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--> 00:02:58,369\n那這部分我其實也已經請職安署去跟華航公司談那目前的確公司在這方面接觸下來是比較消極的所以我10月7號對不對上禮拜職安署有再一次打電話給華航那告知\n\n8\n00:03:00,649 --> 00:03:14,994\n如果是本部認可的職業醫學的醫師的話那開立在有這個休養期間的診斷證明書那就應該要依照這個如果勞工是依照規定來申請工商病假話就應該盡速的來給工商病假\n\n9\n00:03:15,894 --> 00:03:34,883\n我們上一代其實有再一次跟公司表達這個立場對所以我說因為現在剛好也發生長榮航空這個情勢所以我們希望像這一類的情勢勞動部還是要主動介入調查不要等到事情發生再來亡羊補牢而且我們也知道最近我們自行車大廠\n\n10\n00:03:35,903 --> 00:03:58,044\n也因為涉及強迫勞動的情勢而且被美國海關扣留禁書所以這一部分我們還是要多注意你看這影響的層面其實是很大連這個美國海關針對強迫勞動的情形他都給他扣留禁書所以這希望部長針對這一方面還是多幫我們關心來了解\n\n11\n00:03:59,824 --> 00:04:25,853\n好那我們就回到今天針對我們航空業職場健康的主題那我們前空服員職業工會的秘書長劉嘉偉他有發文揭露林林嘉偉對林嘉偉對抱歉林嘉偉那他說這個長榮航空在短短的一年之內就違反這個性平法針對申請\n\n12\n00:04:27,884 --> 00:04:52,451\n生理假家庭照顾假的劳工进行不利的处分那我们也看得到针对我们劳动部提供的我们劳动法令事业单位查询系统在这四年内我们发现了我们两大航空的巨头在违反性贫法工会法劳基法职安法这一部分这四年内各发生了23件\n\n13\n00:04:54,997 --> 00:05:20,530\n25件所以我們可以知道我們兩大的航空巨頭現在看起來是我們違反勞動法規的大戶那針對這樣的情形不知道部長有沒有掌握有所以這部分情形看4年內就發生那麼多所以表示他們針對這部分你看4年內就發生那麼多那我覺得對我們航空業這個巨頭這個指標我覺得這應該勞動部應該多多嚴格的監督才對當然\n\n14\n00:05:26,158 --> 00:05:49,050\n那而且針對這部分那我請問一下部長我們針對促進性別工作平等還有懷孕婦女的母性照顧以及創造育嬰育兒的友善工作環境因應少子化危機現在也是我們勞動部跟衛福部這兩大機關我們近年來大力宣傳的重要政策對不對\n\n15\n00:05:50,768 --> 00:06:13,296\n不只是宣傳我們都希望能夠做得更好更到位對啊那居然是我們重要的政策方向那為什麼我們長榮航空你看還有包括華航那這公然大力走我們政策倒車的部分那難道部長針對這部分沒有強烈的去了解去關心\n\n16\n00:06:15,416 --> 00:06:41,687\n其實航空業其實他女性的員工的比例不低那跟這些性工法相關的不管是孕流值或生理價或家照價相關的其實的確我們認為這應該是航空業接下來應該要特別注意跟改善的部分依照現在目前這個不管是長榮也好或者是華航也好這些相關被裁罰的紀錄來說我想這\n\n17\n00:06:44,144 --> 00:07:09,569\n不太符合國人對於他們這個社會責任的期待所以因為今天發生長榮航空空服員這個事情我們大家才重視到你看所以你看他們這兩大航空巨頭其實你看這四年內其實他們就違反這麼多勞動法規的規定所以其實因為發生這以後我們大家才注意到所以其實他們這算是長期的累犯\n\n18\n00:07:11,448 --> 00:07:20,259\n而且看一下部長你看一下我們提供的這部分這個我看剛剛王玉敏委員跟劉建國委員都有提到針對這個他們違反\n\n19\n00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:42,435\n性平法這些等等開罰這些紀錄你看他都是罰最低的金額那根據我們違反勞動法規的裁罰基準第一次罰最低那累犯第二次第三次他還是這樣子罰最低的金額嗎目前看起來的確因為這個是台灣市勞動省區在開罰的\n\n20\n00:07:50,868 --> 00:08:14,194\n那我們會來跟台灣市勞檢局包括我們找民航局一起啦那特別針對比方像航空業那台灣市勞檢局有定一個他們的一個裁罰的基準剛才其實前面的委員有秀出來那相對於像這樣子的這麼大型的企業是不是要用同一個基準還是是應該要有更加嚇阻力的裁罰的方法我認為這事情我們會跟\n\n21\n00:08:15,114 --> 00:08:36,953\n包括民航局跟台灣稅務檢局一起來我覺得來討論怎麼樣把賀祖利可以提高所以部長你要知道其實它本身這個大企業就像剛剛文砥委員也有提到其實這麼大的企業它財閥這個金額對他們來講其實可能不痛不癢而且財閥的基準應該是正式越發越重你看它這個累犯\n\n22\n00:08:38,434 --> 