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00:00:43,103\n一年半吧一年半一年五個月那在這段時間你有看到外交工作都朝向正面的改變跟發展包含你的農幫計畫出訪11個友邦那他帶動的是經貿合作所以說讓我們的邦交國有感那你也促成很多重要的友邦人物來訪那相形之下你的前一任外交部長在吳釗燮部長在上任的同一段時間內他大概連丟了多米尼加布吉納法索薩爾瓦多等國\n\n3\n00:00:44,204 --> 00:01:05,998\n那所以部長我很肯定你對總和外交的戰略方針也就是說你是在戰略上面從價值外交的基礎上再更加一步升級成這個價值的外交所以把我們的經貿實力把我們的科技實力全部都整合進去所以這一點我必須還是要來給這個部長跟所有的外交同仁來來好好的打氣那我要強調說\n\n4\n00:01:07,839 --> 00:01:33,190\n吳釗燮前部長任內台灣先後跟八個國家斷交那對於外交體系上面還有出現我昨天特別在質詢國安局相關的人員的時候有出現這個共諜的事件那這一定程度的打擊我們的外交官的士氣那當然也會讓我們的這個社會大眾對責任政治會有展開一些疑問就是說為什麼這些政務官是不是忘記什麼叫做責任政治它不是一個口號它應該是要被落實的一個原則\n\n5\n00:01:34,130 --> 00:02:00,264\n他不是向上管理他也不是對內鬥爭他應該是要開拓新局體制跟團體特別是外交部是一個大家庭來共同前行所以說實話在過去這幾年我是有點失望的那我也希望說從這個部長來展開你的任期的時候我希望外交戰略可以替外交人員來提升這個士氣可是我也是要坦白說最近有一些非常奇怪的現象似乎有人不希望台灣的外交更好\n\n6\n00:02:01,124 --> 00:02:20,118\n各種涉外人士大家如果Google一下涉外人士然後查一下新聞各種放話是滿天杯它是對外是對外是製造不必要的這個困擾那對內是干擾我們的外交決策的系統我必須強調人比制度更重要可是我剛剛說人比制度更重要的時候我們看一下PowerPoint我看到一個新聞上面有一個幕後就是說有人認為說吳釗燮比制度更重要有這樣相關的放話\n\n7\n00:02:31,138 --> 00:02:55,243\n這是怎麼回事啊這樣的放話是個人意志還是體制的我不知道這個行為是妥不妥當部長你有沒有聽到相關的這個訊息啊我也是看媒體報導而已外交是一個人可以做的嗎外交是一個單一人物單一一個領導人物可以改變的事情嗎他是要全體人員一起做所以我真的是希望說如果還有這樣子的放話的話\n\n8\n00:02:56,853 --> 00:03:14,429\n盡量是不要再出現不管是從哪一個單位我不管是國安、外交還是哪一個單位出來的這種私下放話為了個人的利益超過國家的利益是大可不必那第二點這樣的放話之外我更擔心的是什麼來下一頁有涉外人士將瘋傳媒指出\n\n9\n00:03:21,155 --> 00:03:50,135\n他說因為總統不相信外交部公務員這是什麼樣的人敢這樣子的表示這是對外交體制的羞辱這是替總統在製造問題耶如果有這樣子的社會人士放出這樣子的話我希望他趕快修正因為包含我們的整個國家系統裡面我們是跟外交系統跟國防的體系我們是一起向前行這是一個團體作戰那不是個人之作戰有沒有人授權他們這麼說\n\n10\n00:03:52,455 --> 00:04:07,843\n有沒有這些有涉外人士嘛所以部長你覺得這個涉外人士是來自哪裡有誰授權這麼做這樣的說法嗎我們外交部就是在涉外嘛但是這個涉外人士並不是我們外交部啊不是我們外交部的系統出來的齁\n\n11\n00:04:09,013 --> 00:04:26,020\n最好不要是喔部長我們那如果不是外交系統出來的那會是哪一個系統我說外交部啦就是因為我部長嘛我要帶領外交部但是外交部就是都是職業外交官相當的其實很多很優秀那這怎麼樣能夠讓他們發揮最大的功能\n\n12\n00:04:27,338 --> 00:04:42,591\n我們就是總和外交就是在於避免比較個人化的外交我們是整個台灣國力的延伸然後我們很團結然後比如我們外管我們怎麼去強化外管在所謂涉外事務上它能夠打仗\n\n13\n00:04:45,333 --> 00:05:09,945\n因為外交也是沒有煙消的戰爭事實上是每一天都很激烈所以我們應該去強化我們外館代表我們國家去進行社外的業務好那我們下一頁部長我是希望就是說外交不是用來展現個人的舞台它是國家的舞台包含這種在社群平台上面外交部的社群平台就是外交部的\n\n14\n00:05:10,365 --> 00:05:38,988\n不是個人的那這過去有一些我覺得比較不妥當的狀況那包含我們的前外長李大維前部長他也是在相關的他的自己的著作裡面有說管好你的推文嘛就說前總統有提到一些比較社群媒體比較活躍的人說管好他的推文那我也是希望說未來我們在推文上面是要展現我們台灣的韌性展現我們台灣的軟實力展現我們想要傳達給國際的立場而不是傳達個人的立場\n\n15\n00:05:39,508 --> 00:06:04,083\n我想這點還是很重要沒有任何一個人能夠鄰駕團隊沒有任何一個人可以做一些他自己想做的事情而不在乎團隊跟國家國家的利益一定要大於自己個人的利益不要向上管理那要向外管理讓我們能夠開拓興趣這個我覺得這些都是非常重要的那我最後還是再提到部長我一個期許那過去我們有\n\n16\n00:06:05,104 --> 00:06:10,644\n有幾個邦交國的離開了那有沒有想法未來有沒有辦法爭取邦交國\n\n17\n00:06:13,050 --> 00:06:40,370\n我們12個邦交國目前關係都是很穩定啦那當然也有很多國家跟我們會交涉也希望台灣能夠跟他們發展關係那是我們期待這個都是大家基於就是彼此共同的理念跟利害關係建立的外交所以我回應委員就是說我們確實也很多國家\n\n18\n00:06:41,391 --> 00:07:00,321\n跟台灣就是希望能夠來建立不管是正式的或是實質上的外交關係那我們也在朝這方面去努力謝謝部長那我再次強調那我藉這個公開的場合說如果社會人士想要再用這樣的方式放話的話那麼去當媒體人會比較適合不要在這邊來去破壞我國的團結\n\n19\n00:07:01,201 --> 00:07:29,237\n那在這個外交人員的認免狀況我也有一個具體的建議其實我們很多外交的這些官員那他們其實要處理國政相關的不管是在經貿或者是政治的遊說等等其實已經花費很多心思那在行政業務上面如果他們也要來協助的話那對他們的這個負擔是很重的所以我們是具體希望部長是不是有可能針對外交行政人員行政歸行政那做一些外交體系的工作讓他們做外交體系的工作\n\n20\n00:07:29,997 --> 00:07:50,193\n讓這樣子的分配工作讓我們的外交能力總和的能力能夠成長不知道部長你怎麼看確實我們因為現在總和外交的推動需要有新的組織跟運作的機制那我們在不管是員額的編制還有預算上都在做相應的檢討跟調整\n\n21\n00:07:52,455 --> 00:08:15,708\n那我想過去當然就是其實外交官尤其是駐外他幾乎是全人什麼都要做但事實上排擠掉他很多在政務上的工作所以這個怎麼分流有一些可能透過雇員制度有些因為現在的專業領域除了外交你像對科技對文化其實這個我們舉個例子有一些當然政務大使是很多是特任\n\n22\n00:08:19,670 --> 00:08:29,636\n所以讓我們外交人士的運用可以有一些彈性當然在尊重專業主義的原則下能夠發揮總和外交的目標\n\n23\n00:08:30,765 --> 00:08:50,219\n政務歸政務事務歸事務像美國有這個ForeignServiceAct我想這個包括外交國防委員很多的委員也都曾經有這方面就是說怎麼樣針對外交就像國防也是很專業的領域嘛那外交也是能夠有一個通盤的檢討讓我們外交的能量可以充分的發揮我想會再會請教這個委員們的意見好謝謝部長好謝謝陳冠廷委員各位請回\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n169\t14068\t麻煩召委請部長來 