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00:00:32,486\n好部長早我希望在今天討論這個圍牢家情之前講一下昨天這個北車的事情因為北車的性侵案昨天其實引發台灣社會的嘩然那我最驚訝的是兩點第一個是它發生的時間是在連假前的人潮非常多的下午四點\n\n3\n00:00:33,487 --> 00:00:52,242\n那在這麼光天化日之下人來人往的台北車站竟然發生這麼這麼直接的性侵案然後人來人往的人這麼多但是大家都沒有上前伸出援手但我覺得這不是誰的問題而是這個現象讓人蠻難過的而且讓人覺得到底要\n\n4\n00:00:58,007 --> 00:01:10,968\n怎麼樣才可以避免這樣的情況再發生所以第一個我想要請教的是因為第一時間我在網路上也看到其實有很多的影像已經外流那代表說有可能第一個有可能是台鐵的監視器的畫面\n\n5\n00:01:12,256 --> 00:01:40,017\n那當然第一時間台鐵說那個不是監視器的畫面外流他們絕對沒有提供任何非警政單位之外的人士那代表說現場可能有人是在拍的那可能現場的民眾拍一拍竟然不是協助說上前制止而是在網路上這樣到處流竄所以第一個我想請教的是像這樣子的外流性影像你們有沒有已經掌握把它封鎖把它下架把它把這樣子的畫面\n\n6\n00:01:41,858 --> 00:01:50,335\n阻止不要再外流了呢是謝謝黃委員的關心在第一時間我們發現這個狀況的時候已經要求警政的同仁要處理這一塊\n\n7\n00:01:51,189 --> 00:02:13,368\n因為這樣的部分對於受害者或是對於我們整個的社會上都不是一個正面的影響那相關的部分我是不是請署長跟您回應一下好請署長好阿偉那對於這個影像的流傳我們第一時間就是要下降跟屏蔽這個部分我們會來處理那至於再去做這樣的一個散播的行為我們會進入去做了解跟偵查那我們\n\n8\n00:02:16,631 --> 00:02:37,933\n我想就是這個都不是透過這個公家的系統不是透過警政也不是透過這個台鐵的系統流出去可能這是民眾拍攝的那這是一個非常要不得的這個行為我們也呼籲不要有這種狀況來產生那對於這樣的一個狀況我們第一時間就是會做下架以及做屏蔽的一個作為\n\n9\n00:02:38,717 --> 00:03:05,655\n好謝謝那我今天會特別在這邊講也是希望呼籲台灣的社會像這樣子的性影像絕對不要再協助散播了這個對當事人來說都是非常難堪的二次傷害這個要拜託那另外一件事情就是即便台鐵這麼人來人往人潮擁擠的地方感覺已經相對安全了可是大家還是覺得是不是有死角怎麼會讓這樣子一個性侵犯可以直接得逞\n\n10\n00:03:06,756 --> 00:03:29,396\n那像這樣子有沒有死角的問題我們要如何避免跟委員報告就是這個案件發生之後我們有做這個台鐵的一個全面的一個去做檢討對於是不是屬於一個死角都有鐵路檢查局跟這個台鐵的戰方以及保全這三方面去做一個研議然後做這一些一個\n\n11\n00:03:30,377 --> 00:03:48,726\n注点的一个增加就守望的增加以及见景率来保障这个旅客的安全我想请民众放心那我想也是要在这个场合做呼吁也就是说台铁那个地方不是一个喝酒饮酒的一个地方这是因为这个可能就是喝了酒之后\n\n12\n00:03:50,550 --> 00:04:01,872\n這個酒醉之後的一個狀況我想這個是一個公共的一個場所我們也呼籲就是那個場所不能在那邊飲酒作樂什麼這方面你們呼籲這個是要禁止的\n\n13\n00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:27,598\n好啦那當然不論他有沒有飲酒他的行為是什麼只要是性犯罪就是罪大惡極就是必須要繩之以法這個拜託請你們加強處理好那再來我要請教一下這個危老津貼的事情啊呃看起來是原本因為你們其實有把這個駐地外的納入要把這個危老危老津貼加急有放進去\n\n14\n00:04:27,958 --> 00:04:36,227\n那現在是希望可以進一步的把只要是外勤不論是他在值班他是在背勤的狀態的這些人員也都納入然後讓這個範圍可以擴大我們的目標是這樣對嗎對的好\n\n15\n00:04:42,915 --> 00:05:06,884\n那當然我希望這個看起來是還有一些縣市還在研議當中沒有確定說要不要支持這個方案所以我也希望我們內政部可以盡快的讓所有縣市可不可以告訴大家現在有哪幾個縣市還在研議或者是他們還沒有辦法做決定的因為我認為這個對警察人員來說應該是非常重要的支持\n\n16\n00:05:08,207 --> 00:05:30,329\n目前大概就是說嚴厲的大概只有兩個縣市那其他的大概是大部分都是同意但是有部分是同意要由中央來做一個付款我們會再持續再加強這個政策的勾有一些可能縣市可能還不是很清楚我們再進一步的再做一個溝通\n\n17\n00:05:30,649 --> 00:05:48,362\n我相信這是一個好的政策啦也希望所有的縣市都可以支持那所以所以你們不願在這邊告訴大家是哪幾個縣市沒有關係你們覺得會對縣市來說有壓力那至少要讓大家知道說有一些縣市並沒有還沒有接受你們這樣政策的提案\n\n18\n00:05:48,942 --> 00:06:15,094\n那我在这边也呼吁这是一个好的政策应该要让所有的外勤人员都可以拿到围牢津贴好吗再拜托你们好的谢谢那最后一点点时间我想要请教部长因为我们知道说现在的围牢家籍里面警勤家籍里面给警察消防海巡空勤然后移民等等都有这样子的家籍可是繁重的加成只有在双北\n\n19\n00:06:15,774 --> 00:06:35,477\n那過去其實我們高雄市也不斷地在倡議說是不是不是只有在雙北而是說可以達到百分之百的只有在雙北那我們高雄市其實也提議過很多次也跟中央呼籲過很多次我們的只有七成這樣子目前的繁重的加成可不可以再往上加\n\n20\n00:06:36,078 --> 00:06:42,782\n因為高雄市的警察也很辛苦我們土地面積這麼大我們要守護的範圍也非常廣然後平均的服刑時間也沒有比較少是謝謝委員的關心其實回歸到原來的自助面的部分站在我們的立場我們都不會反對但是還是要回歸到說地方政府他在支出的時候他的這個經費預算上面要怎麼給予比較好\n\n21\n00:07:02,674 --> 00:07:20,667\n那所以到目前為止是六都都有繁重加擠那非六都比較沒有那我自己也訪問了相當多非六都的這個縣市首長他們的意思是說如果你們把繁重加擠加上去那中央要買單那我想這樣子可能跟我們原來在這個經費的給予上面是比較不符合我們的體力\n\n22\n00:07:21,087 --> 00:07:46,516\n那我們會盡量來溝通那如果盡量能夠溝通的話就是像剛剛黃委員所說的如果原來在桃園台中台南高雄他只有加原來的七成那能不能修正到一倍那目前我們的中央單位大概都可以理解這個狀況可是還是希望我們多跟這個縣市地方政府來溝通那如果願意加成到一倍的話呢對於各地的縣市的警察來講會比較好\n\n23\n00:07:48,237 --> 00:08:13,470\n那也減少說因為加成比較多然後大家都會往加成多的地方去移動那加成比較少人數就比較少除非說有特殊的原因會留在原地的就比較少那這方面可能會造成一種另外一種的不太平衡不一定說公平不太平衡的狀況可是還是一樣就是縣市地方政府他們願意體諒辛苦的景消同仁的話願意加成越多\n\n24\n00:08:14,150 --> 