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00:02:25,867\n部長有沒有承諾四年要超過一百億的美元嘛對但是那有好那本席問的問題就請教他不是政府出資是業者我知道是商人是業者沒有錯這個是自己業者而且是國內需求的但是部長你身為農業部的部長我現在問的問題就是要你把關\n\n8\n00:02:27,148 --> 00:02:42,535\n而且很重要的是這些採購不涉及後續的食品的檢疫檢驗的條件都沒有去談這些事情直接回答我美國牛肉來季的標準0.01ppm會放寬嗎這個不是農業部的權責這是衛務部的權責\n\n9\n00:02:45,436 --> 00:03:05,331\n我只能說我們在採購的部分採購的部分沒有完全沒有去處理沒有說去交換任何的事情部長你也要把關注好不好因為它未來進口的可能就是這些頭骨跟骨髓內臟這些部位這都是我們不希望的\n\n10\n00:03:06,388 --> 00:03:26,337\n不希望進口的所以這部分我們要注意好不好我們在採購的時候都是根據現行的法規去處理的沒有去處理說要採購的人以後要去處理這個我知道都是現行法規部長我一直強調你是農業部的部長我知道把關這個來季的問題也是衛福部要把關這關稅是否能夠降也是我們政府\n\n11\n00:03:26,957 --> 00:03:36,322\n所以我要你把關的是要保障農民的權益而且不應該讓我們農民的權益受損在我們農業產業能夠承擔的經濟風險下你要為農民來發聲一定的我們一定是為農民你會為農民發聲好那我現在就請教因為我們台灣的雞肉是有自給率是將近達到八成沒有\n\n12\n00:03:53,530 --> 00:04:12,272\n打幾成現在美國進來的大概36我說台灣的肌肉3664好就是65%啦但是我們這是我們這十幾幾十年來的一個成果那我們現在看到就是最近我們有一個展覽\n\n13\n00:04:14,194 --> 00:04:32,247\n美國的農業部海外事務次長這個陸克特別有點名到能夠希望我們進美國雞肉那這個美國雞肉如果要進口的話我想請問部長那你的規劃擴大美國的採購會不會雞肉也會有接受採購\n\n14\n00:04:34,477 --> 00:04:56,569\n我只能這樣說因為現在跟台美的關稅談判還在進行中而且很多的品項各別的品項都有它的不確定性所以現在我沒辦法做任何的說明我們都知道部長不要再提醒我還在繼續談判可是20%已經開始在做了當然我們繼續談判就希望能夠降低不要20%現在本席請教你的\n\n15\n00:04:57,009 --> 00:05:24,436\n就是雞肉因為雞肉美國進口進來台灣的關稅是20%那你在擴大採購的時候你會不會把美國進口的雞肉連關稅進口台灣我們針對雞肉沒有在我們所謂的擴大對媒採購而且我剛才說的這不是擴大對媒採購這是例行的採購黃豆玉米小麥跟牛肉這次的這些只針對這四個品項沒有談其他的品項\n\n16\n00:05:25,865 --> 00:05:54,512\n好那就是說這個美國進口的這個雞肉不會降低這個20%的關稅對不對不會零關稅我沒有這樣講我只是說我們的採購好那請你強調跟我們政府去談判的人講不能降低因為我剛剛特別開帳明就告訴你了我們的進口我們自己的雞肉自給率是非常足夠的非常足夠的你不要放在擴大採購跟降低關稅來傷害我們的雞農好不好\n\n17\n00:05:55,297 --> 00:06:20,140\n我想我們國內的雞肉是一個受到我們民眾支持的這些產品所以要保障啊所以我們也一定會去努力的去爭取就請部長一定要發聲好不好跟我們談判辦公室來說明這件事情那接下來本席想請教就是我們豬肉的部分豬肉我們在1997年的時候爆發口蹄疫後來\n\n18\n00:06:22,161 --> 00:06:46,068\n這經過了23年之後在2020年的時候我們就已經有除名了不再是口蹄疫但是在2024年到2025年世界動物衛生組織也讓我們的台灣的這個豬肉非洲豬瘟跟這個傳統豬瘟我們也在疫區裡面除名所以我們都有進口在國外的豬肉尤其是在2023年我們出口到\n\n19\n00:06:46,949 --> 00:07:01,711\n這個菲律賓的豬肉今年又特別又進口到出口到這個新加坡所以我們看到我們農業部是有在努力的那努力的話我希望能夠更穩定保障我們的雞肉的出口\n\n20\n00:07:02,071 --> 00:07:29,213\n但是我們看到2023年的時候我們出口到菲律賓是23.3公噸2024年出口到菲律賓是429.5公噸但是2025年的今年到這9月份只有出口過去513公斤請問農業部你們要如何去協助穩固外銷的機會我跟委員報告就是一個產品在跟\n\n21\n00:07:30,257 --> 00:07:55,695\n跟不同的国家在开始输入的时候触及会有一些不稳定性最重要就是那个通路跟它的商业的节点要建立那这样的话才能够有一个稳定的生产我们会来努力尤其是我们之前都有出口到日本现在日本进口的这个猪肉的话都以美国加拿大跟西班牙为主我们是不是努力协助我们的猪肉出口到日本\n\n22\n00:07:56,226 --> 00:08:17,547\n我想我們會來協助把我們這些優質的這些豬肉能夠繼續在我希望看到成效不是口頭在說而已我們一直在努力做這個國產品行銷主席我再給我30秒的時間最重要就是本市長請教一下在2022年的時候陳吉仲\n\n23\n00:08:18,615 --> 00:08:43,733\n那時候我們還沒升格的主委嘛那時候是農委會主委那時候我特別提到說我們在防範我們的風災很多的農產品受損我們有現金及時的補助還有那個地利的貸款但是我們要保障他們那個穩定所以我們有農業保險在農業保險裡面我們總共有28個項目裡面都很多28個項目但是我們有44\n\n24\n00:08:45,594 --> 00:09:09,867\n這種的保單有一項完全沒有就是茶葉你們說要研議研議了這幾年茶葉還沒有還沒有列入到農業保險裡面去茶葉在我們台灣的產值裡面一年的產值是300億本溪的龍潭地區他們的茶葉茶農都說什麼時候要列入農保\n\n25\n00:09:12,022 --> 00:09:37,870\n中委員報告一個農業保險能夠開辦就是要掌握相關的背景的這些產值的資訊還有氣象對它影響的資訊我知道你們研議了好幾年了這些都有掌握嗎什麼氣象天候產品都有掌握嗎它的產值都有掌握嗎現在跟低溫跟寒害的部分它的影響的溫度跟程度你告訴我你有研議茶葉要不要列入農保嗎不要講這麼多這些你們早就要做準備的\n\n26\n00:09:38,590 --> 00:10:04,621\n我跟委員報告齁一個農保齁你要開放你一定要非常充足的這些資訊才能要保險他不是走行政程序低溫什麼樣的問題作為影響部長三年的時間你這些研議準備考量評估都出來了嗎還沒有我只問你他現在有什麼問題不能列入農保卡在哪裡卡在哪裡低溫跟寒害本身的影響程度還沒辦法確認\n\n27\n00:10:06,192 --> 00:10:29,665\n三年的時間春夏秋冬都過了你還做不出來做這個東西沒有那麼單純三年的時間還不夠你需要多久時間你的期程在哪裡需要再一年的時間前面過了三年現在還要一年一年時間你要做什麼一年時間你要做什麼評估我跟委員報告\n\n28\n00:10:31,567 --> 00:10:51,639\n天氣本身低溫對茶葉的影響溫度到幾度的時候會有影響所以我要說三年的時間春夏秋冬的溫度你們都評估過了還不夠還要一年那一年你要做什麼嘛我們很多事情經過了以後還要做確認因為這樣的話保險以後才不會有爭議\n\n29\n00:10:53,533 --> 00:11:15,312\n所以我們一定要再三的確認這些天氣的影響是被確認的部長是不是把這些比較詳細的跟余玲文報告好我們再跟委員做報告請部長具體的在你這一年要做什麼評估實質的對我們農民保障的評估的規劃會給我本席報告好不好我想我們再給您\n\n30\n00:11:16,905 --> 00:11:22,039\n謝謝一定要出來一年後就要出來了好不好好非常關心我們一定會努力的好謝謝謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n120\t11520\t李玉琳委员咨询谢谢主席 