部長請委員好部長好部長您上任到現在大概多久了\n15308\t43103\t一年半吧一年半一年五個月那在這段時間你有看到外交工作都朝向正面的改變跟發展包含你的農幫計畫出訪11個友邦那他帶動的是經貿合作所以說讓我們的邦交國有感那你也促成很多重要的友邦人物來訪那相形之下你的前一任外交部長在吳釗燮部長在上任的同一段時間內他大概連丟了多米尼加布吉納法索薩爾瓦多等國\n44204\t65998\t那所以部長我很肯定你對總和外交的戰略方針也就是說你是在戰略上面從價值外交的基礎上再更加一步升級成這個價值的外交所以把我們的經貿實力把我們的科技實力全部都整合進去所以這一點我必須還是要來給這個部長跟所有的外交同仁來來好好的打氣那我要強調說\n67839\t93190\t吳釗燮前部長任內台灣先後跟八個國家斷交那對於外交體系上面還有出現我昨天特別在質詢國安局相關的人員的時候有出現這個共諜的事件那這一定程度的打擊我們的外交官的士氣那當然也會讓我們的這個社會大眾對責任政治會有展開一些疑問就是說為什麼這些政務官是不是忘記什麼叫做責任政治它不是一個口號它應該是要被落實的一個原則\n94130\t120264\t他不是向上管理他也不是對內鬥爭他應該是要開拓新局體制跟團體特別是外交部是一個大家庭來共同前行所以說實話在過去這幾年我是有點失望的那我也希望說從這個部長來展開你的任期的時候我希望外交戰略可以替外交人員來提升這個士氣可是我也是要坦白說最近有一些非常奇怪的現象似乎有人不希望台灣的外交更好\n121124\t140118\t各種涉外人士大家如果Google一下涉外人士然後查一下新聞各種放話是滿天杯它是對外是對外是製造不必要的這個困擾那對內是干擾我們的外交決策的系統我必須強調人比制度更重要可是我剛剛說人比制度更重要的時候我們看一下PowerPoint我看到一個新聞上面有一個幕後就是說有人認為說吳釗燮比制度更重要有這樣相關的放話\n151138\t175243\t這是怎麼回事啊這樣的放話是個人意志還是體制的我不知道這個行為是妥不妥當部長你有沒有聽到相關的這個訊息啊我也是看媒體報導而已外交是一個人可以做的嗎外交是一個單一人物單一一個領導人物可以改變的事情嗎他是要全體人員一起做所以我真的是希望說如果還有這樣子的放話的話\n176853\t194429\t盡量是不要再出現不管是從哪一個單位我不管是國安、外交還是哪一個單位出來的這種私下放話為了個人的利益超過國家的利益是大可不必那第二點這樣的放話之外我更擔心的是什麼來下一頁有涉外人士將瘋傳媒指出\n201155\t230135\t他說因為總統不相信外交部公務員這是什麼樣的人敢這樣子的表示這是對外交體制的羞辱這是替總統在製造問題耶如果有這樣子的社會人士放出這樣子的話我希望他趕快修正因為包含我們的整個國家系統裡面我們是跟外交系統跟國防的體系我們是一起向前行這是一個團體作戰那不是個人之作戰有沒有人授權他們這麼說\n232455\t247843\t有沒有 這些有涉外人士嘛所以部長你覺得這個涉外人士是來自哪裡有誰授權這麼做這樣的說法嗎我們外交部就是在涉外嘛但是這個涉外人士並不是我們外交部啊不是我們外交部的系統出來的齁\n249013\t266020\t最好不要是喔 部長我們那如果不是外交系統出來的那會是哪一個系統我說外交部啦 就是因為我部長嘛我要帶領外交部 但是外交部就是都是職業外交官相當的 其實很多很優秀那這怎麼樣能夠讓他們發揮最大的功能\n267338\t282591\t我們就是總和外交就是在於避免比較個人化的外交我們是整個台灣國力的延伸然後我們很團結然後比如我們外管我們怎麼去強化外管在所謂涉外事務上它能夠打仗\n285333\t309945\t因為外交也是沒有煙消的戰爭事實上是每一天都很激烈所以我們應該去強化我們外館代表我們國家去進行社外的業務好 