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00:03:11,344\n那至於說剛才有提到的像如何在這樣子的一個平台尤其是政府機關管理的平台能夠在治安的部分能夠更為落實那像現在即將要在10月11月來做這個普發預案那速發部裡面也有相關的平台來協助這個發放措施那我想這個整個發放的這個是否完全無漏洞那在這個治安的掌控上是否能夠做足百分之百\n\n9\n00:03:12,057 --> 00:03:37,212\nOK在普發現金這件事情上面書發部有兩項的職責第一項當然是說我們要協助財政部順利把資訊系統都做好能順利把錢發出去另外一個職責很重要的職責就是要防止詐騙因為現在詐騙集團知道我們台灣有普發現金的計畫以後已經蠢蠢欲動所以第一個我們要跟所有的民眾要講說\n\n10\n00:03:38,833 --> 00:03:55,945\n到時候普發現金的這個事情只有會有一個官方網站就是財政部的普發一萬現金的官方網站你如果民眾要做任何的諮詢或者是填資料或者申請只有在那個網站上才算其他我們不會有第二個網站\n\n11\n00:03:56,565 --> 00:04:25,667\n那现在这个网站也还没正式上线所以现在如果有民众在网路上看到说它是普发现金的网站那一定是假的所以这个事情我们要请全国的民众要注意那另外我们也做一些预防措施我们先去把一些做一些巡检就是说所有可能那个就是那个网址非常相近跟我们的未来普发现金网站相近的这个网站我们都事先去扫描去监管甚至于就把它封堵住避免这个\n\n12\n00:04:26,587 --> 00:04:43,902\n詐騙集團有任何的機會有任何的機會當然我們知道詐騙集團一定是很聰明到時候一定會出一些怪招來搞我們但是我們持續的警惕想辦法用最短的時間處理掉好那謝謝部長那看起來抒發部部長這邊早已經做好萬全準備\n\n13\n00:04:44,662 --> 00:05:01,085\n那同樣的因為不管是詐騙還有包括這相關的資安平台的一個風險管控那其實重責當然在訴法部身上那也希望說剛才藉這個機會宣導之外那同時也能夠到時候在資安方面以及反詐騙方面能夠務必落實\n\n14\n00:05:01,986 --> 00:05:19,897\n那再回到地方的議題那在南投現在之前還其實包括風災還就有許多通訊斷訊的一個問題那其實那時候速發部也有協助改善那我們在看到這個我們不管是數位發展程度分類那相關的從\n\n15\n00:05:21,118 --> 00:05:47,581\n蒙洞區起步區潛力區到成熟區那其實從在112年跟100年到112年的部分其實南投一直都沒有辦法能夠到這個成熟區的部分但是像新竹縣的新豐鄉甚至苗栗的竹南鎮他們都有辦法達到了這個所謂成熟區那甚至在潛力區的部分也只有南投四大鄉鎮南投草屯埔里但是竹山都還在起步區啊\n\n16\n00:05:48,001 --> 00:05:54,542\n那其實在這個如何能夠來提升竹山在數位發展的程度\n\n17\n00:05:55,728 --> 00:06:17,023\nOK事實上我是小時候在竹山長大然後那個老家在路谷那個南投路谷我非常能感受到這個偏鄉對於那個資訊還有那個網路通訊的需求事實上在對偏鄉的人來講這個網路的通不通比在對城市的人來講更重要因為很多的事情必須靠那個資訊來聯絡\n\n18\n00:06:18,804 --> 00:06:37,691\n但是在偏鄉因為我們設立基地台對於這些電信公司來講他們事實上是賺不到錢的甚至會賠錢所以我們速發部用兩種方式來補助電信業者就是在偏鄉設立基地台第一個我們就直接補助請他們去設立了另外一個我們就是讓\n\n19\n00:06:39,071 --> 00:06:59,462\n這個三大主要是這個三大電信公司中華遠傳跟台歌大他們就共同組一個基金然後就由他們的那個賺的錢裡面那個撥出一部分來然後就是由哪一個其中哪一家那個電信公司他比如說到南投的竹山他去設立這個基地台的時候就由這個基金的錢來支付\n\n20\n00:07:01,964 --> 00:07:28,895\n因為部長時間有限那我就直接希望把這個偏鄉5局在固定寬頻建設中那在南投縣基地台或者的一個補助的數量跟經費那再提供給本席辦公室那同樣的在114年度強化偏鄉地區行動寬頻網路數位韌性及金融基礎實施建置計畫預算2.25億的這個部分南投縣在這個部分能夠被納入跟以及再執行的經費也再提供給本席辦公室\n\n21\n00:07:29,315 --> 00:07:49,109\n沒有問題那也希望說因為像目前來講在鹿谷甚至也還在一個蒙洞區的一個階段是那竹山還在起步區那這兩個地方其實也都是偏鄉那也跟部長都非常熟悉那也希望說在下一次的一個數位發展程度的一個一個評估中的話他們能夠有所躍進是\n\n22\n00:07:50,550 --> 00:08:08,886\nOK謝謝那最後的話就是針對假訊息委員會那時候行政院特別指示那在過去去年的7月11月12月其實都已經有提到那目前要成立假訊息委員會那會跟NGO來做一個合作那我想問一下目前的進度如何\n\n23\n00:08:09,518 --> 00:08:28,001\n是這個部分我們現在是由資安院有一個計畫事實上是希望擴大NGO的能量因為我們認為說訊息的真假不能由政府來判斷因為這是自由民主國家裡面一個政府的分際就是說不應該由政府來判斷那我們希望\n\n24\n00:08:28,482 --> 00:08:43,192\n由NGO來做但是NGO它本身的財力有限它的處理能量有限所以我們希望用別的方式盡量來讓NGO它有包含幫和募資等等希望能多利用NGO的力量來打機甲訊息\n\n25\n00:08:44,013 --> 00:09:06,083\n好那最後的話就是因為行政院在去年的時候是有提到今年假興旗委員會就要上路那但目前來講的進度其實在立法院那時候原本提說需要做一個專案報告包括期程還包括範圍以及NGO以及他主要負責的權責嘛那我在想這個部分還可以的話也提供目前的進度給本席辦公室那後面再持續糾結是好謝謝謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n11006\t12368\t謝謝召會 那有請部長林部長請\n19884\t42935\t委員你好 部長好竹山仁 竹山之光 還接著部長還希望能夠責任重大還來帶領著這個速發部還在我們國內的整個數位提升及AI還都能夠持續推動相信許多的這個政策延續的部分跟之前黃部長相信都能夠有很好的一個延續\n43815\t67397\t他也希望能夠在 尤其像南投縣 竹山鎮我們算是偏鄉地方他也能夠讓偏鄉 你也感受到地方的需求他也能夠來協助偏鄉能夠持續提升這個數位的落差能夠帶動地方的進步他也是跟部長您做期許跟勉勵也跟代替鄉親跟您拜託一下謝謝 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在普發現金這件事情上面書發部有兩項的職責第一項當然是說我們要協助財政部順利把資訊系統都做好能順利把錢發出去另外一個職責很重要的職責就是要防止詐騙因為現在詐騙集團知道我們台灣有普發現金的計畫以後已經蠢蠢欲動所以第一個我們要跟所有的民眾要講說\n218833\t235945\t到時候普發現金的這個事情只有會有一個官方網站就是財政部的普發一萬現金的官方網站你如果民眾要做任何的諮詢或者是填資料或者申請只有在那個網站上才算其他我們不會有第二個網站\n