请陈部长请陈部长\n22139\t35448\t早上很多委員都有詢問到美國在4月開始對我們推動了對等關稅我們在進行談判中到現在還在談判雖然他已經宣布了對台灣進口的商品繳稅\n36269\t62301\t要到關稅要到20%我們還是持續在談我們也希望能夠降低這20%最好也不要疊加但是我們看到農業部特別針對於美國可不可以降低台灣對美國的農產品進口能夠跟美方採取更好的優惠的關稅所以你們主動的也簽署了這個\n63081\t70573\t采购的意向书承诺这个四年内你们要超过一百亿美元的采购\n71499\t93634\t在这一方面本席相信我们农业部应该不会折损到我们农民的权益但是我们想问一下部长尤其是美国他很多次的点名说我们台湾对美国的农产品设有技术贸易这个壁垒那现在美国又以这个高关税来禁闭我们\n102039\t128138\t美國牛肉美國牛肉的部分的話我們已經有進口了但是我們有規範說來季不能超過0.01的ppm在這一方面我們有可能會放寬嗎我第一個跟委員報告我們這一次在美國的採購是例行姓名兩年一次的採購而且是由業者他們統計他們的需求量\n128638\t145867\t部長 有沒有承諾四年要超過一百億的美元嘛對 但是那有好 那本席問的問題就請教他不是政府出資是業者 我知道是商人是業者沒有錯 這個是自己業者而且是國內需求的 但是 部長你身為農業部的部長我現在問的問題就是要你把關\n147148\t162535\t而且很重要的是這些採購不涉及後續的食品的檢疫檢驗的條件都沒有去談這些事情直接回答我美國牛肉來季的標準0.01ppm會放寬嗎這個不是農業部的權責這是衛務部的權責\n165436\t185331\t我只能說我們在採購的部分採購的部分沒有完全沒有去處理沒有說去交換任何的事情部長你也要把關注好不好因為它未來進口的可能就是這些頭骨跟骨髓內臟這些部位這都是我們不希望的\n186388\t206337\t不希望進口的所以這部分我們要注意好不好我們在採購的時候都是根據現行的法規去處理的沒有去處理說要採購的人以後要去處理這個我知道都是現行法規部長我一直強調你是農業部的部長我知道把關這個來季的問題也是衛福部要把關這關稅是否能夠降也是我們政府\n206957\t216322\t所以我要你把關的是要保障農民的權益而且不應該讓我們農民的權益受損在我們農業產業能夠承擔的經濟風險下你要為農民來發聲一定的 我們一定是為農民你會為農民發聲好 那我現在就請教因為我們台灣的雞肉是有自給率是將近達到八成沒有\n233530\t252272\t打幾成現在美國進來的大概36我說台灣的肌肉36 64好就是65%啦但是我們這是我們這十幾幾十年來的一個成果那我們現在看到就是最近我們有一個展覽\n254194\t272247\t美國的農業部海外事務次長這個陸克特別有點名到能夠希望我們進美國雞肉那這個美國雞肉如果要進口的話我想請問部長那你的規劃擴大美國的採購會不會雞肉也會有接受採購\n274477\t296569\t我只能這樣說因為現在跟台美的關稅談判還在進行中而且很多的品項各別的品項都有它的不確定性所以現在我沒辦法做任何的說明我們都知道部長不要再提醒我還在繼續談判可是20%已經開始在做了當然我們繼續談判就希望能夠降低不要20%現在本席請教你的\n297009\t324436\t就是雞肉因為雞肉美國進口進來台灣的關稅是20%那你在擴大採購的時候你會不會把美國進口的雞肉連關稅進口台灣我們針對雞肉沒有在我們所謂的擴大對媒採購而且我剛才說的這不是擴大對媒採購這是例行的採購黃豆玉米小麥跟牛肉這次的這些只針對這四個品項沒有談其他的品項\n325865\t354512\t好 那就是說這個美國進口的這個雞肉不會降低這個20%的關稅 對不對不會零關稅我沒有這樣講 我只是說我們的採購好 