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00:01:44,071\n再討論個三五年在下一屆恐怕都不見得提得出來是我們了解所以我們會盡快什麼時候半年內把這個就你們已經提成共識的在半年內把它提出來好不好因為我認為很多公平法不必不斷的補強才能面對社會不斷的改變不斷的因應社會的需要\n\n6\n00:01:44,651 --> 00:02:03,397\n半年內提出修法內容讓立法院來審議來通過有共識的提出來這個已經2023年這個兩年前就已經有提出預告的一個版本了然後去年也有院都已經也通過表示已經有一些有共識的東西了有共識的東西我認為應該要盡快提出來\n\n7\n00:02:03,857 --> 00:02:31,796\n但其他部分你們認為好補強好討論你們可以分階段性的修沒有關係但是不要為了要等待全部一個你們認為討論完整的而遲遲延宕的修法的進度好不好那個主委半年內我覺得委員的更替都不應該是理由啦因為公平委本來就是持續在進行當中的齁那我認為其實應該要盡速的把你們過去有共識的東西提出來修法主委可以嗎半年內把你們有共識的提出來好不好我們朝這個目標來做啦好\n\n8\n00:02:32,757 --> 00:02:55,548\n再我也請教一下這個現在很多的手機的遊戲他會利用假廣告來騙這個下載數啦因為比如像左下角這個左邊是廣告看起來吸引人但是進去之後真實的其實遊戲然後玩很多時候點免費的下載點了以後後來發現遊戲內容其實並不一樣這個部分公平會要不要去了解\n\n9\n00:02:56,789 --> 00:03:16,999\n我想這個部分是不是構成不實廣告我們可以進一步再去了解立案了解好嗎好不好立案了解因為它廣告的部分其實是並不是真實的它其實是要騙你進去點閱騙你去下載甚至騙你去做這個遊戲那有沒有涉及到不實的部分這個我希望公平會立案去調查好不好\n\n10\n00:03:17,059 --> 00:03:42,456\n因為這個初步看起來這裡面涉及的問題就是說他其實沒有賣東西他單純只是騙你進去下載但進去之後有可能在裡面賣東西了對有可能在裡面賣東西所以我說這裡面光廣告跟實際內容不實跟你進去之後有可能裡面會涉及到要不然他要賺什麼錢一方面當然賺你下載的一方面也賺這個點印一方面有可能在裡面也會產生一些需要你來\n\n11\n00:03:43,858 --> 00:04:02,738\n購買比如說有廣告跑啦但你不要廣告你就付費你可能就不用有廣告我例子說這個我希望公平會立案去做調查好嗎是是好可以嗎一個禮拜內立案調查好嗎可以好好再要請教一下傳銷事業這也是公平會很重視的之前有一個愛美直銷的部分這個吸金啊很多的苦主\n\n12\n00:04:03,419 --> 00:04:21,471\n都在批評但是現在我們發現這個愛美全球事業他另外還有一家的公司叫做愛美全球國際一樣的名稱地址一樣名稱一樣都叫愛美國際愛美全球只是一個叫愛美全球事業一個叫愛美全球國際\n\n13\n00:04:23,892 --> 00:04:40,587\n愛美全球事業是詐騙的被你們認定了詐騙處理了但是愛美全球國際還在繼續在高雄還在繼續在做其他的業務他在2024年把公平會註銷到他傳銷業務但是其他的繼續做這個部分公平會要不要繼續去查\n\n14\n00:04:41,775 --> 00:05:03,809\n我想我們去了解過了這基本上是兩家是不同的公司他們傳銷的商品也不太一樣兩家是不同的公司但是在同一個地址而且名稱都叫做愛美全球只是一個叫做愛美全球事業一個叫愛美全球國際兩家公司都在登記在同一個地址下面那個愛美全球我們已經立案再調查\n\n15\n00:05:04,349 --> 00:05:20,965\n好不好立案調查好不好我認為像很多的事情詐騙這麼嚴重的時候我希望公民會要更積極寧可嚴謹也不要很輕鬆的就放過去名稱不一樣啦就過去了他可能換了另外名稱用另外名稱繼續詐騙我已經講得非常清楚了\n\n16\n00:05:24,249 --> 00:05:37,989\n愛美全球的事業跟愛美全球國際愛美全球事業有限公司愛美全球國際有限公司地址一模一樣一個是詐騙已經確認了另外一間現在只是把他的傳銷註銷掉我認為要去調查\n\n17\n00:05:39,611 --> 00:06:03,036\n如果他是同一批人同一群人一樣在做同樣的事情的話你們應該積極的作為不要等到很多人被詐騙了之後然後才開始在處理這件事情我們會去調查好不好立案調查你要調查結果一樣一個禮拜內有一個出不掉的結果讓我知道一下好不好好我們讓委員知道另外歐盟跟美國現在都在認定蘋果稅就是說他們認為涉嫌到了違反數位市場法\n\n18\n00:06:04,476 --> 00:06:19,148\n這個罰了5億歐元大概170億台幣左右啦齁也就是說你一定要買這個蘋果你一定要用他的這個支付的方式才能夠支付那對於這個部分我們的公平會我們的政府有沒有什麼看法\n\n19\n00:06:21,542 --> 00:06:48,217\n苹果税的部分当然这方面我们有去了解那欧盟如同委员刚刚所讲欧盟是以违反的数位市场法这是一个特别针对数位平台所做的立法那当然我们国内目前我们没有数位市场法所以我们会在既有的公平交易法架构底下去了解它那数位市场苹果税的意思就是说它针对这个在里面消费的要抽30%还有15%那我们了解是说每一个厂商其实他抽的税比率是不一样\n\n20\n00:06:48,917 --> 00:07:11,193\n那你直接去對蘋果稅去用公平法處理的話當然每個國家的法律制度不一樣啦有些國家是刻有法律依據的但是在公平法的架構底下直接去以稅太高或是收的費用太高來介入的話在公平法裡面我們是比較傾向於就是說不要直接去干涉那個價格決定但是我們會關心這個所謂的蘋果AppStore裡面\n\n21\n00:07:11,713 --> 00:07:32,042\n相關的這些交易行為我的意思是說當我們越來越多人都使用蘋果的手機的時候那這樣的行為的時候當歐洲當美國都有認定都有在做處理的時候我們的政府應該要有所作為我們是有一些我們是有在進行了解其實有在調查我看到你們2022年其實有立案做了調查有結果嗎\n\n22\n00:07:32,802 --> 00:08:02,106\n有結果嗎現在還沒有結果但是快了主委我講的只是說2022年調查現在2025年三年調查過去了人家美國跟歐盟早就具體行為了啦那我們都立案調查三年過去了還在很快又有結果我認為這都太慢了我希望更快的有具體的行為來讓國人感受到我們政府對這件事情是有感而重視的美國跟歐盟已經在行動了而我們研議了討論了三年還在研議當中我希望\n\n23\n00:08:02,726 --> 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院都已經也通過表示已經有一些有共識的東西了有共識的東西我認為應該要盡快提出來\n123857\t151796\t但其他部分你們認為好補強好討論你們可以分階段性的修沒有關係但是不要為了要等待全部一個你們認為討論完整的而遲遲延宕的修法的進度好不好那個主委半年內我覺得委員的更替都不應該是理由啦因為公平委本來就是持續在進行當中的齁那我認為其實應該要盡速的把你們過去有共識的東西提出來修法主委可以嗎半年內把你們有共識的提出來好不好我們朝這個目標來做啦好\n152757\t175548\t再我也請教一下這個現在很多的手機的遊戲他會利用假廣告來騙這個下載數啦因為比如像左下角這個左邊是廣告看起來吸引人但是進去之後真實的其實遊戲然後玩很多時候點免費的下載點了以後後來發現遊戲內容其實並不一樣這個部分公平會要不要去了解\n176789\t196999\t我想這個部分是不是構成不實廣告我們可以進一步再去了解立案了解好嗎好不好立案了解因為它廣告的部分其實是並不是真實的它其實是要騙你進去點閱騙你去下載甚至騙你去做這個遊戲那有沒有涉及到不實的部分這個我希望公平會立案去調查好不好\n197