236565\t265667\t那现在这个网站也还没正式上线所以现在如果有民众在网路上看到说它是普发现金的网站那一定是假的所以这个事情我们要请全国的民众要注意那另外我们也做一些预防措施我们先去把一些做一些巡检就是说所有可能那个就是那个网址非常相近跟我们的未来普发现金网站相近的这个网站我们都事先去扫描去监管甚至于就把它封堵住避免这个\n266587\t283902\t詐騙集團有任何的機會有任何的機會當然我們知道詐騙集團一定是很聰明到時候一定會出一些怪招來搞我們但是我們持續的警惕想辦法用最短的時間處理掉好那謝謝部長那看起來抒發部部長這邊早已經做好萬全準備\n284662\t301085\t那同樣的因為不管是詐騙還有包括這相關的資安平台的一個風險管控那其實重責當然在訴法部身上那也希望說剛才藉這個機會宣導之外那同時也能夠到時候在資安方面以及反詐騙方面能夠務必落實\n301986\t319897\t那再回到地方的議題那在南投現在之前還其實包括風災還就有許多通訊斷訊的一個問題那其實那時候速發部也有協助改善那我們在看到這個我們不管是數位發展程度分類那相關的從\n321118\t347581\t蒙洞區 起步區 潛力區到成熟區那其實從在112年跟100年到112年的部分其實南投一直都沒有辦法能夠到這個成熟區的部分但是像新竹縣的新豐鄉甚至苗栗的竹南鎮他們都有辦法達到了這個所謂成熟區那甚至在潛力區的部分也只有南投四大鄉鎮南投草屯埔里但是竹山都還在起步區啊\n348001\t354542\t那其實在這個如何能夠來提升竹山在數位發展的程度\n355728\t377023\tOK 事實上我是小時候在竹山長大然後那個老家在路谷那個南投路谷我非常能感受到這個偏鄉對於那個資訊還有那個網路通訊的需求事實上在對偏鄉的人來講這個網路的通不通比在對城市的人來講更重要因為很多的事情必須靠那個資訊來聯絡\n378804\t397691\t但是在偏鄉因為我們設立基地台對於這些電信公司來講他們事實上是賺不到錢的甚至會賠錢所以我們速發部用兩種方式來補助電信業者就是在偏鄉設立基地台第一個我們就直接補助請他們去設立了另外一個我們就是讓\n399071\t419462\t這個三大 主要是這個三大電信公司中華 遠傳跟台歌大他們就共同組一個基金然後就由他們的那個賺的錢裡面那個撥出一部分來然後就是由哪一個其中哪一家那個電信公司他比如說到南投的竹山他去設立這個基地台的時候就由這個基金的錢來支付\n421964\t448895\t因為部長時間有限那我就直接希望把這個偏鄉5局在固定寬頻建設中那在南投縣基地台或者的一個補助的數量跟經費那再提供給本席辦公室那同樣的在114年度強化偏鄉地區行動寬頻網路數位韌性及金融基礎實施建置計畫預算2.25億的這個部分南投縣在這個部分能夠被納入跟以及再執行的經費也再提供給本席辦公室\n449315\t469109\t沒有問題那也希望說因為像目前來講在鹿谷甚至也還在一個蒙洞區的一個階段是那竹山還在起步區那這兩個地方其實也都是偏鄉那也跟部長都非常熟悉那也希望說在下一次的一個數位發展程度的一個一個評估中的話他們能夠有所躍進是\n470550\t488886\tOK 謝謝那最後的話就是針對假訊息委員會那時候行政院特別指示那在過去去年的7月 11月 12月其實都已經有提到那目前要成立假訊息委員會那會跟NGO來做一個合作那我想問一下目前的進度如何\n489518\t508001\t是 