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00:01:56,080\n對於相關的飛行的判斷會出現誤差這關係到飛航整體的一個安全如果我們按照SMS安全管理系統航空公司的管理者他對於相關的風險\n\n7\n00:01:57,361 --> 00:02:21,168\n不管是要辨識要控制要相關的這個做處理但是他們在相關自己排辦的過程就產生這種造成疲勞的這樣的一個高度疲勞影響飛安的狀況我是具體建議應該要仿效美國的運安會督促相關的單位必須去落實相關的一個督促\n\n8\n00:02:22,148 --> 00:02:46,039\n對於值班對於相關的這種疲勞影響非安的狀況必須嚴格的督促來說明一下包委我們事實上對會員事務的調查每個案子都會把這個所謂疲勞管理排班的制度都會做檢討那這個案子我們會跟民安局聯繫就是看看民安局需不需因為我們有一個疲勞風險分析的軟體我們會協助他\n\n9\n00:02:48,567 --> 00:03:16,333\n那SMS它最主要它就是要去管理者要去落實相關的這種風險但是它對於相關的這些排班所造成的疲勞影響飛安的因素確實是會衝擊旅客的安全這個必須要重視那我們必須要建立透明而且可追蹤的這種報告的機制要落實勤務的排程跟相關的休息制度的安全的監控\n\n10\n00:03:17,153 --> 00:03:41,642\n另外運安會我認為還是要建立民航局檢視各航空業者他的排班的一個規定避免不合理的排班方式透過系統性的監督跟調整來強化飛航組員的健康跟安全的一個保障那從根本上要來提升這種運輸的安全這個請您主委要去督促\n\n11\n00:03:42,382 --> 00:04:05,059\n另外我們現在看到相關的這樣的一個科技創新跟生態永續的觀念之下不管是車輛的電動化跟它的智慧駕駛都是成為車業發展未來的一個趨勢但這樣一個趨勢之下我們也看到很多的問題不管是它的監督電動車的監督機制\n\n12\n00:04:08,622 --> 00:04:33,719\n數據的一個管理或是安全責任事故分析等等現在都成為世界各國一個高度注意的一個焦點那我們看到美國跟日本都有發生相關的這種自動車的或是輔助駕駛所產生的一個安全危害的案例我們台灣問題也相當的嚴重我們看到\n\n13\n00:04:34,540 --> 00:04:54,976\n公路局的一個反撞車的遭撞統計在目前我們台灣的交通系統其實我知道交通部是有做相關的統計但是比較明確的是反撞車輛遭撞的這樣的一個統計就是有配備ADAS車輛以及有開啟ADAS車輛的這樣的\n\n14\n00:04:58,519 --> 00:05:04,189\n遭到撞擊的這樣的一個數據有呈現出來ATAS就是車輛的輔助駕駛系統\n\n15\n00:05:06,653 --> 00:05:31,433\n那它是逐年增加那我現在是具體要求我們要求交通部必須把針對相關自動駕駛以及輔助駕駛所造成的車輛的明確數據必須跟警政署要建立明確的數據並且向社會來公告那我們從高工局緩撞車遭自動駕駛或輔助駕駛\n\n16\n00:05:34,403 --> 00:06:00,537\n撞擊的這樣的一個例子來說我們可以看到件數都是明顯的一個增加這是我們必須要去注意的我必須要說我們世界各國他們對於電動車以及輔助駕駛的安全關注是越來越高我們看到我們自動駕駛的機制有三個主要的問題\n\n17\n00:06:02,090 --> 00:06:30,068\n第一個就是駕駛數據的透明化跟監管機制仍然不足甚至出現掩蓋篡改的數據的這種情形第二個是技術的成熟度跟不同駕駛環境的適應性他還是未見足夠的一個完善第三是監督管理機制不夠及時無法及時的這種解決跟處理我們來看世界各國\n\n18\n00:06:31,109 --> 00:06:43,326\n主委車輛加裝黑盒子你看歐盟已經規定在2024年7月要開始所有上市的小客車小貨車都要裝置EDR\n\n19\n00:06:44,722 --> 00:07:03,525\n事件紀錄就是黑盒子那也要強化車商的資料管理責任跟提供的義務那英國有相關的規定英國自動駕駛車輛法明確的規定車輛加裝黑盒子我們看到歐盟也有相關的一個規定之外另外\n\n20\n00:07:04,706 --> 