059\t222456\t因為這個初步看起來這裡面涉及的問題就是說他其實沒有賣東西他單純只是騙你進去下載但進去之後有可能在裡面賣東西了對有可能在裡面賣東西所以我說這裡面光廣告跟實際內容不實跟你進去之後有可能裡面會涉及到要不然他要賺什麼錢一方面當然賺你下載的一方面也賺這個點印一方面有可能在裡面也會產生一些需要你來\n223858\t242738\t購買比如說有廣告跑啦但你不要廣告你就付費你可能就不用有廣告我例子說這個我希望公平會立案去做調查好嗎是是好可以嗎一個禮拜內立案調查好嗎可以好好再要請教一下傳銷事業這也是公平會很重視的之前有一個愛美直銷的部分這個吸金啊很多的苦主\n243419\t261471\t都在批評 但是現在我們發現這個愛美全球事業他另外還有一家的公司叫做愛美全球國際一樣的名稱 地址一樣名稱一樣都叫愛美國際 愛美全球只是一個叫愛美全球事業 一個叫愛美全球國際\n263892\t280587\t愛美全球事業是詐騙的被你們認定了 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Store裡面\n431713\t452042\t相關的這些交易行為我的意思是說當我們越來越多人都使用蘋果的手機的時候那這樣的行為的時候當歐洲當美國都有認定都有在做處理的時候我們的政府應該要有所作為我們是有一些我們是有在進行了解其實有在調查我看到你們2022年其實有立案做了調查有結果嗎\n452802\t482106\t有結果嗎現在還沒有結果但是快了主委我講的只是說2022年調查現在2025年三年調查過去了人家美國跟歐盟早就具體行為了啦那我們都立案調查三年過去了還在很快又有結果我認為這都太慢了我希望更快的有具體的行為來讓國人感受到我們政府對這件事情是有感而重視的美國跟歐盟已經在行動了而我們研議了討論了三年還在研議當中我希望\n482726\t512013\t我希望就如同剛剛講的我也希望在最短的時間內這半年內你剛剛說的半年內要提出相關修法該修的法該補強就補強公平我也要有作為讓人民感受到作為我認為這都是很好的方法主委是代理主委我認為其實這個時候是展現你作為很好的時候啦好不好我希望半年內該立的法該修的法把它完成同時我也希望半年內的時候我們跟參考歐盟跟美國我們認真來面對這樣的問題認真來思考這樣的制度好不好\n512394\t512414\t好 謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝召委 請陳主委我們請陳主委主委 先請教就是說公平會的那個白皮書已經發布三年了那當時的修法也有提出來修法那後來又撤回可不可以講一下為什麼那什麼時候要再來提出修法白皮書公佈以後其實我們內部的規章我們是有修改\n譬如說相關市場的建設事實上我們已經在做了那個對我們執法是有一些幫助修法的部分因為目前已經有委員更換屆期的關係所以我們現在重新再來那目前我們會內有修法小組我們還是持續在那預定什麼時候來提出修法\n這個我很難給委員一個具體的時間表但是我們已經開過會了我們現在目前要做的是要再重新彙整到底我們要修的條文是除了延續之前提出的版本之外我們要不要再多一點那我們再徵詢委員的意見\n這裡2023年的6月其實已經預告了那2024年也送院了那2025年的時候卻撤回了今天6月撤回那我是希望這個要有一定的時間點因為這個其實是一個延續修法絕對沒有一次全部都修到滿意完成就是應該是你覺得差不多的可以的大家有共識的應該提出來那還沒有共識的繼續討論不然這樣子\n再討論個三五年在下一屆恐怕都不見得提得出來是我們了解所以我們會盡快什麼時候半年內把這個就你們已經提成共識的在半年內把它提出來好不好因為我認為很多公平法不必不斷的補強才能面對社會不斷的改變不斷的因應社會的需要\n半年內提出修法內容讓立法院來審議來通過有共識的提出來這個已經2023年這個兩年前就已經有提出預告的一個版本了然後去年也有 