00:08:54,561\n這個短短的時間內就犯了七件然後而且七件每次都還是罰最低的金額你罰高的金額都未必對它有遏止的效果更何況還是才罰最低所以這一部分我希望勞動部能夠掌握來去了解一下好不好\n\n23\n00:08:56,102 --> 00:09:09,307\n希望部長這個事情已經發生了我們希望針對這一部分還是要來去重視針對這一部分是不是因為這樣子的裁罰對他們完全產生不了這個嚇阻的效果好謝謝\n\n24\n00:09:10,046 --> 00:09:29,235\n好那還有針對本席在6月18號有質詢我們部長針對新制教昭那時候我們有講他因為現在新制教昭是14天那勞動部是勞工的主管機關那站在勞工的權益來講他這14天\n\n25\n00:09:30,856 --> 00:09:53,515\n之後有可能馬上接連著上班的問題那而且有可能連續上20幾天就是14天上完馬上上班有可能等於連續上20幾天的班那當時有請勞動部針對這部分去了解請跟國防部來溝通可是後來我看國防部發給桃園市產業總工會6月25號的回文\n\n26\n00:09:56,557 --> 00:10:12,596\n國防部說教招結束訓練都在週五的下午16點隔日即為國定例假日請教部長我們國家的勞動法規有規定所謂的國定例假日嗎\n\n27\n00:10:15,578 --> 00:10:40,033\n我們沒有明定例假一定要在禮拜六或禮拜天所以國防部這個回文規定他的意思是說到週五14天上完馬上就是六日放假但是他未必六日放假有可能就像我講他14天上完馬上接連就上七天他可能連續上21天的班所以針對這一部分我們全台灣一千多萬的勞工\n\n28\n00:10:41,334 --> 00:10:55,416\n那而且我們並不是國定例假日所以這部分是不是國防部對於我們勞工的出勤的實際的狀況認知是不清楚的那勞動部針對這部分有跟國防部好好溝通協調嗎\n\n29\n00:10:57,202 --> 00:11:27,022\n因為這個文我們沒有拿到對這上次我有質詢那我下次我說這個國防部的這個回文我們沒有拿到對所以我現在就是讓部長知道這件事情因為當初是我們在質詢的時候請我們勞動部來協助所以是不是勞動部要跟國防部來溝通一下因為我們當初就講你這14天再接著上班有可能他是連續上20幾天的班我們可以來跟國防部來了解一下\n\n30\n00:11:27,603 --> 00:11:35,436\n那我们是建议啦其实居然他这个我们可以知道我们新制这个教召\n\n31\n00:11:36,556 --> 00:11:59,699\n其實是為了加強這個訓練強度那國家要求全國民眾配合那當然包含了雇主還有這個受雇的勞工那針對這部分我們是那時候就是建議14天工假之外是不是給他再加一天等於15天的工假那對於我們要照顧\n\n32\n00:12:00,660 --> 00:12:21,286\n我們的勞工也要減輕雇主的負擔當然我知道說我們全數有列報薪資費用之外還可以薪資加成150%的減除這個規定那我覺得這個部分可能誘因還是不足那為了照顧勞工也保障雇主的權益我們建議這個薪資\n\n33\n00:12:24,306 --> 00:12:49,718\n申報減稅加成部分是不是可以增加甚至加看針對這一天的部分是不是可以加到300%的部分不然你這14天他有可能連續就像我們講因為你沒有給他這一天他有可能因為法規上沒有強制國定立假日勞工有可能14天的薪資交召再加上馬上回到工作崗位他可能連續上班是20幾天\n\n34\n00:12:51,896 --> 00:13:00,646\n跟委員說明因為剛剛委員講到不要減稅的部分可能會是財政部或其他部會的權責但是因為委員其實已經質詢過幾次的這個議題\n\n35\n00:13:03,021 --> 00:13:23,878\n那我们第一个我们会来跟国防部再了解一下他们这里面的一些想法跟考虑对当然我希望我们整个配套去做好并不是说无限上纲让雇主去承担这14天又再加一天变15天的工价但是我们担心的是劳工的部分有可能因为这样子的\n\n36\n00:13:25,100 --> 00:13:41,167\n心智教召再加上馬上回到工作崗位有可能會造成過勞連續上班二十幾天的問題那當然我希望勞動部跟國防部甚至我們的稅捐單位能夠溝通協調來重視這個問題好謝謝好這部分請我們勞動部再多幫忙協調溝通好謝謝部長好謝謝土偉謝謝部長請回\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8397\t14643\t好謝謝主席那請我們勞動部我們洪森漢部長還有我們調評師我們黃師長還有勞動法務司黃師長來有請都緣好好部長那請問一下那針對我們長榮航空\n35237\t58730\t針對長榮航空空服員離世也讓我們社會大眾重新開始認識我們航空產業的職場問題我們也看到在前天我們的前立委邱顯智有復讀而且指控直航要求空服員這個空服員其實他已經在榮總有開立診斷證明醫生也建議他\n61331\t81705\t多休息不適合 