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00:01:55,063\n那在政府機構的資安人才呢事實上在政府機構你常常可以接觸到一些那種民間機構看不到的那個資安的問題所以在政府機構待過幾年的這個資安人才那民間產又非常喜歡因為這個是他們覺得說是非常具有經驗等於是我們在代訓\n\n6\n00:01:56,003 --> 00:02:21,971\n所以等於是也可以這麼講所以要怎麼留住人才所以第一個我們就是說我們在人才方面我們一個三個方向來做第一個我們還是想辦法提高我們政府的這個資安專業人才的薪資這是第一部分第二部分我們是要做那個攬財我們還是希望說找到好的人才所以我們現在在應該是2023年我們在高考我們已經增加了資安高考\n\n7\n00:02:24,019 --> 00:02:45,795\n就增加了資安的類科增加了高考的一個項目然後再來是育才所以育才就是我們希望現有的公務人員他能去接受一些資安的訓練然後轉職成為資安的人員因為這樣子他的薪水也會提高然後當然我們希望說他薪水提高以後還是太快就離開我們政府部門但是從另外一方面來講\n\n8\n00:02:46,856 --> 00:03:02,365\n就是我們也認為說台灣有一個健康的資安產業然後如果說這個人才流到民間的產業的話這個對台灣整體來講也不見得是一個壞現象所以我們另外一個很重要的政策我們希望利用民間資安產業的力量來守護台灣政府\n\n9\n00:03:02,965 --> 00:03:26,768\n還有關鍵基礎設施還有民間產業的資安這個資安的維護如果說單單靠政府的話我們政府現在那個編制應該是將近一千五百人但是我們的缺額有兩百人左右我們現在就實際上大概就一千三百人那這個人數一千五百人一千三百人都是絕對不夠的所以我們是希望能利用民間的資安產業的力量來幫他共同守護台灣的資安\n\n10\n00:03:27,168 --> 00:03:51,550\nOK好謝謝部長再來我們看一下剛剛部長有提到就是說有關於這個我們正中央就是政府部門的一些資安這個人才的我想看一下我們113年這個資安專職人力的禁用的這個類型我們可以看到在我們這個公部門裡面公務人員有跟資訊處理直系有關係的這些大概只佔了44%\n\n11\n00:03:53,331 --> 00:04:16,489\n這是其實這個因為他是治安專職人力喔所以這個比例其實是不高的所以部長剛剛有提到就是說我們可能未來可能會跟民間來做這個合作嘛然後我們再來看這個審計部113年總決算這個審核報告裡面你看這個治安專職人員未取得治安專業證照或職能訓練證照的這個情況你看這麼重要的法務部\n\n12\n00:04:17,009 --> 00:04:37,911\n未取得資安專業證照的有15人未取得職能訓練證照的7人未取得這兩個證照都未取得的有13人加起來有35人再來就是衛福部再來就是教育部然後當然剛剛部長有提到說我們要從內部裡面先去做訓練看這種狀況的話像這個的話我們要如何去協助各個部會呢\n\n13\n00:04:38,451 --> 00:04:53,393\n到底發生了什麼狀況有像法務部衛福部教育部有這麼多人會取得這個相關的這個這個證照我們說我們說法部這邊有提供相關的協助的一些計畫還是怎麼樣的一個一個協助的相關的措施嗎\n\n14\n00:04:54,492 --> 00:05:20,712\n是謝謝委員剛剛說明一下其實目前就委員所講的的確在政府機關的這個資安專制人員大概有35位左右沒有取得這個資安的專業證照那我們去查像法務部是比較多的一個人數15位那因為我們也去了解法務部的情況那他最主要是因為法務部他的首屬這個監守啦還有一些相關的這些機構很多那人才不太夠所以這部分我們也在請法務部這邊一起來協助他們\n\n15\n00:05:21,292 --> 