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00:00:57,531\n那今天我想特别为我们的警察人员消防人员来争取首先第一个警察的负担警民比是一个指标你应该理解吧警民比那我们看了一下有一个县市一般都认为警民比比较高是六都\n\n3\n00:00:59,871 --> 00:01:21,611\n對不對,您的認知嘛,警民比,就是一個警察要負擔多少民眾,是不是?這個密度只要是,警民比是比較高。六都的會比較高嘛,對對對。但是新竹縣啊,新竹縣一個小小的縣市,它的警民比僅次於新北,在全國第二高。\n\n4\n00:01:23,413 --> 00:01:28,982\n所以在這種情況下部長您覺得新竹縣的警員他的負荷重不重\n\n5\n00:01:30,854 --> 00:01:56,251\n當然都很重啦我相信全國的警察都很辛苦新竹縣市都很重因為我有拜訪過那你有拜訪過對對對對我每個縣民的警察局長都有拜訪過是啊所以在這種情況下新竹縣警民比僅次於新北市勝過其他的五都我想我們的署長自動上來了所以您也擔任過新竹縣警察局局長是的您也很清楚嘛對所以\n\n6\n00:01:57,632 --> 00:02:03,623\n在這種情況下新竹縣的警察的情況啊外調的非常多\n\n7\n00:02:05,119 --> 00:02:31,555\n因为这个负担很重所以也蛮有名新竹县警察的流动变成我们新竹县叫跳板县市警员外调还有流动率高所以缺额也多缺额也多那警民比又那么大那再来就是我们新竹县新竹县的这个平均每人每月的消费支出全国第三高\n\n8\n00:02:32,765 --> 00:02:58,540\n所以警察負荷又重然後當地的消費又高所以他們的經濟壓力工作壓力都非常的大那在這種情況下我們就看到這種警民比這麼繁重那我今天特別要講的是警察人員這個警勤加級表警勤加級表裡面我看到我們的這個規定\n\n9\n00:03:01,806 --> 00:03:22,351\n最後負責的第六點好像對於只有直轄市的政府可以是治安交通警察勤務的繁重程度以自籌經費來規定來對這一些知己對象加成來給予知己所以這個情況\n\n10\n00:03:24,622 --> 00:03:39,819\n我要跟部長還有局長署長你應該很清楚部長很清楚這個新竹縣警察同仁他們的負擔這麼重那在整個法令裡面\n\n11\n00:03:41,049 --> 00:04:08,623\n他没有他的这个家籍他比这个直辖市还要重所以我们县政府呢自筹自筹了9000万今年2月行文给内政部给警政署结果因为我们就是这里面只有直辖市才可以有这种可以在家籍里面有讲台北市一倍其他几个县市其他几个直辖市可以给7成\n\n12\n00:04:09,463 --> 00:04:14,341\n那我們現在已經自籌經費了卡在這個法令是不是可以修法\n\n13\n00:04:14,983 --> 00:04:43,368\n对包委那这个部分对于现在目前现在是六都还有其他各县市我们会全国做统一的一个处理对对我觉得要全国全国统一的处理那会因为有一些县市是还在做沟通因为这个有一些是要地方县市政府要来做支出像新竹县市愿意嘛没有所以你们你们可以定的弹性一点嘛是现在警察已经他们又辛苦然后又要给他们加急还给不了\n\n14\n00:04:44,148 --> 00:04:59,874\n那所以新竹縣永遠缺人因為大家都要外調因為我調到直轄市我的家籍你看喔七千八千九千嘛對不對到台北市我就增加我就一萬四到高雄七成八七\n\n15\n00:05:01,134 --> 00:05:28,736\n多五千六七千加我就有一万两千六在新竹县就七千比人家累所以这一块我们我本席也会来修我们希望我们这个院版就是说我们警政署内政部这边也可以尽快来修因为你们二月给你们的文到现在都没有再回复啦我们警察同仁时时刻刻非常的辛苦\n\n16\n00:05:29,477 --> 00:05:56,132\n然後我們缺額又多當然我們也要感謝這個警政署能夠每年給我們一些員額讓也減輕但是再怎麼減輕你看一個新竹縣它的警民筆是僅次於新北把其他五都都沒有那麼多那又不能給它這種加擠今天願意留在新竹縣的我們真的我們給予12萬分的敬意\n\n17\n00:05:56,952 --> 00:06:08,642\n所以這一塊我們可不可以加速來完成那本席也建議就是說這個修法可以彈性因為剛剛我一開始問部長就是說社會一直變化\n\n18\n00:06:10,007 --> 00:06:39,227\n在修這個法這個法在訂定的時候沒有人想過新竹縣會人口增加這麼快蹦這麼快那我相信有一些其他有潛力的縣市也是如此新竹縣全國最大的鄉在新竹縣全國最大的鎮在新竹縣全國第二大的市也在新竹縣馬上要超過對竹北市馬上要超過所以很快的全國最大的鄉鎮市全部在新竹縣\n\n19\n00:06:40,367 --> 00:07:05,538\n好所以這個情況我們希望中央要重視那新竹縣可能首當其衝我相信其他縣市在這個各縣市長的治理之下也會快速發展所以我們希望我們的法令不合時宜的趕快修而且要能夠跟上這個社會的變化好不好警察人員很辛苦署長或部長我們這個詢問的這個函能不能盡快回覆\n\n20\n00:07:06,604 --> 00:07:27,225\n我們錢都籌到九千萬放在那結果我們卡在法令中央的法令是謝謝徐穩的關心我們也非常了解這個狀況我想並不是卡在新竹縣你可能也會知道因為我剛跟你講過每個縣市長我都有去拜訪過有的願意加有的不願意加所以你們的法令看怎麼調是如果說\n\n21\n00:07:27,925 --> 00:07:47,543\n你用警民筆的话没关系有的县市不愿意你警民筆没有到也不需要不了解那我们来多跟一些县市尤其是非六度的部分来做沟通这应该跟县市长不一定那么相关为什么因为县市长会变化四年就变了我们这个法令应该要有一个\n\n22\n00:07:48,283 --> 00:08:06,669\n就是要有一個空間啦好不好有一個空間了解我們來努力那很快我用後面的時間就是新竹縣既然你看最大的鄉鎮市人口快速成長所以我們的消防那個署長您可以回座\n\n23\n00:08:07,589 --> 00:08:36,072\n部長我們的消防人力也是我們消防人力啊我時間不夠我就舉一個一個表格啊為什麼115年明年要預計分配的人數整個的補充率缺額對上預計分配人數哇新竹縣比例1.61其他都兩位數新竹縣1.61那各位數的還有高雄市不過高雄市他的\n\n24\n00:08:37,573 --> 00:09:01,388\n這個缺額在五、六都當中是第二少的啦所以面對這個情況部長還有署長拜託正視一下好不好還有去年啊新竹縣才一位這個消防人員他這個因公殉職我們不希望看到這種情況所以我看到這個比例數字\n\n25\n00:09:02,287 --> 00:09:18,639\n我不得不在這裡部長也請你重視好不好怎麼會我們1.61啊新竹縣這樣人口我們這邊的警消人員都很辛苦耶來麻煩簡單跟委員報告兩個部分一個部分這個人數明年1月份\n\n26\n00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:41,532\n新竹縣就提那麼多的我會想辦法在部長支持之下會增加沒有啦他們要48個拜託有那個時間的差距我們想辦法在1月份再想辦法再從缺額的部分來做一個調整這個跟縣委員跟委員報告那另外部分就是這個應該是有誤會啦因為他們提48好不好我們來處理那逐年跟委員\n\n27\n00:09:45,394 --> 