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00:01:19,319\n經立法院三讀那總統已經公告修正那明定115年1月1號會生效那但是呢目前這個經過立法院三讀通過總統公布的這個相關的條例卻因為行政院沒有編列預算導致這個制度目前沒有辦法在明年正式的生效而且也讓大家\n\n5\n00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:49,177\n對於制度的不公跟信賴這個政府信賴的危機產生了一個非常不信任的狀況所以我想請教一下兩位就是說這個部分是在6月就已經正式的三讀並經總統公告那8月22行政院才申請釋憲但是你們編列預算其實在之前所以請問一下你們兩位就是內政部跟海委會在115年度的中央政府預算\n\n6\n00:01:49,818 --> 00:01:53,126\n編列的過程中有沒有依法編列相關的預算\n\n7\n00:01:56,533 --> 00:02:20,841\n跟委員報告我們從概算是更早在立法院通過以前我們其實就已經從概算上面開始在作業了那這件事情我跟委員報告其實這件事情最重要的關鍵的解套不在我們委員會那關鍵的解套恐怕還是大法官的這個憲政機關是不是能夠趕快補足人選\n\n8\n00:02:23,642 --> 00:02:34,687\n8月22才提出釋憲的那請問你們在編列預算因為你們在8月22之前他不是政治他不是行政我現在要問你的是行政的話我們從4月就開始處理預算所以照理說6月我們通過之後你們應該是編列到你們8月底之前送出預算的時候應該是已經有編列我們行政一體整個內閣是內閣一體是行政一體那行政一體你想要回答我我們\n\n9\n00:02:51,795 --> 00:02:58,700\n你們有沒有在115年的總預算編列中有把這一筆這個相關預算有編列進去所以是有是嗎沒有我們沒有沒有那為什麼6月就已經公佈的8月才提出8月22才提出釋憲那你們當時\n\n10\n00:03:08,207 --> 00:03:14,371\n就沒有編列的原因是什麼是您的意思是您的意思不編列還是行政院的意思不編列對因為剛剛已經過了三分鐘你還是一樣的鬼打牆在問一樣的問題我的問題是\n\n11\n00:03:27,700 --> 00:03:30,701\n4月你剛講的8月22才提出釋憲那你8月底之前就要鬆出這個115年的預算的這個草案所以在這中間兩三個月的時間你們有沒有把這個已經三讀通過而且經過總統公告的應該115年度要編入預算的這個相關經費海委會有沒有編入我們照概算走就不在裡面了\n\n12\n00:03:53,826 --> 00:03:58,648\n那在這個過程當中主總並沒有通知我們改變概算以來的程序我們沒有被通知要改變概算以來的程序\n\n13\n00:04:08,274 --> 00:04:32,028\n報告委員我們的立場也是一樣就是不管從概算或是預算最後從行政院出來的預算才是一個正式的法律案那我們都是以行政院出來的預算為主那也就是說你們在當時就沒有編列預算是嗎送行政院就沒有編列了是嗎報告委員我們的立場還是一樣就是以行政院編出來了115個預算所以都不是你們兩位的問題其實是行政院卓榮泰院長的問題囉\n\n14\n00:04:33,409 --> 00:04:45,698\n是這樣的意思嗎我覺得是政治相取的問題委員我也從政了很久我在立法院也17年這個事情是政治相取這個事情是政治相取一定要解討大家都在等但是一定要解討委員不是這樣的\n\n15\n00:04:53,183 --> 00:05:01,869\n一路走來從概算的時候法律並沒有通過然後在這過程之中我們並沒有被通知要改變概算以來的編列方式沒有委員從概算開始還沒有法律通過我再重申一次主委我想不管是主委或是部長你們不管是警政消防大家其實都\n\n16\n00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:27,350\n是保家衛國一個非常重要的職務我相信你們也非常體恤但是這個是真正能夠照顧到我們的所以將軍要趕快解決將軍要解決的癥結點在哪嗎就是在要請我們的行政院要依法通過這個立法通過的這個預算應該是要通過然後要編列預算\n\n17\n00:05:40,001 --> 00:05:55,806\n依法編列預算是行政院長該做的事情否則的話就是你行政權根本就是侵犯立法權沒有依法編列我們三讀通過那未來是不是就是只要行政院不認同的預算就算我們立法院三讀通過都沒有那我們今天站在這邊做什麼我們在立法院開會做什麼\n\n18\n00:05:58,067 --> 00:06:04,429\n所以我想這個部分根本的癥結點是在行政院卓榮泰院長這一點都不理性啊已經三讀通過的時候我們到目前其實你想卓榮泰院長已經被被這個大家嘲諷為是富裕內閣\n\n19\n00:06:14,432 --> 00:06:20,233\n被大家嘲諷為是提出最多事件的行政院長為什麼?因為那些都是關鍵那些關鍵都在於行政立法三成分立的僵局是癥結在這個政治僵局這是朝野所有政黨共同的問題不是對院長個人的問題\n\n20\n00:06:40,739 --> 00:06:57,200\n這個申業危勞津貼的這個部分那我想請教一下就是過去就是內政部因為有在這個編列了一個申業危勞津貼那但是只有駐地外的執勤者才有那值班跟備勤的人員都沒有納入\n\n21\n00:06:57,961 --> 00:07:16,016\n那目前的話大家是覺得說既然是都屬於這個深夜為勞津貼不應該是因為他是巡邏或者是他是內勤巡邏有內勤就沒有希望都能夠編列進去那剛有一些委員當然有請教請教過不然署長部長都有提到那管主委您可以先回座\n\n22\n00:07:17,537 --> 00:07:41,276\n剛剛部館提到的就是部長跟署長都有提到其實是有些地方政府因為要他們編列相關的預算所以有的地方政府同意有的地方政府不同意那剛剛有幾位委員有提到就是六都到底有哪些地方政府同意哪些地方政府不同意剛剛蘇巧惠委員問了北部的那三都\n\n23\n00:07:42,267 --> 00:07:44,373\n那現在呢剛剛黃婕委員也問也有問同樣的問題\n\n24\n00:07:46,994 --> 00:08:11,362\n那我可以請教署長六都有哪一個縣市縣市長是不同意的沒有不同意就是說台中市是還在嚴厲當中那目前就是台北市的是同意要中央補助那新北市的是同意桃園也是同意那台南市同意但是要中央來做一個支援\n\n25\n00:08:14,383 --> 00:08:36,459\n高雄也是同意但是要中央來做一個好市長高雄是同意但是要由中央出經費嘛對不對好那我手上有一個這個深夜為勞津貼方案縣市長的這個態度的回覆表你剛講的六都當中有五都其實都已經有編列這個相關的預算\n\n26\n00:08:37,319 --> 00:08:54,379\n只有高雄市現在就是說現在在討論要再增加值班跟備請這個議題那目前預計年度支出金額不管是台北新北桃園台中台南都已經有預度年\n\n27\n00:08:55,180 --> 00:09:01,843\n還沒還沒還沒還沒還沒現在還在這個是先來討論要增加那為什麼唯獨高雄沒有高雄是零沒有高雄高雄同意但是要中央要來大家都已經有編這個預計的只有高雄是零喔現在這個為了今天要討論議題就是要增加值班跟備請這個項目進去除了原來的這個在外勤的部分嘛這個議題所需要增加的錢\n\n28\n00:09:23,314 --> 00:09:38,688\n有一些是要中央負擔那有一些是要地方負擔那現在在問地方的意見那目前我看到的這個回覆表就是只有高雄市零的這個預算我不曉得是什麼原因是不是會後可以請這個我們會後再提供給你這個是警察的部分因為說實在深夜為勞勤務勞我覺得應該是要一體適用而不是說\n\n29\n00:09:49,482 --> 00:09:58,920\n好像這外情的才有那你像之前這個這新聞有可以看到他在深夜在委員你拿到的是不是消防的部分因為你剛才問的是警政\n\n30\n00:10:00,842 --> 00:10:07,564\n委員我再跟您補充一下是不是等會後因為時間的關係是不是等會後目前沒有一個縣市政府編列進去會後請警政署提供我相關的資料好不好目前他們的態度是什麼然後另外就是剛剛講的這個圍牢津貼的部分就是我們希望說要一體使用那當然剛剛提到說現在是各縣市的態度是不是由中央附或地方附我覺得\n\n31\n00:10:22,868 --> 00:10:40,823\n應該是要大家好好的溝通喔然後另外就是有關的勤務加級喔就是28年來只調整過一次喔我們可以看到這個勤務加級從84年到112年6月就是都都是相同的分三級到112年7月才增加了15%經過28年才有調整那請問一下這個部分喔是不是可以針對\n\n32\n00:10:51,261 --> 00:11:02,859\n這個勤務加級喔能夠每三年能夠調整檢討一次而不要說以28年才調整檢討一次而且希望把它制度化請問一下部長這樣可以嗎\n\n33\n00:11:04,588 --> 00:11:10,733\n那包委員這個我想謝謝委員的這個對警察照顧這個我們會來做一個研討來再辦理是因為我想不要說苦手寒窯也不過18年喔上一次調整是28年才調整一次那我們希望把它制度化這一次我們是在112年調整15%對我知道那是經過了28年才調整嘛那我們希望以後未來不要這樣還要經過28年對不對能夠每3年或每5年我覺得這都可以探討\n\n34\n00:11:31,448 --> 00:11:40,502\n但是呢希望把它制度化來做一個調整好的好的這個謝謝謝謝委員那最後不好意思那可以再請教一下最後再給我一點時間請教一下管主委那部長您請回\n\n35\n00:11:46,279 --> 00:12:01,692\n關主委不好意思我想請教你的是有關就是我們這一次現在的這個海巡因為勤務日益加重所以目前我們可以看到海巡在今年的審計部的113年的決算的報告他有提出海巡的軍職人員短缺從2020年的47人到\n\n36\n00:12:05,595 --> 00:12:31,712\n2024年10月已經擴大到876人那其中暗巡人員短缺534人最嚴重那另外我們可以看到海巡人力的短缺更是嚴重包括從108年開始只短缺1829人到今年的4月已經短缺2885人所以請問一下管主委什麼原因讓我們的缺額不斷的擴大那為什麼人員的補充如此緩慢\n\n37\n00:12:32,552 --> 00:12:57,444\n跟委員報告這個軍職的人員我們就是志願役我們就是對外招募的志願役因為少子化的影響受到了一些影響但是跟委員報告我們目前以今年來講我們的軍職在4月份開始其實就有提高他們的薪資所以我們從這之中目前我們有感受到\n\n38\n00:12:57,924 --> 00:13:23,262\n在招募上面有連動的這個效果出來然後連動的效果大概是多少我們會增加招募的那個原額那我請署長來報告一下到目前為止計算的原額請署長您好特別跟您說明那我們的因為我們的這個待遇性質的調整所以我們在今年度的到目前為止我們現有的這個缺額是1242但是我們到\n\n39\n00:13:26,284 --> 00:13:46,347\n年底會把他縮小到862人那我們的這個幅度逐漸在縮小那有關艦艇的人員部門是人事總署會根據我們交艦的騎乘然後合撥給我們的這個應有的這一個艦艇上面人力所以其實跟委員報我們現在的那個缺額的幅度逐漸在縮小\n\n40\n00:13:46,977 --> 00:14:12,910\n因為海巡人員的勤務非常的繁重啦所以這樣的缺額其實造成其他的這個限職人員的一個加重我們在勤務上確實沒有錯就是說在勤務上會受到一些比較譬如說本來本來我從東沙驅離完我可以回來但是突然之間很可能海警船又來的時候我必須折回去我們偶爾\n\n41\n00:14:13,610 --> 00:14:40,610\n会有这些现象影响到勤任务的调派但是基本上整体来讲我们的勤任务都有在岗位上没有受到影响那比如说以现在刚讲的今年的2885个人力短缺我们最后如果到年底缩小到800多人的时候呢我们国军的志愿役会拨补我们400余人那这个部分会逐步的拨补给我们所以说意思就是到年底的话缺额可以缩短成多少\n\n42\n00:14:41,590 --> 00:15:07,548\n400多个元额他是逐步拨给我们的因为我们还必须去选兵那这400多个元额如果逐步拨给我们今年没有办法全部拨给我们如果逐步拨给我们的话又会更缩小所以我想在这边我也要帮我们的海巡人员请命就是说其实人力的短缺还有这个勤务的知情的时数超过一般的警察然后另外他们的勤务加急\n\n43\n00:15:08,197 --> 00:15:33,493\n是不是合理我覺得這個部分可能也要請海委會這邊來去幫他們可以研擬一下是不是調高他們的這個職務加急讓我們的一些海巡的人員願意就是其他人能夠願意投入這個海巡的人力而不會到現在就是有短缺這麼多的問題我們都努力的一項一項逐步的在爭取那幾乎每年最近幾年幾乎每年我們都有新的加急加進來\n\n44\n00:15:34,834 --> 00:15:46,865\n謝謝委員的關心是那這個部分還是希望就是針對現在的一個狀況針對勤務加節部分給他們一些協助給卓宇提高可以嗎好謝謝委員我們都一路在爭取謝謝好\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1593\t7910\t謝謝主席我們請劉世芳部長跟管秉林主委請劉部長跟管主委\n12212\t31163\t學員早部長好主委好我想兩位掌管的是有關警政消防海巡還有移民跟空勤的這個主管的機關那當然我想你們對於上述的這些同仁他們的辛勞跟保駕衛國以及他們在這個\n33095\t53416\t處理公共安全的一個守護我相信你們一定是身為他們的主管你們一定覺得要顧全他們的權益所以我相信兩位也都非常的努力那當然我們在上個會期其實我想不管我們立法委員也是一樣的感受所以我們在上個會期已經通過了提高他們的所得替代率那在六月已經這個\n55238\t79319\t經立法院三讀那總統已經公告修正那明定115年1月1號會生效那但是呢目前這個經過立法院三讀通過總統公布的這個相關的條例卻因為行政院沒有編列預算導致這個制度目前沒有辦法在明年正式的生效而且也讓大家\n80560\t109177\t對於制度的不公跟信賴這個政府信賴的危機產生了一個非常不信任的狀況所以我想請教一下兩位就是說這個部分是在6月就已經正式的三讀並經總統公告那8月22行政院才申請釋憲但是你們編列預算其實在之前所以請問一下你們兩位就是內政部跟海委會在115年度的中央政府預算\n109818\t113126\t編列的過程中有沒有依法編列相關的預算\n116533\t140841\t跟委員報告我們從概算是更早在立法院通過以前我們其實就已經從概算上面開始在作業了那這件事情我跟委員報告其實這件事情最重要的關鍵的解套不在我們委員會那關鍵的解套恐怕還是大法官的這個憲政機關是不是能夠趕快補足人選\n143642\t154687\t8月22才提出釋憲的那請問你們在編列預算因為你們在8月22之前他不是政治他不是行政我現在要問你的是行政的話我們從4月就開始處理預算所以照理說6月我們通過之後你們應該是編列到你們8月底之前送出預算的時候應該是已經有編列我們行政一體整個內閣是內閣一體是行政一體那行政一體你想要回答我我們\n171795\t178700\t你們有沒有在115年的總預算編列中有把這一筆這個相關預算有編列進去所以是有是嗎沒有我們沒有沒有那為什麼6月就已經公佈的8月才提出8月22才提出釋憲那你們當時\n188207\t194371\t就沒有編列的原因是什麼是您的意思是您的意思不編列還是行政院的意思不編列對 因為剛剛已經過了三分鐘你還是一樣的鬼打牆在問一樣的問題我的問題是\n207700\t210701\t4月 你剛講的8月22才提出釋憲那你8月底之前就要鬆出這個115年的預算的這個草案所以在這中間兩三個月的時間你們有沒有把這個已經三讀通過而且經過總統公告的應該115年度要編入預算的這個相關經費海委會有沒有編入我們照概算走就不在裡面了\n233826\t238648\t那在這個過程當中主總並沒有通知我們改變概算以來的程序我們沒有被通知要改變概算以來的程序\n248274\t272028\t報告委員我們的立場也是一樣就是不管從概算或是預算最後從行政院出來的預算才是一個正式的法律案那我們都是以行政院出來的預算為主那也就是說你們在當時就沒有編列預算是嗎送行政院就沒有編列了是嗎報告委員我們的立場還是一樣就是以行政院編出來了115個預算所以都不是你們兩位的問題其實是行政院卓榮泰院長的問題囉\n273409\t285698\t是這樣的意思嗎我覺得是政治相取的問題委員我也從政了很久我在立法院也17年這個事情是政治相取這個事情是政治相取一定要解討大家都在等但是一定要解討委員不是這樣的\n293183\t301869\t一路走來從概算的時候法律並沒有通過然後在這過程之中我們並沒有被通知要改變概算以來的編列方式沒有委員從概算開始還沒有法律通過我再重申一次主委我想不管是主委或是部長你們不管是警政消防大家其實都\n317400\t327350\t是保家衛國一個非常重要的職務我相信你們也非常體恤但是這個是真正能夠照顧到我們的所以將軍要趕快解決將軍要解決的癥結點在哪嗎就是在要請我們的行政院要依法通過這個立法通過的這個預算應該是要通過然後要編列預算\n340001\t355806\t依法編列預算是行政院長該做的事情否則的話就是你行政權根本就是侵犯立法權沒有依法編列我們三讀通過那未來是不是就是只要行政院不認同的預算就算我們立法院三讀通過都沒有那我們今天站在這邊做什麼我們在立法院開會做什麼\n358067\t364429\t所以我想這個部分根本的癥結點是在行政院卓榮泰院長這一點都不理性啊已經三讀通過的時候我們到目前其實你想卓榮泰院長已經被被這個大家嘲諷為是富裕內閣\n374432\t380233\t被大家嘲諷為是提出最多事件的行政院長 為什麼?因為那些都是關鍵那些關鍵都在於行政立法三成分立的僵局是癥結在這個政治僵局這是朝野所有政黨共同的問題不是對院長個人的問題\n400739\t417200\t這個申業危勞津貼的這個部分那我想請教一下就是過去就是內政部因為有在這個編列了一個申業危勞津貼那但是只有駐地外的執勤者才有那值班跟備勤的人員都沒有納入\n417961\t436016\t那目前的話大家是覺得說既然是都屬於這個深夜為勞津貼不應該是因為他是巡邏或者是他是內勤巡邏有內勤就沒有希望都能夠編列進去那剛有一些委員當然有請教請教過不然署長部長都有提到那管主委您可以先回座\n437537\t461276\t剛剛部館提到的就是部長跟署長都有提到其實是有些地方政府因為要他們編列相關的預算所以有的地方政府同意有的地方政府不同意那剛剛有幾位委員有提到就是六都到底有哪些地方政府同意哪些地方政府不同意剛剛蘇巧惠委員問了北部的那三都\n462267\t464373\t那現在呢剛剛黃婕委員也問也有問同樣的問題\n466994\t491362\t那我可以請教署長 六都有哪一個縣市 縣市長是不同意的沒有不同意就是說台中市是還在嚴厲當中那目前就是台北市的是同意要中央補助那新北市的是同意 桃園也是同意那台南市同意但是要中央來做一個支援\n494383\t516459\t高雄也是同意但是要中央來做一個好市長高雄是同意但是要由中央出經費嘛對不對好那我手上有一個這個深夜為勞津貼方案縣市長的這個態度的回覆表你剛講的六都當中有五都其實都已經有編列這個相關的預算\n517319\t534379\t只有高雄市現在就是說現在在討論要再增加值班跟備請這個議題那目前預計年度支出金額不管是台北 