00:08:31,620\n那只要合乎人事跟權序上面的相關的這個條件跟標準的話其實我們都贊成好謝謝部長的承諾那這個也拜託你們再溝通那當然跟任總這邊也拜託再溝通到底支出的部分要怎麼處理比較好好在這邊以上我來幫警察來發聲謝謝謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1178\t3123\t好 謝主席 我們先請劉部長請劉部長\n10303\t32486\t好部長早 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謝謝那我今天會特別在這邊講也是希望呼籲台灣的社會像這樣子的性影像絕對不要再協助散播了這個對當事人來說都是非常難堪的二次傷害這個要拜託那另外一件事情就是即便台鐵這麼人來人往人潮擁擠的地方感覺已經相對安全了可是大家還是覺得是不是有死角怎麼會讓這樣子一個性侵犯可以直接得逞\n186756\t209396\t那像這樣子有沒有死角的問題我們要如何避免跟委員報告就是這個案件發生之後我們有做這個台鐵的一個全面的一個去做檢討對於是不是屬於一個死角都有鐵路檢查局跟這個台鐵的戰方以及保全這三方面去做一個研議然後做這一些一個\n210377\t228726\t注点的一个增加就守望的增加以及见景率来保障这个旅客的安全我想请民众放心那我想也是要在这个场合做呼吁也就是说台铁那个地方不是一个喝酒饮酒的一个地方这是因为这个可能就是喝了酒之后\n230550\t241872\t這個酒醉之後的一個狀況我想這個是一個公共的一個場所我們也呼籲就是那個場所不能在那邊飲酒作樂什麼這方面你們呼籲這個是要禁止的\n242520\t267598\t好啦那當然不論他有沒有飲酒他的行為是什麼只要是性犯罪就是罪大惡極就是必須要繩之以法這個拜託請你們加強處理好那再來我要請教一下這個危老津貼的事情啊呃看起來是原本因為你們其實有把這個駐地外的納入要把這個危老危老津貼加急有放進去\n267958\t276227\t那現在是希望可以進一步的把只要是外勤不論是他在值班他是在背勤的狀態的這些人員也都納入然後讓這個範圍可以擴大我們的目標是這樣對嗎對的好\n282915\t306884\t那當然我希望這個看起來是還有一些縣市還在研議當中沒有確定說要不要支持這個方案所以我也希望我們內政部可以盡快的讓所有縣市可不可以告訴大家現在有哪幾個縣市還在研議或者是他們還沒有辦法做決定的因為我認為這個對警察人員來說應該是非常重要的支持\n308207\t330329\t目前大概就是說嚴厲的大概只有兩個縣市那其他的大概是大部分都是同意但是有部分是同意要由中央來做一個付款我們會再持續再加強這個政策的勾有一些可能縣市可能還不是很清楚我們再進一步的再做一個溝通\n330649\t348362\t我相信這是一個好的政策啦也希望所有的縣市都可以支持那所以所以你們不願在這邊告訴大家是哪幾個縣市沒有關係你們覺得會對縣市來說有壓力那至少要讓大家知道說有一些縣市並沒有還沒有接受你們這樣政策的提案\n348942\t375094\t那我在这边也呼吁这是一个好的政策应该要让所有的外勤人员都可以拿到围牢津贴好吗再拜托你们好的谢谢那最后一点点时间我想要请教部长因为我们知道说现在的围牢家籍里面警勤家籍里面给警察消防海巡空勤然后移民等等都有这样子的家籍可是繁重的加成只有在双北\n375774\t395477\t那過去其實我們高雄市也不斷地在倡議說是不是不是只有在雙北而是說可以達到百分之百的只有在雙北那我們高雄市其實也提議過很多次也跟中央呼籲過很多次我們的只有七成這樣子目前的繁重的加成可不可以再往上加\n396078\t402782\t因為高雄市的警察也很辛苦我們土地面積這麼大我們要守護的範圍也非常廣然後平均的服刑時間也沒有比較少是 