00:10:10,015\n報告就說特考班我們現在招生可以達到1000位正期班已經增加到400位所以目前是一年期待能夠達到1400位的量當然會考考慮到有多少人考過有多少人畢業了當然這會有一個伸縮所以上一次有跟我們報告可能沒有那麼多人可能就比較打折了那當然我們會優先來考慮到有些縣市人力缺額特別大的我們優先來考慮謝謝\n\n28\n00:10:12,597 --> 00:10:30,767\n這個1.61太誇張了啦好不好我們的缺額這個補充率不能這樣這樣真的是太大小眼了好嗎我們來努力你一定要讓我們至少兩位數以上真的拜託部長拜託啦一定要努力謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7173\t11194\t好 謝謝主席 本席有請劉部長請劉部長徐委員你好部長好 社會變化很快速 您認同嗎我說我們的社會氣候變遷也非常快速那社會的各種情況也是一直在變化\n32830\t57531\t那今天我想特别为我们的警察人员消防人员来争取首先第一个警察的负担警民比是一个指标你应该理解吧警民比那我们看了一下有一个县市一般都认为警民比比较高是六都\n59871\t81611\t對不對,您的認知嘛,警民比,就是一個警察要負擔多少民眾,是不是?這個密度只要是,警民比是比較高。六都的會比較高嘛,對對對。但是新竹縣啊,新竹縣一個小小的縣市,它的警民比僅次於新北,在全國第二高。\n83413\t88982\t所以在這種情況下部長您覺得新竹縣的警員他的負荷重不重\n90854\t116251\t當然 都很重啦 我相信全國的警察都很辛苦 新竹縣市都很重 因為我有拜訪過那你有拜訪過 對對對對 我每個縣民的警察局長都有拜訪過是啊 所以在這種情況下新竹縣警民比僅次於新北市勝過其他的五都我想我們的署長自動上來了所以您也擔任過新竹縣警察局局長是的 您也很清楚嘛 對 所以\n117632\t123623\t在這種情況下新竹縣的警察的情況啊外調的非常多\n125119\t151555\t因为这个负担很重所以也蛮有名新竹县警察的流动变成我们新竹县叫跳板县市警员外调还有流动率高所以缺额也多缺额也多那警民比又那么大那再来就是我们新竹县新竹县的这个平均每人每月的消费支出全国第三高\n152765\t178540\t所以警察負荷又重然後當地的消費又高所以他們的經濟壓力工作壓力都非常的大那在這種情況下我們就看到這種警民比這麼繁重那我今天特別要講的是警察人員這個警勤加級表警勤加級表裡面我看到我們的這個規定\n181806\t202351\t最後負責的第六點好像對於只有直轄市的政府可以是治安交通警察勤務的繁重程度以自籌經費來規定來對這一些知己對象加成來給予知己所以這個情況\n204622\t219819\t我要跟部長還有局長 署長你應該很清楚 部長很清楚這個新竹縣警察同仁他們的負擔這麼重那在整個法令裡面\n221049\t248623\t他没有他的这个家籍他比这个直辖市还要重所以我们县政府呢自筹自筹了9000万今年2月行文给内政部给警政署结果因为我们就是这里面只有直辖市才可以有这种可以在家籍里面有讲台北市一倍其他几个县市其他几个直辖市可以给7成\n249463\t254341\t那我們現在已經自籌經費了卡在這個法令是不是可以修法\n254983\t283368\t对包委那这个部分对于现在目前现在是六都还有其他各县市我们会全国做统一的一个处理对对我觉得要全国全国统一的处理那会因为有一些县市是还在做沟通因为这个有一些是要地方县市政府要来做支出像新竹县市愿意嘛没有所以你们你们可以定的弹性一点嘛是现在警察已经他们又辛苦然后又要给他们加急还给不了\n284148\t299874\t那所以新竹縣永遠缺人因為大家都要外調因為我調到直轄市我的家籍你看喔七千八千九千嘛對不對到台北市我就增加我就一萬四到高雄七成八七\n301134\t328736\t多五千六七千加我就有一万两千六在新竹县就七千