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00:01:14,010\n其實這個演變裡面啊你仔細看到台灣的詐騙集團所有的子資有很多都是根據多層次行銷在做事一層一層的缺乏那今天這個問題資訊時代那麼發達\n\n4\n00:01:17,412 --> 00:01:35,026\n那我們的網路行銷或是電商已經這麼普及了所以你這個多層次的行銷我覺得人都能接受網路的行銷各方面這個不要多層次\n\n5\n00:01:35,746 --> 00:02:00,849\n不一定要學一個美國人美國公司安利公司所帶來的因為以前我們是他們講什麼我們做什麼我認為多層次的行銷稍微改一改名次改一改定都兩層三層不然這種惡劣的風氣不時的現在一直存在考慮一下基本的原因在這個地方你看我怎麼樣\n\n6\n00:02:02,311 --> 00:02:22,824\n現在資訊是很快的我知道跟委員報告一下這業者要用幾成來行銷這是我想業者營業資源我真的講該改的時候改這有時候引起了很多投資的詐騙其實這個根源都在從這邊發生了大家了解這個結果好好考慮好好構思好好改變\n\n7\n00:02:24,048 --> 00:02:36,154\n我們基本上都有在監管你都有我相信你不然你現在會留著當代理執委什麼時候要升如果提名的人選像你這樣的話我們就會直指通過了好不好再來你們只要公平教育法裡面遏止\n\n8\n00:02:48,614 --> 00:03:09,409\n限制的競爭不公平的競爭其實高通事件我一直在講這個世界越大的公司台灣都不敢得罪什麼就好像高通現在在中國大陸被調查歐洲也跟他罰款日本也跟他罰款韓國也跟他罰款只有台灣最特別\n\n9\n00:03:11,345 --> 00:03:31,033\n划了7億美金210億你曉得高通在台灣的對手聯化科四星沒有得到補治7億美金他說用來補償那這個案子啊已經大概在112年結束了那我們政府也沒有擔當\n\n10\n00:03:33,726 --> 00:03:55,842\n國科會經濟部國科會政府說很好他帶來很大的利益美國人是很現實的是講利益的所有200多億要是給台灣幾家公司來做來研發還留在台灣你們寫出來的報告裡面到底實際的成效是怎樣國科會講好\n\n11\n00:03:59,769 --> 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