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{\"word\": \"部\", \"start\": 579.575, \"end\": 580.117, \"score\": 0.925}, {\"word\": \"長\"}, {\"word\": \"請\"}, {\"word\": \"回\", \"start\": 580.117, \"end\": 580.357, \"score\": 0.999}, {\"word\": \"座\", \"start\": 580.357, \"end\": 580.377, \"score\": 0.589}], \"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:05,208\n委員請質詢主席謝謝麻煩請部長有請部長\n\n2\n00:00:14,795 --> 00:00:44,050\n好部長辛苦了委員好不會被冷卻應該我先追蹤一下剛剛委員有關心的這個教師身心調試假因為一方面上路之後有校長也反應有點擔心說會不會造成說這個校園管理的部分但一方面我想身心調試假它是一個正向看待就是要讓教師們能夠有一個身心調試所以如果說老師請身心調試假的話會不會影響他的年度考積\n\n3\n00:00:45,724 --> 00:01:11,484\n這當然我們依法不會影響他的考機一定要明確的宣示而且不能拒絕是因為本席剛剛在未還委員會質詢勞動部我問這個航空公司最近有那個請假聽說連航空公司都說請病假跟試假都要扣那個考機我想勞動部應該要處理勞動部的部分但是拉回來我們自己教師的考機不會受有沒有請身心調試假而影響\n\n4\n00:01:12,424 --> 00:01:31,957\n這我們也跟地方一定會跟地方縣市教育局處還有學校在這個部分要說得非常清楚好那另外這個深信討試駕上路之後也會滾動式檢討我們也希望是說來釐清一下說會不會未來造成說校園裡面的一些管理啊或者說人人手的一個部分好不好那這\n\n5\n00:01:33,178 --> 00:01:50,764\n這再請我們滾動檢討來再來我有看到是說我們現在希望就去年我們有做公聽會就是針對這個學校高中以下學校學生攜帶行動載具也就是手機啊到校管理的一個準則那本來是說9月會提出來後來又有點\n\n6\n00:01:52,162 --> 00:02:14,733\n確實跟我們報告因為確實國中以下大概共識很強沒有問題現在對高中高中子這裡邊確實他還有一些因為包含學生團體認為他們還是比較成熟所以他們應該相對給他們有一個更大的空間但是我們本來當時的一個規劃就是授權學校\n\n7\n00:02:15,433 --> 00:02:44,000\n跟老師還有家長還有學生一起討論然後訂定以後這個學校各學校因地制宜他去訂立一些規範因為確實手機依賴是有彈性的來做調整但是大方向跟原則是希望是國小國中的部分有比較多的等於說國小國中這邊有比較明顯的一個規範但是還是學校裡面去討論一個管理的一個辦法\n\n8\n00:02:44,480 --> 00:03:04,733\n那高中這邊希望能夠有更大的一個彈性但是我們還是要把修正的這個草案出來能夠讓各學校全國學校來去做了解我們現在到的原則啊不然這不就是又走回頭路又回到原點了嗎因為其實現行還沒有這個我們本來9月要施行出來之前現行就是讓各學校自己決定啊是沒有錯就我\n\n9\n00:03:06,854 --> 00:03:35,282\n我本身一个教育的工作者我在看国际的许多的研究事实上我是非常担心我们青少年新世代他们因为手机上所造成的一些负面影响对他身心未来的发展事实上是不利的所以我们也希望说学校里边怎么样不增加学校额外的一些负担而能够透过一个民主化的一个机制建立一个共识有一个大家共同尊重\n\n10\n00:03:35,302 --> 00:03:50,852\n部長點到跟本席過去的一個研究以及觀察也是一樣因為看到越來越多一些歐美國家本席記得去年的時候我也在這邊質詢過您就說人家國家已經有在做了我們不用花成本去實驗組跟對照組那我們就應該去參考人家國家\n\n11\n00:03:52,193 --> 00:04:16,554\n禁止使用手機之後有什麼樣好的地方以及有什麼樣不好的地方來去做我們政策的一個研擬甚至本席有注意到2026年南韓都已經有通過法令說要求學校高中以下的學校是禁止使用手機這個是南韓已經通過三讀法令通過所以說我們他是暗支持可以錯工我們應該要來了解這樣的狀況\n\n12\n00:04:18,155 --> 00:04:31,582\n進一步什麼時候我們可以把這個相關的新的草案這邊來提出來我們要不要公布一個新的草案還是說其實就這樣子放著因為本來是說9月要推出啊\n\n13\n00:04:33,305 --> 00:04:59,410\n我想這個我們再來跟這個地方裡面有一個更大的一個共識我們一定會提出來因為確實像澳洲的新南威爾斯有超過一萬個的這個中小學校長他們也都看到手機的一個這個一定程度的這個管理的時候對學生的學習的專注還有學習的表現還有許多的這個行為規劃事實上都在往好的畫面在發展好\n\n14\n00:04:59,830 --> 00:05:23,929\n部長所以本學還是就是說教育部這邊還是要有一個比較積極的態度以及讓各學校有規則可循來去做那最後一分鐘因為有提到是說早上您也提到手機使用是一回事但是內容是一回事您也提到是說短影音對於學生的這個發展其實是不利的尤其太早年齡其實我們也看到確實有這樣的科學數據有許多的內容好\n\n15\n00:05:24,369 --> 00:05:39,886\n但是如果說講短影音的話它就不只只限我現在沒有幫任何一家公司講話但是如果說是講短影音的話就不只只限TikTok是它還包括其實YouTube它現在也有推短影音是包括Facebook其實它現在也有短影音我們是考量它的內容是\n\n16\n00:05:40,467 --> 00:06:05,901\n所以本席現在要問的是說因為早上我在交通委員會為質詢速發部長我問說你進不進知不支持禁止Ttalk速發部長講的是說其實他是言論自由但是如果以保護兒少的觀點我要求他找衛福部找教育部來溝通他是說建議是校園裡面的公有網路用屏障的方式讓學生不要用公有網路能夠連結上\n\n17\n00:06:07,222 --> 00:06:23,489\nTikTok是但如果說是保護兒少的話那就不只僅限TikTok甚至包含有一些交友軟體我想部長你有看過很多國外的一個研究更了解其實有一些交友網站上面他沒有設限的情況下有人實驗\n\n18\n00:06:25,110 --> 00:06:51,236\n貼一個12歲左右的女同女學童的大頭照結果短短說一天裡面收到上百通的成年男子的交友邀約那其實某種程度上這在還沒有年齡到成熟的一個情況下這是一個交友陷阱也是一個潛在的危險那是不是應該也要針對這些比較有可能危險的APP或說應該要分解APP\n\n19\n00:06:52,556 --> 00:07:09,482\n討論出來在校園裡面的公有網路裡面應該該禁止要禁止感謝委員提醒確實我們目前是針對有一些不宜的或者不適當內容只要有人有這個卷舉我們會在系統上就直接把它做一些隔離\n\n20\n00:07:10,442 --> 00:07:29,484\n但是這個我講的是全學全台灣學校那我們要再怎麼檢舉是跟教育部檢舉嗎還是幾多的短影很多的內容我們執筆論還沒有辦法馬上立即對每一個都能夠清楚對啦不是部長所以本席是在講的是說\n\n21\n00:07:31,038 --> 00:07:46,248\n譬如說Ttalk它其實它也是一個平台給各方使用者丟內容所以我現在不是探討內容的部分因為探討內容探討不完但是現在我講的是說如果說你們認為是短影音保護兒少那可能短影音的幾個\n\n22\n00:07:47,509 --> 