新北 桃園 台中 台南都已經有預度年\n535180\t541843\t還沒還沒還沒還沒還沒現在還在這個是先來討論要增加那為什麼唯獨高雄沒有高雄是零沒有高雄高雄同意但是要中央要來大家都已經有編這個預計的只有高雄是零喔現在這個為了今天要討論議題就是要增加值班跟備請這個項目進去除了原來的這個在外勤的部分嘛這個議題所需要增加的錢\n563314\t578688\t有一些是要中央負擔那有一些是要地方負擔那現在在問地方的意見那目前我看到的這個回覆表就是只有高雄市零的這個預算我不曉得是什麼原因是不是會後可以請這個我們會後再提供給你這個是警察的部分因為說實在深夜為勞勤務勞我覺得應該是要一體適用而不是說\n589482\t598920\t好像這外情的才有那你像之前這個這新聞有可以看到他在深夜在委員你拿到的是不是消防的部分因為你剛才問的是警政\n600842\t607564\t委員我再跟您補充一下是不是等會後因為時間的關係是不是等會後目前沒有一個縣市政府編列進去會後請警政署提供我相關的資料好不好目前他們的態度是什麼然後另外就是剛剛講的這個圍牢津貼的部分就是我們希望說要一體使用那當然剛剛提到說現在是各縣市的態度是不是由中央附或地方附我覺得\n622868\t640823\t應該是要大家好好的溝通喔然後另外就是有關的勤務加級喔就是28年來只調整過一次喔我們可以看到這個勤務加級從84年到112年6月就是都都是相同的分三級到112年7月才增加了15%經過28年才有調整那請問一下這個部分喔是不是可以針對\n651261\t662859\t這個勤務加級喔能夠每三年能夠調整檢討一次而不要說以28年才調整檢討一次而且希望把它制度化請問一下部長這樣可以嗎\n664588\t670733\t那包委員這個我想謝謝委員的這個對警察照顧這個我們會來做一個研討來再辦理是 因為我想不要說苦手寒窯也不過18年喔上一次調整是28年才調整一次那我們希望把它制度化這一次我們是在112年調整15%對 我知道那是經過了28年才調整嘛那我們希望以後未來不要這樣還要經過28年 對不對能夠每3年或每5年我覺得這都可以探討\n691448\t700502\t但是呢希望把它制度化來做一個調整好的好的這個謝謝謝謝委員那最後不好意思那可以再請教一下最後再給我一點時間請教一下管主委那部長您請回\n706279\t721692\t關主委不好意思我想請教你的是有關就是我們這一次現在的這個海巡因為勤務日益加重所以目前我們可以看到海巡在今年的審計部的113年的決算的報告他有提出海巡的軍職人員短缺從2020年的47人到\n725595\t751712\t2024年10月已經擴大到876人那其中暗巡人員短缺534人最嚴重那另外我們可以看到海巡人力的短缺更是嚴重包括從108年開始只短缺1829人到今年的4月已經短缺2885人所以請問一下管主委什麼原因讓我們的缺額不斷的擴大那為什麼人員的補充如此緩慢\n752552\t777444\t跟委員報告這個軍職的人員我們就是志願役我們就是對外招募的志願役因為少子化的影響受到了一些影響但是跟委員報告我們目前以今年來講我們的軍職在4月份開始其實就有提高他們的薪資所以我們從這之中目前我們有感受到\n777924\t803262\t在招募上面有連動的這個效果出來然後連動的效果大概是多少我們會增加招募的那個原額那我請署長來報告一下到目前為止計算的原額請署長您好特別跟您說明那我們的因為我們的這個待遇性質的調整所以我們在今年度的到目前為止我們現有的這個缺額是1242但是我們到\n806284\t826347\t年底會把他縮小到862人那我們的這個幅度逐漸在縮小那有關艦艇的人員部門是人事總署會根據我們交艦的騎乘然後合撥給我們的這個應有的這一個艦艇上面人力所以其實跟委員報我們現在的那個缺額的幅度逐漸在縮小\n826977\t852910\t因為海巡人員的勤務非常的繁重啦所以這樣的缺額其實造成其他的這個限職人員的一個加重我們在勤務上確實沒有錯就是說在勤務上會受到一些比較譬如說本來本來我從東沙驅離完我可以回來但是突然之間很可能海警船又來的時候我必須折回去我們偶爾\n853610\t880610\t会有这些现象影响到勤任务的调派但是基本上整体来讲我们的勤任务都有在岗位上没有受到影响那比如说以现在刚讲的今年的2885个人力短缺我们最后如果到年底缩小到800多人的时候呢我们国军的志愿役会拨补我们400余人那这个部分会逐步的拨补给我们所以说意思就是到年底的话缺额可以缩短成多少\n881590\t907548\t400多个元额他是逐步拨给我们的因为我们还必须去选兵那这400多个元额如果逐步拨给我们今年没有办法全部拨给我们如果逐步拨给我们的话又会更缩小所以我想在这边我也要帮我们的海巡人员请命就是说其实人力的短缺还有这个勤务的知情的时数超过一般的警察然后另外他们的勤务加急\n908197\t933493\t是不是合理 我覺得這個部分可能也要請海委會這邊來去幫他們可以研擬一下是不是調高他們的這個職務加急讓我們的一些海巡的人員願意就是其他人能夠願意投入這個海巡的人力而不會到現在就是有短缺這麼多的問題我們都努力的一項一項逐步的在爭取那幾乎每年 最近幾年幾乎每年我們都有新的加急加進來\n934834\t946865\t謝謝委員的關心是那這個部分還是希望就是針對現在的一個狀況針對勤務加節部分給他們一些協助給卓宇提高可以嗎好謝謝委員我們都一路在爭取謝謝好\n","txt":"謝謝主席我們請劉世芳部長跟管秉林主委請劉部長跟管主委\n學員早部長好主委好我想兩位掌管的是有關警政消防海巡還有移民跟空勤的這個主管的機關那當然我想你們對於上述的這些同仁他們的辛勞跟保駕衛國以及他們在這個\n處理公共安全的一個守護我相信你們一定是身為他們的主管你們一定覺得要顧全他們的權益所以我相信兩位也都非常的努力那當然我們在上個會期其實我想不管我們立法委員也是一樣的感受所以我們在上個會期已經通過了提高他們的所得替代率那在六月已經這個\n經立法院三讀那總統已經公告修正那明定115年1月1號會生效那但是呢目前這個經過立法院三讀通過總統公布的這個相關的條例卻因為行政院沒有編列預算導致這個制度目前沒有辦法在明年正式的生效而且也讓大家\n對於制度的不公跟信賴這個政府信賴的危機產生了一個非常不信任的狀況所以我想請教一下兩位就是說這個部分是在6月就已經正式的三讀並經總統公告那8月22行政院