這個部分我們現在是由資安院有一個計畫事實上是希望擴大NGO的能量因為我們認為說訊息的真假不能由政府來判斷因為這是自由民主國家裡面一個政府的分際就是說不應該由政府來判斷那我們希望\n508482\t523192\t由NGO來做但是NGO它本身的財力有限它的處理能量有限所以我們希望用別的方式盡量來讓NGO它有包含幫和募資等等希望能多利用NGO的力量來打機甲訊息\n524013\t546083\t好那最後的話就是因為行政院在去年的時候是有提到今年假興旗委員會就要上路那但目前來講的進度其實在立法院那時候原本提說需要做一個專案報告包括期程還包括範圍以及NGO以及他主要負責的權責嘛那我在想這個部分還可以的話也提供目前的進度給本席辦公室那後面再持續糾結是好謝謝謝謝委員\n","txt":"謝謝召會 那有請部長林部長請\n委員你好 部長好竹山仁 竹山之光 還接著部長還希望能夠責任重大還來帶領著這個速發部還在我們國內的整個數位提升及AI還都能夠持續推動相信許多的這個政策延續的部分跟之前黃部長相信都能夠有很好的一個延續\n他也希望能夠在 尤其像南投縣 竹山鎮我們算是偏鄉地方他也能夠讓偏鄉 你也感受到地方的需求他也能夠來協助偏鄉能夠持續提升這個數位的落差能夠帶動地方的進步他也是跟部長您做期許跟勉勵也跟代替鄉親跟您拜託一下謝謝 謝謝委員\n剛才延續的邱委員的一個質詢那當然說在所謂的數位或是資安的防護啊包括這防護盾這個沒有最好只有更好那我們也看到就是今天的話許多委員都有提到央廣的部分那我們同樣也看到在政府機關的許多的一個新聞報導\n那在之前也都有看到也有在機關內部使用這個盜版軟體的部分那同時都可能就是一個資安破口那我想就教一下部長像目前在整個行政體系來講像使用這個盜版軟體的這種情況如何那以及目前速發部的這個輔導跟改善方案是如何\nok 當然我們在政府單位裡面是絕對不能使用盜版軟體的那所以我們這邊如果速發部接到任何通報的話我們一定會馬上處理那只是說我們現在有接到多少通報是不是請那個那個資安署署長跟我們報告盜版軟體一定是違法的所以我想不管是政府機關還是民間目前應該都不太會使用盜版的這個軟體這是目前所了解的部分\n那其實在網路上爬文新聞其實都有相關的例子啦那這有時候的話是不一定是完全說盜版那可能未授權或者是包括甚至共用共享之後那其實同時也產生了許多的資安漏洞那包括在後面的話其實也有一些國防相關系統的也有用到盜版軟體會有這種資安漏洞那後面再來持續救教\n那至於說剛才有提到的像如何在這樣子的一個平台尤其是政府機關管理的平台能夠在治安的部分能夠更為落實那像現在即將要在10月11月來做這個普發預案那速發部裡面也有相關的平台來協助這個發放措施那我想這個整個發放的這個是否完全無漏洞那在這個治安的掌控上是否能夠做足百分之百\nOK 在普發現金這件事情上面書發部有兩項的職責第一項當然是說我們要協助財政部順利把資訊系統都做好能順利把錢發出去另外一個職責很重要的職責就是要防止詐騙因為現在詐騙集團知道我們台灣有普發現金的計畫以後已經蠢蠢欲動所以第一個我們要跟所有的民眾要講說\n到時候普發現金的這個事情只有會有一個官方網站就是財政部的普發一萬現金的官方網站你如果民眾要做任何的諮詢或者是填資料或者申請只有在那個網站上才算其他我們不會有第二個網站\n那现在这个网站也还没正式上线所以现在如果有民众在网路上看到说它是普发现金的网站那一定是假的所以这个事情我们要请全国的民众要注意那另外我们也做一些预防措施我们先去把一些做一些巡检就是说所有可能那个就是那个网址非常相近跟我们的未来普发现金网站相近的这个网站我们都事先去扫描去监管甚至于就把它封堵住避免这个\n詐騙集團有任何的機會有任何的機會當然我們知道詐騙集團一定是很聰明到時候一定會出一些怪招來搞我們但是我們持續的警惕想辦法用最短的時間處理掉好那謝謝部長那看起來抒發部部長這邊早已經做好萬全準備\n那同樣的因為不管是詐騙還有包括這相關的資安平台的一個風險管控那其實重責當然在訴法部身上那也希望說剛才藉這個機會宣導之外那同時也能夠到時候在資安方面以及反詐騙方面能夠務必落實\n那再回到地方的議題那在南投現在之前還其實包括風災還就有許多通訊斷訊的一個問題那其實那時候速發部也有協助改善那我們在看到這個我們不管是數位發展程度分類那相關的從\n蒙洞區 