00:08:14,632\nAPP都要一起來做檢討但我講如果以保護兒少為前提最出發點的話那其實不只短影音的平台還包括交友平台尤其是交友平台我本身是兩個女兒的父親我其實當然男童女童都一樣我們要以保護兒少的立場的話我們就應該去看到問題來去做根本的預防所以說有一些APP才會有年齡分級制\n\n23\n00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:35,767\n能不能部長速發部衛福部跟教育部三個部會來做一個討論針對哪一些APP確實即便它上架是年齡可能是六歲以上就可以使用但是它真的有潛在的危險的部分來去做一個討論那適時的應該要遮蔽應該要訂出一個規範\n\n24\n00:08:40,514 --> 00:09:09,133\n跟委員這邊很快回應就是有關於那個抖音跟小紅書是因為行政院有頒布就是國家自動安全的一個原則所以是根據這一個因為它是大陸製的一個自動產品然後蓋委員提的的確是就是說在不當內容防護的部分因為我們台灣學術網路有一個通報機制所以只要不當內容都會屏蔽然後會後我們會照委員所指示的\n\n25\n00:09:09,853 --> 00:09:36,176\n就是所建議的就是跟因為兒少的這個權益跟健康是衛福部所主管所以我們會主動聯繫衛福部看看就這件事情還有抒發部就這件事情我們怎麼樣做更好的合作好那再麻煩部長也請這邊積極的一個辦理那年底前我還在追這個議題也希望有成果都請讓北京辦公室了解謝謝委員謝謝部長\n\n26\n00:09:38,051 --> 00:09:40,377\n謝謝彭邦凱委員還有謝謝部長請回座\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n360\t5208\t委員請質詢主席謝謝麻煩請部長有請部長\n14795\t44050\t好 部長辛苦了委員好不會被冷卻應該我先追蹤一下剛剛委員有關心的這個教師身心調試假因為一方面上路之後有校長也反應有點擔心說會不會造成說這個校園管理的部分但一方面我想身心調試假它是一個正向看待就是要讓教師們能夠有一個身心調試所以如果說老師請身心調試假的話會不會影響他的年度考積\n45724\t71484\t這當然我們依法不會影響他的考機一定要明確的宣示而且不能拒絕是 因為本席剛剛在未還委員會質詢勞動部我問這個航空公司最近有那個請假聽說連航空公司都說請病假跟試假都要扣那個考機我想勞動部應該要處理勞動部的部分但是拉回來我們自己教師的考機不會受有沒有請身心調試假而影響\n72424\t91957\t這我們也跟地方一定會跟地方縣市教育局處還有學校在這個部分要說得非常清楚好那另外這個深信討試駕上路之後也會滾動式檢討我們也希望是說來釐清一下說會不會未來造成說校園裡面的一些管理啊或者說人人手的一個部分好不好那這\n93178\t110764\t這再請我們滾動檢討來 再來我有看到是說我們現在希望就去年我們有做公聽會就是針對這個學校高中以下學校學生攜帶行動載具也就是手機啊到校管理的一個準則那本來是說9月會提出來後來又有點\n112162\t134733\t確實跟我們報告因為確實國中以下大概共識很強沒有問題現在對高中高中子這裡邊確實他還有一些因為包含學生團體認為他們還是比較成熟所以他們應該相對給他們有一個更大的空間但是我們本來當時的一個規劃就是授權學校\n135433\t164000\t跟老師還有家長還有學生一起討論然後訂定以後這個學校各學校因地制宜他去訂立一些規範因為確實手機依賴是有彈性的來做調整但是大方向跟原則是希望是國小國中的部分有比較多的等於說國小國中這邊有比較明顯的一個規範但是還是學校裡面去討論一個管理的一個辦法\n164480\t184733\t那高中這邊希望能夠有更大的一個彈性但是我們還是要把修正的這個草案出來能夠讓各學校全國學校來去做了解我們現在到的原則啊不然這不就是又走回頭路又回到原點了嗎因為其實現行還沒有這個我們本來9月要施行出來之前現行就是讓各學校自己決定啊是 