比人家累所以这一块我们我本席也会来修我们希望我们这个院版就是说我们警政署内政部这边也可以尽快来修因为你们二月给你们的文到现在都没有再回复啦我们警察同仁时时刻刻非常的辛苦\n329477\t356132\t然後我們缺額又多當然我們也要感謝這個警政署能夠每年給我們一些員額讓也減輕但是再怎麼減輕你看一個新竹縣它的警民筆是僅次於新北把其他五都都沒有那麼多那又不能給它這種加擠今天願意留在新竹縣的我們真的我們給予12萬分的敬意\n356952\t368642\t所以這一塊我們可不可以加速來完成那本席也建議就是說這個修法可以彈性因為剛剛我一開始問部長就是說社會一直變化\n370007\t399227\t在修這個法這個法在訂定的時候沒有人想過新竹縣會人口增加這麼快蹦這麼快那我相信有一些其他有潛力的縣市也是如此新竹縣全國最大的鄉在新竹縣全國最大的鎮在新竹縣全國第二大的市也在新竹縣馬上要超過對竹北市馬上要超過所以很快的全國最大的鄉鎮市全部在新竹縣\n400367\t425538\t好 所以這個情況我們希望中央要重視那新竹縣可能首當其衝我相信其他縣市在這個各縣市長的治理之下也會快速發展所以我們希望我們的法令不合時宜的趕快修而且要能夠跟上這個社會的變化好不好 警察人員很辛苦署長或部長我們這個詢問的這個函能不能盡快回覆\n426604\t447225\t我們錢都籌到九千萬放在那結果我們卡在法令中央的法令是謝謝徐穩的關心我們也非常了解這個狀況我想並不是卡在新竹縣你可能也會知道因為我剛跟你講過每個縣市長我都有去拜訪過有的願意加有的不願意加所以你們的法令看怎麼調是如果說\n447925\t467543\t你用警民筆的话没关系有的县市不愿意你警民筆没有到也不需要不了解那我们来多跟一些县市尤其是非六度的部分来做沟通这应该跟县市长不一定那么相关为什么因为县市长会变化四年就变了我们这个法令应该要有一个\n468283\t486669\t就是要有一個空間啦好不好 有一個空間了解 我們來努力那很快我用後面的時間就是新竹縣既然你看最大的鄉鎮市人口快速成長所以我們的消防那個署長您可以回座\n487589\t516072\t部長我們的消防人力也是我們消防人力啊我時間不夠我就舉一個一個表格啊為什麼115年明年要預計分配的人數整個的補充率缺額對上預計分配人數哇新竹縣比例1.61其他都兩位數新竹縣1.61那各位數的還有高雄市不過高雄市他的\n517573\t541388\t這個缺額在五、六都當中是第二少的啦所以面對這個情況部長還有署長拜託正視一下好不好還有去年啊新竹縣才一位這個消防人員他這個因公殉職我們不希望看到這種情況所以我看到這個比例數字\n542287\t558639\t我不得不在這裡部長也請你重視好不好怎麼會我們1.61啊新竹縣這樣人口我們這邊的警消人員都很辛苦耶來麻煩 簡單跟委員報告兩個部分一個部分這個人數明年1月份\n559800\t581532\t新竹縣就提那麼多的我會想辦法在部長支持之下會增加沒有啦 他們要48個 拜託有那個時間的差距我們想辦法在1月份再想辦法再從缺額的部分來做一個調整這個跟縣委員跟委員報告那另外部分就是這個應該是有誤會啦因為他們提48好不好我們來處理 那逐年跟委員\n585394\t610015\t報告就說特考班我們現在招生可以達到1000位正期班已經增加到400位所以目前是一年期待能夠達到1400位的量當然會考考慮到有多少人考過有多少人畢業了當然這會有一個伸縮所以上一次有跟我們報告可能沒有那麼多人可能就比較打折了那當然我們會優先來考慮到有些縣市人力缺額特別大的我們優先來考慮 謝謝\n612597\t630767\t這個1.61太誇張了啦好不好我們的缺額這個補充率不能這樣這樣真的是太大小眼了好嗎我們來努力你一定要讓我們至少兩位數以上真的拜託部長拜託啦一定要努力謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 本席有請劉部長請劉部長徐委員你好部長好 社會變化很快速 您認同嗎我說我們的社會氣候變遷也非常快速那社會的各種情況也是一直在變化\n那今天我想特别为我们的警察人员消防人员来争取首先第一个警察的负担警民比是一个指标你应该理解吧警民比那我们看了一下有一个县市一般都认为警民比比较高是六都\n對不對,您的認知嘛,警民比,就是一個警察要負擔多少民眾,是不是?