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署長目前是沒有沒錯所以署長我們一起看到老師的困境好不好老師的困境就是生師比很難降下來然後可是家長對於生師比很高其實也常年不滿孩子所能夠受到照顧跟服務相對也沒有那麼好所以呢可是我們特效法又規定要降低生師比可是我們對於疑似生的定義又不清楚可是現場"},{"start":235.015,"end":256.537,"text":"全球都有一個趨勢署長你一定比我清楚全球都有一個趨勢就是特教生的比例越來越高包含美國他們都因為這樣要積極的在川普政府任內要推出相對應的法規跟大量的預算所以我認為特教生這個議題絕對是部裡面非常重的議題要拜託部長跟署長我們一起努力好不好是的"},{"start":256.857,"end":286.64,"text":"好最后一个我到三秒钟讲完我就不长战的听就可以了体育班的问题我相信部里面已经开启跟运动部的讨论我还是一个简单的诉求不管在几年内我希望越短时间越好我们让体育班这件事情要回归教育部主管机关这个非常非常重要但是如何在回归教育部主管机关同时收拢现场基层教练的声音家长的声音同时照顾到每一个学生的需求这个事情非常非常重要拜托我们一起努力"},{"start":287.061,"end":293.561,"text":"好谢谢署长谢谢部长谢谢主席谢谢好谢谢陈伯渝委员谢谢署长现在"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":926,"blocks":[["陳委員培瑜：（12時57分）好，謝謝主席，我們讓部長喝口水，好，我們請國教署長好了啦！我們換署長。"],["主席：請彭署長。"],["陳委員培瑜：部長休息一下，但是我想我們講的部長都非常清楚。好，謝謝署長，署長，辛苦了！"],["彭署長富源：謝謝委員。"],["陳委員培瑜：我們辦公室昨天才跟一些教文的委員，當然還有包含徐富癸委員，我們開了一個特教座談會，因為徐富癸委員昨天自己也有說，他自己的兒子也是唐寶寶。其實我想部裡面一直都知道，我們辦公室每一個會期都會辦特教座談會，因為有特教的議題方方面面喔！我想收容的議題非常多，不可能在今天討論完畢，後續的工作要持續推進，就是我們辦公室公開拜託教育部跟國教署積極協助所有收容的問題，我們讓普特融合這個議題可以做得更好，好不好？"],["彭署長富源：好的。"],["陳委員培瑜：署長，我們來看一下，我們今天就先講第一個就好了，疑似生是現在讓普師跟特師都感到非常困擾的議題。第一個，因為我們對於疑似生其實沒有法規範的定義，也沒有相關的說明。我們來看一下現場這個數字，這是你們給我們的數字。以臺北市來說，特教生跟疑似生的比例是四比一，也就是說在臺北市光是疑似生就2,510名，來到了宜蘭縣也是五比一，花蓮縣也是五比一，這個是特生跟疑似生的比例喔！可是很詭異的是，很奇怪喔！我們來看高雄市，整個高雄市在113年度只有一名疑似生耶！如果同樣都是六都，署長，你有沒有覺得這個數字差別太大了？我認為這個差別之所以這麼大，不是臺北市出了問題，也不是高雄市出了問題，而是我們對於疑似生的定義跟認識，不會只有地方上的差異，可能你當老師的班跟我當老師的班，署長，你當導師跟我當導師，我們對於疑似生的定義就不清楚，而且沒有百分之百相同，導致於我們出現這個數字，這個部分你們要不要說明一下？我時間很短，你快速說明。"],["彭署長富源：跟委員報告兩點，目前法規上的確沒有比較明確的定義。"],["陳委員培瑜：沒錯。"],["彭署長富源：它跟鑑定是綁在一起。"],["陳委員培瑜：是。"],["彭署長富源：就是鑑定這個錢。現在我們想要在兩個月內把委員所提，現在平均數約略是10比1，但是局部縣市剛才說有比較歧異的現象，這些我們會去了解當地地方政府執行的情形，我們會盤點。"],["陳委員培瑜：但是我們到底要怎麼樣定義疑似生？我認為這件事情現場老師都需要你們的幫忙，當然因為現場的老師他每天都在陪伴學生，所以他們在現場觀察的意見，拜託你們一定要收攏，不要只有透過教總或是教產，我認為更多地方老師的座談，拜託去收攏……"],["彭署長富源：我們會自己執行。"],["陳委員培瑜：好，拜託定義要清楚。再來往下看第二個問題，現在針對疑似生，老師們在現場面對的困境是……根據你們法規所寫的，未持有各級主管機關核發有效鑑定證明之身心障礙疑似生，學校要依學生輔導法規定提供服務，特教老師也要提供協助，然後還要觀察跟學習特殊需求評估，必要的時候還要提報鑑定；這就是我剛剛說的，普師跟特師都在服務這些學生。也就是說，普師跟特師都在疑似生高漲的現場，那個師生比其實是要提高的。可是我們現在看到的生師比其實是不含疑似生，對不對？署長。"],["彭署長富源：目前是沒有。"],["陳委員培瑜：沒錯，所以署長，我們一起看到老師的困境，好不好？老師的困境就是生師比很難降下來，可是家長對於生師比很高，其實也常年不滿，孩子所能夠受到的照顧跟服務相對也沒有那麼好。我們特教法規定要降低生師比，可是我們對於疑似生的定義又不清楚。全球現場都有一個趨勢，署長，你一定比我清楚，全球都有的趨勢就是特教生的比例越來越高，包含美國他們都因為這樣，積極地要在川普政府任內推出相對應的法規跟大量預算。所以我認為特教生的議題絕對是部裡面非常重的議題，要拜託部長跟署長，我們一起努力，好不好？"],["彭署長富源：是的。"],["陳委員培瑜：好，最後一個，我用3秒鐘講完，部長站著聽就可以了。關於體育班的問題，我相信部裡面已經開啟跟運動部的討論，我還是一個簡單的訴求，不管在幾年內，我希望越短時間越好，我們讓體育班這件事情要回歸教育部主管機關，這個非常非常重要。但是如何在回歸教育部主管機關的同時，收攏現場基層教練的聲音、家長的聲音，同時照顧到每一個學生的需求，這個事情非常非常重要，拜託我們一起努力。謝謝署長，謝謝部長，謝謝主席。"],["彭署長富源：好，謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝陳培瑜委員，謝謝署長。","現在我們請伍麗華委員進行質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":252,"meet_id":"委員會-11-4-22-3","speakers":["劉書彬","柯志恩","吳沛憶","范雲","林沛祥","葛如鈞","葉元之","羅廷瑋","萬美玲","郭昱晴","謝龍介","陳秀寳","陳瑩","林宜瑾","賴惠員","徐欣瑩","陳培瑜","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","徐富癸","邱志偉","楊瓊瓔","張雅琳","林月琴","洪孟楷","林德福","高金素梅","翁曉玲"],"page_start":175,"meetingDate":["2025-10-15"],"gazette_id":"1148302","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1148302_00006"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第3次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請教育部部長鄭英耀列席報告業務概況，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1148302_00005"}}}