那請你強調跟我們政府去談判的人講不能降低因為我剛剛特別開帳明就告訴你了我們的進口我們自己的雞肉自給率是非常足夠的非常足夠的你不要放在擴大採購跟降低關稅來傷害我們的雞農好不好\n355297\t380140\t我想我們國內的雞肉是一個受到我們民眾支持的這些產品所以要保障啊所以我們也一定會去努力的去爭取就請部長一定要發聲好不好跟我們談判辦公室來說明這件事情那接下來本席想請教就是我們豬肉的部分豬肉我們在1997年的時候爆發口蹄疫後來\n382161\t406068\t這經過了23年之後在2020年的時候我們就已經有除名了不再是口蹄疫但是在2024年到2025年世界動物衛生組織也讓我們的台灣的這個豬肉非洲豬瘟跟這個傳統豬瘟我們也在疫區裡面除名所以我們都有進口在國外的豬肉尤其是在2023年我們出口到\n406949\t421711\t這個菲律賓的豬肉今年又特別又進口到出口到這個新加坡所以我們看到我們農業部是有在努力的那努力的話我希望能夠更穩定保障我們的雞肉的出口\n422071\t449213\t但是我們看到2023年的時候我們出口到菲律賓是23.3公噸2024年出口到菲律賓是429.5公噸但是2025年的今年到這9月份只有出口過去513公斤請問農業部你們要如何去協助穩固外銷的機會我跟委員報告就是一個產品在跟\n450257\t475695\t跟不同的国家在开始输入的时候触及会有一些不稳定性最重要就是那个通路跟它的商业的节点要建立那这样的话才能够有一个稳定的生产我们会来努力尤其是我们之前都有出口到日本现在日本进口的这个猪肉的话都以美国加拿大跟西班牙为主我们是不是努力协助我们的猪肉出口到日本\n476226\t497547\t我想我們會來協助把我們這些優質的這些豬肉能夠繼續在我希望看到成效不是口頭在說而已我們一直在努力做這個國產品行銷主席我再給我30秒的時間最重要就是本市長請教一下在2022年的時候陳吉仲\n498615\t523733\t那時候我們還沒升格的主委嘛那時候是農委會主委那時候我特別提到說我們在防範我們的風災很多的農產品受損我們有現金及時的補助還有那個地利的貸款但是我們要保障他們那個穩定所以我們有農業保險在農業保險裡面我們總共有28個項目裡面都很多28個項目但是我們有44\n525594\t549867\t這種的保單有一項完全沒有就是茶葉你們說要研議研議了這幾年 茶葉還沒有還沒有列入到農業保險裡面去茶葉在我們台灣的產值裡面一年的產值是300億本溪的龍潭地區他們的茶葉茶農都說什麼時候要列入農保\n552022\t577870\t中委員報告 一個農業保險能夠開辦就是要掌握相關的背景的這些產值的資訊還有氣象對它影響的資訊我知道 你們研議了好幾年了這些都有掌握嗎什麼氣象天候產品都有掌握嗎它的產值都有掌握嗎現在跟低溫跟寒害的部分它的影響的溫度跟程度你告訴我你有研議茶葉要不要列入農保嗎不要講這麼多這些你們早就要做準備的\n578590\t604621\t我跟委員報告齁 一個農保齁 你要開放你一定要非常充足的這些資訊才能要保險 他不是走行政程序低溫 什麼樣的問題作為影響部長 三年的時間你這些研議 準備 考量 評估 都出來了嗎還沒有我只問你 他現在有什麼問題不能列入農保 卡在哪裡 卡在哪裡低溫跟寒害本身的影響程度還沒辦法確認\n606192\t629665\t三年的時間春夏秋冬都過了 你還做不出來做這個東西沒有那麼單純三年的時間還不夠你需要多久時間 你的期程在哪裡需要再一年的時間前面過了三年 現在還要一年一年時間你要做什麼一年時間你要做什麼評估我跟委員報告\n631567\t651639\t天氣本身低溫對茶葉的影響溫度到幾度的時候會有影響所以我要說三年的時間春夏秋冬的溫度你們都評估過了還不夠還要一年那一年你要做什麼嘛我們很多事情經過了以後還要做確認因為這樣的話保險以後才不會有爭議\n653533\t675312\t所以我們一定要再三的確認這些天氣的影響是被確認的部長 是不是把這些比較詳細的跟余玲文報告好 我們再跟委員做報告請部長具體的在你這一年要做什麼評估實質的對我們農民保障的評估的規劃會給我本席報告好不好我想我們再給您\n676905\t682039\t謝謝一定要出來一年後就要出來了好不好好非常關心我們一定會努力的好謝謝謝謝\n","txt":"李玉琳委员咨询谢谢主席 