00:05:47,890\n那訓練部分我們有一個轉職訓練裡面我們要補助補助來參加這個相關的資安的這個職能訓練的部分我想我們都有在進行這部分的相關的協助以上對我覺得這部分真的是要做加強我看到這個數據我也剛開始還覺得很不可思議像法務部這麼重要的一個不會居然這個會取得證到的人數居然是這麼的這麼的多而且呢像整個公部門像公務人員他跟相關科系的這個所謂的\n\n16\n00:05:49,191 --> 00:06:07,848\n資安專職人員居然只有44%我想這真的是要從內部先加強我是這麼覺得是雙管齊下這個部分的話是請那個書發部真的是要協助各部會來處理這個相關徵兆的問題還有專業人才的這個培育OK謝謝委員的督促OK好以上謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3355\t31367\t謝謝主席有請林部長部長請委員你好部長好部長我今天剛剛有看了一下你的報告你有提到說書發部很積極在推動培育AI產業人才然後也協助我的資安產業的研發相關的產品跟計畫可是我們知道資訊人才其實不等於資安人才\n31867\t48505\t所以據我們所知台灣雖然每一年大約有1.7萬名的資訊相關科系的畢業生可是真正投入到資安產業的其實只有2000人左右那現在不單單是公部門很積極的需要資安人才\n49005\t75256\t民間企業的這個資安人才的需求其實還是也是不斷的這個成長尤其我們看到這個醫療產業有60%的這個這個需求所以我想我想請問部長我們速發部作為這個負責資通安全管理的這個組織單位我們也要然後我們也依據這個資通安全管理法要求中央跟地方各機關必須要有配置資安專職的這個人員我想請問部長\n76676\t96313\t民間企業也需要資安人員我們公部門也需要那我們要如何跟民間來搶這個人才我們有什麼誘因想請問部長這個的確是一個很挑戰性的問題因為我們知道民間資安產業的薪資通常都是要高過於政府機構\n97374\t115063\t那在政府機構的資安人才呢事實上在政府機構你常常可以接觸到一些那種民間機構看不到的那個資安的問題所以在政府機構待過幾年的這個資安人才那民間產又非常喜歡因為這個是他們覺得說是非常具有經驗等於是我們在代訓\n116003\t141971\t所以等於是也可以這麼講所以要怎麼留住人才所以第一個我們就是說我們在人才方面我們一個三個方向來做第一個我們還是想辦法提高我們政府的這個資安專業人才的薪資這是第一部分第二部分我們是要做那個攬財我們還是希望說找到好的人才所以我們現在在應該是2023年我們在高考我們已經增加了資安高考\n144019\t165795\t就增加了資安的類科增加了高考的一個項目然後再來是育才所以育才就是我們希望現有的公務人員他能去接受一些資安的訓練然後轉職成為資安的人員因為這樣子他的薪水也會提高然後當然我們希望說他薪水提高以後還是太快就離開我們政府部門但是從另外一方面來講\n166856\t182365\t就是我們也認為說台灣有一個健康的資安產業然後如果說這個人才流到民間的產業的話這個對台灣整體來講也不見得是一個壞現象所以我們另外一個很重要的政策我們希望利用民間資安產業的力量來守護台灣政府\n182965\t206768\t還有關鍵基礎設施還有民間產業的資安這個資安的維護如果說單單靠政府的話我們政府現在那個編制應該是將近一千五百人但是我們的缺額有兩百人左右我們現在就實際上大概就一千三百人那這個人數一千五百人一千三百人都是絕對不夠的所以我們是希望能利用民間的資安產業的力量來幫他共同守護台灣的資安\n207168\t231550\tOK好謝謝部長再來我們看一下剛剛部長有提到就是說有關於這個我們正中央就是政府部門的一些資安這個人才的我想看一下我們113年這個資安專職人力的禁用的這個類型我們可以看到在我們這個公部門裡面公務人員有跟資訊處理直系有關係的這些大概只佔了44%\n233331\t256489\t這是其實這個因為他是治安專職人力喔所以這個比例其實是不高的所以部長剛剛有提到就是說我們可能未來可能會跟民