00:07:25,909\n我們對於相關的這一些我們台灣的施行的法令主委你看一下我們相關的規範實行年度跟資料要求都落後於國際大概3至4年了歐盟2024年就已經要實施了我們到2027年1月1號才要實施相關的這些辦法\n\n21\n00:07:28,793 --> 00:07:57,293\n進度嚴重的落後另外我們來看我們的公共運輸方面現在的公路私企客運雖然有這種類似的設備但是他們都是以數位數位式的行車資訊記錄設備就是數位大筆來進行資訊管理跟記錄但是記錄內容範圍跟管理的即時性它是遠遠落後於EDR黑核子系統\n\n22\n00:07:58,493 --> 00:08:14,116\n運安會是否會主動建議公路局來督促業者改善來主委說明一下大車的EDR我們現在正在做專案研究那麼研究成果我想我可以提供給交通部作為修法的參考\n\n23\n00:08:15,655 --> 00:08:41,597\n另外我們運安會應該要善用建議來督促交通部加速推動EDR的施行的一個時程這個主委要跟交通部來督促也要建立車輛數據的透明化跟防創改的機制那車商也應該要定期接受自動車及輔助駕駛系統相關的一個安全的資訊主委來說明一下\n\n24\n00:08:46,383 --> 00:09:06,489\n交通部對他目前第四二零二八齁那麼是是有一點晚啦齁那我們在工程反轉車的事故這個調查案的時候我們已經有提出改善建議啦說請交通部要跟駕駛員宣導那個ADAS就是輔助駕駛員因為他為了責任除了相關事故的調查\n\n25\n00:09:07,793 --> 00:09:34,026\n很重要的一個責任就是安全的改善建議那我認為也應該要督促公路局推動公路及市區客運數位大餅的一個升級達到歐盟的標準並且納入評鑑跟集合的一個標準那交通部也必須要建立自動駕駛以及輔助駕駛的即時監管及快速的應變機制那這個是非常重要的一個環節\n\n26\n00:09:35,187 --> 00:09:38,086\n最後我請教一下史哲董事長\n\n27\n00:09:41,634 --> 00:10:02,781\n相關於鄰近車廂或是鄰近文化車廂或是鄰近禮貌車廂當然他的強度各有不同那我們對於相關旅客的權益以及親子的友善環境都是長久在考驗交通部的一個重要的議題那其實菜市場會長也在這邊當初台鐵的親子車廂就是有\n\n28\n00:10:07,902 --> 00:10:32,580\n蔡會長跟我共同提議那後來他擔任副院長之後我就召集親子團體針對台鐵親子車廂的設計藍圖而且在施工的過程也一再的履刊施工完成之後跟蔡副院長也一起來履刊相關的親子車廂當然高鐵又不一樣\n\n29\n00:10:33,320 --> 00:11:00,095\n高鐵的車廂我們沒有辦法去改當初也有這樣的一個討論但是高鐵的車廂都是日本整組進來沒有辦法去做相關的一個改裝而且這對安全也有相關的一個影響不過在整個過程裡面我對於高鐵我認為還是有失職之處就在討論整個親子友善環境以及鄰近車廂的這樣一個爭議的過程裡面\n\n30\n00:11:01,576 --> 00:11:14,754\n沒有明確的來跟親子團體來對話怎樣的一個親子友善環境以及鄰近車廂的一個建立如果來達成共識這個過程高鐵沒有做到\n\n31\n00:11:16,070 --> 00:11:39,724\n第二在相關的這樣的一個宣導的過程時間也不足也過於衝突這容易造成社會的一個對立其實在日本重大的交通政策我一再的跟交通部來說明跟要求重大的交通政策這種鄰近車廂親子友善的環境就是一個重大的交通議題必須要有半年以上的對話跟宣導\n\n32\n00:11:41,405 --> 00:12:02,986\n高鐵也沒有做到這個高鐵董事長必須要去督促相關的改善那讓你簡單的說明一下現在你們具體的時程跟相關的改善的相關措施啊董事長說明一下好是謝謝委員我想我們每一日的勸導的案件數剛剛也有報告過大概大概是800多件平均一台列車大概是5件\n\n33\n00:12:04,167 --> 00:12:25,103\n那大概50是講手機25%大概是這個3C產品戴耳機的問題那好的現象是事實上大部分的旅客街頭到券島之後事實上都非常樂意改善所以我們認為這樣子持續的精進作為事實上應該在半年之後應該這整個狀況就會大家社會大眾會接受\n\n34\n00:12:25,783 --> 