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00:02:51,199\n而且德國這幾年來在我們之前的謝大使的努力之下現在是派駐歐盟德國對我們是非常友善的所以出現這樣的狀況會不會重點就是在於在認證政見上面的問題\n\n9\n00:02:53,848 --> 00:03:08,921\n我請市長講我們怎麼樣提供當事人的協助這個案子可能德芳我們現在的了解是說德芳在第一時間的時候照片跟他本人可能有一點差距但這是德芳的說法\n\n10\n00:03:10,002 --> 00:03:35,334\n我們會請外館外館已經本來持續在注意這件事我們也會請外館一定要跟德方釐清就是說到底是德方基於什麼樣的情況有造成這樣的誤解另外這位女士我們的印象是她有經過其他的國家轉機並不是從台灣直接飛過去對她是從曼谷飛法蘭克福\n\n11\n00:03:38,375 --> 00:03:57,328\n我想我們一定會把這個事情釐清非常清楚外館在第一時間也都有提供相關的協助我們也呼籲國人如果有碰到這樣的問題像鄭女士透過她的同事跟我們的急難救助打24小時急難救助電話\n\n12\n00:04:00,630 --> 00:04:15,566\n那如果國人將來有碰到這樣的事情我們也希望國人也能夠及時的跟我們的外館來通報那我們也會一定會去把他了解清楚提供協助因為這個部分如果這個訊息傳開來包括國人前往德國\n\n13\n00:04:16,127 --> 00:04:26,989\n也一定會影響恐慌那麼這個對於台德之間的關係絕對也不是一個好的訊息出來所以務必要做釐清好市長請回我要接下來就針對這個問題來延伸問部長就是我說真的啦就是這個年度喔因為114年度我們的國際行銷宣傳的1.1億全數被刪除尤其是國傳司的4070萬被刪除之後台灣的宣傳就變少了\n\n14\n00:04:44,673 --> 00:04:58,960\n台灣宣傳變少的同時代表什麼代表就是中國可以在國際上大鳴大放那麼我從剛剛的這個問題我要延伸的就是其實看到的是包括我們短暫的這個立院開議之前的開會之前的時間我們的\n\n15\n00:05:02,822 --> 00:05:07,646\n韓國瑜院長也到日本去做訪問然後江啟臣呢也副院長也跟這個部長您一起到捷克去針對故宮的國寶到國際來展示來做這個所謂算是一種宣傳我相信這個都是因為沒有錢以這個所謂窮則變變則通的方式來做國際宣傳但是我要強調的就是如果只要台灣被噤聲就會發生更多類似像剛剛我講的這樣的一個事件嘛\n\n16\n00:05:32,406 --> 00:05:53,991\n就是台灣跟中國不一樣但是即使如此你還是會被認為說你有可能是中國人或是你中國人假裝你是台灣人所以國際宣傳是非常重要的那麼我也看到你今年這個年度有希望把國際宣傳的預算編回來但是現在外界都認為說你是多編\n\n17\n00:05:55,251 --> 00:06:08,737\n我現在可以給部長一點時間來講我認為這是編回來應該不是多編吧因為去年1.1億是完全被砍光了是委員確實啦因為中國的這個大外宣是\n\n18\n00:06:09,949 --> 00:06:23,729\n無所不在那我們卻沒辦法發聲的話這個對傷害我們國家的利益那外交是超越黨派那這個部分尤其是中共最近的法律戰為什麼能夠那麼樣的就是一直在\n\n19\n00:06:25,892 --> 00:06:41,389\n就是可以說是擴大他的影響力是因為他配合的宣傳戰甚至是所謂的認知作戰那所以這個法律戰如果我們不去把它做平衡有我們的解釋那他就會變成台灣是中華人民共和國的部分他到時候武力犯台\n\n20\n00:06:42,210 --> 00:06:56,860\n就有合法的基礎所以這個都是環環相扣所以一億多的國際宣傳費用怎麼樣讓台灣的聲音讓國際聽見像台灣的形象很好可是在有些地方根本就不知道台灣是什麼\n\n21\n00:06:59,221 --> 00:07:19,313\n然後再加上中國強力宣傳台灣就是中國的一部分還有2758號的這個所謂被所謂誤用或者是誤導或扭曲其實很容易就讓外界認為台灣就是中國的尤其是如果我們現在又不宣傳在野黨又把這個費用砍掉那麼就完全震中中國紅心啊\n\n22\n00:07:19,963 --> 