謝謝委員的關心其實回歸到原來的自助面的部分站在我們的立場我們都不會反對但是還是要回歸到說地方政府他在支出的時候他的這個經費預算上面要怎麼給予比較好\n422674\t440667\t那所以到目前為止是六都都有繁重加擠那非六都比較沒有那我自己也訪問了相當多非六都的這個縣市首長他們的意思是說如果你們把繁重加擠加上去那中央要買單那我想這樣子可能跟我們原來在這個經費的給予上面是比較不符合我們的體力\n441087\t466516\t那我們會盡量來溝通那如果盡量能夠溝通的話就是像剛剛黃委員所說的如果原來在桃園台中台南高雄他只有加原來的七成那能不能修正到一倍那目前我們的中央單位大概都可以理解這個狀況可是還是希望我們多跟這個縣市地方政府來溝通那如果願意加成到一倍的話呢對於各地的縣市的警察來講會比較好\n468237\t493470\t那也減少說因為加成比較多然後大家都會往加成多的地方去移動那加成比較少人數就比較少除非說有特殊的原因會留在原地的就比較少那這方面可能會造成一種另外一種的不太平衡不一定說公平不太平衡的狀況可是還是一樣就是縣市地方政府他們願意體諒辛苦的景消同仁的話願意加成越多\n494150\t511620\t那只要合乎人事跟權序上面的相關的這個條件跟標準的話其實我們都贊成好謝謝部長的承諾那這個也拜託你們再溝通那當然跟任總這邊也拜託再溝通到底支出的部分要怎麼處理比較好好在這邊以上我來幫警察來發聲謝謝謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝主席 我們先請劉部長請劉部長\n好部長早 我希望在今天討論這個圍牢家情之前講一下昨天這個北車的事情因為北車的性侵案昨天其實引發台灣社會的嘩然那我最驚訝的是兩點第一個是它發生的時間是在連假前的人潮非常多的下午四點\n那在這麼光天化日之下人來人往的台北車站竟然發生這麼這麼直接的性侵案然後人來人往的人這麼多但是大家都沒有上前伸出援手但我覺得這不是誰的問題而是這個現象讓人蠻難過的而且讓人覺得到底要\n怎麼樣才可以避免這樣的情況再發生所以第一個我想要請教的是因為第一時間我在網路上也看到其實有很多的影像已經外流那代表說有可能第一個有可能是台鐵的監視器的畫面\n那當然第一時間台鐵說那個不是監視器的畫面外流他們絕對沒有提供任何非警政單位之外的人士那代表說現場可能有人是在拍的那可能現場的民眾拍一拍竟然不是協助說上前制止而是在網路上這樣到處流竄所以第一個我想請教的是像這樣子的外流性影像你們有沒有已經掌握把它封鎖把它下架把它把這樣子的畫面\n阻止不要再外流了呢是謝謝黃委員的關心在第一時間我們發現這個狀況的時候已經要求警政的同仁要處理這一塊\n因為這樣的部分對於受害者或是對於我們整個的社會上都不是一個正面的影響那相關的部分我是不是請署長跟您回應一下好 請署長好 阿偉那對於這個影像的流傳我們第一時間就是要下降跟屏蔽這個部分我們會來處理那至於再去做這樣的一個散播的行為我們會進入去做了解跟偵查那我們\n我想就是這個都不是透過這個公家的系統不是透過警政也不是透過這個台鐵的系統流出去可能這是民眾拍攝的那這是一個非常要不得的這個行為我們也呼籲不要有這種狀況來產生那對於這樣的一個狀況我們第一時間就是會做下架以及做屏蔽的一個作為\n好 