暫時不適合做地勤的工作可是這華航還是要求他回去桃園機場做這地勤的工作那我請問一下我們調平司我們的司長還有我們勞動法務司的司長請問一下這雇主這樣的行為有沒有強迫勞動的情形\n83116\t103920\t跟委員報告這個個案裡面基本上之前我們有瞭解他其實在直災期間直災的工商病假這個部分是沒有爭議那現在的爭議是針對醫主上面是不是他可以復職的這個部分那雙方其實正在協商因為有不同的這個專業醫師提出來的專業意見有所差異\n107601\t132415\t那我们子安署这边也有协助那这个部分其实我们会建议这个我们其实也有建议公司要跟员工好好的协商因为他这个部分的工伤病假有请了一段时间那基本上如果他双方这个专业的医嘱证明是他需要再复健需要再医疗他其实工伤病假是需要持续的\n133100\t160148\t好那我也希望我做我做我做點說明這個職災的空服員其實我之前有親自探望那我有請同仁持續的協助那這個空服員當然跟我們表達其實公司在工商併價的請假的這個程序上面比較久那也有一些自費的項目那因為這個團保的給付沒有認所以公司不願意負擔\n161408\t178369\t那這部分我其實也已經請職安署去跟華航公司談那目前的確公司在這方面接觸下來是比較消極的所以我10月7號對不對上禮拜職安署有再一次打電話給華航那告知\n180649\t194994\t如果是本部認可的職業醫學的醫師的話那開立在有這個休養期間的診斷證明書那就應該要依照這個如果勞工是依照規定來申請工商病假話就應該盡速的來給工商病假\n195894\t214883\t我們上一代其實有再一次跟公司表達這個立場對 所以我說因為現在剛好也發生長榮航空這個情勢所以我們希望像這一類的情勢勞動部還是要主動介入調查不要等到事情發生再來亡羊補牢而且我們也知道最近我們自行車大廠\n215903\t238044\t也因為涉及強迫勞動的情勢而且被美國海關扣留禁書所以這一部分我們還是要多注意你看這影響的層面其實是很大連這個美國海關針對強迫勞動的情形他都給他扣留禁書所以這希望部長針對這一方面還是多幫我們關心來了解\n239824\t265853\t好 那我們就回到今天針對我們航空業職場健康的主題那我們前空服員職業工會的秘書長劉嘉偉 他有發文揭露林林嘉偉 對 林嘉偉 對 抱歉林嘉偉那他說這個長榮航空在短短的一年之內就違反這個性平法針對申請\n267884\t292451\t生理假 家庭照顾假的劳工进行不利的处分那我们也看得到针对我们劳动部提供的我们劳动法令事业单位查询系统在这四年内我们发现了我们两大航空的巨头在违反性贫法 工会法 劳基法 职安法这一部分这四年内各发生了23件\n294997\t320530\t25件所以我們可以知道我們兩大的航空巨頭現在看起來是我們違反勞動法規的大戶那針對這樣的情形不知道部長有沒有掌握有所以這部分情形看4年內就發生那麼多所以表示他們針對這部分你看4年內就發生那麼多那我覺得對我們航空業這個巨頭這個指標我覺得這應該勞動部應該多多嚴格的監督才對當然\n326158\t349050\t那而且針對這部分那我請問一下部長我們針對促進性別工作平等還有懷孕婦女的母性照顧以及創造育嬰育兒的友善工作環境因應少子化危機現在也是我們勞動部跟衛福部這兩大機關我們近年來大力宣傳的重要政策對不對\n350768\t373296\t不只是宣傳我們都希望能夠做得更好更到位對啊那居然是我們重要的政策方向那為什麼我們長榮航空你看還有包括華航那這公然大力走我們政策倒車的部分那難道部長針對這部分沒有強烈的去了解去關心\n375416\t401687\t其實航空業其實他女性的員工的比例不低那跟這些性工法相關的不管是孕流值或生理價或家照價相關的其實的確我們認為這應該是航空業接下來應該要特別注意跟改善的部分依照現在目前這個不管是長榮也好或者是華航也好這些相關被裁罰的紀錄來說我想這\n404144\t429569\t不太符合國人對於他們這個社會責任的期待所以因為今天發生長榮航空空服員這個事情我們大家才重視到你看所以你看他們這兩大航空巨頭其實你看這四年內其實他們就違反這麼多勞動法規的規定所以其實因為發生這以後我們大家才注意到所以其實他們這算是長期的累犯\n431448\t440259\t而且看一下部長你看一下我們提供的這部分這個我看剛剛王玉敏委員跟劉建國委員都有提到針對這個他們違反\n443840\t462435\t性平法這些等等開罰這些紀錄你看他都是罰最低的金額那根據我們違反勞動法規的裁罰基準第一次罰最低那累犯第二次第三次他還是這樣子罰最低的金額嗎目前看起來的確因為這個是台灣市勞動省區在開罰的\n470868\t494194\t那我們會來跟台灣市勞檢局包括我們找民航局一起啦那特別針對比方像航空業那台灣市勞檢局有定一個他們的一個裁罰的基準剛才其實前面的委員有秀出來那相對於像這樣子的這麼大型的企業是不是要用同一個基準還是是應該要有更加嚇阻力的裁罰的方法我認為這事情我們會跟\n495114\t516953\t包括民航局跟台灣稅務檢局一起來我覺得來討論怎麼樣把賀祖利可以提高所以部長你要知道其實它本身這個大企業就像剛剛文砥委員也有提到其實這麼大的企業它財閥這個金額對他們來講其實可能不痛不癢而且財閥的基準應該是正式越發越重你看它這個累犯\n518434\t534561\t這個短短的時間內就犯了七件然後而且七件每次都還是罰最低的金額你罰高的金額都未必對它有遏止的效果更何況還是才罰最低所以這一部分我希望勞動部能夠掌握來去了解一下好不好\n536102\t549307\t希望部長 