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主席有請外交部林部長以及我們歐洲司的黃師長\n7540\t31343\t部長稍後我會針對有關於我們國際宣傳費用全數刪除跟您做詢答但是我想要先問一個即時新聞所以特別請了黃師長上來喔因為師長可能會比較了解我剛剛看了一個中央社的最新新聞是台灣一位出版的正信出版人在13號凌晨結束了曼谷的行程前往德國的時候竟然在入境的時候遭到了德國海關\n32964\t52032\t扣押了四個小時而這個過程當中原因就是因為海關認為他跟護照上面的照片不一樣在經過掃描之後掃描不出來就把他帶走了而帶走的過程中我現在要講的重點就是他認為他是中國人\n53075\t70899\t而且是一位中國的女性通緝犯我們都知道其實在國際上面因為我們的外型再加上我們使用的語言相同所以其實很多時候即使我們拿出來的是中華民國台灣的綠色護照但是海關都會認為說不是你這個護照是假的\n73920\t82586\t那麼這個事件當然最後讓這一位正信的出版人是有驚無險的只是浪費了四個小時然後他安全離開他在告訴記者的過程當中他說他可能是因為在學生時代曾經有某一張這個連鎖的美妝店啦齁的這個會員卡因為後面有他的英文名字\n101540\t129218\t以至於德國的海關看得懂這個英文然後可能這個是唯一證明他的政見那麼像這樣的一個狀況齁我認為也許這個德國的海關他有所謂的執行過當的部分這個我不清楚所以等一下也請這個部長或是司長來做回應但是這樣的一個狀況是不是可以先請部長你先做一個說明為什麼會發生這樣的事情\n130698\t156457\t這個事情發生的時候 我們外管有接獲鄭女士的急難救助電話那也進行了解 調查 那也表達關心那當然後續的處理就如剛剛委員所講因為有一些認定的問題那這個之間因為涉及到證照我想請我們司長來做點補充說明就是為什麼 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市長請回我要接下來就針對這個問題來延伸問部長就是我說真的啦就是這個年度喔因為114年度我們的國際行銷宣傳的1.1億全數被刪除尤其是國傳司的4070萬被刪除之後台灣的宣傳就變少了\n284673\t298960\t台灣宣傳變少的同時代表什麼代表就是中國可以在國際上大鳴大放那麼我從剛剛的這個問題我要延伸的就是其實看到的是包括我們短暫的這個立院開議之前的開會之前的時間我們的\n302822\t307646\t韓國瑜院長也到日本去做訪問然後江啟臣呢也副院長也跟這個部長您一起到捷克去針對故宮的國寶到國際來展示來做這個所謂算是一種宣傳我相信這個都是因為沒有錢以這個所謂窮則變變則通的方式來做國際宣傳但是我要強調的就是如果只要台灣被噤聲就會發生更多類似像剛剛我講的這樣的一個事件嘛\n332406\t353991\t就是台灣跟中國不一樣但是即使如此你還是會被認為說你有可能是中國人或是你中國人假裝你是台灣人所以國際宣傳是非常重要的那麼我也看到你今年這個年度有希望把國際宣傳的預算編回來但是現在外界都認為說你是多編\n355251\t368737\t我現在可以給部長一點時間來講我認為這是編回來應該不是多編吧因為去年1.1億是完全被砍光了是委員確實啦因為中國的這個大外宣是\n369949\t383729\t無所不在那我們卻沒辦法發聲的話這個對傷害我們國家的利益那外交是超越黨派那這個部分尤其是中共最近的法律戰為什麼能夠那麼樣的就是一直在\n385892\t401389\t就是可以說是擴大他的影響力是因為他配合的宣傳戰甚至是所謂的認知作戰那所以這個法律戰如果我們不去把它做平衡有我們的解釋那他就會變成台灣是中華人民共和國的部分他到時候武力犯台\n402210\t416860\t就有合法的基礎所以這個都是環環相扣所以一億多的國際宣傳費用怎麼樣讓台灣的聲音讓國際聽見像台灣的形象很好可是在有些地方根本就不知道台灣是什麼\n419221\t439313\t然後再加上中國強力宣傳台灣就是中國的一部分還有2758號的這個所謂被所謂誤用或者是誤導或扭曲其實很容易就讓外界認為台灣就是中國的尤其是如果我們現在又不宣傳在野黨又把這個費用砍掉那麼就完全震中中國紅心啊\n439963\t460977\t尤其在全球南方包括最近召開了上河組織的這些國家我們台灣的聲音幾乎是很難進去所以這個時候必須要透過可能國際媒體或有一些比較有影響力的這些影音的平台我們只期待說既然我們做的那些內容如果沒有通路那效果還是零啊\n461647\t469392\t好 