00:12:43,850\n委員所提到的這個車廂是不是同時都能夠親子友善這是我們的使命跟責任我們在這個部分也會持續跟大家溝通尋求更好的這個執行的方式也請你把跟要跟親子團體對話的時程也明確的來向我做報告跟說明好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2799\t16837\t也要感謝我啊 我等很久也感謝李坤哲召委 謝謝來 紅夢凱召委請一下運安會林主委也請史哲董事長還有吳聖元次長\n17998\t43436\t董事長 次長請我先請教一下運安會的主委委員主委有關於長榮空服員在9月25號結束飛航任務之後返台因為身體不適送醫院急診不幸在10月10號宣告不治死亡那其實長榮航空公司對於員工的苛刻\n44298\t69554\t跟不重視員工的權益其實在過往都有很多的事蹟那我們看到空服員跟相關的人員工會他們的反應跟投訴就是有關於空服員他們請病假或者是試假他們就會喪失他們在排班\n70612\t84967\t航線跟休假相關選擇的一個權利那這不只是控務員的問題機師同樣面對高工時以及高度壓力的工作環境\n85928\t99886\t他們的飛行時數很長休息時間是否充足而且這種跨時區的高精神壓力的這種工作環境之下是否造成了疲勞駕駛\n102194\t116080\t對於相關的飛行的判斷會出現誤差這關係到飛航整體的一個安全如果我們按照SMS安全管理系統航空公司的管理者他對於相關的風險\n117361\t141168\t不管是要辨識要控制要相關的這個做處理但是他們在相關自己排辦的過程就產生這種造成疲勞的這樣的一個高度疲勞影響飛安的狀況我是具體建議應該要仿效美國的運安會督促相關的單位必須去落實相關的一個督促\n142148\t166039\t對於值班對於相關的這種疲勞影響非安的狀況必須嚴格的督促來說明一下包委我們事實上對會員事務的調查每個案子都會把這個所謂疲勞管理排班的制度都會做檢討那這個案子我們會跟民安局聯繫就是看看民安局需不需因為我們有一個疲勞風險分析的軟體我們會協助他\n168567\t196333\t那SMS它最主要它就是要去管理者要去落實相關的這種風險但是它對於相關的這些排班所造成的疲勞影響飛安的因素確實是會衝擊旅客的安全這個必須要重視那我們必須要建立透明而且可追蹤的這種報告的機制要落實勤務的排程跟相關的休息制度的安全的監控\n197153\t221642\t另外運安會我認為還是要建立民航局檢視各航空業者他的排班的一個規定避免不合理的排班方式透過系統性的監督跟調整來強化飛航組員的健康跟安全的一個保障那從根本上要來提升這種運輸的安全這個請您主委要去督促\n222382\t245059\t另外我們現在看到相關的這樣的一個科技創新跟生態永續的觀念之下不管是車輛的電動化跟它的智慧駕駛都是成為車業發展未來的一個趨勢但這樣一個趨勢之下我們也看到很多的問題不管是它的監督電動車的監督機制\n248622\t273719\t數據的一個管理或是安全責任事故分析等等現在都成為世界各國一個高度注意的一個焦點那我們看到美國跟日本都有發生相關的這種自動車的或是輔助駕駛所產生的一個安全危害的案例我們台灣問題也相當的嚴重我們看到\n274540\t294976\t公路局的一個反撞車的遭撞統計在目前我們台灣的交通系統其實我知道交通部是有做相關的統計但是比較明確的是反撞車輛遭撞的這樣的一個統計就是有配備ADAS車輛以及有開啟ADAS車輛的這樣的\n298519\t304189\t遭到撞擊的這樣的一個數據有呈現出來ATAS就是車輛的輔助駕駛系統\n306653\t331433\t那它是逐年增加那我現在是具體要求我們要求交通部必須把針對相關自動駕駛以及輔助駕駛所造成的車輛的明確數據必須跟警政署要建立明確的數據並且向社會來公告那我們從高工局緩撞車遭自動駕駛或輔助駕駛\n334403\t360537\t撞擊的這樣的一個例子來說我們可以看到件數都是明顯的一個增加這是我們必須要去注意的我必須要說我們世界各國他們對於電動車以及輔助駕駛的安全關注是越來越高我們看到我們自動駕駛的機制有三個主要的問題\n362090\t390068\t第一個就是駕駛數據的透明化跟監管機制仍然不足甚至出現掩蓋篡改的數據的這種情形第二個是技術的成熟度跟不同駕駛環境的適應性他還是未見足夠的一個完善第三是監督管理機制不夠及時無法及時的這種解決跟處理我們來看世界各國\n391109\t403326\t主委 