謝謝那我今天會特別在這邊講也是希望呼籲台灣的社會像這樣子的性影像絕對不要再協助散播了這個對當事人來說都是非常難堪的二次傷害這個要拜託那另外一件事情就是即便台鐵這麼人來人往人潮擁擠的地方感覺已經相對安全了可是大家還是覺得是不是有死角怎麼會讓這樣子一個性侵犯可以直接得逞\n那像這樣子有沒有死角的問題我們要如何避免跟委員報告就是這個案件發生之後我們有做這個台鐵的一個全面的一個去做檢討對於是不是屬於一個死角都有鐵路檢查局跟這個台鐵的戰方以及保全這三方面去做一個研議然後做這一些一個\n注点的一个增加就守望的增加以及见景率来保障这个旅客的安全我想请民众放心那我想也是要在这个场合做呼吁也就是说台铁那个地方不是一个喝酒饮酒的一个地方这是因为这个可能就是喝了酒之后\n這個酒醉之後的一個狀況我想這個是一個公共的一個場所我們也呼籲就是那個場所不能在那邊飲酒作樂什麼這方面你們呼籲這個是要禁止的\n好啦那當然不論他有沒有飲酒他的行為是什麼只要是性犯罪就是罪大惡極就是必須要繩之以法這個拜託請你們加強處理好那再來我要請教一下這個危老津貼的事情啊呃看起來是原本因為你們其實有把這個駐地外的納入要把這個危老危老津貼加急有放進去\n那現在是希望可以進一步的把只要是外勤不論是他在值班他是在背勤的狀態的這些人員也都納入然後讓這個範圍可以擴大我們的目標是這樣對嗎對的好\n那當然我希望這個看起來是還有一些縣市還在研議當中沒有確定說要不要支持這個方案所以我也希望我們內政部可以盡快的讓所有縣市可不可以告訴大家現在有哪幾個縣市還在研議或者是他們還沒有辦法做決定的因為我認為這個對警察人員來說應該是非常重要的支持\n目前大概就是說嚴厲的大概只有兩個縣市那其他的大概是大部分都是同意但是有部分是同意要由中央來做一個付款我們會再持續再加強這個政策的勾有一些可能縣市可能還不是很清楚我們再進一步的再做一個溝通\n我相信這是一個好的政策啦也希望所有的縣市都可以支持那所以所以你們不願在這邊告訴大家是哪幾個縣市沒有關係你們覺得會對縣市來說有壓力那至少要讓大家知道說有一些縣市並沒有還沒有接受你們這樣政策的提案\n那我在这边也呼吁这是一个好的政策应该要让所有的外勤人员都可以拿到围牢津贴好吗再拜托你们好的谢谢那最后一点点时间我想要请教部长因为我们知道说现在的围牢家籍里面警勤家籍里面给警察消防海巡空勤然后移民等等都有这样子的家籍可是繁重的加成只有在双北\n那過去其實我們高雄市也不斷地在倡議說是不是不是只有在雙北而是說可以達到百分之百的只有在雙北那我們高雄市其實也提議過很多次也跟中央呼籲過很多次我們的只有七成這樣子目前的繁重的加成可不可以再往上加\n因為高雄市的警察也很辛苦我們土地面積這麼大我們要守護的範圍也非常廣然後平均的服刑時間也沒有比較少是 謝謝委員的關心其實回歸到原來的自助面的部分站在我們的立場我們都不會反對但是還是要回歸到說地方政府他在支出的時候他的這個經費預算上面要怎麼給予比較好\n那所以到目前為止是六都都有繁重加擠那非六都比較沒有那我自己也訪問了相當多非六都的這個縣市首長他們的意思是說如果你們把繁重加擠加上去那中央要買單那我想這樣子可能跟我們原來在這個經費的給予上面是比較不符合我們的體力\n那我們會盡量來溝通那如果盡量能夠溝通的話就是像剛剛黃委員所說的如果原來在桃園台中台南高雄他只有加原來的七成那能不能修正到一倍那目前我們的中央單位大概都可以理解這個狀況可是還是希望我們多跟這個縣市地方政府來溝通那如果願意加成到一倍的話呢對於各地的縣市的警察來講會比較好\n那也減少說因為加成比較多然後大家都會往加成多的地方去移動那加成比較少人數就比較少除非說有特殊的原因會留在原地的就比較少那這方面可能會造成一種另外一種的不太平衡不一定說公平不太平衡的狀況可是還是一樣就是縣市地方政府他們願意體諒辛苦的景消同仁的話願意加成越多\n那只要合乎人事跟權序上面的相關的這個條件跟標準的話其實我們都贊成好謝謝部長的承諾那這個也拜託你們再溝通那當然跟任總這邊也拜託再溝通到底支出的部分要怎麼處理比較好好在這邊以上我來幫警察來發聲謝謝謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.178 --> 00:03.123\n好謝主席我們先請劉部長請劉部長\n\n00:10.303 --> 