但部長我要追問最後一題因為時間有限喔就是我想在野黨當初砍預算的時候就直接認為啦這些錢你就是這個外銷要轉內銷要進行所謂的大內宣那麼我想要問的是有沒有什麼實際的數字可以讓我們知道是這些錢真的都是在做國際行銷是對外做宣傳\n481340\t503772\t我舉個例子 比如說像以大阪市博嘛 那韓院長也有率團跨黨派的國會議員去其實大阪市博辦了 我們怎麼樣讓他跟台灣鏈接這個就是很好 那包括韓院長去美國參加川普總統的就職典禮像這樣的事情其實都很值得 我想 是不是跨越黨派所以不會有什麼出口轉內銷 只要對台灣好 我想台灣人都會與有榮焉\n507054\t527116\t那我們最近的文化外交特別是歐洲這些文化活動都需要宣傳來擴大台灣的軟實力的影響好 那麼本席剛剛第一個詢問的有關於台灣人在德國所遇到的通關的問題的話那麼到時候再請外交部跟歐洲司再給我更進一步的說明好不好好 謝謝好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝主席 主席有請外交部林部長以及我們歐洲司的黃師長\n部長稍後我會針對有關於我們國際宣傳費用全數刪除跟您做詢答但是我想要先問一個即時新聞所以特別請了黃師長上來喔因為師長可能會比較了解我剛剛看了一個中央社的最新新聞是台灣一位出版的正信出版人在13號凌晨結束了曼谷的行程前往德國的時候竟然在入境的時候遭到了德國海關\n扣押了四個小時而這個過程當中原因就是因為海關認為他跟護照上面的照片不一樣在經過掃描之後掃描不出來就把他帶走了而帶走的過程中我現在要講的重點就是他認為他是中國人\n而且是一位中國的女性通緝犯我們都知道其實在國際上面因為我們的外型再加上我們使用的語言相同所以其實很多時候即使我們拿出來的是中華民國台灣的綠色護照但是海關都會認為說不是你這個護照是假的\n那麼這個事件當然最後讓這一位正信的出版人是有驚無險的只是浪費了四個小時然後他安全離開他在告訴記者的過程當中他說他可能是因為在學生時代曾經有某一張這個連鎖的美妝店啦齁的這個會員卡因為後面有他的英文名字\n以至於德國的海關看得懂這個英文然後可能這個是唯一證明他的政見那麼像這樣的一個狀況齁我認為也許這個德國的海關他有所謂的執行過當的部分這個我不清楚所以等一下也請這個部長或是司長來做回應但是這樣的一個狀況是不是可以先請部長你先做一個說明為什麼會發生這樣的事情\n這個事情發生的時候 我們外管有接獲鄭女士的急難救助電話那也進行了解 調查 那也表達關心那當然後續的處理就如剛剛委員所講因為有一些認定的問題那這個之間因為涉及到證照我想請我們司長來做點補充說明就是為什麼 因為德國是我想大家知道他是很依法行政的國家\n而且德國這幾年來在我們之前的謝大使的努力之下現在是派駐歐盟德國對我們是非常友善的所以出現這樣的狀況會不會重點就是在於在認證政見上面的問題\n我請市長講我們怎麼樣提供當事人的協助這個案子可能德芳我們現在的了解是說德芳在第一時間的時候照片跟他本人可能有一點差距但這是德芳的說法\n我們會請外館外館已經本來持續在注意這件事我們也會請外館一定要跟德方釐清就是說到底是德方基於什麼樣的情況有造成這樣的誤解另外這位女士我們的印象是她有經過其他的國家轉機並不是從台灣直接飛過去對 她是從曼谷飛法蘭克福\n我想我們一定會把這個事情釐清非常清楚外館在第一時間也都有提供相關的協助我們也呼籲國人如果有碰到這樣的問題像鄭女士透過她的同事跟我們的急難救助 打24小時急難救助電話\n那如果國人將來有碰到這樣的事情我們也希望國人也能夠及時的跟我們的外館來通報那我們也會一定會去把他了解清楚提供協助因為這個部分如果這個訊息傳開來包括國人前往德國\n也一定會影響恐慌那麼這個對於台德之間的關係絕對也不是一個好的訊息出來所以務必要做釐清好 