車輛加裝黑盒子你看歐盟已經規定在2024年7月要開始所有上市的小客車小貨車都要裝置EDR\n404722\t423525\t事件紀錄就是黑盒子那也要強化車商的資料管理責任跟提供的義務那英國有相關的規定英國自動駕駛車輛法明確的規定車輛加裝黑盒子我們看到歐盟也有相關的一個規定之外另外\n424706\t445909\t我們對於相關的這一些我們台灣的施行的法令主委你看一下我們相關的規範實行年度跟資料要求都落後於國際大概3至4年了歐盟2024年就已經要實施了我們到2027年1月1號才要實施相關的這些辦法\n448793\t477293\t進度嚴重的落後另外我們來看我們的公共運輸方面現在的公路私企客運雖然有這種類似的設備但是他們都是以數位數位式的行車資訊記錄設備就是數位大筆來進行資訊管理跟記錄但是記錄內容範圍跟管理的即時性它是遠遠落後於EDR黑核子系統\n478493\t494116\t運安會是否會主動建議公路局來督促業者改善來 主委說明一下大車的EDR我們現在正在做專案研究那麼研究成果我想我可以提供給交通部作為修法的參考\n495655\t521597\t另外我們運安會應該要善用建議來督促交通部加速推動EDR的施行的一個時程這個主委要跟交通部來督促也要建立車輛數據的透明化跟防創改的機制那車商也應該要定期接受自動車及輔助駕駛系統相關的一個安全的資訊主委來說明一下\n526383\t546489\t交通部對他目前第四二零二八齁那麼是是有一點晚啦齁那我們在工程反轉車的事故這個調查案的時候我們已經有提出改善建議啦說請交通部要跟駕駛員宣導那個ADAS就是輔助駕駛員因為他為了責任除了相關事故的調查\n547793\t574026\t很重要的一個責任就是安全的改善建議那我認為也應該要督促公路局推動公路及市區客運數位大餅的一個升級達到歐盟的標準並且納入評鑑跟集合的一個標準那交通部也必須要建立自動駕駛以及輔助駕駛的即時監管及快速的應變機制那這個是非常重要的一個環節\n575187\t578086\t最後我請教一下史哲董事長\n581634\t602781\t相關於鄰近車廂或是鄰近文化車廂或是鄰近禮貌車廂當然他的強度各有不同那我們對於相關旅客的權益以及親子的友善環境都是長久在考驗交通部的一個重要的議題那其實菜市場會長也在這邊當初台鐵的親子車廂就是有\n607902\t632580\t蔡會長跟我共同提議那後來他擔任副院長之後我就召集親子團體針對台鐵親子車廂的設計藍圖而且在施工的過程也一再的履刊施工完成之後跟蔡副院長也一起來履刊相關的親子車廂當然高鐵又不一樣\n633320\t660095\t高鐵的車廂我們沒有辦法去改當初也有這樣的一個討論但是高鐵的車廂都是日本整組進來沒有辦法去做相關的一個改裝而且這對安全也有相關的一個影響不過在整個過程裡面我對於高鐵我認為還是有失職之處就在討論整個親子友善環境以及鄰近車廂的這樣一個爭議的過程裡面\n661576\t674754\t沒有明確的來跟親子團體來對話怎樣的一個親子友善環境以及鄰近車廂的一個建立如果來達成共識這個過程高鐵沒有做到\n676070\t699724\t第二在相關的這樣的一個宣導的過程時間也不足也過於衝突這容易造成社會的一個對立其實在日本重大的交通政策我一再的跟交通部來說明跟要求重大的交通政策這種鄰近車廂親子友善的環境就是一個重大的交通議題必須要有半年以上的對話跟宣導\n701405\t722986\t高鐵也沒有做到這個高鐵董事長必須要去督促相關的改善那讓你簡單的說明一下現在你們具體的時程跟相關的改善的相關措施啊董事長說明一下好是謝謝委員我想我們每一日的勸導的案件數剛剛也有報告過大概大概是800多件平均一台列車大概是5件\n724167\t745103\t那大概50是講手機25%大概是這個3C產品戴耳機的問題那好的現象是事實上大部分的旅客街頭到券島之後事實上都非常樂意改善所以我們認為這樣子持續的精進作為事實上應該在半年之後應該這整個狀況就會大家社會大眾會接受\n745783\t763850\t委員所提到的這個車廂是不是同時都能夠親子友善這是我們的使命跟責任我們在這個部分也會持續跟大家溝通尋求更好的這個執行的方式也請你把跟要跟親子團體對話的時程也明確的來向我做報告跟說明好 謝謝\n","txt":"也要感謝我啊 我等很久也感謝李坤哲召委 謝謝來 紅夢凱召委請一下運安會林主委也請史哲董事長還有吳聖元次長\n董事長 