起步區 潛力區到成熟區那其實從在112年跟100年到112年的部分其實南投一直都沒有辦法能夠到這個成熟區的部分但是像新竹縣的新豐鄉甚至苗栗的竹南鎮他們都有辦法達到了這個所謂成熟區那甚至在潛力區的部分也只有南投四大鄉鎮南投草屯埔里但是竹山都還在起步區啊\n那其實在這個如何能夠來提升竹山在數位發展的程度\nOK 事實上我是小時候在竹山長大然後那個老家在路谷那個南投路谷我非常能感受到這個偏鄉對於那個資訊還有那個網路通訊的需求事實上在對偏鄉的人來講這個網路的通不通比在對城市的人來講更重要因為很多的事情必須靠那個資訊來聯絡\n但是在偏鄉因為我們設立基地台對於這些電信公司來講他們事實上是賺不到錢的甚至會賠錢所以我們速發部用兩種方式來補助電信業者就是在偏鄉設立基地台第一個我們就直接補助請他們去設立了另外一個我們就是讓\n這個三大 主要是這個三大電信公司中華 遠傳跟台歌大他們就共同組一個基金然後就由他們的那個賺的錢裡面那個撥出一部分來然後就是由哪一個其中哪一家那個電信公司他比如說到南投的竹山他去設立這個基地台的時候就由這個基金的錢來支付\n因為部長時間有限那我就直接希望把這個偏鄉5局在固定寬頻建設中那在南投縣基地台或者的一個補助的數量跟經費那再提供給本席辦公室那同樣的在114年度強化偏鄉地區行動寬頻網路數位韌性及金融基礎實施建置計畫預算2.25億的這個部分南投縣在這個部分能夠被納入跟以及再執行的經費也再提供給本席辦公室\n沒有問題那也希望說因為像目前來講在鹿谷甚至也還在一個蒙洞區的一個階段是那竹山還在起步區那這兩個地方其實也都是偏鄉那也跟部長都非常熟悉那也希望說在下一次的一個數位發展程度的一個一個評估中的話他們能夠有所躍進是\nOK 謝謝那最後的話就是針對假訊息委員會那時候行政院特別指示那在過去去年的7月 11月 12月其實都已經有提到那目前要成立假訊息委員會那會跟NGO來做一個合作那我想問一下目前的進度如何\n是 這個部分我們現在是由資安院有一個計畫事實上是希望擴大NGO的能量因為我們認為說訊息的真假不能由政府來判斷因為這是自由民主國家裡面一個政府的分際就是說不應該由政府來判斷那我們希望\n由NGO來做但是NGO它本身的財力有限它的處理能量有限所以我們希望用別的方式盡量來讓NGO它有包含幫和募資等等希望能多利用NGO的力量來打機甲訊息\n好那最後的話就是因為行政院在去年的時候是有提到今年假興旗委員會就要上路那但目前來講的進度其實在立法院那時候原本提說需要做一個專案報告包括期程還包括範圍以及NGO以及他主要負責的權責嘛那我在想這個部分還可以的話也提供目前的進度給本席辦公室那後面再持續糾結是好謝謝謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.006 --> 00:12.368\n謝謝召會那有請部長林部長請\n\n00:19.884 --> 00:42.935\n委員你好部長好竹山仁竹山之光還接著部長還希望能夠責任重大還來帶領著這個速發部還在我們國內的整個數位提升及AI還都能夠持續推動相信許多的這個政策延續的部分跟之前黃部長相信都能夠有很好的一個延續\n\n00:43.815 --> 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潛力區到成熟區那其實從在112年跟100年到112年的部分其實南投一直都沒有辦法能夠到這個成熟區的部分但是像新竹縣的新豐鄉甚至苗栗的竹南鎮他們都有辦法達到了這個所謂成熟區那甚至在潛力區的部分也只有南投四大鄉鎮南投草屯埔里但是竹山都還在起步區啊"},{"start":348.001,"end":354.542,"text":"那其實在這個如何能夠來提升竹山在數位發展的程度"},{"start":355.728,"end":377.023,"text":"OK 