市長請回我要接下來就針對這個問題來延伸問部長就是我說真的啦就是這個年度喔因為114年度我們的國際行銷宣傳的1.1億全數被刪除尤其是國傳司的4070萬被刪除之後台灣的宣傳就變少了\n台灣宣傳變少的同時代表什麼代表就是中國可以在國際上大鳴大放那麼我從剛剛的這個問題我要延伸的就是其實看到的是包括我們短暫的這個立院開議之前的開會之前的時間我們的\n韓國瑜院長也到日本去做訪問然後江啟臣呢也副院長也跟這個部長您一起到捷克去針對故宮的國寶到國際來展示來做這個所謂算是一種宣傳我相信這個都是因為沒有錢以這個所謂窮則變變則通的方式來做國際宣傳但是我要強調的就是如果只要台灣被噤聲就會發生更多類似像剛剛我講的這樣的一個事件嘛\n就是台灣跟中國不一樣但是即使如此你還是會被認為說你有可能是中國人或是你中國人假裝你是台灣人所以國際宣傳是非常重要的那麼我也看到你今年這個年度有希望把國際宣傳的預算編回來但是現在外界都認為說你是多編\n我現在可以給部長一點時間來講我認為這是編回來應該不是多編吧因為去年1.1億是完全被砍光了是委員確實啦因為中國的這個大外宣是\n無所不在那我們卻沒辦法發聲的話這個對傷害我們國家的利益那外交是超越黨派那這個部分尤其是中共最近的法律戰為什麼能夠那麼樣的就是一直在\n就是可以說是擴大他的影響力是因為他配合的宣傳戰甚至是所謂的認知作戰那所以這個法律戰如果我們不去把它做平衡有我們的解釋那他就會變成台灣是中華人民共和國的部分他到時候武力犯台\n就有合法的基礎所以這個都是環環相扣所以一億多的國際宣傳費用怎麼樣讓台灣的聲音讓國際聽見像台灣的形象很好可是在有些地方根本就不知道台灣是什麼\n然後再加上中國強力宣傳台灣就是中國的一部分還有2758號的這個所謂被所謂誤用或者是誤導或扭曲其實很容易就讓外界認為台灣就是中國的尤其是如果我們現在又不宣傳在野黨又把這個費用砍掉那麼就完全震中中國紅心啊\n尤其在全球南方包括最近召開了上河組織的這些國家我們台灣的聲音幾乎是很難進去所以這個時候必須要透過可能國際媒體或有一些比較有影響力的這些影音的平台我們只期待說既然我們做的那些內容如果沒有通路那效果還是零啊\n好 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02:09.218\n以至於德國的海關看得懂這個英文然後可能這個是唯一證明他的政見那麼像這樣的一個狀況齁我認為也許這個德國的海關他有所謂的執行過當的部分這個我不清楚所以等一下也請這個部長或是司長來做回應但是這樣的一個狀況是不是可以先請部長你先做一個說明為什麼會發生這樣的事情\n\n02:10.698 --> 02:36.457\n這個事情發生的時候我們外管有接獲鄭女士的急難救助電話那也進行了解調查那也表達關心那當然後續的處理就如剛剛委員所講因為有一些認定的問題那這個之間因為涉及到證照我想請我們司長來做點補充說明就是為什麼因為德國是我想大家知道他是很依法行政的國家\n\n02:36.917 --> 02:51.199\n而且德國這幾年來在我們之前的謝大使的努力之下現在是派駐歐盟德國對我們是非常友善的所以出現這樣的狀況會不會重點就是在於在認證政見上面的問題\n\n02:53.848 --> 03:08.921\n我請市長講我們怎麼樣提供當事人的協助這個案子可能德芳我們現在的了解是說德芳在第一時間的時候照片跟他本人可能有一點差距但這是德芳的說法\n\n03:10.002 --> 03:35.334\n我們會請外館外館已經本來持續在注意這件事我們也會請外館一定要跟德方釐清就是說到底是德方基於什麼樣的情況有造成這樣的誤解另外這位女士我們的印象是她有經過其他的國家轉機並不是從台灣直接飛過去對她是從曼谷飛法蘭克福\n\n03:38.375 --> 03:57.328\n我想我們一定會把這個事情釐清非常清楚外館在第一時間也都有提供相關的協助我們也呼籲國人如果有碰到這樣的問題像鄭女士透過她的同事跟我們的急難救助打24小時急難救助電話\n\n04:00.630 --> 04:15.566\n那如果國人將來有碰到這樣的事情我們也希望國人也能夠及時的跟我們的外館來通報那我們也會一定會去把他了解清楚提供協助因為這個部分如果這個訊息傳開來包括國人前往德國\n\n04:16.127 --> 04:26.989\n也一定會影響恐慌那麼這個對於台德之間的關係絕對也不是一個好的訊息出來所以務必要做釐清好市長請回我要接下來就針對這個問題來延伸問部長就是我說真的啦就是這個年度喔因為114年度我們的國際行銷宣傳的1.1億全數被刪除尤其是國傳司的4070萬被刪除之後台灣的宣傳就變少了\n\n04:44.673 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