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00:00:01,940\n楊瓊發言邀請部長我們請莊部長\n\n2\n00:00:09,761 --> 00:00:34,719\n委員好謝謝部長好辛苦了我們因應整個國際情勢強化經濟社會以及民生國安任性特別條例的預算在財政委員會審查那週二朝野達成共識我們預計要在明天17號來完成三讀的一個程序所以首先我請教我們部長如果明天完成了三讀之後你預計民眾什麼時候可以領到一萬元現金\n\n3\n00:00:39,182 --> 00:00:46,164\n跟委員報告明天大院三讀通過之後還要送請總統公佈是那總統公佈的那當天財政部在也會和行政院會開記者會會跟社會大眾報告每一個時間點不同的領取方式會在什麼時間點都會做詳細報告那我們也會我們的準備作業都已經進行當中我們也相信我們會以最快的速度讓民眾可以領到這個一萬塊\n\n4\n00:01:09,111 --> 00:01:24,642\n謝謝謝謝你的落實質詢因為上一次我們在院會質詢的時候我本席也特別提出我們必須要同步去進行是的那剛剛聽到部長你所說的說明也就是有落實同步在進行\n\n5\n00:01:25,422 --> 00:01:46,924\n那同時本席要請教也就是你在上個月的時候也表示這一次的發放跟去年是相同那你規劃了這五大管道登記入帳ATM領用郵局領現直接入帳照冊發放你到目前為止你們所做的規劃是不是仍舊這五大方案呢\n\n6\n00:01:48,085 --> 00:02:03,403\n是的我們還是用這五種方式這五種方式來讓民眾可以用最方便的方式領到這一萬塊好那所以在可以登記入帳的指定網站那你目前架設的進度是如何呢\n\n7\n00:02:04,243 --> 00:02:10,667\n架設的部分我們相關的系統已經完成也都一直在積極的測試那我們希望民眾可以能夠順利的登錄那當然未來我們避免就是說同一個時間一開放以後太多的人進去我們可能會規劃分流的方式怎麼去分流這個就是本席提問這個的重點必須要趕快趁這個時間研擬也就同步再測試同步再研擬那也會很清楚的告訴民眾怎麼樣分流\n\n8\n00:02:32,458 --> 00:02:54,821\n因為這一段時間部長我不知道您有沒有這個訊息已經有不少的假冒網站釣魚簡訊都已經出籠了那許多的民眾也遭到這個詐騙那我們政府本來就應當要有正確的訊息來告訴民眾才不會受騙因為明天就要三讀通過\n\n9\n00:02:55,862 --> 00:03:06,350\n通過之後更是詐騙的金黃旗金華旗所以這一點我也勿請財政部呢必須要好好的去宣導告訴民眾\n\n10\n00:03:09,365 --> 00:03:15,370\n我們第一個要加強宣導同時我們這一次的小組裡面還有一個打擊詐欺組那也跟委員報告您看從9月12號到10月2號已經通報下架有48件的詐騙廣告還有12個社群的帳號另外有三組涉及的網站已經停止把它架設下來整個是無孔不入都一直在做所以我們會跟刑事警察局一起來做而且要去\n\n11\n00:03:35,126 --> 00:04:01,578\n所以說抓出這裡面的主謀對部長你現在所說的光光這一支數據就讓人憂心但是這是顯性隱性的更多所以本席才要提出說你必須要給民眾說明清楚對說明清楚而且要告訴詐騙的人不要僥倖我們一定會查到的對我們要當好人啊不能當好人大家一起來當好人不能詐騙也不能被詐對是的那接下來本席要跟您請教的是才華華\n\n12\n00:04:03,175 --> 00:04:19,645\n財化法呢你現在政府一直以修法為理由來大砍地方的補助款那以我們台中為例最明顯的你砍了我們的地方捷運這是已經約定好說好的大家依照比例\n\n13\n00:04:20,726 --> 00:04:46,018\n那麼依照比例之後你必須像明年要給我們台中市政府是協助42億但是現在中央卻通知是1.6億所以去年底完成的這個財務法你不只是不予履行而且讓地方該拿回的財源你又是爛砍所以在這種情況之下過去\n\n14\n00:04:48,119 --> 00:05:06,355\n現在的執政黨民進黨也一直大力批評裁判法是不公的包括民進黨的委員也提出了修法都認為這是必須要修的所以本席請教從開始行政院認為是最好的\n\n15\n00:05:07,176 --> 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