這個密度只要是,警民比是比較高。六都的會比較高嘛,對對對。但是新竹縣啊,新竹縣一個小小的縣市,它的警民比僅次於新北,在全國第二高。\n所以在這種情況下部長您覺得新竹縣的警員他的負荷重不重\n當然 都很重啦 我相信全國的警察都很辛苦 新竹縣市都很重 因為我有拜訪過那你有拜訪過 對對對對 我每個縣民的警察局長都有拜訪過是啊 所以在這種情況下新竹縣警民比僅次於新北市勝過其他的五都我想我們的署長自動上來了所以您也擔任過新竹縣警察局局長是的 您也很清楚嘛 對 所以\n在這種情況下新竹縣的警察的情況啊外調的非常多\n因为这个负担很重所以也蛮有名新竹县警察的流动变成我们新竹县叫跳板县市警员外调还有流动率高所以缺额也多缺额也多那警民比又那么大那再来就是我们新竹县新竹县的这个平均每人每月的消费支出全国第三高\n所以警察負荷又重然後當地的消費又高所以他們的經濟壓力工作壓力都非常的大那在這種情況下我們就看到這種警民比這麼繁重那我今天特別要講的是警察人員這個警勤加級表警勤加級表裡面我看到我們的這個規定\n最後負責的第六點好像對於只有直轄市的政府可以是治安交通警察勤務的繁重程度以自籌經費來規定來對這一些知己對象加成來給予知己所以這個情況\n我要跟部長還有局長 署長你應該很清楚 部長很清楚這個新竹縣警察同仁他們的負擔這麼重那在整個法令裡面\n他没有他的这个家籍他比这个直辖市还要重所以我们县政府呢自筹自筹了9000万今年2月行文给内政部给警政署结果因为我们就是这里面只有直辖市才可以有这种可以在家籍里面有讲台北市一倍其他几个县市其他几个直辖市可以给7成\n那我們現在已經自籌經費了卡在這個法令是不是可以修法\n对包委那这个部分对于现在目前现在是六都还有其他各县市我们会全国做统一的一个处理对对我觉得要全国全国统一的处理那会因为有一些县市是还在做沟通因为这个有一些是要地方县市政府要来做支出像新竹县市愿意嘛没有所以你们你们可以定的弹性一点嘛是现在警察已经他们又辛苦然后又要给他们加急还给不了\n那所以新竹縣永遠缺人因為大家都要外調因為我調到直轄市我的家籍你看喔七千八千九千嘛對不對到台北市我就增加我就一萬四到高雄七成八七\n多五千六七千加我就有一万两千六在新竹县就七千比人家累所以这一块我们我本席也会来修我们希望我们这个院版就是说我们警政署内政部这边也可以尽快来修因为你们二月给你们的文到现在都没有再回复啦我们警察同仁时时刻刻非常的辛苦\n然後我們缺額又多當然我們也要感謝這個警政署能夠每年給我們一些員額讓也減輕但是再怎麼減輕你看一個新竹縣它的警民筆是僅次於新北把其他五都都沒有那麼多那又不能給它這種加擠今天願意留在新竹縣的我們真的我們給予12萬分的敬意\n所以這一塊我們可不可以加速來完成那本席也建議就是說這個修法可以彈性因為剛剛我一開始問部長就是說社會一直變化\n在修這個法這個法在訂定的時候沒有人想過新竹縣會人口增加這麼快蹦這麼快那我相信有一些其他有潛力的縣市也是如此新竹縣全國最大的鄉在新竹縣全國最大的鎮在新竹縣全國第二大的市也在新竹縣馬上要超過對竹北市馬上要超過所以很快的全國最大的鄉鎮市全部在新竹縣\n好 所以這個情況我們希望中央要重視那新竹縣可能首當其衝我相信其他縣市在這個各縣市長的治理之下也會快速發展所以我們希望我們的法令不合時宜的趕快修而且要能夠跟上這個社會的變化好不好 