次長請我先請教一下運安會的主委委員主委有關於長榮空服員在9月25號結束飛航任務之後返台因為身體不適送醫院急診不幸在10月10號宣告不治死亡那其實長榮航空公司對於員工的苛刻\n跟不重視員工的權益其實在過往都有很多的事蹟那我們看到空服員跟相關的人員工會他們的反應跟投訴就是有關於空服員他們請病假或者是試假他們就會喪失他們在排班\n航線跟休假相關選擇的一個權利那這不只是控務員的問題機師同樣面對高工時以及高度壓力的工作環境\n他們的飛行時數很長休息時間是否充足而且這種跨時區的高精神壓力的這種工作環境之下是否造成了疲勞駕駛\n對於相關的飛行的判斷會出現誤差這關係到飛航整體的一個安全如果我們按照SMS安全管理系統航空公司的管理者他對於相關的風險\n不管是要辨識要控制要相關的這個做處理但是他們在相關自己排辦的過程就產生這種造成疲勞的這樣的一個高度疲勞影響飛安的狀況我是具體建議應該要仿效美國的運安會督促相關的單位必須去落實相關的一個督促\n對於值班對於相關的這種疲勞影響非安的狀況必須嚴格的督促來說明一下包委我們事實上對會員事務的調查每個案子都會把這個所謂疲勞管理排班的制度都會做檢討那這個案子我們會跟民安局聯繫就是看看民安局需不需因為我們有一個疲勞風險分析的軟體我們會協助他\n那SMS它最主要它就是要去管理者要去落實相關的這種風險但是它對於相關的這些排班所造成的疲勞影響飛安的因素確實是會衝擊旅客的安全這個必須要重視那我們必須要建立透明而且可追蹤的這種報告的機制要落實勤務的排程跟相關的休息制度的安全的監控\n另外運安會我認為還是要建立民航局檢視各航空業者他的排班的一個規定避免不合理的排班方式透過系統性的監督跟調整來強化飛航組員的健康跟安全的一個保障那從根本上要來提升這種運輸的安全這個請您主委要去督促\n另外我們現在看到相關的這樣的一個科技創新跟生態永續的觀念之下不管是車輛的電動化跟它的智慧駕駛都是成為車業發展未來的一個趨勢但這樣一個趨勢之下我們也看到很多的問題不管是它的監督電動車的監督機制\n數據的一個管理或是安全責任事故分析等等現在都成為世界各國一個高度注意的一個焦點那我們看到美國跟日本都有發生相關的這種自動車的或是輔助駕駛所產生的一個安全危害的案例我們台灣問題也相當的嚴重我們看到\n公路局的一個反撞車的遭撞統計在目前我們台灣的交通系統其實我知道交通部是有做相關的統計但是比較明確的是反撞車輛遭撞的這樣的一個統計就是有配備ADAS車輛以及有開啟ADAS車輛的這樣的\n遭到撞擊的這樣的一個數據有呈現出來ATAS就是車輛的輔助駕駛系統\n那它是逐年增加那我現在是具體要求我們要求交通部必須把針對相關自動駕駛以及輔助駕駛所造成的車輛的明確數據必須跟警政署要建立明確的數據並且向社會來公告那我們從高工局緩撞車遭自動駕駛或輔助駕駛\n撞擊的這樣的一個例子來說我們可以看到件數都是明顯的一個增加這是我們必須要去注意的我必須要說我們世界各國他們對於電動車以及輔助駕駛的安全關注是越來越高我們看到我們自動駕駛的機制有三個主要的問題\n第一個就是駕駛數據的透明化跟監管機制仍然不足甚至出現掩蓋篡改的數據的這種情形第二個是技術的成熟度跟不同駕駛環境的適應性他還是未見足夠的一個完善第三是監督管理機制不夠及時無法及時的這種解決跟處理我們來看世界各國\n主委 車輛加裝黑盒子你看歐盟已經規定在2024年7月要開始所有上市的小客車小貨車都要裝置EDR\n事件紀錄就是黑盒子那也要強化車商的資料管理責任跟提供的義務那英國有相關的規定英國自動駕駛車輛法明確的規定車輛加裝黑盒子我們看到歐盟也有相關的一個規定之外另外\n我們對於相關的這一些我們台灣的施行的法令主委你看一下我們相關的規範實行年度跟資料要求都落後於國際大概3至4年了歐盟2024年就已經要實施了我們到2027年1月1號才要實施相關的這些辦法\n進度嚴重的落後另外我們來看我們的公共運輸方面現在的公路私企客運雖然有這種類似的設備但是他們都是以數位數位式的行車資訊記錄設備就是數位大筆來進行資訊管理跟記錄但是記錄內容範圍跟管理的即時性它是遠遠落後於EDR黑核子系統\n運安會是否會主動建議公路局來督促業者改善來 