院都已經也通過表示已經有一些有共識的東西了有共識的東西我認為應該要盡快提出來\n但其他部分你們認為好補強好討論你們可以分階段性的修沒有關係但是不要為了要等待全部一個你們認為討論完整的而遲遲延宕的修法的進度好不好那個主委半年內我覺得委員的更替都不應該是理由啦因為公平委本來就是持續在進行當中的齁那我認為其實應該要盡速的把你們過去有共識的東西提出來修法主委可以嗎半年內把你們有共識的提出來好不好我們朝這個目標來做啦好\n再我也請教一下這個現在很多的手機的遊戲他會利用假廣告來騙這個下載數啦因為比如像左下角這個左邊是廣告看起來吸引人但是進去之後真實的其實遊戲然後玩很多時候點免費的下載點了以後後來發現遊戲內容其實並不一樣這個部分公平會要不要去了解\n我想這個部分是不是構成不實廣告我們可以進一步再去了解立案了解好嗎好不好立案了解因為它廣告的部分其實是並不是真實的它其實是要騙你進去點閱騙你去下載甚至騙你去做這個遊戲那有沒有涉及到不實的部分這個我希望公平會立案去調查好不好\n因為這個初步看起來這裡面涉及的問題就是說他其實沒有賣東西他單純只是騙你進去下載但進去之後有可能在裡面賣東西了對有可能在裡面賣東西所以我說這裡面光廣告跟實際內容不實跟你進去之後有可能裡面會涉及到要不然他要賺什麼錢一方面當然賺你下載的一方面也賺這個點印一方面有可能在裡面也會產生一些需要你來\n購買比如說有廣告跑啦但你不要廣告你就付費你可能就不用有廣告我例子說這個我希望公平會立案去做調查好嗎是是好可以嗎一個禮拜內立案調查好嗎可以好好再要請教一下傳銷事業這也是公平會很重視的之前有一個愛美直銷的部分這個吸金啊很多的苦主\n都在批評 但是現在我們發現這個愛美全球事業他另外還有一家的公司叫做愛美全球國際一樣的名稱 地址一樣名稱一樣都叫愛美國際 愛美全球只是一個叫愛美全球事業 一個叫愛美全球國際\n愛美全球事業是詐騙的被你們認定了 詐騙處理了但是愛美全球國際還在繼續在高雄還在繼續在做其他的業務他在2024年把公平會註銷到他傳銷業務但是其他的繼續做這個部分公平會要不要繼續去查\n我想我們去了解過了這基本上是兩家是不同的公司他們傳銷的商品也不太一樣兩家是不同的公司但是在同一個地址而且名稱都叫做愛美全球只是一個叫做愛美全球事業一個叫愛美全球國際兩家公司都在登記在同一個地址下面那個愛美全球我們已經立案再調查\n好不好立案調查好不好我認為像很多的事情詐騙這麼嚴重的時候我希望公民會要更積極寧可嚴謹也不要很輕鬆的就放過去名稱不一樣啦就過去了他可能換了另外名稱用另外名稱繼續詐騙我已經講得非常清楚了\n愛美全球的事業跟愛美全球國際愛美全球事業有限公司愛美全球國際有限公司地址一模一樣一個是詐騙已經確認了另外一間現在只是把他的傳銷註銷掉我認為要去調查\n如果他是同一批人同一群人一樣在做同樣的事情的話你們應該積極的作為不要等到很多人被詐騙了之後然後才開始在處理這件事情我們會去調查好不好立案調查你要調查結果一樣一個禮拜內有一個出不掉的結果讓我知道一下好不好好我們讓委員知道另外歐盟跟美國現在都在認定蘋果稅就是說他們認為涉嫌到了違反數位市場法\n這個罰了5億歐元大概170億台幣左右啦齁也就是說你一定要買這個蘋果你一定要用他的這個支付的方式才能夠支付那對於這個部分我們的公平會我們的政府有沒有什麼看法\n苹果税的部分当然这方面我们有去了解那欧盟如同委员刚刚所讲欧盟是以违反的数位市场法这是一个特别针对数位平台所做的立法那当然我们国内目前我们没有数位市场法所以我们会在既有的公平交易法架构底下去了解它那数位市场苹果税的意思就是说它针对这个在里面消费的要抽30%还有15%那我们了解是说每一个厂商其实他抽的税比率是不一样\n那你直接去對蘋果稅去用公平法處理的話當然每個國家的法律制度不一樣啦有些國家是刻有法律依據的但是在公平法的架構底下直接去以稅太高或是收的費用太高來介入的話在公平法裡面我們是比較傾向於就是說不要直接去干涉那個價格決定但是我們會關心這個所謂的蘋果App 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