才申請釋憲但是你們編列預算其實在之前所以請問一下你們兩位就是內政部跟海委會在115年度的中央政府預算\n編列的過程中有沒有依法編列相關的預算\n跟委員報告我們從概算是更早在立法院通過以前我們其實就已經從概算上面開始在作業了那這件事情我跟委員報告其實這件事情最重要的關鍵的解套不在我們委員會那關鍵的解套恐怕還是大法官的這個憲政機關是不是能夠趕快補足人選\n8月22才提出釋憲的那請問你們在編列預算因為你們在8月22之前他不是政治他不是行政我現在要問你的是行政的話我們從4月就開始處理預算所以照理說6月我們通過之後你們應該是編列到你們8月底之前送出預算的時候應該是已經有編列我們行政一體整個內閣是內閣一體是行政一體那行政一體你想要回答我我們\n你們有沒有在115年的總預算編列中有把這一筆這個相關預算有編列進去所以是有是嗎沒有我們沒有沒有那為什麼6月就已經公佈的8月才提出8月22才提出釋憲那你們當時\n就沒有編列的原因是什麼是您的意思是您的意思不編列還是行政院的意思不編列對 因為剛剛已經過了三分鐘你還是一樣的鬼打牆在問一樣的問題我的問題是\n4月 你剛講的8月22才提出釋憲那你8月底之前就要鬆出這個115年的預算的這個草案所以在這中間兩三個月的時間你們有沒有把這個已經三讀通過而且經過總統公告的應該115年度要編入預算的這個相關經費海委會有沒有編入我們照概算走就不在裡面了\n那在這個過程當中主總並沒有通知我們改變概算以來的程序我們沒有被通知要改變概算以來的程序\n報告委員我們的立場也是一樣就是不管從概算或是預算最後從行政院出來的預算才是一個正式的法律案那我們都是以行政院出來的預算為主那也就是說你們在當時就沒有編列預算是嗎送行政院就沒有編列了是嗎報告委員我們的立場還是一樣就是以行政院編出來了115個預算所以都不是你們兩位的問題其實是行政院卓榮泰院長的問題囉\n是這樣的意思嗎我覺得是政治相取的問題委員我也從政了很久我在立法院也17年這個事情是政治相取這個事情是政治相取一定要解討大家都在等但是一定要解討委員不是這樣的\n一路走來從概算的時候法律並沒有通過然後在這過程之中我們並沒有被通知要改變概算以來的編列方式沒有委員從概算開始還沒有法律通過我再重申一次主委我想不管是主委或是部長你們不管是警政消防大家其實都\n是保家衛國一個非常重要的職務我相信你們也非常體恤但是這個是真正能夠照顧到我們的所以將軍要趕快解決將軍要解決的癥結點在哪嗎就是在要請我們的行政院要依法通過這個立法通過的這個預算應該是要通過然後要編列預算\n依法編列預算是行政院長該做的事情否則的話就是你行政權根本就是侵犯立法權沒有依法編列我們三讀通過那未來是不是就是只要行政院不認同的預算就算我們立法院三讀通過都沒有那我們今天站在這邊做什麼我們在立法院開會做什麼\n所以我想這個部分根本的癥結點是在行政院卓榮泰院長這一點都不理性啊已經三讀通過的時候我們到目前其實你想卓榮泰院長已經被被這個大家嘲諷為是富裕內閣\n被大家嘲諷為是提出最多事件的行政院長 為什麼?因為那些都是關鍵那些關鍵都在於行政立法三成分立的僵局是癥結在這個政治僵局這是朝野所有政黨共同的問題不是對院長個人的問題\n這個申業危勞津貼的這個部分那我想請教一下就是過去就是內政部因為有在這個編列了一個申業危勞津貼那但是只有駐地外的執勤者才有那值班跟備勤的人員都沒有納入\n那目前的話大家是覺得說既然是都屬於這個深夜為勞津貼不應該是因為他是巡邏或者是他是內勤巡邏有內勤就沒有希望都能夠編列進去那剛有一些委員當然有請教請教過不然署長部長都有提到那管主委您可以先回座\n剛剛部館提到的就是部長跟署長都有提到其實是有些地方政府因為要他們編列相關的預算所以有的地方政府同意有的地方政府不同意那剛剛有幾位委員有提到就是六都到底有哪些地方政府同意哪些地方政府不同意剛剛蘇巧惠委員問了北部的那三都\n那現在呢剛剛黃婕委員也問也有問同樣的問題\n那我可以請教署長 六都有哪一個縣市 縣市長是不同意的沒有不同意就是說台中市是還在嚴厲當中那目前就是台北市的是同意要中央補助那新北市的是同意 桃園也是同意那台南市同意但是要中央來做一個支援\n高雄也是同意但是要中央來做一個好市長高雄是同意但是要由中央出經費嘛對不對好那我手上有一個這個深夜為勞津貼方案縣市長的這個態度的回覆表你剛講的六都當中有五都其實都已經有編列這個相關的預算\n只有高雄市現在就是說現在在討論要再增加值班跟備請這個議題那目前預計年度支出金額不管是台北 新北 桃園 台中 台南都已經有預度年\n還沒還沒還沒還沒還沒現在還在這個是先來討論要增加那為什麼唯獨高雄沒有高雄是零沒有高雄高雄同意但是要中央要來大家都已經有編這個預計的只有高雄是零喔現在這個為了今天要討論議題就是要增加值班跟備請這個項目進去除了原來的這個在外勤的部分嘛這個議題所需要增加的錢\n有一些是要中央負擔那有一些是要地方負擔那現在在問地方的意見那目前我看到的這個回覆表就是只有高雄市零的這個預算我不曉得是什麼原因是不是會後可以請這個我們會後再提供給你這個是警察的部分因為說實在深夜為勞勤務勞我覺得應該是要一體適用而不是說\n好像這外情的才有那你像之前這個這新聞有可以看到他在深夜在委員你拿到的是不是消防的部分因為你剛才問的是警政\n委員我再跟您補充一下是不是等會後因為時間的關係是不是等會後目前沒有一個縣市政府編列進去會後請警政署提供我相關的資料好不好目前他們的態度是什麼然後另外就是剛剛講的這個圍牢津貼的部分就是我們希望說要一體使用那當然剛剛提到說現在是各縣市的態度是不是由中央附或地方附我覺得\n應該是要大家好好的溝通喔然後另外就是有關的勤務加級喔就是28年來只調整過一次喔我們可以看到這個勤務加級從84年到112年6月就是都都是相同的分三級到112年7月才增加了15%經過28年才有調整那請問一下這個部分喔是不是可以針對\n這個勤務加級喔能夠每三年能夠調整檢討一次而不要說以28年才調整檢討一次而且希望把它制度化請問一下部長這樣可以嗎\n那包委員這個我想謝謝委員的這個對警察照顧這個我們會來做一個研討來再辦理是 因為我想不要說苦手寒窯也不過18年喔上一次調整是28年才調整一次那我們希望把它制度化這一次我們是在112年調整15%對 我知道那是經過了28年才調整嘛那我們希望以後未來不要這樣還要經過28年 