間來做這個合作嘛然後我們再來看這個審計部113年總決算這個審核報告裡面你看這個治安專職人員未取得治安專業證照或職能訓練證照的這個情況你看這麼重要的法務部\n257009\t277911\t未取得資安專業證照的有15人未取得職能訓練證照的7人未取得這兩個證照都未取得的有13人加起來有35人再來就是衛福部再來就是教育部然後當然剛剛部長有提到說我們要從內部裡面先去做訓練看這種狀況的話像這個的話我們要如何去協助各個部會呢\n278451\t293393\t到底發生了什麼狀況有像法務部衛福部教育部有這麼多人會取得這個相關的這個這個證照我們說我們說法部這邊有提供相關的協助的一些計畫還是怎麼樣的一個一個協助的相關的措施嗎\n294492\t320712\t是 謝謝委員 剛剛說明一下其實目前就委員所講的的確在政府機關的這個資安專制人員大概有35位左右沒有取得這個資安的專業證照那我們去查像法務部是比較多的一個人數15位 那因為我們也去了解法務部的情況那他最主要是因為法務部他的首屬這個監守啦還有一些相關的這些機構很多 那人才不太夠所以這部分我們也在請法務部這邊一起來協助他們\n321292\t347890\t那訓練部分我們有一個轉職訓練裡面我們要補助補助來參加這個相關的資安的這個職能訓練的部分我想我們都有在進行這部分的相關的協助以上對我覺得這部分真的是要做加強我看到這個數據我也剛開始還覺得很不可思議像法務部這麼重要的一個不會居然這個會取得證到的人數居然是這麼的這麼的多而且呢像整個公部門像公務人員他跟相關科系的這個所謂的\n349191\t367848\t資安專職人員居然只有44%我想這真的是要從內部先加強我是這麼覺得是雙管齊下這個部分的話是請那個書發部真的是要協助各部會來處理這個相關徵兆的問題還有專業人才的這個培育OK謝謝委員的督促OK好以上謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席有請林部長部長請委員你好部長好部長我今天剛剛有看了一下你的報告你有提到說書發部很積極在推動培育AI產業人才然後也協助我的資安產業的研發相關的產品跟計畫可是我們知道資訊人才其實不等於資安人才\n所以據我們所知台灣雖然每一年大約有1.7萬名的資訊相關科系的畢業生可是真正投入到資安產業的其實只有2000人左右那現在不單單是公部門很積極的需要資安人才\n民間企業的這個資安人才的需求其實還是也是不斷的這個成長尤其我們看到這個醫療產業有60%的這個這個需求所以我想我想請問部長我們速發部作為這個負責資通安全管理的這個組織單位我們也要然後我們也依據這個資通安全管理法要求中央跟地方各機關必須要有配置資安專職的這個人員我想請問部長\n民間企業也需要資安人員我們公部門也需要那我們要如何跟民間來搶這個人才我們有什麼誘因想請問部長這個的確是一個很挑戰性的問題因為我們知道民間資安產業的薪資通常都是要高過於政府機構\n那在政府機構的資安人才呢事實上在政府機構你常常可以接觸到一些那種民間機構看不到的那個資安的問題所以在政府機構待過幾年的這個資安人才那民間產又非常喜歡因為這個是他們覺得說是非常具有經驗等於是我們在代訓\n所以等於是也可以這麼講所以要怎麼留住人才所以第一個我們就是說我們在人才方面我們一個三個方向來做第一個我們還是想辦法提高我們政府的這個資安專業人才的薪資這是第一部分第二部分我們是要做那個攬財我們還是希望說找到好的人才所以我們現在在應該是2023年我們在高考我們已經增加了資安高考\n就增加了資安的類科增加了高考的一個項目然後再來是育才所以育才就是我們希望現有的公務人員他能去接受一些資安的訓練然後轉職成為資安的人員因為這樣子他的薪水也會提高然後當然我們希望說他薪水提高以後還是太快就離開我們政府部門但是從另外一方面來講\n就是我們也認為說台灣有一個健康的資安產業然後如果說這個人才流到民間的產業的話這個對台灣整體來講也不見得是一個壞現象所以我們另外一個很重要的