沒有錯就我\n186854\t215282\t我本身一个教育的工作者我在看国际的许多的研究事实上我是非常担心我们青少年新世代他们因为手机上所造成的一些负面影响对他身心未来的发展事实上是不利的所以我们也希望说学校里边怎么样不增加学校额外的一些负担而能够透过一个民主化的一个机制建立一个共识有一个大家共同尊重\n215302\t230852\t部長點到跟本席過去的一個研究以及觀察也是一樣因為看到越來越多一些歐美國家本席記得去年的時候我也在這邊質詢過您就說人家國家已經有在做了我們不用花成本去實驗組跟對照組那我們就應該去參考人家國家\n232193\t256554\t禁止使用手機之後有什麼樣好的地方以及有什麼樣不好的地方來去做我們政策的一個研擬甚至本席有注意到2026年南韓都已經有通過法令說要求學校高中以下的學校是禁止使用手機這個是南韓已經通過三讀法令通過所以說我們他是暗支持可以錯工我們應該要來了解這樣的狀況\n258155\t271582\t進一步什麼時候我們可以把這個相關的新的草案這邊來提出來我們要不要公布一個新的草案還是說其實就這樣子放著因為本來是說9月要推出啊\n273305\t299410\t我想這個我們再來跟這個地方裡面有一個更大的一個共識我們一定會提出來因為確實像澳洲的新南威爾斯有超過一萬個的這個中小學校長他們也都看到手機的一個這個一定程度的這個管理的時候對學生的學習的專注還有學習的表現還有許多的這個行為規劃事實上都在往好的畫面在發展好\n299830\t323929\t部長所以本學還是就是說教育部這邊還是要有一個比較積極的態度以及讓各學校有規則可循來去做那最後一分鐘因為有提到是說早上您也提到手機使用是一回事但是內容是一回事您也提到是說短影音對於學生的這個發展其實是不利的尤其太早年齡其實我們也看到確實有這樣的科學數據有許多的內容好\n324369\t339886\t但是如果說講短影音的話它就不只只限我現在沒有幫任何一家公司講話但是如果說是講短影音的話就不只只限TikTok是它還包括其實YouTube它現在也有推短影音是包括Facebook其實它現在也有短影音我們是考量它的內容是\n340467\t365901\t所以本席現在要問的是說因為早上我在交通委員會為質詢速發部長我問說你進不進 知不支持禁止Ttalk速發部長講的是說其實他是言論自由但是如果以保護兒少的觀點我要求他找衛福部 找教育部來溝通他是說建議是校園裡面的公有網路用屏障的方式讓學生不要用公有網路能夠連結上\n367222\t383489\tTikTok是但如果說是保護兒少的話那就不只僅限TikTok甚至包含有一些交友軟體我想部長你有看過很多國外的一個研究更了解其實有一些交友網站上面他沒有設限的情況下有人實驗\n385110\t411236\t貼一個12歲左右的女同女學童的大頭照結果短短說一天裡面收到上百通的成年男子的交友邀約那其實某種程度上這在還沒有年齡到成熟的一個情況下這是一個交友陷阱也是一個潛在的危險那是不是應該也要針對這些比較有可能危險的APP或說應該要分解APP\n412556\t429482\t討論出來在校園裡面的公有網路裡面應該 該禁止要禁止感謝委員提醒確實我們目前是針對有一些不宜的或者不適當內容只要有人有這個卷舉我們會在系統上就直接把它做一些隔離\n430442\t449484\t但是這個我講的是全學全台灣學校那我們要再怎麼檢舉是跟教育部檢舉嗎還是幾多的短影很多的內容我們執筆論還沒有辦法馬上立即對每一個都能夠清楚對啦 不是 部長所以本席是在講的是說\n451038\t466248\t譬如說Ttalk它其實它也是一個平台給各方使用者丟內容所以我現在不是探討內容的部分因為探討內容探討不完但是現在我講的是說如果說你們認為是短影音保護兒少那可能短影音的幾個\n467509\t494632\tAPP都要一起來做檢討但我講如果以保護兒少為前提最出發點的話那其實不只短影音的平台還包括交友平台尤其是交友平台我本身是兩個女兒的父親我其實當然男童女童都一樣我們要以保護兒少的立場的話我們就應該去看到問題來去做根本的預防所以說有一些APP才會有年齡分級制\n496080\t515767\t能不能部長 速發部 衛福部跟教育部三個部會來做一個討論針對哪一些APP確實即便它上架是年齡可能是六歲以上就可以使用但是它真的有潛在的危險的部分來去做一個討論那適時的應該要遮蔽 