事實上我是小時候在竹山長大然後那個老家在路谷那個南投路谷我非常能感受到這個偏鄉對於那個資訊還有那個網路通訊的需求事實上在對偏鄉的人來講這個網路的通不通比在對城市的人來講更重要因為很多的事情必須靠那個資訊來聯絡"},{"start":378.804,"end":397.691,"text":"但是在偏鄉因為我們設立基地台對於這些電信公司來講他們事實上是賺不到錢的甚至會賠錢所以我們速發部用兩種方式來補助電信業者就是在偏鄉設立基地台第一個我們就直接補助請他們去設立了另外一個我們就是讓"},{"start":399.071,"end":419.462,"text":"這個三大 主要是這個三大電信公司中華 遠傳跟台歌大他們就共同組一個基金然後就由他們的那個賺的錢裡面那個撥出一部分來然後就是由哪一個其中哪一家那個電信公司他比如說到南投的竹山他去設立這個基地台的時候就由這個基金的錢來支付"},{"start":421.964,"end":448.895,"text":"因為部長時間有限那我就直接希望把這個偏鄉5局在固定寬頻建設中那在南投縣基地台或者的一個補助的數量跟經費那再提供給本席辦公室那同樣的在114年度強化偏鄉地區行動寬頻網路數位韌性及金融基礎實施建置計畫預算2.25億的這個部分南投縣在這個部分能夠被納入跟以及再執行的經費也再提供給本席辦公室"},{"start":449.315,"end":469.109,"text":"沒有問題那也希望說因為像目前來講在鹿谷甚至也還在一個蒙洞區的一個階段是那竹山還在起步區那這兩個地方其實也都是偏鄉那也跟部長都非常熟悉那也希望說在下一次的一個數位發展程度的一個一個評估中的話他們能夠有所躍進是"},{"start":470.55,"end":488.886,"text":"OK 謝謝那最後的話就是針對假訊息委員會那時候行政院特別指示那在過去去年的7月 11月 12月其實都已經有提到那目前要成立假訊息委員會那會跟NGO來做一個合作那我想問一下目前的進度如何"},{"start":489.518,"end":508.001,"text":"是 這個部分我們現在是由資安院有一個計畫事實上是希望擴大NGO的能量因為我們認為說訊息的真假不能由政府來判斷因為這是自由民主國家裡面一個政府的分際就是說不應該由政府來判斷那我們希望"},{"start":508.482,"end":523.192,"text":"由NGO來做但是NGO它本身的財力有限它的處理能量有限所以我們希望用別的方式盡量來讓NGO它有包含幫和募資等等希望能多利用NGO的力量來打機甲訊息"},{"start":524.013,"end":546.083,"text":"好那最後的話就是因為行政院在去年的時候是有提到今年假興旗委員會就要上路那但目前來講的進度其實在立法院那時候原本提說需要做一個專案報告包括期程還包括範圍以及NGO以及他主要負責的權責嘛那我在想這個部分還可以的話也提供目前的進度給本席辦公室那後面再持續糾結是好謝謝謝謝委員"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":1132,"blocks":[["游委員顥：（12時55分）謝謝召委，有請部長。"],["主席：林部長請。"],["林部長宜敬：游委員你好。"],["游委員顥：部長好。