這個事情已經發生了我們希望針對這一部分還是要來去重視針對這一部分是不是因為這樣子的裁罰對他們完全產生不了這個嚇阻的效果好 謝謝\n550046\t569235\t好那還有針對本席在6月18號有質詢我們部長針對新制教昭那時候我們有講他因為現在新制教昭是14天那勞動部是勞工的主管機關那站在勞工的權益來講他這14天\n570856\t593515\t之後有可能馬上接連著上班的問題那而且有可能連續上20幾天就是14天上完馬上上班有可能等於連續上20幾天的班那當時有請勞動部針對這部分去了解請跟國防部來溝通可是後來我看國防部發給桃園市產業總工會6月25號的回文\n596557\t612596\t國防部說 教招結束訓練都在週五的下午16點隔日即為國定例假日請教部長 我們國家的勞動法規有規定所謂的國定例假日嗎\n615578\t640033\t我們沒有明定例假一定要在禮拜六或禮拜天所以國防部這個回文規定他的意思是說到週五14天上完馬上就是六日放假但是他未必六日放假有可能就像我講他14天上完馬上接連就上七天他可能連續上21天的班所以針對這一部分我們全台灣一千多萬的勞工\n641334\t655416\t那而且我們並不是國定例假日所以這部分是不是國防部對於我們勞工的出勤的實際的狀況認知是不清楚的那勞動部針對這部分有跟國防部好好溝通協調嗎\n657202\t687022\t因為這個文我們沒有拿到對 這上次我有質詢那我下次我說這個國防部的這個回文我們沒有拿到對 所以我現在就是讓部長知道這件事情因為當初是我們在質詢的時候請我們勞動部來協助所以是不是勞動部要跟國防部來溝通一下因為我們當初就講你這14天再接著上班有可能他是連續上20幾天的班我們可以來跟國防部來了解一下\n687603\t695436\t那我们是建议啦其实居然他这个我们可以知道我们新制这个教召\n696556\t719699\t其實是為了加強這個訓練強度那國家要求全國民眾配合那當然包含了雇主還有這個受雇的勞工那針對這部分我們是那時候就是建議14天工假之外是不是給他再加一天等於15天的工假那對於我們要照顧\n720660\t741286\t我們的勞工也要減輕雇主的負擔當然我知道說我們全數有列報薪資費用之外還可以薪資加成150%的減除這個規定那我覺得這個部分可能誘因還是不足那為了照顧勞工也保障雇主的權益我們建議這個薪資\n744306\t769718\t申報減稅加成部分是不是可以增加甚至加看針對這一天的部分是不是可以加到300%的部分不然你這14天他有可能連續就像我們講因為你沒有給他這一天他有可能因為法規上沒有強制國定立假日勞工有可能14天的薪資交召再加上馬上回到工作崗位他可能連續上班是20幾天\n771896\t780646\t跟委員說明因為剛剛委員講到不要減稅的部分可能會是財政部或其他部會的權責但是因為委員其實已經質詢過幾次的這個議題\n783021\t803878\t那我们第一个我们会来跟国防部再了解一下他们这里面的一些想法跟考虑对 当然我希望我们整个配套去做好并不是说无限上纲让雇主去承担这14天又再加一天变15天的工价但是我们担心的是劳工的部分有可能因为这样子的\n805100\t821167\t心智教召再加上馬上回到工作崗位有可能會造成過勞連續上班二十幾天的問題那當然我希望勞動部跟國防部甚至我們的稅捐單位能夠溝通協調來重視這個問題好 謝謝好 這部分請我們勞動部再多幫忙協調溝通好 謝謝部長好 謝謝土偉 謝謝部長請回\n","txt":"好謝謝主席那請我們勞動部我們洪森漢部長還有我們調評師我們黃師長還有勞動法務司黃師長來有請都緣好好部長那請問一下那針對我們長榮航空\n針對長榮航空空服員離世也讓我們社會大眾重新開始認識我們航空產業的職場問題我們也看到在前天我們的前立委邱顯智有復讀而且指控直航要求空服員這個空服員其實他已經在榮總有開立診斷證明醫生也建議他\n多休息不適合 暫時不適合做地勤的工作可是這華航還是要求他回去桃園機場做這地勤的工作那我請問一下我們調平司我們的司長還有我們勞動法務司的司長請問一下這雇主這樣的行為有沒有強迫勞動的情形\n跟委員報告這個個案裡面基本上之前我們有瞭解他其實在直災期間直災的工商病假這個部分是沒有爭議那現在的爭議是針對醫主上面是不是他可以復職的這個部分那雙方其實正在協商因為有不同的這個專業醫師提出來的專業意見有所差異\n那我们子安署这边也有协助那这个部分其实我们会建议这个我们其实也有建议公司要跟员工好好的协商因为他这个部分的工伤病假有请了一段时间那基本上如果他双方这个专业的医嘱证明是他需要再复健需要再医疗他其实工伤病假是需要持续的\n好那我也希望我做我做我做點說明這個職災的空服員其實我之前有親自探望那我有請同仁持續的協助那這個空服員當然跟我們表達其實公司在工商併價的請假的這個程序上面比較久那也有一些自費的項目那因為這個團保的給付沒有認所以公司不願意負擔\n那這部分我其實也已經請職安署去跟華航公司談那目前的確公司在這方面接觸下來是比較消極的所以我10月7號對不對上禮拜職安署有再一次打電話給華航那告知\n如果是本部認可的職業醫學的醫師的話那開立在有這個休養期間的診斷證明書那就應該要依照這個如果勞工是依照規定來申請工商病假話就應該盡速的來給工商病假\n我們上一代其實有再一次跟公司表達這個立場對 