请陈部长请陈部长\n早上很多委員都有詢問到美國在4月開始對我們推動了對等關稅我們在進行談判中到現在還在談判雖然他已經宣布了對台灣進口的商品繳稅\n要到關稅要到20%我們還是持續在談我們也希望能夠降低這20%最好也不要疊加但是我們看到農業部特別針對於美國可不可以降低台灣對美國的農產品進口能夠跟美方採取更好的優惠的關稅所以你們主動的也簽署了這個\n采购的意向书承诺这个四年内你们要超过一百亿美元的采购\n在这一方面本席相信我们农业部应该不会折损到我们农民的权益但是我们想问一下部长尤其是美国他很多次的点名说我们台湾对美国的农产品设有技术贸易这个壁垒那现在美国又以这个高关税来禁闭我们\n美國牛肉美國牛肉的部分的話我們已經有進口了但是我們有規範說來季不能超過0.01的ppm在這一方面我們有可能會放寬嗎我第一個跟委員報告我們這一次在美國的採購是例行姓名兩年一次的採購而且是由業者他們統計他們的需求量\n部長 有沒有承諾四年要超過一百億的美元嘛對 但是那有好 那本席問的問題就請教他不是政府出資是業者 我知道是商人是業者沒有錯 這個是自己業者而且是國內需求的 但是 部長你身為農業部的部長我現在問的問題就是要你把關\n而且很重要的是這些採購不涉及後續的食品的檢疫檢驗的條件都沒有去談這些事情直接回答我美國牛肉來季的標準0.01ppm會放寬嗎這個不是農業部的權責這是衛務部的權責\n我只能說我們在採購的部分採購的部分沒有完全沒有去處理沒有說去交換任何的事情部長你也要把關注好不好因為它未來進口的可能就是這些頭骨跟骨髓內臟這些部位這都是我們不希望的\n不希望進口的所以這部分我們要注意好不好我們在採購的時候都是根據現行的法規去處理的沒有去處理說要採購的人以後要去處理這個我知道都是現行法規部長我一直強調你是農業部的部長我知道把關這個來季的問題也是衛福部要把關這關稅是否能夠降也是我們政府\n所以我要你把關的是要保障農民的權益而且不應該讓我們農民的權益受損在我們農業產業能夠承擔的經濟風險下你要為農民來發聲一定的 我們一定是為農民你會為農民發聲好 那我現在就請教因為我們台灣的雞肉是有自給率是將近達到八成沒有\n打幾成現在美國進來的大概36我說台灣的肌肉36 64好就是65%啦但是我們這是我們這十幾幾十年來的一個成果那我們現在看到就是最近我們有一個展覽\n美國的農業部海外事務次長這個陸克特別有點名到能夠希望我們進美國雞肉那這個美國雞肉如果要進口的話我想請問部長那你的規劃擴大美國的採購會不會雞肉也會有接受採購\n我只能這樣說因為現在跟台美的關稅談判還在進行中而且很多的品項各別的品項都有它的不確定性所以現在我沒辦法做任何的說明我們都知道部長不要再提醒我還在繼續談判可是20%已經開始在做了當然我們繼續談判就希望能夠降低不要20%現在本席請教你的\n就是雞肉因為雞肉美國進口進來台灣的關稅是20%那你在擴大採購的時候你會不會把美國進口的雞肉連關稅進口台灣我們針對雞肉沒有在我們所謂的擴大對媒採購而且我剛才說的這不是擴大對媒採購這是例行的採購黃豆玉米小麥跟牛肉這次的這些只針對這四個品項沒有談其他的品項\n好 那就是說這個美國進口的這個雞肉不會降低這個20%的關稅 對不對不會零關稅我沒有這樣講 我只是說我們的採購好 那請你強調跟我們政府去談判的人講不能降低因為我剛剛特別開帳明就告訴你了我們的進口我們自己的雞肉自給率是非常足夠的非常足夠的你不要放在擴大採購跟降低關稅來傷害我們的雞農好不好\n我想我們國內的雞肉是一個受到我們民眾支持的這些產品所以要保障啊所以我們也一定會去努力的去爭取就請部長一定要發聲好不好跟我們談判辦公室來說明這件事情那接下來本席想請教就是我們豬肉的部分豬肉我們在1997年的時候爆發口蹄疫後來\n這經過了23年之後在2020年的時候我們就已經有除名了不再是口蹄疫但是在2024年到2025年世界動物衛生組織也讓我們的台灣的這個豬肉非洲豬瘟跟這個傳統豬瘟我們也在疫區裡面除名所以我們都有進口在國外的豬肉尤其是在2023年我們出口到\n這個菲律賓