那我們下一頁部長我是希望就是說外交不是用來展現個人的舞台它是國家的舞台包含這種在社群平台上面外交部的社群平台就是外交部的\n310365\t338988\t不是個人的那這過去有一些我覺得比較不妥當的狀況那包含我們的前外長李大維前部長他也是在相關的他的自己的著作裡面有說管好你的推文嘛就說前總統有提到一些比較社群媒體比較活躍的人說管好他的推文那我也是希望說未來我們在推文上面是要展現我們台灣的韌性展現我們台灣的軟實力展現我們想要傳達給國際的立場而不是傳達個人的立場\n339508\t364083\t我想這點還是很重要沒有任何一個人能夠鄰駕團隊沒有任何一個人可以做一些他自己想做的事情而不在乎團隊跟國家國家的利益一定要大於自己個人的利益不要向上管理那要向外管理讓我們能夠開拓興趣這個我覺得這些都是非常重要的那我最後還是再提到部長我一個期許那過去我們有\n365104\t370644\t有幾個邦交國的離開了那有沒有想法未來有沒有辦法爭取邦交國\n373050\t400370\t我們12個邦交國目前關係都是很穩定啦那當然也有很多國家跟我們會交涉也希望台灣能夠跟他們發展關係那是我們期待這個都是大家基於就是彼此共同的理念跟利害關係建立的外交所以我回應委員就是說我們確實也很多國家\n401391\t420321\t跟台灣就是希望能夠來建立不管是正式的或是實質上的外交關係那我們也在朝這方面去努力謝謝部長那我再次強調那我藉這個公開的場合說如果社會人士想要再用這樣的方式放話的話那麼去當媒體人會比較適合不要在這邊來去破壞我國的團結\n421201\t449237\t那在這個外交人員的認免狀況我也有一個具體的建議其實我們很多外交的這些官員那他們其實要處理國政相關的不管是在經貿或者是政治的遊說等等其實已經花費很多心思那在行政業務上面如果他們也要來協助的話那對他們的這個負擔是很重的所以我們是具體希望部長是不是有可能針對外交行政人員行政歸行政那做一些外交體系的工作讓他們做外交體系的工作\n449997\t470193\t讓這樣子的分配工作讓我們的外交能力總和的能力能夠成長不知道部長你怎麼看確實我們因為現在總和外交的推動需要有新的組織跟運作的機制那我們在不管是員額的編制還有預算上都在做相應的檢討跟調整\n472455\t495708\t那我想過去當然就是其實外交官尤其是駐外他幾乎是全人什麼都要做但事實上排擠掉他很多在政務上的工作所以這個怎麼分流有一些可能透過雇員制度有些因為現在的專業領域除了外交你像對科技對文化其實這個我們舉個例子有一些當然政務大使是很多是特任\n499670\t509636\t所以讓我們外交人士的運用可以有一些彈性當然在尊重專業主義的原則下能夠發揮總和外交的目標\n510765\t530219\t政務歸政務 事務歸事務像美國有這個Foreign Service Act我想這個包括外交國防委員很多的委員也都曾經有這方面就是說怎麼樣針對外交就像國防也是很專業的領域嘛那外交也是能夠有一個通盤的檢討讓我們外交的能量可以充分的發揮我想會 再會請教這個委員們的意見好 謝謝部長好 謝謝陳冠廷委員 各位請回\n","txt":"麻煩召委請部長來 部長請委員好部長好部長您上任到現在大概多久了\n一年半吧一年半一年五個月那在這段時間你有看到外交工作都朝向正面的改變跟發展包含你的農幫計畫出訪11個友邦那他帶動的是經貿合作所以說讓我們的邦交國有感那你也促成很多重要的友邦人物來訪那相形之下你的前一任外交部長在吳釗燮部長在上任的同一段時間內他大概連丟了多米尼加布吉納法索薩爾瓦多等國\n那所以部長我很肯定你對總和外交的戰略方針也就是說你是在戰略上面從價值外交的基礎上再更加一步升級成這個價值的外交所以把我們的經貿實力把我們的科技實力全部都整合進去所以這一點我必須還是要來給這個部長跟所有的外交同仁來來好好的打氣那我要強調說\n吳釗燮前部長任內台灣先後跟八個國家斷交那對於外交體系上面還有出現我昨天特別在質詢國安局相關的人員的時候有出現這個共諜的事件那這一定程度的打擊我們的外交官的士氣那當然也會讓我們的這個社會大眾對責任政治會有展開一些疑問就是說為什麼這些政務官是不是忘記什麼叫做責任政治它不是一個口號它應該是要被落實的一個原則\n他不是向上管理他也不是對內鬥爭他應該是要開拓新局體制跟團體特別是外交部是一個大家庭來共同前行所以說實話在過去這幾年我是有點失望的那我也希望說從這個部長來展開你的任期的時候我希望外交戰略可以替外交人員來提升這個士氣可是我也是要坦白說最近有一些非常奇怪的現象似乎有人不希望台灣的外交更好\n各種涉外人士大家如果Google一下涉外人士然後查一下新聞各種放話是滿天杯它是對外是對外是製造不必要的這個困擾那對內是干擾我們的外交決策的系統我必須強調人比制度更重要可是我剛剛說人比制度更重要的時候我們看一下PowerPoint我看到一個新聞上