政策我們希望利用民間資安產業的力量來守護台灣政府\n還有關鍵基礎設施還有民間產業的資安這個資安的維護如果說單單靠政府的話我們政府現在那個編制應該是將近一千五百人但是我們的缺額有兩百人左右我們現在就實際上大概就一千三百人那這個人數一千五百人一千三百人都是絕對不夠的所以我們是希望能利用民間的資安產業的力量來幫他共同守護台灣的資安\nOK好謝謝部長再來我們看一下剛剛部長有提到就是說有關於這個我們正中央就是政府部門的一些資安這個人才的我想看一下我們113年這個資安專職人力的禁用的這個類型我們可以看到在我們這個公部門裡面公務人員有跟資訊處理直系有關係的這些大概只佔了44%\n這是其實這個因為他是治安專職人力喔所以這個比例其實是不高的所以部長剛剛有提到就是說我們可能未來可能會跟民間來做這個合作嘛然後我們再來看這個審計部113年總決算這個審核報告裡面你看這個治安專職人員未取得治安專業證照或職能訓練證照的這個情況你看這麼重要的法務部\n未取得資安專業證照的有15人未取得職能訓練證照的7人未取得這兩個證照都未取得的有13人加起來有35人再來就是衛福部再來就是教育部然後當然剛剛部長有提到說我們要從內部裡面先去做訓練看這種狀況的話像這個的話我們要如何去協助各個部會呢\n到底發生了什麼狀況有像法務部衛福部教育部有這麼多人會取得這個相關的這個這個證照我們說我們說法部這邊有提供相關的協助的一些計畫還是怎麼樣的一個一個協助的相關的措施嗎\n是 謝謝委員 剛剛說明一下其實目前就委員所講的的確在政府機關的這個資安專制人員大概有35位左右沒有取得這個資安的專業證照那我們去查像法務部是比較多的一個人數15位 那因為我們也去了解法務部的情況那他最主要是因為法務部他的首屬這個監守啦還有一些相關的這些機構很多 那人才不太夠所以這部分我們也在請法務部這邊一起來協助他們\n那訓練部分我們有一個轉職訓練裡面我們要補助補助來參加這個相關的資安的這個職能訓練的部分我想我們都有在進行這部分的相關的協助以上對我覺得這部分真的是要做加強我看到這個數據我也剛開始還覺得很不可思議像法務部這麼重要的一個不會居然這個會取得證到的人數居然是這麼的這麼的多而且呢像整個公部門像公務人員他跟相關科系的這個所謂的\n資安專職人員居然只有44%我想這真的是要從內部先加強我是這麼覺得是雙管齊下這個部分的話是請那個書發部真的是要協助各部會來處理這個相關徵兆的問題還有專業人才的這個培育OK謝謝委員的督促OK好以上謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.355 --> 00:31.367\n謝謝主席有請林部長部長請委員你好部長好部長我今天剛剛有看了一下你的報告你有提到說書發部很積極在推動培育AI產業人才然後也協助我的資安產業的研發相關的產品跟計畫可是我們知道資訊人才其實不等於資安人才\n\n00:31.867 --> 00:48.505\n所以據我們所知台灣雖然每一年大約有1.7萬名的資訊相關科系的畢業生可是真正投入到資安產業的其實只有2000人左右那現在不單單是公部門很積極的需要資安人才\n\n00:49.005 --> 01:15.256\n民間企業的這個資安人才的需求其實還是也是不斷的這個成長尤其我們看到這個醫療產業有60%的這個這個需求所以我想我想請問部長我們速發部作為這個負責資通安全管理的這個組織單位我們也要然後我們也依據這個資通安全管理法要求中央跟地方各機關必須要有配置資安專職的這個人員我想請問部長\n\n01:16.676 --> 01:36.313\n民間企業也需要資安人員我們公部門也需要那我們要如何跟民間來搶這個人才我們有什麼誘因想請問部長這個的確是一個很挑戰性的問題因為我們知道民間資安產業的薪資通常都是要高過於政府機構\n\n01:37.374 --> 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