應該要訂出一個規範\n520514\t549133\t跟委員這邊很快回應就是有關於那個抖音跟小紅書是因為行政院有頒布就是國家自動安全的一個原則所以是根據這一個因為它是大陸製的一個自動產品然後蓋委員提的的確是就是說在不當內容防護的部分因為我們台灣學術網路有一個通報機制所以只要不當內容都會屏蔽然後會後我們會照委員所指示的\n549853\t576176\t就是所建議的就是跟因為兒少的這個權益跟健康是衛福部所主管所以我們會主動聯繫衛福部看看就這件事情還有抒發部就這件事情我們怎麼樣做更好的合作好那再麻煩部長也請這邊積極的一個辦理那年底前我還在追這個議題也希望有成果都請讓北京辦公室了解謝謝委員謝謝部長\n578051\t580377\t謝謝彭邦凱委員還有謝謝部長請回座\n","txt":"委員請質詢主席謝謝麻煩請部長有請部長\n好 部長辛苦了委員好不會被冷卻應該我先追蹤一下剛剛委員有關心的這個教師身心調試假因為一方面上路之後有校長也反應有點擔心說會不會造成說這個校園管理的部分但一方面我想身心調試假它是一個正向看待就是要讓教師們能夠有一個身心調試所以如果說老師請身心調試假的話會不會影響他的年度考積\n這當然我們依法不會影響他的考機一定要明確的宣示而且不能拒絕是 因為本席剛剛在未還委員會質詢勞動部我問這個航空公司最近有那個請假聽說連航空公司都說請病假跟試假都要扣那個考機我想勞動部應該要處理勞動部的部分但是拉回來我們自己教師的考機不會受有沒有請身心調試假而影響\n這我們也跟地方一定會跟地方縣市教育局處還有學校在這個部分要說得非常清楚好那另外這個深信討試駕上路之後也會滾動式檢討我們也希望是說來釐清一下說會不會未來造成說校園裡面的一些管理啊或者說人人手的一個部分好不好那這\n這再請我們滾動檢討來 再來我有看到是說我們現在希望就去年我們有做公聽會就是針對這個學校高中以下學校學生攜帶行動載具也就是手機啊到校管理的一個準則那本來是說9月會提出來後來又有點\n確實跟我們報告因為確實國中以下大概共識很強沒有問題現在對高中高中子這裡邊確實他還有一些因為包含學生團體認為他們還是比較成熟所以他們應該相對給他們有一個更大的空間但是我們本來當時的一個規劃就是授權學校\n跟老師還有家長還有學生一起討論然後訂定以後這個學校各學校因地制宜他去訂立一些規範因為確實手機依賴是有彈性的來做調整但是大方向跟原則是希望是國小國中的部分有比較多的等於說國小國中這邊有比較明顯的一個規範但是還是學校裡面去討論一個管理的一個辦法\n那高中這邊希望能夠有更大的一個彈性但是我們還是要把修正的這個草案出來能夠讓各學校全國學校來去做了解我們現在到的原則啊不然這不就是又走回頭路又回到原點了嗎因為其實現行還沒有這個我們本來9月要施行出來之前現行就是讓各學校自己決定啊是 沒有錯就我\n我本身一个教育的工作者我在看国际的许多的研究事实上我是非常担心我们青少年新世代他们因为手机上所造成的一些负面影响对他身心未来的发展事实上是不利的所以我们也希望说学校里边怎么样不增加学校额外的一些负担而能够透过一个民主化的一个机制建立一个共识有一个大家共同尊重\n部長點到跟本席過去的一個研究以及觀察也是一樣因為看到越來越多一些歐美國家本席記得去年的時候我也在這邊質詢過您就說人家國家已經有在做了我們不用花成本去實驗組跟對照組那我們就應該去參考人家國家\n禁止使用手機之後有什麼樣好的地方以及有什麼樣不好的地方來去做我們政策的一個研擬甚至本席有注意到2026年南韓都已經有通過法令說要求學校高中以下的學校是禁止使用手機這個是南韓已經通過三讀法令通過所以說我們他是暗支持可以錯工我們應該要來了解這樣的狀況\n進一步什麼時候我們可以把這個相關的新的草案這邊來提出來我們要不要公布一個新的草案還是說其實就這樣子放著因為本來是說9月要推出啊\n我想這個我們再來跟這個地方裡面有一個更大的一個共識我們一定會提出來因為確實像澳洲的新南威爾斯有超過一萬個的這個中小學校長他們也都看到手機的一個這個一定程度的這個管理的時候對學生的學習的專注還有學習的表現還有許多的這個行為規劃事實上都在往好的畫面在發展好\n部長所以本學還是就是說教育部這邊還是要有一個比較積極的態度以及讓各學校有規則可循來去做那最後一分鐘因為有提到是說早上您也提到手機使用是一回事但是內容是一回事您也提到是說短影音對於學生的這個發展其實是不利的尤其太早年齡其實我們也看到確實有這樣的科學數據有許多的內容好\n但是如果說講短影音的話它就不只只限我現在沒有幫任何一家公司講話但是如果說是講短影音的話就不只只限TikTok是它還包括其實YouTube它現在也有推短影音是包括Facebook其實它現在也有短影音我們是考量它的內容是\n所以本席現在要問的是說因為早上我在交通委員會為質詢速發部長我問說你進不進 