面有一個幕後就是說有人認為說吳釗燮比制度更重要有這樣相關的放話\n這是怎麼回事啊這樣的放話是個人意志還是體制的我不知道這個行為是妥不妥當部長你有沒有聽到相關的這個訊息啊我也是看媒體報導而已外交是一個人可以做的嗎外交是一個單一人物單一一個領導人物可以改變的事情嗎他是要全體人員一起做所以我真的是希望說如果還有這樣子的放話的話\n盡量是不要再出現不管是從哪一個單位我不管是國安、外交還是哪一個單位出來的這種私下放話為了個人的利益超過國家的利益是大可不必那第二點這樣的放話之外我更擔心的是什麼來下一頁有涉外人士將瘋傳媒指出\n他說因為總統不相信外交部公務員這是什麼樣的人敢這樣子的表示這是對外交體制的羞辱這是替總統在製造問題耶如果有這樣子的社會人士放出這樣子的話我希望他趕快修正因為包含我們的整個國家系統裡面我們是跟外交系統跟國防的體系我們是一起向前行這是一個團體作戰那不是個人之作戰有沒有人授權他們這麼說\n有沒有 這些有涉外人士嘛所以部長你覺得這個涉外人士是來自哪裡有誰授權這麼做這樣的說法嗎我們外交部就是在涉外嘛但是這個涉外人士並不是我們外交部啊不是我們外交部的系統出來的齁\n最好不要是喔 部長我們那如果不是外交系統出來的那會是哪一個系統我說外交部啦 就是因為我部長嘛我要帶領外交部 但是外交部就是都是職業外交官相當的 其實很多很優秀那這怎麼樣能夠讓他們發揮最大的功能\n我們就是總和外交就是在於避免比較個人化的外交我們是整個台灣國力的延伸然後我們很團結然後比如我們外管我們怎麼去強化外管在所謂涉外事務上它能夠打仗\n因為外交也是沒有煙消的戰爭事實上是每一天都很激烈所以我們應該去強化我們外館代表我們國家去進行社外的業務好 那我們下一頁部長我是希望就是說外交不是用來展現個人的舞台它是國家的舞台包含這種在社群平台上面外交部的社群平台就是外交部的\n不是個人的那這過去有一些我覺得比較不妥當的狀況那包含我們的前外長李大維前部長他也是在相關的他的自己的著作裡面有說管好你的推文嘛就說前總統有提到一些比較社群媒體比較活躍的人說管好他的推文那我也是希望說未來我們在推文上面是要展現我們台灣的韌性展現我們台灣的軟實力展現我們想要傳達給國際的立場而不是傳達個人的立場\n我想這點還是很重要沒有任何一個人能夠鄰駕團隊沒有任何一個人可以做一些他自己想做的事情而不在乎團隊跟國家國家的利益一定要大於自己個人的利益不要向上管理那要向外管理讓我們能夠開拓興趣這個我覺得這些都是非常重要的那我最後還是再提到部長我一個期許那過去我們有\n有幾個邦交國的離開了那有沒有想法未來有沒有辦法爭取邦交國\n我們12個邦交國目前關係都是很穩定啦那當然也有很多國家跟我們會交涉也希望台灣能夠跟他們發展關係那是我們期待這個都是大家基於就是彼此共同的理念跟利害關係建立的外交所以我回應委員就是說我們確實也很多國家\n跟台灣就是希望能夠來建立不管是正式的或是實質上的外交關係那我們也在朝這方面去努力謝謝部長那我再次強調那我藉這個公開的場合說如果社會人士想要再用這樣的方式放話的話那麼去當媒體人會比較適合不要在這邊來去破壞我國的團結\n那在這個外交人員的認免狀況我也有一個具體的建議其實我們很多外交的這些官員那他們其實要處理國政相關的不管是在經貿或者是政治的遊說等等其實已經花費很多心思那在行政業務上面如果他們也要來協助的話那對他們的這個負擔是很重的所以我們是具體希望部長是不是有可能針對外交行政人員行政歸行政那做一些外交體系的工作讓他們做外交體系的工作\n讓這樣子的分配工作讓我們的外交能力總和的能力能夠成長不知道部長你怎麼看確實我們因為現在總和外交的推動需要有新的組織跟運作的機制那我們在不管是員額的編制還有預算上都在做相應的檢討跟調整\n那我想過去當然就是其實外交官尤其是駐外他幾乎是全人什麼都要做但事實上排擠掉他很多在政務上的工作所以這個怎麼分流有一些可能透過雇員制度有些因為現在的專業領域除了外交你像對科技對文化其實這個我們舉個例子有一些當然政務大使是很多是特任\n所以讓我們外交人士的運用可以有一些彈性當然在尊重專業主義的原則下能夠發揮總和外交的目標\n政務歸政務 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