對不對能夠每3年或每5年我覺得這都可以探討\n但是呢希望把它制度化來做一個調整好的好的這個謝謝謝謝委員那最後不好意思那可以再請教一下最後再給我一點時間請教一下管主委那部長您請回\n關主委不好意思我想請教你的是有關就是我們這一次現在的這個海巡因為勤務日益加重所以目前我們可以看到海巡在今年的審計部的113年的決算的報告他有提出海巡的軍職人員短缺從2020年的47人到\n2024年10月已經擴大到876人那其中暗巡人員短缺534人最嚴重那另外我們可以看到海巡人力的短缺更是嚴重包括從108年開始只短缺1829人到今年的4月已經短缺2885人所以請問一下管主委什麼原因讓我們的缺額不斷的擴大那為什麼人員的補充如此緩慢\n跟委員報告這個軍職的人員我們就是志願役我們就是對外招募的志願役因為少子化的影響受到了一些影響但是跟委員報告我們目前以今年來講我們的軍職在4月份開始其實就有提高他們的薪資所以我們從這之中目前我們有感受到\n在招募上面有連動的這個效果出來然後連動的效果大概是多少我們會增加招募的那個原額那我請署長來報告一下到目前為止計算的原額請署長您好特別跟您說明那我們的因為我們的這個待遇性質的調整所以我們在今年度的到目前為止我們現有的這個缺額是1242但是我們到\n年底會把他縮小到862人那我們的這個幅度逐漸在縮小那有關艦艇的人員部門是人事總署會根據我們交艦的騎乘然後合撥給我們的這個應有的這一個艦艇上面人力所以其實跟委員報我們現在的那個缺額的幅度逐漸在縮小\n因為海巡人員的勤務非常的繁重啦所以這樣的缺額其實造成其他的這個限職人員的一個加重我們在勤務上確實沒有錯就是說在勤務上會受到一些比較譬如說本來本來我從東沙驅離完我可以回來但是突然之間很可能海警船又來的時候我必須折回去我們偶爾\n会有这些现象影响到勤任务的调派但是基本上整体来讲我们的勤任务都有在岗位上没有受到影响那比如说以现在刚讲的今年的2885个人力短缺我们最后如果到年底缩小到800多人的时候呢我们国军的志愿役会拨补我们400余人那这个部分会逐步的拨补给我们所以说意思就是到年底的话缺额可以缩短成多少\n400多个元额他是逐步拨给我们的因为我们还必须去选兵那这400多个元额如果逐步拨给我们今年没有办法全部拨给我们如果逐步拨给我们的话又会更缩小所以我想在这边我也要帮我们的海巡人员请命就是说其实人力的短缺还有这个勤务的知情的时数超过一般的警察然后另外他们的勤务加急\n是不是合理 我覺得這個部分可能也要請海委會這邊來去幫他們可以研擬一下是不是調高他們的這個職務加急讓我們的一些海巡的人員願意就是其他人能夠願意投入這個海巡的人力而不會到現在就是有短缺這麼多的問題我們都努力的一項一項逐步的在爭取那幾乎每年 最近幾年幾乎每年我們都有新的加急加進來\n謝謝委員的關心是那這個部分還是希望就是針對現在的一個狀況針對勤務加節部分給他們一些協助給卓宇提高可以嗎好謝謝委員我們都一路在爭取謝謝好\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.593 --> 00:07.910\n謝謝主席我們請劉世芳部長跟管秉林主委請劉部長跟管主委\n\n00:12.212 --> 00:31.163\n學員早部長好主委好我想兩位掌管的是有關警政消防海巡還有移民跟空勤的這個主管的機關那當然我想你們對於上述的這些同仁他們的辛勞跟保駕衛國以及他們在這個\n\n00:33.095 --> 00:53.416\n處理公共安全的一個守護我相信你們一定是身為他們的主管你們一定覺得要顧全他們的權益所以我相信兩位也都非常的努力那當然我們在上個會期其實我想不管我們立法委員也是一樣的感受所以我們在上個會期已經通過了提高他們的所得替代率那在六月已經這個\n\n00:55.238 --> 01:19.319\n經立法院三讀那總統已經公告修正那明定115年1月1號會生效那但是呢目前這個經過立法院三讀通過總統公布的這個相關的條例卻因為行政院沒有編列預算導致這個制度目前沒有辦法在明年正式的生效而且也讓大家\n\n01:20.560 --> 01:49.177\n對於制度的不公跟信賴這個政府信賴的危機產生了一個非常不信任的狀況所以我想請教一下兩位就是說這個部分是在6月就已經正式的三讀並經總統公告那8月22行政院才申請釋憲但是你們編列預算其實在之前所以請問一下你們兩位就是內政部跟海委會在115年度的中央政府預算\n\n01:49.818 --> 01:53.126\n編列的過程中有沒有依法編列相關的預算\n\n01:56.533 --> 02:20.841\n跟委員報告我們從概算是更早在立法院通過以前我們其實就已經從概算上面開始在作業了那這件事情我跟委員報告其實這件事情最重要的關鍵的解套不在我們委員會那關鍵的解套恐怕還是大法官的這個憲政機關是不是能夠趕快補足人選\n\n02:23.642 --> 02:34.687\n8月22才提出釋憲的那請問你們在編列預算因為你們在8月22之前他不是政治他不是行政我現在要問你的是行政的話我們從4月就開始處理預算所以照理說6月我們通過之後你們應該是編列到你們8月底之前送出預算的時候應該是已經有編列我們行政一體整個內閣是內閣一體是行政一體那行政一體你想要回答我我們\n\n02:51.795 --> 02:58.700\n你們有沒有在115年的總預算編列中有把這一筆這個相關預算有編列進去所以是有是嗎沒有我們沒有沒有那為什麼6月就已經公佈的8月才提出8月22才提出釋憲那你們當時\n\n03:08.207 --> 03:14.371\n就沒有編列的原因是什麼是您的意思是您的意思不編列還是行政院的意思不編列對因為剛剛已經過了三分鐘你還是一樣的鬼打牆在問一樣的問題我的問題是\n\n03:27.700 --> 03:30.701\n4月你剛講的8月22才提出釋憲那你8月底之前就要鬆出這個115年的預算的這個草案所以在這中間兩三個月的時間你們有沒有把這個已經三讀通過而且經過總統公告的應該115年度要編入預算的這個相關經費海委會有沒有編入我們照概算走就不在裡面了\n\n03:53.826 --> 03:58.648\n那在這個過程當中主總並沒有通知我們改變概算以來的程序我們沒有被通知要改變概算以來的程序\n\n04:08.274 --> 04:32.028\n報告委員我們的立場也是一樣就是不管從概算或是預算最後從行政院出來的預算才是一個正式的法律案那我們都是以行政院出來的預算為主那也就是說你們在當時就沒有編列預算是嗎送行政院就沒有編列了是嗎報告委員我們的立場還是一樣就是以行政院編出來了115個預算所以都不是你們兩位的問題其實是行政院卓榮泰院長的問題囉\n\n04:33.409 --> 04:45.698\n是這樣的意思嗎我覺得是政治相取的問題委員我也從政了很久我在立法院也17年這個事情是政治相取這個事情是政治相取一定要解討大家都在等但是一定要解討委員不是這樣的\n\n04:53.183 --> 05:01.869\n一路走來從概算的時候法律並沒有通過然後在這過程之中我們並沒有被通知要改變概算以來的編列方式沒有委員從概算開始還沒有法律通過我再重申一次主委我想不管是主委或是部長你們不管是警政消防大家其實都\n\n05:17.400 --> 05:27.350\n是保家衛國一個非常重要的職務我相信你們也非常體恤但是這個是真正能夠照顧到我們的所以將軍要趕快解決將軍要解決的癥結點在哪嗎就是在要請我們的行政院要依法通過這個立法通過的這個預算應該是要通過然後要編列預算\n\n05:40.001 --> 05:55.806\n依法編列預算是行政院長該做的事情否則的話就是你行政權根本就是侵犯立法權沒有依法編列我們三讀通過那未來是不是就是只要行政院不認同的預算就算我們立法院三讀通過都沒有那我們今天站在這邊做什麼我們在立法院開會做什麼\n\n05:58.067 --> 06:04.429\n所以我想這個部分根本的癥結點是在行政院卓榮泰院長這一點都不理性啊已經三讀通過的時候我們到目前其實你想卓榮泰院長已經被被這個大家嘲諷為是富裕內閣\n\n06:14.432 --> 06:20.233\n被大家嘲諷為是提出最多事件的行政院長為什麼?因為那些都是關鍵那些關鍵都在於行政立法三成分立的僵局是癥結在這個政治僵局這是朝野所有政黨共同的問題不是對院長個人的問題\n\n06:40.739 --> 06:57.200\n這個申業危勞津貼的這個部分那我想請教一下就是過去就是內政部因為有在這個編列了一個申業危勞津貼那但是只有駐地外的執勤者才有那值班跟備勤的人員都沒有納入\n\n06:57.961 --> 07:16.016\n那目前的話大家是覺得說既然是都屬於這個深夜為勞津貼不應該是因為他是巡邏或者是他是內勤巡邏有內勤就沒有希望都能夠編列進去那剛有一些委員當然有請教請教過不然署長部長都有提到那管主委您可以先回座\n\n07:17.537 --> 07:41.276\n剛剛部館提到的就是部長跟署長都有提到其實是有些地方政府因為要他們編列相關的預算所以有的地方政府同意有的地方政府不同意那剛剛有幾位委員有提到就是六都到底有哪些地方政府同意哪些地方政府不同意剛剛蘇巧惠委員問了北部的那三都\n\n07:42.267 --> 07:44.373\n那現在呢剛剛黃婕委員也問也有問同樣的問題\n\n07:46.994 --> 08:11.362\n那我可以請教署長六都有哪一個縣市縣市長是不同意的沒有不同意就是說台中市是還在嚴厲當中那目前就是台北市的是同意要中央補助那新北市的是同意桃園也是同意那台南市同意但是要中央來做一個支援\n\n08:14.383 --> 08:36.459\n高雄也是同意但是要中央來做一個好市長高雄是同意但是要由中央出經費嘛對不對好那我手上有一個這個深夜為勞津貼方案縣市長的這個態度的回覆表你剛講的六都當中有五都其實都已經有編列這個相關的預算\n\n08:37.319 --> 08:54.379\n只有高雄市現在就是說現在在討論要再增加值班跟備請這個議題那目前預計年度支出金額不管是台北新北桃園台中台南都已經有預度年\n\n08:55.180 --> 09:01.843\n還沒還沒還沒還沒還沒現在還在這個是先來討論要增加那為什麼唯獨高雄沒有高雄是零沒有高雄高雄同意但是要中央要來大家都已經有編這個預計的只有高雄是零喔現在這個為了今天要討論議題就是要增加值班跟備請這個項目進去除了原來的這個在外勤的部分嘛這個議題所需要增加的錢\n\n09:23.314 --> 09:38.688\n有一些是要中央負擔那有一些是要地方負擔那現在在問地方的意見那目前我看到的這個回覆表就是只有高雄市零的這個預算我不曉得是什麼原因是不是會後可以請這個我們會後再提供給你這個是警察的部分因為說實在深夜為勞勤務勞我覺得應該是要一體適用而不是說\n\n09:49.482 --> 09:58.920\n好像這外情的才有那你像之前這個這新聞有可以看到他在深夜在委員你拿到的是不是消防的部分因為你剛才問的是警政\n\n10:00.842 --> 10:07.564\n委員我再跟您補充一下是不是等會後因為時間的關係是不是等會後目前沒有一個縣市政府編列進去會後請警政署提供我相關的資料好不好目前他們的態度是什麼然後另外就是剛剛講的這個圍牢津貼的部分就是我們希望說要一體使用那當然剛剛提到說現在是各縣市的態度是不是由中央附或地方附我覺得\n\n10:22.868 --> 10:40.823\n應該是要大家好好的溝通喔然後另外就是有關的勤務加級喔就是28年來只調整過一次喔我們可以看到這個勤務加級從84年到112年6月就是都都是相同的分三級到112年7月才增加了15%經過28年才有調整那請問一下這個部分喔是不是可以針對\n\n10:51.261 --> 11:02.859\n這個勤務加級喔能夠每三年能夠調整檢討一次而不要說以28年才調整檢討一次而且希望把它制度化請問一下部長這樣可以嗎\n\n11:04.588 --> 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我知道那是經過了28年才調整嘛那我們希望以後未來不要這樣還要經過28年 對不對能夠每3年或每5年我覺得這都可以探討"},{"start":691.448,"end":700.502,"text":"但是呢希望把它制度化來做一個調整好的好的這個謝謝謝謝委員那最後不好意思那可以再請教一下最後再給我一點時間請教一下管主委那部長您請回"},{"start":706.279,"end":721.692,"text":"關主委不好意思我想請教你的是有關就是我們這一次現在的這個海巡因為勤務日益加重所以目前我們可以看到海巡在今年的審計部的113年的決算的報告他有提出海巡的軍職人員短缺從2020年的47人到"},{"start":725.595,"end":751.712,"text":"2024年10月已經擴大到876人那其中暗巡人員短缺534人最嚴重那另外我們可以看到海巡人力的短缺更是嚴重包括從108年開始只短缺1829人到今年的4月已經短缺2885人所以請問一下管主委什麼原因讓我們的缺額不斷的擴大那為什麼人員的補充如此緩慢"},{"start":752.552,"end":777.444,"text":"跟委員報告這個軍職的人員我們就是志願役我們就是對外招募的志願役因為少子化的影響受到了一些影響但是跟