知不支持禁止Ttalk速發部長講的是說其實他是言論自由但是如果以保護兒少的觀點我要求他找衛福部 找教育部來溝通他是說建議是校園裡面的公有網路用屏障的方式讓學生不要用公有網路能夠連結上\nTikTok是但如果說是保護兒少的話那就不只僅限TikTok甚至包含有一些交友軟體我想部長你有看過很多國外的一個研究更了解其實有一些交友網站上面他沒有設限的情況下有人實驗\n貼一個12歲左右的女同女學童的大頭照結果短短說一天裡面收到上百通的成年男子的交友邀約那其實某種程度上這在還沒有年齡到成熟的一個情況下這是一個交友陷阱也是一個潛在的危險那是不是應該也要針對這些比較有可能危險的APP或說應該要分解APP\n討論出來在校園裡面的公有網路裡面應該 該禁止要禁止感謝委員提醒確實我們目前是針對有一些不宜的或者不適當內容只要有人有這個卷舉我們會在系統上就直接把它做一些隔離\n但是這個我講的是全學全台灣學校那我們要再怎麼檢舉是跟教育部檢舉嗎還是幾多的短影很多的內容我們執筆論還沒有辦法馬上立即對每一個都能夠清楚對啦 不是 部長所以本席是在講的是說\n譬如說Ttalk它其實它也是一個平台給各方使用者丟內容所以我現在不是探討內容的部分因為探討內容探討不完但是現在我講的是說如果說你們認為是短影音保護兒少那可能短影音的幾個\nAPP都要一起來做檢討但我講如果以保護兒少為前提最出發點的話那其實不只短影音的平台還包括交友平台尤其是交友平台我本身是兩個女兒的父親我其實當然男童女童都一樣我們要以保護兒少的立場的話我們就應該去看到問題來去做根本的預防所以說有一些APP才會有年齡分級制\n能不能部長 速發部 衛福部跟教育部三個部會來做一個討論針對哪一些APP確實即便它上架是年齡可能是六歲以上就可以使用但是它真的有潛在的危險的部分來去做一個討論那適時的應該要遮蔽 應該要訂出一個規範\n跟委員這邊很快回應就是有關於那個抖音跟小紅書是因為行政院有頒布就是國家自動安全的一個原則所以是根據這一個因為它是大陸製的一個自動產品然後蓋委員提的的確是就是說在不當內容防護的部分因為我們台灣學術網路有一個通報機制所以只要不當內容都會屏蔽然後會後我們會照委員所指示的\n就是所建議的就是跟因為兒少的這個權益跟健康是衛福部所主管所以我們會主動聯繫衛福部看看就這件事情還有抒發部就這件事情我們怎麼樣做更好的合作好那再麻煩部長也請這邊積極的一個辦理那年底前我還在追這個議題也希望有成果都請讓北京辦公室了解謝謝委員謝謝部長\n謝謝彭邦凱委員還有謝謝部長請回座\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.360 --> 00:05.208\n委員請質詢主席謝謝麻煩請部長有請部長\n\n00:14.795 --> 00:44.050\n好部長辛苦了委員好不會被冷卻應該我先追蹤一下剛剛委員有關心的這個教師身心調試假因為一方面上路之後有校長也反應有點擔心說會不會造成說這個校園管理的部分但一方面我想身心調試假它是一個正向看待就是要讓教師們能夠有一個身心調試所以如果說老師請身心調試假的話會不會影響他的年度考積\n\n00:45.724 --> 01:11.484\n這當然我們依法不會影響他的考機一定要明確的宣示而且不能拒絕是因為本席剛剛在未還委員會質詢勞動部我問這個航空公司最近有那個請假聽說連航空公司都說請病假跟試假都要扣那個考機我想勞動部應該要處理勞動部的部分但是拉回來我們自己教師的考機不會受有沒有請身心調試假而影響\n\n01:12.424 --> 01:31.957\n這我們也跟地方一定會跟地方縣市教育局處還有學校在這個部分要說得非常清楚好那另外這個深信討試駕上路之後也會滾動式檢討我們也希望是說來釐清一下說會不會未來造成說校園裡面的一些管理啊或者說人人手的一個部分好不好那這\n\n01:33.178 --> 01:50.764\n這再請我們滾動檢討來再來我有看到是說我們現在希望就去年我們有做公聽會就是針對這個學校高中以下學校學生攜帶行動載具也就是手機啊到校管理的一個準則那本來是說9月會提出來後來又有點\n\n01:52.162 --> 02:14.733\n確實跟我們報告因為確實國中以下大概共識很強沒有問題現在對高中高中子這裡邊確實他還有一些因為包含學生團體認為他們還是比較成熟所以他們應該相對給他們有一個更大的空間但是我們本來當時的一個規劃就是授權學校\n\n02:15.433 --> 02:44.000\n跟老師還有家長還有學生一起討論然後訂定以後這個學校各學校因地制宜他去訂立一些規範因為確實手機依賴是有彈性的來做調整但是大方向跟原則是希望是國小國中的部分有比較多的等於說國小國中這邊有比較明顯的一個規範但是還是學校裡面去討論一個管理的一個辦法\n\n02:44.480 --> 03:04.733\n那高中這邊希望能夠有更大的一個彈性但是我們還是要把修正的這個草案出來能夠讓各學校全國學校來去做了解我們現在到的原則啊不然這不就是又走回頭路又回到原點了嗎因為其實現行還沒有這個我們本來9月要施行出來之前現行就是讓各學校自己決定啊是沒有錯就我\n\n03:06.854 --> 03:35.282\n我本身一个教育的工作者我在看国际的许多的研究事实上我是非常担心我们青少年新世代他们因为手机上所造成的一些负面影响对他身心未来的发展事实上是不利的所以我们也希望说学校里边怎么样不增加学校额外的一些负担而能够透过一个民主化的一个机制建立一个共识有一个大家共同尊重\n\n03:35.302 --> 03:50.852\n部長點到跟本席過去的一個研究以及觀察也是一樣因為看到越來越多一些歐美國家本席記得去年的時候我也在這邊質詢過您就說人家國家已經有在做了我們不用花成本去實驗組跟對照組那我們就應該去參考人家國家\n\n03:52.193 --> 04:16.554\n禁止使用手機之後有什麼樣好的地方以及有什麼樣不好的地方來去做我們政策的一個研擬甚至本席有注意到2026年南韓都已經有通過法令說要求學校高中以下的學校是禁止使用手機這個是南韓已經通過三讀法令通過所以說我們他是暗支持可以錯工我們應該要來了解這樣的狀況\n\n04:18.155 --> 04:31.582\n進一步什麼時候我們可以把這個相關的新的草案這邊來提出來我們要不要公布一個新的草案還是說其實就這樣子放著因為本來是說9月要推出啊\n\n04:33.305 --> 04:59.410\n我想這個我們再來跟這個地方裡面有一個更大的一個共識我們一定會提出來因為確實像澳洲的新南威爾斯有超過一萬個的這個中小學校長他們也都看到手機的一個這個一定程度的這個管理的時候對學生的學習的專注還有學習的表現還有許多的這個行為規劃事實上都在往好的畫面在發展好\n\n04:59.830 --> 05:23.929\n部長所以本學還是就是說教育部這邊還是要有一個比較積極的態度以及讓各學校有規則可循來去做那最後一分鐘因為有提到是說早上您也提到手機使用是一回事但是內容是一回事您也提到是說短影音對於學生的這個發展其實是不利的尤其太早年齡其實我們也看到確實有這樣的科學數據有許多的內容好\n\n05:24.369 --> 05:39.886\n但是如果說講短影音的話它就不只只限我現在沒有幫任何一家公司講話但是如果說是講短影音的話就不只只限TikTok是它還包括其實YouTube它現在也有推短影音是包括Facebook其實它現在也有短影音我們是考量它的內容是\n\n05:40.467 --> 