所以我說因為現在剛好也發生長榮航空這個情勢所以我們希望像這一類的情勢勞動部還是要主動介入調查不要等到事情發生再來亡羊補牢而且我們也知道最近我們自行車大廠\n也因為涉及強迫勞動的情勢而且被美國海關扣留禁書所以這一部分我們還是要多注意你看這影響的層面其實是很大連這個美國海關針對強迫勞動的情形他都給他扣留禁書所以這希望部長針對這一方面還是多幫我們關心來了解\n好 那我們就回到今天針對我們航空業職場健康的主題那我們前空服員職業工會的秘書長劉嘉偉 他有發文揭露林林嘉偉 對 林嘉偉 對 抱歉林嘉偉那他說這個長榮航空在短短的一年之內就違反這個性平法針對申請\n生理假 家庭照顾假的劳工进行不利的处分那我们也看得到针对我们劳动部提供的我们劳动法令事业单位查询系统在这四年内我们发现了我们两大航空的巨头在违反性贫法 工会法 劳基法 职安法这一部分这四年内各发生了23件\n25件所以我們可以知道我們兩大的航空巨頭現在看起來是我們違反勞動法規的大戶那針對這樣的情形不知道部長有沒有掌握有所以這部分情形看4年內就發生那麼多所以表示他們針對這部分你看4年內就發生那麼多那我覺得對我們航空業這個巨頭這個指標我覺得這應該勞動部應該多多嚴格的監督才對當然\n那而且針對這部分那我請問一下部長我們針對促進性別工作平等還有懷孕婦女的母性照顧以及創造育嬰育兒的友善工作環境因應少子化危機現在也是我們勞動部跟衛福部這兩大機關我們近年來大力宣傳的重要政策對不對\n不只是宣傳我們都希望能夠做得更好更到位對啊那居然是我們重要的政策方向那為什麼我們長榮航空你看還有包括華航那這公然大力走我們政策倒車的部分那難道部長針對這部分沒有強烈的去了解去關心\n其實航空業其實他女性的員工的比例不低那跟這些性工法相關的不管是孕流值或生理價或家照價相關的其實的確我們認為這應該是航空業接下來應該要特別注意跟改善的部分依照現在目前這個不管是長榮也好或者是華航也好這些相關被裁罰的紀錄來說我想這\n不太符合國人對於他們這個社會責任的期待所以因為今天發生長榮航空空服員這個事情我們大家才重視到你看所以你看他們這兩大航空巨頭其實你看這四年內其實他們就違反這麼多勞動法規的規定所以其實因為發生這以後我們大家才注意到所以其實他們這算是長期的累犯\n而且看一下部長你看一下我們提供的這部分這個我看剛剛王玉敏委員跟劉建國委員都有提到針對這個他們違反\n性平法這些等等開罰這些紀錄你看他都是罰最低的金額那根據我們違反勞動法規的裁罰基準第一次罰最低那累犯第二次第三次他還是這樣子罰最低的金額嗎目前看起來的確因為這個是台灣市勞動省區在開罰的\n那我們會來跟台灣市勞檢局包括我們找民航局一起啦那特別針對比方像航空業那台灣市勞檢局有定一個他們的一個裁罰的基準剛才其實前面的委員有秀出來那相對於像這樣子的這麼大型的企業是不是要用同一個基準還是是應該要有更加嚇阻力的裁罰的方法我認為這事情我們會跟\n包括民航局跟台灣稅務檢局一起來我覺得來討論怎麼樣把賀祖利可以提高所以部長你要知道其實它本身這個大企業就像剛剛文砥委員也有提到其實這麼大的企業它財閥這個金額對他們來講其實可能不痛不癢而且財閥的基準應該是正式越發越重你看它這個累犯\n這個短短的時間內就犯了七件然後而且七件每次都還是罰最低的金額你罰高的金額都未必對它有遏止的效果更何況還是才罰最低所以這一部分我希望勞動部能夠掌握來去了解一下好不好\n希望部長 這個事情已經發生了我們希望針對這一部分還是要來去重視針對這一部分是不是因為這樣子的裁罰對他們完全產生不了這個嚇阻的效果好 謝謝\n好那還有針對本席在6月18號有質詢我們部長針對新制教昭那時候我們有講他因為現在新制教昭是14天那勞動部是勞工的主管機關那站在勞工的權益來講他這14天\n之後有可能馬上接連著上班的問題那而且有可能連續上20幾天就是14天上完馬上上班有可能等於連續上20幾天的班那當時有請勞動部針對這部分去了解請跟國防部來溝通可是後來我看國防部發給桃園市產業總工會6月25號的回文\n國防部說 教招結束訓練都在週五的下午16點隔日即為國定例假日請教部長 我們國家的勞動法規有規定所謂的國定例假日嗎\n我們沒有明定例假一定要在禮拜六或禮拜天所以國防部這個回文規定他的意思是說到週五14天上完馬上就是六日放假但是他未必六日放假有可能就像我講他14天上完馬上接連就上七天他可能連續上21天的班所以針對這一部分我們全台灣一千多萬的勞工\n那而且我們並不是國定例假日所以這部分是不是國防部對於我們勞工的出勤的實際的狀況認知是不清楚的那勞動部針對這部分有跟國防部好好溝通協調嗎\n因為這個文我們沒有拿到對 