竹山人，竹山之光，還希望部長能更夠責任重大，帶領著數發部在我們國內整個數位提升及AI都能夠持續推動，相信許多政策延續的部分，跟之前黃部長一樣，相信都能夠有很好的一個延續。"],["林部長宜敬：是。"],["游委員顥：尤其像南投縣竹山鎮算是偏鄉地方，希望能夠讓偏鄉也感受到地方的需求，也協助偏鄉能夠持續提升數位的落差，能夠帶動地方的進步，也是跟部長您做期許跟勉勵，也代替鄉親跟您拜託一下。"],["林部長宜敬：好，謝謝委員。"],["游委員顥：延續剛才邱委員的質詢，當然在所謂的數位或是資安的防護，包括防護盾，沒有最好，只有更好，我們也看到今天許多委員都有提到央廣的部分，同樣也看到在政府機關許多的新聞報導，之前也都有看到在機關內部使用盜版軟體的部分，同時都可能是資安破口。我想就教一下部長，目前在整個行政體系來講，像使用盜版軟體的這種情況，目前數發部的輔導跟改善方案是如何？"],["林部長宜敬：當然我們在政府單位裡面是絕對不能使用盜版軟體的，所以如果數發部接到任何通報的話，我們一定會馬上處理，只是說現在有接到多少通報，是不是請資安署署長跟委員報告？"],["游委員顥：請回答。"],["蔡署長福隆：跟委員報告，盜版軟體一定是違法的，所以不管是政府機關還是民間，目前應該都不太會使用盜版的軟體，這是目前所了解的部分。"],["游委員顥：好，其實在網路上爬文，新聞都有相關的例子，這有時候不一定完全是盜版，可能未授權或者是包括甚至共用共享之後，其實同時也產生了許多的資安漏洞，包括其實有一些國防相關系統也有用到盜版軟體，會有這種資安漏洞，後面再來持續就教。","至於剛才有提到的，如何在這樣子的平臺尤其是政府機關管理的平臺，能夠在資安的部分更為落實？像現在即將要在10月、11月來做普發一萬，數發部裡面也有相關的平臺來協助發放措施，整個發放是否完全無漏洞，資安的掌控上是否能夠做足百分之百？"],["林部長宜敬：在普發現金這件事情上面，數發部有兩項的職責，第一項，當然是我們要協助財政部順利把資訊系統都做好，能夠順利把錢發出去。另外一個很重要的職責就是要防止詐騙，因為現在詐騙集團知道我們臺灣有普發現金的計畫以後，已經蠢蠢欲動，所以第一個我們要跟所有的民眾說，到時候普發現金的這個事情之後會有一個官方網站，就是財政部普發一萬現金的官方網站，如果民眾要做任何的諮詢、填資料或者申請，只有在那個網站上才算，我們不會有其他第二個網站，現在這個網站也還沒正式上線，所以現在如果有民眾在網路上看到說它是普發現金的網站，那一定是假的，所以這個事情我們要請全國的民眾注意。另外，我們也做一些預防措施，我們先去做一些巡檢，就是所有可能網址非常相近或跟我們未來普發現金相近的網站，我們都事先去掃描、監管，甚至於就把它封堵住，避免詐騙集團有任何機會，當然我們知道詐騙集團一定很聰明，到時候一定會出一些怪招來搞我們，但是我們會持續警惕，想辦法用最短的時間處理掉。"],["游委員顥：謝謝部長，看起來數發部部長這邊早已經做好萬全準備，同樣的，因為不管是詐騙，還有包括相關資安平台的風險管控，其實重責大任在數發部身上，也希望剛才藉這個機會宣導之外，同時到時候在資安方面以及反詐騙方面，也能夠務必落實。","再來回到地方的議題，南投縣之前包括風災，就有許多通訊斷訊的問題，其實那時候數發部也有協助改善。不管是數位發展程度分類，從萌動區、起步區、潛力區到成熟區，在109年到112年，南投一直都沒有辦法能夠到成熟區，但是像新竹縣的新豐鄉，甚至苗栗的竹南鎮，他們都有辦法達到所謂的成熟區，甚至在潛力區的部分，也只有南投四大鄉鎮──南投、草屯、埔里，但是竹山都還在起步區，如何能夠提升竹山在數位發展的程度？"],["林部長宜敬：事實上，我小時候在竹山長大，老家在南投鹿谷，我非常能感受到偏鄉對於資訊還有網路通訊的需求。