主委說明一下大車的EDR我們現在正在做專案研究那麼研究成果我想我可以提供給交通部作為修法的參考\n另外我們運安會應該要善用建議來督促交通部加速推動EDR的施行的一個時程這個主委要跟交通部來督促也要建立車輛數據的透明化跟防創改的機制那車商也應該要定期接受自動車及輔助駕駛系統相關的一個安全的資訊主委來說明一下\n交通部對他目前第四二零二八齁那麼是是有一點晚啦齁那我們在工程反轉車的事故這個調查案的時候我們已經有提出改善建議啦說請交通部要跟駕駛員宣導那個ADAS就是輔助駕駛員因為他為了責任除了相關事故的調查\n很重要的一個責任就是安全的改善建議那我認為也應該要督促公路局推動公路及市區客運數位大餅的一個升級達到歐盟的標準並且納入評鑑跟集合的一個標準那交通部也必須要建立自動駕駛以及輔助駕駛的即時監管及快速的應變機制那這個是非常重要的一個環節\n最後我請教一下史哲董事長\n相關於鄰近車廂或是鄰近文化車廂或是鄰近禮貌車廂當然他的強度各有不同那我們對於相關旅客的權益以及親子的友善環境都是長久在考驗交通部的一個重要的議題那其實菜市場會長也在這邊當初台鐵的親子車廂就是有\n蔡會長跟我共同提議那後來他擔任副院長之後我就召集親子團體針對台鐵親子車廂的設計藍圖而且在施工的過程也一再的履刊施工完成之後跟蔡副院長也一起來履刊相關的親子車廂當然高鐵又不一樣\n高鐵的車廂我們沒有辦法去改當初也有這樣的一個討論但是高鐵的車廂都是日本整組進來沒有辦法去做相關的一個改裝而且這對安全也有相關的一個影響不過在整個過程裡面我對於高鐵我認為還是有失職之處就在討論整個親子友善環境以及鄰近車廂的這樣一個爭議的過程裡面\n沒有明確的來跟親子團體來對話怎樣的一個親子友善環境以及鄰近車廂的一個建立如果來達成共識這個過程高鐵沒有做到\n第二在相關的這樣的一個宣導的過程時間也不足也過於衝突這容易造成社會的一個對立其實在日本重大的交通政策我一再的跟交通部來說明跟要求重大的交通政策這種鄰近車廂親子友善的環境就是一個重大的交通議題必須要有半年以上的對話跟宣導\n高鐵也沒有做到這個高鐵董事長必須要去督促相關的改善那讓你簡單的說明一下現在你們具體的時程跟相關的改善的相關措施啊董事長說明一下好是謝謝委員我想我們每一日的勸導的案件數剛剛也有報告過大概大概是800多件平均一台列車大概是5件\n那大概50是講手機25%大概是這個3C產品戴耳機的問題那好的現象是事實上大部分的旅客街頭到券島之後事實上都非常樂意改善所以我們認為這樣子持續的精進作為事實上應該在半年之後應該這整個狀況就會大家社會大眾會接受\n委員所提到的這個車廂是不是同時都能夠親子友善這是我們的使命跟責任我們在這個部分也會持續跟大家溝通尋求更好的這個執行的方式也請你把跟要跟親子團體對話的時程也明確的來向我做報告跟說明好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.799 --> 00:16.837\n也要感謝我啊我等很久也感謝李坤哲召委謝謝來紅夢凱召委請一下運安會林主委也請史哲董事長還有吳聖元次長\n\n00:17.998 --> 00:43.436\n董事長次長請我先請教一下運安會的主委委員主委有關於長榮空服員在9月25號結束飛航任務之後返台因為身體不適送醫院急診不幸在10月10號宣告不治死亡那其實長榮航空公司對於員工的苛刻\n\n00:44.298 --> 01:09.554\n跟不重視員工的權益其實在過往都有很多的事蹟那我們看到空服員跟相關的人員工會他們的反應跟投訴就是有關於空服員他們請病假或者是試假他們就會喪失他們在排班\n\n01:10.612 --> 01:24.967\n航線跟休假相關選擇的一個權利那這不只是控務員的問題機師同樣面對高工時以及高度壓力的工作環境\n\n01:25.928 --> 01:39.886\n他們的飛行時數很長休息時間是否充足而且這種跨時區的高精神壓力的這種工作環境之下是否造成了疲勞駕駛\n\n01:42.194 --> 01:56.080\n對於相關的飛行的判斷會出現誤差這關係到飛航整體的一個安全如果我們按照SMS安全管理系統航空公司的管理者他對於相關的風險\n\n01:57.361 --> 02:21.168\n不管是要辨識要控制要相關的這個做處理但是他們在相關自己排辦的過程就產生這種造成疲勞的這樣的一個高度疲勞影響飛安的狀況我是具體建議應該要仿效美國的運安會督促相關的單位必須去落實相關的一個督促\n\n02:22.148 --> 