委員報告我們目前以今年來講我們的軍職在4月份開始其實就有提高他們的薪資所以我們從這之中目前我們有感受到"},{"start":777.924,"end":803.262,"text":"在招募上面有連動的這個效果出來然後連動的效果大概是多少我們會增加招募的那個原額那我請署長來報告一下到目前為止計算的原額請署長您好特別跟您說明那我們的因為我們的這個待遇性質的調整所以我們在今年度的到目前為止我們現有的這個缺額是1242但是我們到"},{"start":806.284,"end":826.347,"text":"年底會把他縮小到862人那我們的這個幅度逐漸在縮小那有關艦艇的人員部門是人事總署會根據我們交艦的騎乘然後合撥給我們的這個應有的這一個艦艇上面人力所以其實跟委員報我們現在的那個缺額的幅度逐漸在縮小"},{"start":826.977,"end":852.91,"text":"因為海巡人員的勤務非常的繁重啦所以這樣的缺額其實造成其他的這個限職人員的一個加重我們在勤務上確實沒有錯就是說在勤務上會受到一些比較譬如說本來本來我從東沙驅離完我可以回來但是突然之間很可能海警船又來的時候我必須折回去我們偶爾"},{"start":853.61,"end":880.61,"text":"会有这些现象影响到勤任务的调派但是基本上整体来讲我们的勤任务都有在岗位上没有受到影响那比如说以现在刚讲的今年的2885个人力短缺我们最后如果到年底缩小到800多人的时候呢我们国军的志愿役会拨补我们400余人那这个部分会逐步的拨补给我们所以说意思就是到年底的话缺额可以缩短成多少"},{"start":881.59,"end":907.548,"text":"400多个元额他是逐步拨给我们的因为我们还必须去选兵那这400多个元额如果逐步拨给我们今年没有办法全部拨给我们如果逐步拨给我们的话又会更缩小所以我想在这边我也要帮我们的海巡人员请命就是说其实人力的短缺还有这个勤务的知情的时数超过一般的警察然后另外他们的勤务加急"},{"start":908.197,"end":933.493,"text":"是不是合理 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的志願役，因為少子化而受到了一些影響，但是跟委員報告，以今年來講，我們在4月份開始其實就有提高軍職的薪資，目前在招募上，我們有感受到有連動的效果出來……"],["許委員宇甄：連動的效果大概是多少？"],["管主任委員碧玲：我們會增加招募的員額，我請署長來報告一下，到目前為止計算的員額，好不好？"],["許委員宇甄：好，請署長。"],["張副主任委員忠龍：委員好。特別跟委員說明，因為我們待遇薪資的調整，所以到目前為止，現有的缺額是1,242，但是到年底我們會把它縮小到862人，這個幅度有逐漸在縮小；有關艦艇人員的部分，人事總處會根據我們交艦的期程核撥給我們艦艇上面應有的人力，跟委員報告，現在缺額的幅度逐漸在縮小。"],["許委員宇甄：因為海巡人員的勤務非常的繁重，所以這樣的缺額其實會加重其他現職人員的工作。"],["管主任委員碧玲：確實沒有錯，就是在勤務上會受到一些比較……譬如本來他從東沙驅離完可以回來，但是突然之間，很可能海警船又來的時候，他必須折回去，我們偶爾會有這些現象影響到勤任務的調派，但是基本上整體來講，我們的勤任務都有在崗位上，沒有受到影響，另外……"],["許委員宇甄：譬如說以剛剛講的，今年人力的短缺有2,885個，請問何時會補？"],["管主任委員碧玲：如果到年底縮小到八百多人的時候，國軍的志願役會撥補我們四百餘人，這個部分會逐步地撥補給我們，這個落差……"],["許委員宇甄：所以意思就是到年底的話，缺額可以縮短成多少？"],["管主任委員碧玲：四百多個員額是逐步撥給我們的，因為我們還必須去選兵，這四百多個員額如果逐步撥給我們，今年沒有辦法全部撥給我們，如果逐步撥給我們的話，又會更縮小。"],["許委員宇甄：所以我想在這邊也要幫海巡人員請命，其實人力的短缺還有勤務的執勤時數超過一般的警察，還有他們的勤務加給是不是合理，我覺得這個部分可能也要請海委會來研擬一下是不是調高他們的職務加給，讓其他人能夠願意投入海巡的人力，而不是像現在有短缺這麼多的問題。"],["管主任委員碧玲：我們都有努力的一項一項逐步的在爭取，幾乎最近每年都有新的加給加進來，謝謝委員的關心。"],["許委員宇甄：還是希望針對現在的狀況，在勤務加給的部分能給他們一些協助並酌予提高，可以嗎？"],["管主任委員碧玲：好，謝謝委員，我們都一路在爭取，謝謝。"],["許委員宇甄：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝許宇甄委員。","再提醒一下，各位委員的質詢時間非常寶貴、很有限，對於委員的提問，希望各位列席官員能夠明確回應，也讓各位委員能夠掌控時間，以上。","接下來請王美惠召委。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":68,"meet_id":"委員會-11-4-15-5","speakers":["黃建賓","牛煦庭","蘇巧慧","張智倫","黃捷","許宇甄","王美惠","張宏陸","李柏毅","麥玉珍","林德福","吳琪銘","徐欣瑩","賴惠員","楊瓊瓔","張啓楷","鄭天財Sra Kacaw","盧縣一","黃國昌","陳冠廷","邱志偉","高金素梅","林楚茵","王鴻薇","丁學忠","吳宗憲"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2025-10-16"],"gazette_id":"1148501","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1148501_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第5次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請內政部部長、海洋委員會主任委員、內政部警政署署長、內政部消防署署長就「警察、消\n防、海巡、移民及空中勤務總隊人員危勞津貼及退休權益之保障」進行專題報告並備質詢，另請\n行政院人事行政總處、行政院主計總處、銓敘部派員列席備詢","agenda_id":"1148501_00001"}}}