事實上對偏鄉的人來講，網路通不通比對在城市的人來講更重要，因為很多的事情必須靠資訊來聯絡。但是在偏鄉，因為設立基地臺對於這些電信公司來講，他們事實上是賺不到錢，甚至會賠錢，所以數發部用兩種方式來補助電信業者在偏鄉設立基地臺，第一個，我們就直接補助請他們去設立；另外一個，我們讓主要是三大電信公司，中華、遠傳跟台哥大他們共同組一個基金，由他們賺的錢裡面撥出一部分來，其中哪一家電信公司譬如到南投竹山去設立基地臺的時候，就由這個基金的錢來支付。"],["游委員顥：沒關係，部長，因為時間有限，希望把偏鄉5G與固定寬頻建設中，南投縣基地臺獲得補助的數量及經費再提供給本席辦公室。"],["林部長宜敬：是。"],["游委員顥：同樣的，在114年度強化偏鄉地區行動寬頻網路數位韌性與近用基礎設施建置計畫預算2.25億的部分，南投縣在這個部分能夠被納入及執行經費也提供給本席辦公室。"],["林部長宜敬：沒有問題。"],["游委員顥：因為像目前來講，鹿谷甚至也還在萌動區的階段，竹山還在起步區，這兩個地方其實也都是偏鄉，部長也都非常熟悉，也希望在下一次數位發展程度的評估中，他們能夠有所躍進。"],["林部長宜敬：是，當然。"],["游委員顥：OK，謝謝。最後針對假訊息委員會，行政院也特別指示了，去年的7月、11月、12月其實都已經有提到目前要成立假訊息委員會，會與NGO合作，我想問一下目前的進度如何？"],["林部長宜敬：這個部分我們現在是資安院有一個計畫，事實上是希望擴大NGO的能量，因為我們認為訊息的真假不能由政府來判斷，因為這是自由民主國家裡面一個政府的分際，就是說不應該由政府來判斷，我們希望由NGO來做，但是NGO本身的財力有限、處理能量有限，所以我們希望用別的方式儘量來讓NGO，包含幫他們募資等等，希望能多利用NGO的力量來打擊假訊息。"],["游委員顥：好，最後，因為行政院在去年的時候有提到今年假訊息委員會就要上路，但是目前來講的進度，其實在立法院那時候原本提說需要做一個專案報告，包括期程、範圍，以及NGO主要負責的權責，我在想這個部分可以的話也提供目前的進度給本席辦公室。"],["林部長宜敬：OK。"],["游委員顥：後面再持續就教。"],["林部長宜敬：是，好。"],["游委員顥：謝謝。"],["林部長宜敬：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝來自南投的游顥委員，來自南投的林部長，還有也是南投人的召委，好，感謝。","再請賴惠員委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":310,"meet_id":"委員會-11-4-23-3","speakers":["洪孟楷","蔡其昌","許智傑","陳素月","徐富癸","魯明哲","何欣純","林俊憲","葛如鈞","李昆澤","廖先翔","陳雪生","邱若華","賴士葆","郭國文","羅美玲","黃健豪","楊瓊瓔","邱志偉","游顥","賴惠員","陳冠廷","林國成"],"page_start":239,"meetingDate":["2025-10-15"],"gazette_id":"1148401","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1148401_00006"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請數位發展部部長林宜敬列席報告業務概況，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1148401_00005"}}}