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00:02:19,206\n對於所謂的違法繁殖跟棄養者我們現行的法規對他們的處罰是不是真的過輕而且我們是不是應該要提高這個法則或建立禁止再飼養的制度尤其是對於繁殖業者更要嚴加來做這樣子的一個進行那我想第三點就是我一直不斷的在跟我們的動保司司長也一直在討論的就是我們要怎麼樣來盤點我們可用的\n\n7\n00:02:21,588 --> 00:02:44,382\n資源跟土地我們來建立所謂的生命教育的園區現在目前有沒有進度那進度到哪裡那我們接著下來應該要怎麼做三個問題請教好謝謝那個第一個問題就是有關於現在目前的這收容所本身的這些容量各地的容量的資訊然後提供一個預警的一個機制那這個部分我們大概每個月都有公佈都有公佈但是我覺得公佈\n\n8\n00:02:46,045 --> 00:03:04,321\n公布是一件事情後續怎麼辦呢後續因為收容所我們現在正在協調有沒有辦法收容所本身之間可以互相支援這樣的話才能夠有更大的收容的效率因為現在的周轉率並不高所以如果說還有地方的認養率也很低對\n\n9\n00:03:05,442 --> 00:03:25,071\n所以大家對於所謂的生命教育的這個傳統就是我要品種狗我要漂亮的土的或者是混種的米克斯我不要黑的更不要其實這個是教育的觀念這又是另外一個不同的議題所以我才會說針對收容的部分是不是可以彼此縣市之間有一個資源系統這樣預警才有意義然後第二個就是說\n\n10\n00:03:26,151 --> 00:03:53,598\n那可以實施嗎可以實施嗎就是後續的這個部分這個牽涉到後續本身縣市政府的認同度啦這個需要溝通但是我們先先講說兩個縣市如果願意的話就先來辦不是全部啦然後第二個部分就是有關於有關於這個已經棄養的話你不能再再飼養這個我們會把它納入相關的相關的已經納到相關的那個法條裡面去就是黑名單的建立對\n\n11\n00:03:55,278 --> 00:04:16,229\n嚴格要執行這個就是如果納入修法的時候但是這個也要有一個就是要落實晶片登記要用登記不然你也不知道企業因為強化事主責任這其實在我們的動保法修法其實這也是重中之重那我們希望在這個會期其實能夠趕快提出一些版本然後再來您提到第三個就是聲音教育的這些園區的規劃\n\n12\n00:04:18,010 --> 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跟凍飽相關我想這個第一線在地方的這個收容所收容的量能不足這已經不是一天兩天的事是好幾年的事情了這個大概從十幾年前我在關心凍飽的問題一直存在到現在我想這個收容的量能其實不能只靠下游的收容我所謂的下游收容就是回歸到地方政府的這個凍飽處\n但是呢我們源頭上的管理其實是更加重要其實我們不想要讓看到這個農業部每兩年每一年每兩年就出來要重申說要打擊非法繁殖這樣子的一個決心喔只是喊一喊然後過了之後其實這個問題還依舊存在喔那我想呢現在各縣市的這個收容所普遍喔這個除了是滿載還超載許多的志工其實都會跟我反應因為我認識很多收容所的志工喔他們都有反應喔這狗狗送不進去\n那之後可能就是用TNVR但是TNVR又衍生到很多其他的一些問題我們現在針對所謂的源頭繁殖的源頭沒有管制其實棄養的成本也太低這個問題其實是根本以來一直存在也沒有辦法一天解決的一些事情\n那我想我相信農業部對於全台灣各地收容所的實際的收容量跟使用量我相信你們應該有盤整也有掌握但是有沒有所謂的預警的機制就是當我知道某一個收容所他們可能已經要超載了那這個預警的機制我們有沒有做後續要怎麼樣來處理這是第一個問題第二個問題\n對於所謂的違法繁殖跟棄養者我們現行的法規對他們的處罰是不是真的過輕而且我們是不是應該要提高這個法則或建立禁止再飼養的制度尤其是對於繁殖業者更要嚴加來做這樣子的一個進行那我想第三點就是我一直不斷的在跟我們的動保司司長也一直在討論的就是我們要怎麼樣來盤點我們可用的\n資源跟土地我們來建立所謂的生命教育的園區現在目前有沒有進度那進度到哪裡那我們接著下來應該要怎麼做三個問題請教好謝謝那個第一個問題