06:05.901\n所以本席現在要問的是說因為早上我在交通委員會為質詢速發部長我問說你進不進知不支持禁止Ttalk速發部長講的是說其實他是言論自由但是如果以保護兒少的觀點我要求他找衛福部找教育部來溝通他是說建議是校園裡面的公有網路用屏障的方式讓學生不要用公有網路能夠連結上\n\n06:07.222 --> 06:23.489\nTikTok是但如果說是保護兒少的話那就不只僅限TikTok甚至包含有一些交友軟體我想部長你有看過很多國外的一個研究更了解其實有一些交友網站上面他沒有設限的情況下有人實驗\n\n06:25.110 --> 06:51.236\n貼一個12歲左右的女同女學童的大頭照結果短短說一天裡面收到上百通的成年男子的交友邀約那其實某種程度上這在還沒有年齡到成熟的一個情況下這是一個交友陷阱也是一個潛在的危險那是不是應該也要針對這些比較有可能危險的APP或說應該要分解APP\n\n06:52.556 --> 07:09.482\n討論出來在校園裡面的公有網路裡面應該該禁止要禁止感謝委員提醒確實我們目前是針對有一些不宜的或者不適當內容只要有人有這個卷舉我們會在系統上就直接把它做一些隔離\n\n07:10.442 --> 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沒有錯就我"},{"start":186.854,"end":215.282,"text":"我本身一个教育的工作者我在看国际的许多的研究事实上我是非常担心我们青少年新世代他们因为手机上所造成的一些负面影响对他身心未来的发展事实上是不利的所以我们也希望说学校里边怎么样不增加学校额外的一些负担而能够透过一个民主化的一个机制建立一个共识有一个大家共同尊重"},{"start":215.302,"end":230.852,"text":"部長點到跟本席過去的一個研究以及觀察也是一樣因為看到越來越多一些歐美國家本席記得去年的時候我也在這邊質詢過您就說人家國家已經有在做了我們不用花成本去實驗組跟對照組那我們就應該去參考人家國家"},{"start":232.193,"end":256.554,"text":"禁止使用手機之後有什麼樣好的地方以及有什麼樣不好的地方來去做我們政策的一個研擬甚至本席有注意到2026年南韓都已經有通過法令說要求學校高中以下的學校是禁止使用手機這個是南韓已經通過三讀法令通過所以說我們他是暗支持可以錯工我們應該要來了解這樣的狀況"},{"start":258.155,"end":271.582,"text":"進一步什麼時候我們可以把這個相關的新的草案這邊來提出來我們要不要公布一個新的草案還是說其實就這樣子放著因為本來是說9月要推出啊"},{"start":273.305,"end":299.41,"text":"我想這個我們再來跟這個地方裡面有一個更大的一個共識我們一定會提出來因為確實像澳洲的新南威爾斯有超過一萬個的這個中小學校長他們也都看到手機的一個這個一定程度的這個管理的時候對學生的學習的專注還有學習的表現還有許多的這個行為規劃事實上都在往好的畫面在發展好"},{"start":299.83,"end":323.929,"text":"部長所以本學還是就是說教育部這邊還是要有一個比較積極的態度以及讓各學校有規則可循來去做那最後一分鐘因為有提到是說早上您也提到手機使用是一回事但是內容是一回事您也提到是說短影音對於學生的這個發展其實是不利的尤其太早年齡其實我們也看到確實有這樣的科學數據有許多的內容好"},{"start":324.369,"end":339.886,"text":"但是如果說講短影音的話它就不只只限我現在沒有幫任何一家公司講話但是如果說是講短影音的話就不只只限TikTok是它還包括其實YouTube它現在也有推短影音是包括Facebook其實它現在也有短影音我們是考量它的內容是"},{"start":340.467,"end":365.901,"text":"所以本席現在要問的是說因為早上我在交通委員會為質詢速發部長我問說你進不進 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