00:32.486\n好部長早我希望在今天討論這個圍牢家情之前講一下昨天這個北車的事情因為北車的性侵案昨天其實引發台灣社會的嘩然那我最驚訝的是兩點第一個是它發生的時間是在連假前的人潮非常多的下午四點\n\n00:33.487 --> 00:52.242\n那在這麼光天化日之下人來人往的台北車站竟然發生這麼這麼直接的性侵案然後人來人往的人這麼多但是大家都沒有上前伸出援手但我覺得這不是誰的問題而是這個現象讓人蠻難過的而且讓人覺得到底要\n\n00:58.007 --> 01:10.968\n怎麼樣才可以避免這樣的情況再發生所以第一個我想要請教的是因為第一時間我在網路上也看到其實有很多的影像已經外流那代表說有可能第一個有可能是台鐵的監視器的畫面\n\n01:12.256 --> 01:40.017\n那當然第一時間台鐵說那個不是監視器的畫面外流他們絕對沒有提供任何非警政單位之外的人士那代表說現場可能有人是在拍的那可能現場的民眾拍一拍竟然不是協助說上前制止而是在網路上這樣到處流竄所以第一個我想請教的是像這樣子的外流性影像你們有沒有已經掌握把它封鎖把它下架把它把這樣子的畫面\n\n01:41.858 --> 01:50.335\n阻止不要再外流了呢是謝謝黃委員的關心在第一時間我們發現這個狀況的時候已經要求警政的同仁要處理這一塊\n\n01:51.189 --> 02:13.368\n因為這樣的部分對於受害者或是對於我們整個的社會上都不是一個正面的影響那相關的部分我是不是請署長跟您回應一下好請署長好阿偉那對於這個影像的流傳我們第一時間就是要下降跟屏蔽這個部分我們會來處理那至於再去做這樣的一個散播的行為我們會進入去做了解跟偵查那我們\n\n02:16.631 --> 02:37.933\n我想就是這個都不是透過這個公家的系統不是透過警政也不是透過這個台鐵的系統流出去可能這是民眾拍攝的那這是一個非常要不得的這個行為我們也呼籲不要有這種狀況來產生那對於這樣的一個狀況我們第一時間就是會做下架以及做屏蔽的一個作為\n\n02:38.717 --> 03:05.655\n好謝謝那我今天會特別在這邊講也是希望呼籲台灣的社會像這樣子的性影像絕對不要再協助散播了這個對當事人來說都是非常難堪的二次傷害這個要拜託那另外一件事情就是即便台鐵這麼人來人往人潮擁擠的地方感覺已經相對安全了可是大家還是覺得是不是有死角怎麼會讓這樣子一個性侵犯可以直接得逞\n\n03:06.756 --> 03:29.396\n那像這樣子有沒有死角的問題我們要如何避免跟委員報告就是這個案件發生之後我們有做這個台鐵的一個全面的一個去做檢討對於是不是屬於一個死角都有鐵路檢查局跟這個台鐵的戰方以及保全這三方面去做一個研議然後做這一些一個\n\n03:30.377 --> 03:48.726\n注点的一个增加就守望的增加以及见景率来保障这个旅客的安全我想请民众放心那我想也是要在这个场合做呼吁也就是说台铁那个地方不是一个喝酒饮酒的一个地方这是因为这个可能就是喝了酒之后\n\n03:50.550 --> 04:01.872\n這個酒醉之後的一個狀況我想這個是一個公共的一個場所我們也呼籲就是那個場所不能在那邊飲酒作樂什麼這方面你們呼籲這個是要禁止的\n\n04:02.520 --> 04:27.598\n好啦那當然不論他有沒有飲酒他的行為是什麼只要是性犯罪就是罪大惡極就是必須要繩之以法這個拜託請你們加強處理好那再來我要請教一下這個危老津貼的事情啊呃看起來是原本因為你們其實有把這個駐地外的納入要把這個危老危老津貼加急有放進去\n\n04:27.958 --> 04:36.227\n那現在是希望可以進一步的把只要是外勤不論是他在值班他是在背勤的狀態的這些人員也都納入然後讓這個範圍可以擴大我們的目標是這樣對嗎對的好\n\n04:42.915 --> 05:06.884\n那當然我希望這個看起來是還有一些縣市還在研議當中沒有確定說要不要支持這個方案所以我也希望我們內政部可以盡快的讓所有縣市可不可以告訴大家現在有哪幾個縣市還在研議或者是他們還沒有辦法做決定的因為我認為這個對警察人員來說應該是非常重要的支持\n\n05:08.207 --> 05:30.329\n目前大概就是說嚴厲的大概只有兩個縣市那其他的大概是大部分都是同意但是有部分是同意要由中央來做一個付款我們會再持續再加強這個政策的勾有一些可能縣市可能還不是很清楚我們再進一步的再做一個溝通\n\n05:30.649 --> 05:48.362\n我相信這是一個好的政策啦也希望所有的縣市都可以支持那所以所以你們不願在這邊告訴大家是哪幾個縣市沒有關係你們覺得會對縣市來說有壓力那至少要讓大家知道說有一些縣市並沒有還沒有接受你們這樣政策的提案\n\n05:48.942 --> 06:15.094\n那我在这边也呼吁这是一个好的政策应该要让所有的外勤人员都可以拿到围牢津贴好吗再拜托你们好的谢谢那最后一点点时间我想要请教部长因为我们知道说现在的围牢家籍里面警勤家籍里面给警察消防海巡空勤然后移民等等都有这样子的家籍可是繁重的加成只有在双北\n\n06:15.774 --> 06:35.477\n那過去其實我們高雄市也不斷地在倡議說是不是不是只有在雙北而是說可以達到百分之百的只有在雙北那我們高雄市其實也提議過很多次也跟中央呼籲過很多次我們的只有七成這樣子目前的繁重的加成可不可以再往上加\n\n06:36.078 --> 06:42.782\n因為高雄市的警察也很辛苦我們土地面積這麼大我們要守護的範圍也非常廣然後平均的服刑時間也沒有比較少是謝謝委員的關心其實回歸到原來的自助面的部分站在我們的立場我們都不會反對但是還是要回歸到說地方政府他在支出的時候他的這個經費預算上面要怎麼給予比較好\n\n07:02.674 --> 07:20.667\n那所以到目前為止是六都都有繁重加擠那非六都比較沒有那我自己也訪問了相當多非六都的這個縣市首長他們的意思是說如果你們把繁重加擠加上去那中央要買單那我想這樣子可能跟我們原來在這個經費的給予上面是比較不符合我們的體力\n\n07:21.087 --> 07:46.516\n那我們會盡量來溝通那如果盡量能夠溝通的話就是像剛剛黃委員所說的如果原來在桃園台中台南高雄他只有加原來的七成那能不能修正到一倍那目前我們的中央單位大概都可以理解這個狀況可是還是希望我們多跟這個縣市地方政府來溝通那如果願意加成到一倍的話呢對於各地的縣市的警察來講會比較好\n\n07:48.237 --> 08:13.470\n那也減少說因為加成比較多然後大家都會往加成多的地方去移動那加成比較少人數就比較少除非說有特殊的原因會留在原地的就比較少那這方面可能會造成一種另外一種的不太平衡不一定說公平不太平衡的狀況可是還是一樣就是縣市地方政府他們願意體諒辛苦的景消同仁的話願意加成越多\n\n08:14.150 --> 08:31.620\n那只要合乎人事跟權序上面的相關的這個條件跟標準的話其實我們都贊成好謝謝部長的承諾那這個也拜託你們再溝通那當然跟任總這邊也拜託再溝通到底支出的部分要怎麼處理比較好好在這邊以上我來幫警察來發聲謝謝謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":1.178,"end":3.123,"text":"好 謝主席 我們先請劉部長請劉部長"},{"start":10.303,"end":32.486,"text":"好部長早 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