊宇","陳永康","羅美玲","沈伯洋","馬文君","陳冠廷","林楚茵","徐巧芯","王鴻薇","吳宗憲","黃仁","林憶君"],"page_start":67,"meetingDate":["2025-10-15"],"gazette_id":"1148302","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1148302_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第4次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請國家安全局局長蔡明彥率相關情報機關首長提出「國家情報工作暨國家安全局業務報告」，\n並備質詢","agenda_id":"1148302_00003"}}}