警察人員很辛苦署長或部長我們這個詢問的這個函能不能盡快回覆\n我們錢都籌到九千萬放在那結果我們卡在法令中央的法令是謝謝徐穩的關心我們也非常了解這個狀況我想並不是卡在新竹縣你可能也會知道因為我剛跟你講過每個縣市長我都有去拜訪過有的願意加有的不願意加所以你們的法令看怎麼調是如果說\n你用警民筆的话没关系有的县市不愿意你警民筆没有到也不需要不了解那我们来多跟一些县市尤其是非六度的部分来做沟通这应该跟县市长不一定那么相关为什么因为县市长会变化四年就变了我们这个法令应该要有一个\n就是要有一個空間啦好不好 有一個空間了解 我們來努力那很快我用後面的時間就是新竹縣既然你看最大的鄉鎮市人口快速成長所以我們的消防那個署長您可以回座\n部長我們的消防人力也是我們消防人力啊我時間不夠我就舉一個一個表格啊為什麼115年明年要預計分配的人數整個的補充率缺額對上預計分配人數哇新竹縣比例1.61其他都兩位數新竹縣1.61那各位數的還有高雄市不過高雄市他的\n這個缺額在五、六都當中是第二少的啦所以面對這個情況部長還有署長拜託正視一下好不好還有去年啊新竹縣才一位這個消防人員他這個因公殉職我們不希望看到這種情況所以我看到這個比例數字\n我不得不在這裡部長也請你重視好不好怎麼會我們1.61啊新竹縣這樣人口我們這邊的警消人員都很辛苦耶來麻煩 簡單跟委員報告兩個部分一個部分這個人數明年1月份\n新竹縣就提那麼多的我會想辦法在部長支持之下會增加沒有啦 他們要48個 拜託有那個時間的差距我們想辦法在1月份再想辦法再從缺額的部分來做一個調整這個跟縣委員跟委員報告那另外部分就是這個應該是有誤會啦因為他們提48好不好我們來處理 那逐年跟委員\n報告就說特考班我們現在招生可以達到1000位正期班已經增加到400位所以目前是一年期待能夠達到1400位的量當然會考考慮到有多少人考過有多少人畢業了當然這會有一個伸縮所以上一次有跟我們報告可能沒有那麼多人可能就比較打折了那當然我們會優先來考慮到有些縣市人力缺額特別大的我們優先來考慮 謝謝\n這個1.61太誇張了啦好不好我們的缺額這個補充率不能這樣這樣真的是太大小眼了好嗎我們來努力你一定要讓我們至少兩位數以上真的拜託部長拜託啦一定要努力謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.173 --> 00:11.194\n好謝謝主席本席有請劉部長請劉部長徐委員你好部長好社會變化很快速您認同嗎我說我們的社會氣候變遷也非常快速那社會的各種情況也是一直在變化\n\n00:32.830 --> 00:57.531\n那今天我想特别为我们的警察人员消防人员来争取首先第一个警察的负担警民比是一个指标你应该理解吧警民比那我们看了一下有一个县市一般都认为警民比比较高是六都\n\n00:59.871 --> 01:21.611\n對不對,您的認知嘛,警民比,就是一個警察要負擔多少民眾,是不是?這個密度只要是,警民比是比較高。六都的會比較高嘛,對對對。但是新竹縣啊,新竹縣一個小小的縣市,它的警民比僅次於新北,在全國第二高。\n\n01:23.413 --> 01:28.982\n所以在這種情況下部長您覺得新竹縣的警員他的負荷重不重\n\n01:30.854 --> 01:56.251\n當然都很重啦我相信全國的警察都很辛苦新竹縣市都很重因為我有拜訪過那你有拜訪過對對對對我每個縣民的警察局長都有拜訪過是啊所以在這種情況下新竹縣警民比僅次於新北市勝過其他的五都我想我們的署長自動上來了所以您也擔任過新竹縣警察局局長是的您也很清楚嘛對所以\n\n01:57.632 --> 02:03.623\n在這種情況下新竹縣的警察的情況啊外調的非常多\n\n02:05.119 --> 02:31.555\n因为这个负担很重所以也蛮有名新竹县警察的流动变成我们新竹县叫跳板县市警员外调还有流动率高所以缺额也多缺额也多那警民比又那么大那再来就是我们新竹县新竹县的这个平均每人每月的消费支出全国第三高\n\n02:32.765 --> 02:58.540\n所以警察負荷又重然後當地的消費又高所以他們的經濟壓力工作壓力都非常的大那在這種情況下我們就看到這種警民比這麼繁重那我今天特別要講的是警察人員這個警勤加級表警勤加級表裡面我看到我們的這個規定\n\n03:01.806 --> 03:22.351\n最後負責的第六點好像對於只有直轄市的政府可以是治安交通警察勤務的繁重程度以自籌經費來規定來對這一些知己對象加成來給予知己所以這個情況\n\n03:24.622 --> 03:39.819\n我要跟部長還有局長署長你應該很清楚部長很清楚這個新竹縣警察同仁他們的負擔這麼重那在整個法令裡面\n\n03:41.049 --> 04:08.623\n他没有他的这个家籍他比这个直辖市还要重所以我们县政府呢自筹自筹了9000万今年2月行文给内政部给警政署结果因为我们就是这里面只有直辖市才可以有这种可以在家籍里面有讲台北市一倍其他几个县市其他几个直辖市可以给7成\n\n04:09.463 --> 04:14.341\n那我們現在已經自籌經費了卡在這個法令是不是可以修法\n\n04:14.983 --> 04:43.368\n对包委那这个部分对于现在目前现在是六都还有其他各县市我们会全国做统一的一个处理对对我觉得要全国全国统一的处理那会因为有一些县市是还在做沟通因为这个有一些是要地方县市政府要来做支出像新竹县市愿意嘛没有所以你们你们可以定的弹性一点嘛是现在警察已经他们又辛苦然后又要给他们加急还给不了\n\n04:44.148 --> 04:59.874\n那所以新竹縣永遠缺人因為大家都要外調因為我調到直轄市我的家籍你看喔七千八千九千嘛對不對到台北市我就增加我就一萬四到高雄七成八七\n\n05:01.134 --> 05:28.736\n多五千六七千加我就有一万两千六在新竹县就七千比人家累所以这一块我们我本席也会来修我们希望我们这个院版就是说我们警政署内政部这边也可以尽快来修因为你们二月给你们的文到现在都没有再回复啦我们警察同仁时时刻刻非常的辛苦\n\n05:29.477 --> 05:56.132\n然後我們缺額又多當然我們也要感謝這個警政署能夠每年給我們一些員額讓也減輕但是再怎麼減輕你看一個新竹縣它的警民筆是僅次於新北把其他五都都沒有那麼多那又不能給它這種加擠今天願意留在新竹縣的我們真的我們給予12萬分的敬意\n\n05:56.952 --> 06:08.642\n所以這一塊我們可不可以加速來完成那本席也建議就是說這個修法可以彈性因為剛剛我一開始問部長就是說社會一直變化\n\n06:10.007 --> 06:39.227\n在修這個法這個法在訂定的時候沒有人想過新竹縣會人口增加這麼快蹦這麼快那我相信有一些其他有潛力的縣市也是如此新竹縣全國最大的鄉在新竹縣全國最大的鎮在新竹縣全國第二大的市也在新竹縣馬上要超過對竹北市馬上要超過所以很快的全國最大的鄉鎮市全部在新竹縣\n\n06:40.367 --> 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下來請賴惠員委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":68,"meet_id":"委員會-11-4-15-5","speakers":["黃建賓","牛煦庭","蘇巧慧","張智倫","黃捷","許宇甄","王美惠","張宏陸","李柏毅","麥玉珍","林德福","吳琪銘","徐欣瑩","賴惠員","楊瓊瓔","張啓楷","鄭天財Sra 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