02:46.039\n對於值班對於相關的這種疲勞影響非安的狀況必須嚴格的督促來說明一下包委我們事實上對會員事務的調查每個案子都會把這個所謂疲勞管理排班的制度都會做檢討那這個案子我們會跟民安局聯繫就是看看民安局需不需因為我們有一個疲勞風險分析的軟體我們會協助他\n\n02:48.567 --> 03:16.333\n那SMS它最主要它就是要去管理者要去落實相關的這種風險但是它對於相關的這些排班所造成的疲勞影響飛安的因素確實是會衝擊旅客的安全這個必須要重視那我們必須要建立透明而且可追蹤的這種報告的機制要落實勤務的排程跟相關的休息制度的安全的監控\n\n03:17.153 --> 03:41.642\n另外運安會我認為還是要建立民航局檢視各航空業者他的排班的一個規定避免不合理的排班方式透過系統性的監督跟調整來強化飛航組員的健康跟安全的一個保障那從根本上要來提升這種運輸的安全這個請您主委要去督促\n\n03:42.382 --> 04:05.059\n另外我們現在看到相關的這樣的一個科技創新跟生態永續的觀念之下不管是車輛的電動化跟它的智慧駕駛都是成為車業發展未來的一個趨勢但這樣一個趨勢之下我們也看到很多的問題不管是它的監督電動車的監督機制\n\n04:08.622 --> 04:33.719\n數據的一個管理或是安全責任事故分析等等現在都成為世界各國一個高度注意的一個焦點那我們看到美國跟日本都有發生相關的這種自動車的或是輔助駕駛所產生的一個安全危害的案例我們台灣問題也相當的嚴重我們看到\n\n04:34.540 --> 04:54.976\n公路局的一個反撞車的遭撞統計在目前我們台灣的交通系統其實我知道交通部是有做相關的統計但是比較明確的是反撞車輛遭撞的這樣的一個統計就是有配備ADAS車輛以及有開啟ADAS車輛的這樣的\n\n04:58.519 --> 05:04.189\n遭到撞擊的這樣的一個數據有呈現出來ATAS就是車輛的輔助駕駛系統\n\n05:06.653 --> 05:31.433\n那它是逐年增加那我現在是具體要求我們要求交通部必須把針對相關自動駕駛以及輔助駕駛所造成的車輛的明確數據必須跟警政署要建立明確的數據並且向社會來公告那我們從高工局緩撞車遭自動駕駛或輔助駕駛\n\n05:34.403 --> 06:00.537\n撞擊的這樣的一個例子來說我們可以看到件數都是明顯的一個增加這是我們必須要去注意的我必須要說我們世界各國他們對於電動車以及輔助駕駛的安全關注是越來越高我們看到我們自動駕駛的機制有三個主要的問題\n\n06:02.090 --> 06:30.068\n第一個就是駕駛數據的透明化跟監管機制仍然不足甚至出現掩蓋篡改的數據的這種情形第二個是技術的成熟度跟不同駕駛環境的適應性他還是未見足夠的一個完善第三是監督管理機制不夠及時無法及時的這種解決跟處理我們來看世界各國\n\n06:31.109 --> 06:43.326\n主委車輛加裝黑盒子你看歐盟已經規定在2024年7月要開始所有上市的小客車小貨車都要裝置EDR\n\n06:44.722 --> 07:03.525\n事件紀錄就是黑盒子那也要強化車商的資料管理責任跟提供的義務那英國有相關的規定英國自動駕駛車輛法明確的規定車輛加裝黑盒子我們看到歐盟也有相關的一個規定之外另外\n\n07:04.706 --> 07:25.909\n我們對於相關的這一些我們台灣的施行的法令主委你看一下我們相關的規範實行年度跟資料要求都落後於國際大概3至4年了歐盟2024年就已經要實施了我們到2027年1月1號才要實施相關的這些辦法\n\n07:28.793 --> 07:57.293\n進度嚴重的落後另外我們來看我們的公共運輸方面現在的公路私企客運雖然有這種類似的設備但是他們都是以數位數位式的行車資訊記錄設備就是數位大筆來進行資訊管理跟記錄但是記錄內容範圍跟管理的即時性它是遠遠落後於EDR黑核子系統\n\n07:58.493 --> 08:14.116\n運安會是否會主動建議公路局來督促業者改善來主委說明一下大車的EDR我們現在正在做專案研究那麼研究成果我想我可以提供給交通部作為修法的參考\n\n08:15.655 --> 08:41.597\n另外我們運安會應該要善用建議來督促交通部加速推動EDR的施行的一個時程這個主委要跟交通部來督促也要建立車輛數據的透明化跟防創改的機制那車商也應該要定期接受自動車及輔助駕駛系統相關的一個安全的資訊主委來說明一下\n\n08:46.383 --> 09:06.489\n交通部對他目前第四二零二八齁那麼是是有一點晚啦齁那我們在工程反轉車的事故這個調查案的時候我們已經有提出改善建議啦說請交通部要跟駕駛員宣導那個ADAS就是輔助駕駛員因為他為了責任除了相關事故的調查\n\n09:07.793 --> 09:34.026\n很重要的一個責任就是安全的改善建議那我認為也應該要督促公路局推動公路及市區客運數位大餅的一個升級達到歐盟的標準並且納入評鑑跟集合的一個標準那交通部也必須要建立自動駕駛以及輔助駕駛的即時監管及快速的應變機制那這個是非常重要的一個環節\n\n09:35.187 --> 09:38.086\n最後我請教一下史哲董事長\n\n09:41.634 --> 10:02.781\n相關於鄰近車廂或是鄰近文化車廂或是鄰近禮貌車廂當然他的強度各有不同那我們對於相關旅客的權益以及親子的友善環境都是長久在考驗交通部的一個重要的議題那其實菜市場會長也在這邊當初台鐵的親子車廂就是有\n\n10:07.902 --> 10:32.580\n蔡會長跟我共同提議那後來他擔任副院長之後我就召集親子團體針對台鐵親子車廂的設計藍圖而且在施工的過程也一再的履刊施工完成之後跟蔡副院長也一起來履刊相關的親子車廂當然高鐵又不一樣\n\n10:33.320 --> 11:00.095\n高鐵的車廂我們沒有辦法去改當初也有這樣的一個討論但是高鐵的車廂都是日本整組進來沒有辦法去做相關的一個改裝而且這對安全也有相關的一個影響不過在整個過程裡面我對於高鐵我認為還是有失職之處就在討論整個親子友善環境以及鄰近車廂的這樣一個爭議的過程裡面\n\n11:01.576 --> 11:14.754\n沒有明確的來跟親子團體來對話怎樣的一個親子友善環境以及鄰近車廂的一個建立如果來達成共識這個過程高鐵沒有做到\n\n11:16.070 --> 11:39.724\n第二在相關的這樣的一個宣導的過程時間也不足也過於衝突這容易造成社會的一個對立其實在日本重大的交通政策我一再的跟交通部來說明跟要求重大的交通政策這種鄰近車廂親子友善的環境就是一個重大的交通議題必須要有半年以上的對話跟宣導\n\n11:41.405 --> 12:02.986\n高鐵也沒有做到這個高鐵董事長必須要去督促相關的改善那讓你簡單的說明一下現在你們具體的時程跟相關的改善的相關措施啊董事長說明一下好是謝謝委員我想我們每一日的勸導的案件數剛剛也有報告過大概大概是800多件平均一台列車大概是5件\n\n12:04.167 --> 12:25.103\n那大概50是講手機25%大概是這個3C產品戴耳機的問題那好的現象是事實上大部分的旅客街頭到券島之後事實上都非常樂意改善所以我們認為這樣子持續的精進作為事實上應該在半年之後應該這整個狀況就會大家社會大眾會接受\n\n12:25.783 --> 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車輛加裝黑盒子你看歐盟已經規定在2024年7月要開始所有上市的小客車小貨車都要裝置EDR"},{"start":404.722,"end":423.525,"text":"事件紀錄就是黑盒子那也要強化車商的資料管理責任跟提供的義務那英國有相關的規定英國自動駕駛車輛法明確的規定車輛加裝黑盒子我們看到歐盟也有相關的一個規定之外另外"},{"start":424.706,"end":445.909,"text":"我們對於相關的這一些我們台灣的施行的法令主委你看一下我們相關的規範實行年度跟資料要求都落後於國際大概3至4年了歐盟2024年就已經要實施了我們到2027年1月1號才要實施相關的這些辦法"},{"start":448.793,"end":477.293,"text":"進度嚴重的落後另外我們來看我們的公共運輸方面現在的公路私企客運雖然有這種類似的設備但是他們都是以數位數位式的行車資訊記錄設備就是數位大筆來進行資訊管理跟記錄但是記錄內容範圍跟管理的即時性它是遠遠落後於EDR黑核子系統"},{"start":478.493,"end":494.116,"text":"運安會是否會主動建議公路局來督促業者改善來 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