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00:03:12,461\n牽連互動的一個策略而不要再去敘述這只是地緣政治這是地緣經濟或是地緣戰略它是不可以分割的它是糾結在一起確定你的商業利益確定你的施政目標確定你的保護手段那這個東西我們希望未來在這個國際事務跟外交學院在課程上面能夠在這個地方琢磨多一點好謝謝委員的指導我們外交學院的課程\n\n11\n00:03:13,061 --> 00:03:40,675\n是是是那后面的两页就比较偏重在技术性因为强调的是国家安全韧性那这里面呢有很多是有关我们驻外单位的治安那这些东西这个图表仅供参考是那最后一个就是说这里面有涉及到一些预算的分配也影响到我们驻外单位那比方讲关注的这个保密啊措施啊技术啊\n\n12\n00:03:41,095 --> 00:03:56,013\n尤其是国内国外通讯安全的这个表明这个图表我们提供这个贵部做参考我就是特别强调驻外人员的通讯安全也是一个非常重要的不只是你在当地的手机\n\n13\n00:03:56,954 --> 00:04:21,852\n那甚至我们驻外办公室啊你周遭的环境啊我就举例我们这个驻美代表处这个威斯康辛4201啊这边右边是Venice左边的那个巷子里面啊那里面就有好几家是属于当地国的监控办公室所以你在每一个国家的办事处的周遭环境啊也要做一个掌握的了解因为\n\n14\n00:04:22,512 --> 00:04:44,700\n你在国外好不容易努力做的成果回报国内的过程中间如果产生了一些这个讯息或文件外露那我们前面很多同仁的努力工作可能要重新来过那这一点我特别提出这个做部长参考看看部长您有什么指教谢谢委员确实现在在所谓的\n\n15\n00:04:45,720 --> 00:05:07,736\nCyberSpace的戰爭是每天都在發生所以我們講說入海空、太空還有網路空間所以剛剛委員講到這個不管是所謂的韌性或安全我們這方面當然從硬體管制、遠端監控、資安、稽查到教育訓練四個面向同步展開\n\n16\n00:05:08,456 --> 00:05:32,054\n那我們也有派這個查核的人去抽檢另外當然我們也不斷的在就是教育訓練因為這方面其實很多是其實資安跟人安是密切相關我們能夠管得了這些硬體資訊等等但事實上人常常會有時候不守規矩或因為這個部分被滲透\n\n17\n00:05:34,696 --> 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