的豬肉今年又特別又進口到出口到這個新加坡所以我們看到我們農業部是有在努力的那努力的話我希望能夠更穩定保障我們的雞肉的出口\n但是我們看到2023年的時候我們出口到菲律賓是23.3公噸2024年出口到菲律賓是429.5公噸但是2025年的今年到這9月份只有出口過去513公斤請問農業部你們要如何去協助穩固外銷的機會我跟委員報告就是一個產品在跟\n跟不同的国家在开始输入的时候触及会有一些不稳定性最重要就是那个通路跟它的商业的节点要建立那这样的话才能够有一个稳定的生产我们会来努力尤其是我们之前都有出口到日本现在日本进口的这个猪肉的话都以美国加拿大跟西班牙为主我们是不是努力协助我们的猪肉出口到日本\n我想我們會來協助把我們這些優質的這些豬肉能夠繼續在我希望看到成效不是口頭在說而已我們一直在努力做這個國產品行銷主席我再給我30秒的時間最重要就是本市長請教一下在2022年的時候陳吉仲\n那時候我們還沒升格的主委嘛那時候是農委會主委那時候我特別提到說我們在防範我們的風災很多的農產品受損我們有現金及時的補助還有那個地利的貸款但是我們要保障他們那個穩定所以我們有農業保險在農業保險裡面我們總共有28個項目裡面都很多28個項目但是我們有44\n這種的保單有一項完全沒有就是茶葉你們說要研議研議了這幾年 茶葉還沒有還沒有列入到農業保險裡面去茶葉在我們台灣的產值裡面一年的產值是300億本溪的龍潭地區他們的茶葉茶農都說什麼時候要列入農保\n中委員報告 一個農業保險能夠開辦就是要掌握相關的背景的這些產值的資訊還有氣象對它影響的資訊我知道 你們研議了好幾年了這些都有掌握嗎什麼氣象天候產品都有掌握嗎它的產值都有掌握嗎現在跟低溫跟寒害的部分它的影響的溫度跟程度你告訴我你有研議茶葉要不要列入農保嗎不要講這麼多這些你們早就要做準備的\n我跟委員報告齁 一個農保齁 你要開放你一定要非常充足的這些資訊才能要保險 他不是走行政程序低溫 什麼樣的問題作為影響部長 三年的時間你這些研議 準備 考量 評估 都出來了嗎還沒有我只問你 他現在有什麼問題不能列入農保 卡在哪裡 卡在哪裡低溫跟寒害本身的影響程度還沒辦法確認\n三年的時間春夏秋冬都過了 你還做不出來做這個東西沒有那麼單純三年的時間還不夠你需要多久時間 你的期程在哪裡需要再一年的時間前面過了三年 現在還要一年一年時間你要做什麼一年時間你要做什麼評估我跟委員報告\n天氣本身低溫對茶葉的影響溫度到幾度的時候會有影響所以我要說三年的時間春夏秋冬的溫度你們都評估過了還不夠還要一年那一年你要做什麼嘛我們很多事情經過了以後還要做確認因為這樣的話保險以後才不會有爭議\n所以我們一定要再三的確認這些天氣的影響是被確認的部長 是不是把這些比較詳細的跟余玲文報告好 我們再跟委員做報告請部長具體的在你這一年要做什麼評估實質的對我們農民保障的評估的規劃會給我本席報告好不好我想我們再給您\n謝謝一定要出來一年後就要出來了好不好好非常關心我們一定會努力的好謝謝謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.120 --> 00:11.520\n李玉琳委员咨询谢谢主席请陈部长请陈部长\n\n00:22.139 --> 00:35.448\n早上很多委員都有詢問到美國在4月開始對我們推動了對等關稅我們在進行談判中到現在還在談判雖然他已經宣布了對台灣進口的商品繳稅\n\n00:36.269 --> 01:02.301\n要到關稅要到20%我們還是持續在談我們也希望能夠降低這20%最好也不要疊加但是我們看到農業部特別針對於美國可不可以降低台灣對美國的農產品進口能夠跟美方採取更好的優惠的關稅所以你們主動的也簽署了這個\n\n01:03.081 --> 01:10.573\n采购的意向书承诺这个四年内你们要超过一百亿美元的采购\n\n01:11.499 --> 01:33.634\n在这一方面本席相信我们农业部应该不会折损到我们农民的权益但是我们想问一下部长尤其是美国他很多次的点名说我们台湾对美国的农产品设有技术贸易这个壁垒那现在美国又以这个高关税来禁闭我们\n\n01:42.039 --> 02:08.138\n美國牛肉美國牛肉的部分的話我們已經有進口了但是我們有規範說來季不能超過0.01的ppm在這一方面我們有可能會放寬嗎我第一個跟委員報告我們這一次在美國的採購是例行姓名兩年一次的採購而且是由業者他們統計他們的需求量\n\n02:08.638 --> 02:25.867\n部長有沒有承諾四年要超過一百億的美元嘛對但是那有好那本席問的問題就請教他不是政府出資是業者我知道是商人是業者沒有錯這個是自己業者而且是國內需求的但是部長你身為農業部的部長我現在問的問題就是要你把關\n\n02:27.148 --> 02:42.535\n而且很重要的是這些採購不涉及後續的食品的檢疫檢驗的條件都沒有去談這些事情直接回答我美國牛肉來季的標準0.01ppm會放寬嗎這個不是農業部的權責這是衛務部的權責\n\n02:45.436 --> 03:05.331\n我只能說我們在採購的部分採購的部分沒有完全沒有去處理沒有說去交換任何的事情部長你也要把關注好不好因為它未來進口的可能就是這些頭骨跟骨髓內臟這些部位這都是我們不希望的\n\n03:06.388 --> 03:26.337\n不希望進口的所以這部分我們要注意好不好我們在採購的時候都是根據現行的法規去處理的沒有去處理說要採購的人以後要去處理這個我知道都是現行法規部長我一直強調你是農業部的部長我知道把關這個來季的問題也是衛福部要把關這關稅是否能夠降也是我們政府\n\n03:26.957 --> 03:36.322\n所以我要你把關的是要保障農民的權益而且不應該讓我們農民的權益受損在我們農業產業能夠承擔的經濟風險下你要為農民來發聲一定的我們一定是為農民你會為農民發聲好那我現在就請教因為我們台灣的雞肉是有自給率是將近達到八成沒有\n\n03:53.530 --> 04:12.272\n打幾成現在美國進來的大概36我說台灣的肌肉3664好就是65%啦但是我們這是我們這十幾幾十年來的一個成果那我們現在看到就是最近我們有一個展覽\n\n04:14.194 --> 04:32.247\n美國的農業部海外事務次長這個陸克特別有點名到能夠希望我們進美國雞肉那這個美國雞肉如果要進口的話我想請問部長那你的規劃擴大美國的採購會不會雞肉也會有接受採購\n\n04:34.477 --> 04:56.569\n我只能這樣說因為現在跟台美的關稅談判還在進行中而且很多的品項各別的品項都有它的不確定性所以現在我沒辦法做任何的說明我們都知道部長不要再提醒我還在繼續談判可是20%已經開始在做了當然我們繼續談判就希望能夠降低不要20%現在本席請教你的\n\n04:57.009 --> 05:24.436\n就是雞肉因為雞肉美國進口進來台灣的關稅是20%那你在擴大採購的時候你會不會把美國進口的雞肉連關稅進口台灣我們針對雞肉沒有在我們所謂的擴大對媒採購而且我剛才說的這不是擴大對媒採購這是例行的採購黃豆玉米小麥跟牛肉這次的這些只針對這四個品項沒有談其他的品項\n\n05:25.865 --> 05:54.512\n好那就是說這個美國進口的這個雞肉不會降低這個20%的關稅對不對不會零關稅我沒有這樣講我只是說我們的採購好那請你強調跟我們政府去談判的人講不能降低因為我剛剛特別開帳明就告訴你了我們的進口我們自己的雞肉自給率是非常足夠的非常足夠的你不要放在擴大採購跟降低關稅來傷害我們的雞農好不好\n\n05:55.297 --> 06:20.140\n我想我們國內的雞肉是一個受到我們民眾支持的這些產品所以要保障啊所以我們也一定會去努力的去爭取就請部長一定要發聲好不好跟我們談判辦公室來說明這件事情那接下來本席想請教就是我們豬肉的部分豬肉我們在1997年的時候爆發口蹄疫後來\n\n06:22.161 --> 06:46.068\n這經過了23年之後在2020年的時候我們就已經有除名了不再是口蹄疫但是在2024年到2025年世界動物衛生組織也讓我們的台灣的這個豬肉非洲豬瘟跟這個傳統豬瘟我們也在疫區裡面除名所以我們都有進口在國外的豬肉尤其是在2023年我們出口到\n\n06:46.949 --> 07:01.711\n這個菲律賓的豬肉今年又特別又進口到出口到這個新加坡所以我們看到我們農業部是有在努力的那努力的話我希望能夠更穩定保障我們的雞肉的出口\n\n07:02.071 --> 07:29.213\n但是我們看到2023年的時候我們出口到菲律賓是23.3公噸2024年出口到菲律賓是429.5公噸但是2025年的今年到這9月份只有出口過去513公斤請問農業部你們要如何去協助穩固外銷的機會我跟委員報告就是一個產品在跟\n\n07:30.257 --> 07:55.695\n跟不同的国家在开始输入的时候触及会有一些不稳定性最重要就是那个通路跟它的商业的节点要建立那这样的话才能够有一个稳定的生产我们会来努力尤其是我们之前都有出口到日本现在日本进口的这个猪肉的话都以美国加拿大跟西班牙为主我们是不是努力协助我们的猪肉出口到日本\n\n07:56.226 --> 08:17.547\n我想我們會來協助把我們這些優質的這些豬肉能夠繼續在我希望看到成效不是口頭在說而已我們一直在努力做這個國產品行銷主席我再給我30秒的時間最重要就是本市長請教一下在2022年的時候陳吉仲\n\n08:18.615 --> 08:43.733\n那時候我們還沒升格的主委嘛那時候是農委會主委那時候我特別提到說我們在防範我們的風災很多的農產品受損我們有現金及時的補助還有那個地利的貸款但是我們要保障他們那個穩定所以我們有農業保險在農業保險裡面我們總共有28個項目裡面都很多28個項目但是我們有44\n\n08:45.594 --> 09:09.867\n這種的保單有一項完全沒有就是茶葉你們說要研議研議了這幾年茶葉還沒有還沒有列入到農業保險裡面去茶葉在我們台灣的產值裡面一年的產值是300億本溪的龍潭地區他們的茶葉茶農都說什麼時候要列入農保\n\n09:12.022 --> 09:37.870\n中委員報告一個農業保險能夠開辦就是要掌握相關的背景的這些產值的資訊還有氣象對它影響的資訊我知道你們研議了好幾年了這些都有掌握嗎什麼氣象天候產品都有掌握嗎它的產值都有掌握嗎現在跟低溫跟寒害的部分它的影響的溫度跟程度你告訴我你有研議茶葉要不要列入農保嗎不要講這麼多這些你們早就要做準備的\n\n09:38.590 --> 10:04.621\n我跟委員報告齁一個農保齁你要開放你一定要非常充足的這些資訊才能要保險他不是走行政程序低溫什麼樣的問題作為影響部長三年的時間你這些研議準備考量評估都出來了嗎還沒有我只問你他現在有什麼問題不能列入農保卡在哪裡卡在哪裡低溫跟寒害本身的影響程度還沒辦法確認\n\n10:06.192 --> 10:29.665\n三年的時間春夏秋冬都過了你還做不出來做這個東西沒有那麼單純三年的時間還不夠你需要多久時間你的期程在哪裡需要再一年的時間前面過了三年現在還要一年一年時間你要做什麼一年時間你要做什麼評估我跟委員報告\n\n10:31.567 --> 10:51.639\n天氣本身低溫對茶葉的影響溫度到幾度的時候會有影響所以我要說三年的時間春夏秋冬的溫度你們都評估過了還不夠還要一年那一年你要做什麼嘛我們很多事情經過了以後還要做確認因為這樣的話保險以後才不會有爭議\n\n10:53.533 --> 11:15.312\n所以我們一定要再三的確認這些天氣的影響是被確認的部長是不是把這些比較詳細的跟余玲文報告好我們再跟委員做報告請部長具體的在你這一年要做什麼評估實質的對我們農民保障的評估的規劃會給我本席報告好不好我想我們再給您\n\n11:16.905 --> 11:22.039\n謝謝一定要出來一年後就要出來了好不好好非常關心我們一定會努力的好謝謝謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.12,"end":11.52,"text":"李玉琳委员咨询谢谢主席 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