這上次我有質詢那我下次我說這個國防部的這個回文我們沒有拿到對 所以我現在就是讓部長知道這件事情因為當初是我們在質詢的時候請我們勞動部來協助所以是不是勞動部要跟國防部來溝通一下因為我們當初就講你這14天再接著上班有可能他是連續上20幾天的班我們可以來跟國防部來了解一下\n那我们是建议啦其实居然他这个我们可以知道我们新制这个教召\n其實是為了加強這個訓練強度那國家要求全國民眾配合那當然包含了雇主還有這個受雇的勞工那針對這部分我們是那時候就是建議14天工假之外是不是給他再加一天等於15天的工假那對於我們要照顧\n我們的勞工也要減輕雇主的負擔當然我知道說我們全數有列報薪資費用之外還可以薪資加成150%的減除這個規定那我覺得這個部分可能誘因還是不足那為了照顧勞工也保障雇主的權益我們建議這個薪資\n申報減稅加成部分是不是可以增加甚至加看針對這一天的部分是不是可以加到300%的部分不然你這14天他有可能連續就像我們講因為你沒有給他這一天他有可能因為法規上沒有強制國定立假日勞工有可能14天的薪資交召再加上馬上回到工作崗位他可能連續上班是20幾天\n跟委員說明因為剛剛委員講到不要減稅的部分可能會是財政部或其他部會的權責但是因為委員其實已經質詢過幾次的這個議題\n那我们第一个我们会来跟国防部再了解一下他们这里面的一些想法跟考虑对 当然我希望我们整个配套去做好并不是说无限上纲让雇主去承担这14天又再加一天变15天的工价但是我们担心的是劳工的部分有可能因为这样子的\n心智教召再加上馬上回到工作崗位有可能會造成過勞連續上班二十幾天的問題那當然我希望勞動部跟國防部甚至我們的稅捐單位能夠溝通協調來重視這個問題好 謝謝好 這部分請我們勞動部再多幫忙協調溝通好 謝謝部長好 謝謝土偉 謝謝部長請回\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.397 --> 00:14.643\n好謝謝主席那請我們勞動部我們洪森漢部長還有我們調評師我們黃師長還有勞動法務司黃師長來有請都緣好好部長那請問一下那針對我們長榮航空\n\n00:35.237 --> 00:58.730\n針對長榮航空空服員離世也讓我們社會大眾重新開始認識我們航空產業的職場問題我們也看到在前天我們的前立委邱顯智有復讀而且指控直航要求空服員這個空服員其實他已經在榮總有開立診斷證明醫生也建議他\n\n01:01.331 --> 01:21.705\n多休息不適合暫時不適合做地勤的工作可是這華航還是要求他回去桃園機場做這地勤的工作那我請問一下我們調平司我們的司長還有我們勞動法務司的司長請問一下這雇主這樣的行為有沒有強迫勞動的情形\n\n01:23.116 --> 01:43.920\n跟委員報告這個個案裡面基本上之前我們有瞭解他其實在直災期間直災的工商病假這個部分是沒有爭議那現在的爭議是針對醫主上面是不是他可以復職的這個部分那雙方其實正在協商因為有不同的這個專業醫師提出來的專業意見有所差異\n\n01:47.601 --> 02:12.415\n那我们子安署这边也有协助那这个部分其实我们会建议这个我们其实也有建议公司要跟员工好好的协商因为他这个部分的工伤病假有请了一段时间那基本上如果他双方这个专业的医嘱证明是他需要再复健需要再医疗他其实工伤病假是需要持续的\n\n02:13.100 --> 02:40.148\n好那我也希望我做我做我做點說明這個職災的空服員其實我之前有親自探望那我有請同仁持續的協助那這個空服員當然跟我們表達其實公司在工商併價的請假的這個程序上面比較久那也有一些自費的項目那因為這個團保的給付沒有認所以公司不願意負擔\n\n02:41.408 --> 02:58.369\n那這部分我其實也已經請職安署去跟華航公司談那目前的確公司在這方面接觸下來是比較消極的所以我10月7號對不對上禮拜職安署有再一次打電話給華航那告知\n\n03:00.649 --> 03:14.994\n如果是本部認可的職業醫學的醫師的話那開立在有這個休養期間的診斷證明書那就應該要依照這個如果勞工是依照規定來申請工商病假話就應該盡速的來給工商病假\n\n03:15.894 --> 03:34.883\n我們上一代其實有再一次跟公司表達這個立場對所以我說因為現在剛好也發生長榮航空這個情勢所以我們希望像這一類的情勢勞動部還是要主動介入調查不要等到事情發生再來亡羊補牢而且我們也知道最近我們自行車大廠\n\n03:35.903 --> 03:58.044\n也因為涉及強迫勞動的情勢而且被美國海關扣留禁書所以這一部分我們還是要多注意你看這影響的層面其實是很大連這個美國海關針對強迫勞動的情形他都給他扣留禁書所以這希望部長針對這一方面還是多幫我們關心來了解\n\n03:59.824 --> 