就是有關於現在目前的這收容所本身的這些容量各地的容量的資訊然後提供一個預警的一個機制那這個部分我們大概每個月都有公佈都有公佈但是我覺得公佈\n公布是一件事情後續怎麼辦呢後續因為收容所我們現在正在協調有沒有辦法收容所本身之間可以互相支援這樣的話才能夠有更大的收容的效率因為現在的周轉率並不高所以如果說還有地方的認養率也很低對\n所以大家對於所謂的生命教育的這個傳統就是我要品種狗我要漂亮的土的或者是混種的米克斯我不要黑的更不要其實這個是教育的觀念這又是另外一個不同的議題所以我才會說針對收容的部分是不是可以彼此縣市之間有一個資源系統這樣預警才有意義然後第二個就是說\n那可以實施嗎可以實施嗎就是後續的這個部分這個牽涉到後續本身縣市政府的認同度啦這個需要溝通但是我們先先講說兩個縣市如果願意的話就先來辦不是全部啦然後第二個部分就是有關於有關於這個已經棄養的話你不能再再飼養這個我們會把它納入相關的相關的已經納到相關的那個法條裡面去就是黑名單的建立對\n嚴格要執行這個就是如果納入修法的時候但是這個也要有一個就是要落實晶片登記要用登記不然你也不知道企業因為強化事主責任這其實在我們的動保法修法其實這也是重中之重那我們希望在這個會期其實能夠趕快提出一些版本然後再來您提到第三個就是聲音教育的這些園區的規劃\n那這個園區的規劃我們現在就是說有一個法規你可以設置但是我可能更重視的是收容的地方因為收容現在縣市政府沒有量而且是林壁設施所以我也盤點了很多國有地的部分可能被誤解說我們要用保安林地或是什麼去危害生態事實上我們用的是一個不會破農牧用地不會破壞\n不是在生態熱區裡頭的啦不是生態熱區裡面的這個部分那我們會持續的用這樣的方式我之所以今天會問這一題就是要農業部其實真的出來好好的說明讓大家把這個部分的疑慮真的去除掉對 所以這個部分我們會加強說明這樣的話才有機會增加你的收容量\n好然後第二個問題再給我一點點的時間我想現在其實這個寵物展是越來越頻繁的在舉辦過去可能一年頂多一次到兩次而且以貓犬犬貓居多但是現在我們發現這個寵物展一進去所有的攤位幾乎都是所謂的爬蟲類但我們在非犬貓的另外的這個\n寵物的這個管轄的範圍其實非貓犬的這些爬蟲類也好兩棲類也好目前還有奇特的小型哺乳類等等目前是沒有法規沒有法源依據可以來做管理的這個部分我們請農業部這邊也好好的回去研議可以嗎\n可以 我也跟委員報告這次我們公告了有641種禁止飼養的這些東西準備要預告的部分很多都是爬蟲類的那我們也知道應該禮拜五嘛就有人號稱說核口2有沒有\n那個不是 那個是很可怕的對啊 但是它覺得它可以飼養所以它要來抗議那個可以到6公尺內那個一旦被棄養放在河裡面去那就變成一個大災難所以我為什麼要特別點出這題因為是現在有很多人其實都在養爬蟲類\n但是如果我們政府沒有重視這個繁殖的源頭跟多元寵物的生態的風險這有可能會成為今天下一波生態災難的前奏所以關於非貓犬的寵物的管理的辦法請盡快趕快出來可以嗎謝謝委員的支持謝謝郭玉琴委員的質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.684 --> 00:08.686\n好謝謝主席呃有請部長問請部長喂好\n\n00:17.435 --> 00:42.941\n好部長看到我站在這裡就應該知道我要問什麼了對不對好跟凍飽相關我想這個第一線在地方的這個收容所收容的量能不足這已經不是一天兩天的事是好幾年的事情了這個大概從十幾年前我在關心凍飽的問題一直存在到現在我想這個收容的量能其實不能只靠下游的收容我所謂的下游收容就是回歸到地方政府的這個凍飽處\n\n00:44.621 --> 01:13.701\n但是呢我們源頭上的管理其實是更加重要其實我們不想要讓看到這個農業部每兩年每一年每兩年就出來要重申說要打擊非法繁殖這樣子的一個決心喔只是喊一喊然後過了之後其實這個問題還依舊存在喔那我想呢現在各縣市的這個收容所普遍喔這個除了是滿載還超載許多的志工其實都會跟我反應因為我認識很多收容所的志工喔他們都有反應喔這狗狗送不進去\n\n01:14.561 --> 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