04:25.853\n好那我們就回到今天針對我們航空業職場健康的主題那我們前空服員職業工會的秘書長劉嘉偉他有發文揭露林林嘉偉對林嘉偉對抱歉林嘉偉那他說這個長榮航空在短短的一年之內就違反這個性平法針對申請\n\n04:27.884 --> 04:52.451\n生理假家庭照顾假的劳工进行不利的处分那我们也看得到针对我们劳动部提供的我们劳动法令事业单位查询系统在这四年内我们发现了我们两大航空的巨头在违反性贫法工会法劳基法职安法这一部分这四年内各发生了23件\n\n04:54.997 --> 05:20.530\n25件所以我們可以知道我們兩大的航空巨頭現在看起來是我們違反勞動法規的大戶那針對這樣的情形不知道部長有沒有掌握有所以這部分情形看4年內就發生那麼多所以表示他們針對這部分你看4年內就發生那麼多那我覺得對我們航空業這個巨頭這個指標我覺得這應該勞動部應該多多嚴格的監督才對當然\n\n05:26.158 --> 05:49.050\n那而且針對這部分那我請問一下部長我們針對促進性別工作平等還有懷孕婦女的母性照顧以及創造育嬰育兒的友善工作環境因應少子化危機現在也是我們勞動部跟衛福部這兩大機關我們近年來大力宣傳的重要政策對不對\n\n05:50.768 --> 06:13.296\n不只是宣傳我們都希望能夠做得更好更到位對啊那居然是我們重要的政策方向那為什麼我們長榮航空你看還有包括華航那這公然大力走我們政策倒車的部分那難道部長針對這部分沒有強烈的去了解去關心\n\n06:15.416 --> 06:41.687\n其實航空業其實他女性的員工的比例不低那跟這些性工法相關的不管是孕流值或生理價或家照價相關的其實的確我們認為這應該是航空業接下來應該要特別注意跟改善的部分依照現在目前這個不管是長榮也好或者是華航也好這些相關被裁罰的紀錄來說我想這\n\n06:44.144 --> 07:09.569\n不太符合國人對於他們這個社會責任的期待所以因為今天發生長榮航空空服員這個事情我們大家才重視到你看所以你看他們這兩大航空巨頭其實你看這四年內其實他們就違反這麼多勞動法規的規定所以其實因為發生這以後我們大家才注意到所以其實他們這算是長期的累犯\n\n07:11.448 --> 07:20.259\n而且看一下部長你看一下我們提供的這部分這個我看剛剛王玉敏委員跟劉建國委員都有提到針對這個他們違反\n\n07:23.840 --> 07:42.435\n性平法這些等等開罰這些紀錄你看他都是罰最低的金額那根據我們違反勞動法規的裁罰基準第一次罰最低那累犯第二次第三次他還是這樣子罰最低的金額嗎目前看起來的確因為這個是台灣市勞動省區在開罰的\n\n07:50.868 --> 08:14.194\n那我們會來跟台灣市勞檢局包括我們找民航局一起啦那特別針對比方像航空業那台灣市勞檢局有定一個他們的一個裁罰的基準剛才其實前面的委員有秀出來那相對於像這樣子的這麼大型的企業是不是要用同一個基準還是是應該要有更加嚇阻力的裁罰的方法我認為這事情我們會跟\n\n08:15.114 --> 08:36.953\n包括民航局跟台灣稅務檢局一起來我覺得來討論怎麼樣把賀祖利可以提高所以部長你要知道其實它本身這個大企業就像剛剛文砥委員也有提到其實這麼大的企業它財閥這個金額對他們來講其實可能不痛不癢而且財閥的基準應該是正式越發越重你看它這個累犯\n\n08:38.434 --> 08:54.561\n這個短短的時間內就犯了七件然後而且七件每次都還是罰最低的金額你罰高的金額都未必對它有遏止的效果更何況還是才罰最低所以這一部分我希望勞動部能夠掌握來去了解一下好不好\n\n08:56.102 --> 09:09.307\n希望部長這個事情已經發生了我們希望針對這一部分還是要來去重視針對這一部分是不是因為這樣子的裁罰對他們完全產生不了這個嚇阻的效果好謝謝\n\n09:10.046 --> 09:29.235\n好那還有針對本席在6月18號有質詢我們部長針對新制教昭那時候我們有講他因為現在新制教昭是14天那勞動部是勞工的主管機關那站在勞工的權益來講他這14天\n\n09:30.856 --> 09:53.515\n之後有可能馬上接連著上班的問題那而且有可能連續上20幾天就是14天上完馬上上班有可能等於連續上20幾天的班那當時有請勞動部針對這部分去了解請跟國防部來溝通可是後來我看國防部發給桃園市產業總工會6月25號的回文\n\n09:56.557 --> 10:12.596\n國防部說教招結束訓練都在週五的下午16點隔日即為國定例假日請教部長我們國家的勞動法規有規定所謂的國定例假日嗎\n\n10:15.578 --> 10:40.033\n我們沒有明定例假一定要在禮拜六或禮拜天所以國防部這個回文規定他的意思是說到週五14天上完馬上就是六日放假但是他未必六日放假有可能就像我講他14天上完馬上接連就上七天他可能連續上21天的班所以針對這一部分我們全台灣一千多萬的勞工\n\n10:41.334 --> 10:55.416\n那而且我們並不是國定例假日所以這部分是不是國防部對於我們勞工的出勤的實際的狀況認知是不清楚的那勞動部針對這部分有跟國防部好好溝通協調嗎\n\n10:57.202 --> 11:27.022\n因為這個文我們沒有拿到對這上次我有質詢那我下次我說這個國防部的這個回文我們沒有拿到對所以我現在就是讓部長知道這件事情因為當初是我們在質詢的時候請我們勞動部來協助所以是不是勞動部要跟國防部來溝通一下因為我們當初就講你這14天再接著上班有可能他是連續上20幾天的班我們可以來跟國防部來了解一下\n\n11:27.603 --> 11:35.436\n那我们是建议啦其实居然他这个我们可以知道我们新制这个教召\n\n11:36.556 --> 11:59.699\n其實是為了加強這個訓練強度那國家要求全國民眾配合那當然包含了雇主還有這個受雇的勞工那針對這部分我們是那時候就是建議14天工假之外是不是給他再加一天等於15天的工假那對於我們要照顧\n\n12:00.660 --> 12:21.286\n我們的勞工也要減輕雇主的負擔當然我知道說我們全數有列報薪資費用之外還可以薪資加成150%的減除這個規定那我覺得這個部分可能誘因還是不足那為了照顧勞工也保障雇主的權益我們建議這個薪資\n\n12:24.306 --> 12:49.718\n申報減稅加成部分是不是可以增加甚至加看針對這一天的部分是不是可以加到300%的部分不然你這14天他有可能連續就像我們講因為你沒有給他這一天他有可能因為法規上沒有強制國定立假日勞工有可能14天的薪資交召再加上馬上回到工作崗位他可能連續上班是20幾天\n\n12:51.896 --> 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( 二) 委員廖先翔等18 人擬具「職業安全衛生法第三十五條條文修正草\n案」案、(三)委員牛煦庭等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四十九條條文修正草案」案、(四)委員\n李昆澤等26人擬具「職業安全衛生法第三十九條及第四十九條條文修正草案」案、(五)委員魯明\n哲等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四十條條文修正草案」案、(六)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「職業安\n全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(七)委員林淑芬等19人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四十三條條文\n修正草案」案、(八)委員楊曜等22人擬具「職業安全衛生法第六條條文修正草案」案、(九)委員\n李昆澤等27人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(十)委員黃秀芳等21人擬具「職業\n安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、( 十一) 委員翁曉玲等23 人擬具「職業安全衛生法第三十五\n條、第三十九條及第四十九條條文修正草案」案、(十二)委員范雲等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法\n部分條文修正草案」案、 ( 十三) 委員劉建國等17 人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」\n案、(十四)委員吳琪銘等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法第六條條文修正草案」案、(十五)委員沈發\n惠等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(十六)委員王育敏等19人擬具「職業安\n全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(十七)委員王育敏等25人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正\n草案」案、(十八)委員郭國文等17人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(十九)委員\n王鴻薇等19 人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四條條文修正草案」案、 ( 二十) 委員郭昱晴等17 人擬具\n「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(二十一)委員羅廷瑋等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法部\n分條文修正草案」案【綜合詢答】","agenda_id":"1148502_00001"}}}