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00:01:18,274\n會被渲染成大家都好像感同身受是因為長期以來爸爸媽媽在帶小孩子出門的時候因為小孩子不受控嘛所以長期以來包括社會對於小朋友的容忍力造成了爸爸媽媽帶他們到各個場合的時候都會有一個無形的社會氛圍的一個壓力那這股壓力在這個高鐵的寧靜車廂的事件爆發了出來我想\n\n5\n00:01:18,874 --> 00:01:33,649\n不要講高鐵好了比如說我們今天去搭飛機其實每個爸爸媽媽帶小孩子去搭飛機的時候心裡都是壓力很大的我們不知道小孩子在飛機上面他會不會不受控制那我相信這樣子大家都能夠感受到說爸爸媽媽其實\n\n6\n00:01:34,890 --> 00:02:00,200\n這段時間以來一直以來帶小孩出來的時候都有壓力那我相信也包括在推您進車廂之前我相信許多的爸爸媽媽他也不希望自己的小朋友去找到別人他在搭之前他可能會思考一下我要不要搭其他工具這是長期以來社會給這些爸爸媽媽的一些壓力那一部分可能是社會上面給予的集體的氛圍一部分是我今天要跟董事長講的就是一個環境的營造\n\n7\n00:02:00,740 --> 00:02:28,098\n那我知道我們高鐵有發聲明因為有人建議說我們高鐵是不是要設立親子車廂那我們高鐵目前是傾向於暫時還沒有規劃那當初的理由是可能是搭乘率的一些問題那我可能可以想到如果說設了親子車廂那小朋友去其他車廂的時候會不會也一樣同樣受到不禮貌的一些對待說你為什麼不去搭親子車廂或者是我在親子車廂不代表我就能夠吵吵鬧鬧嘛有一些人在一般的車廂買不到票\n\n8\n00:02:29,099 --> 00:02:43,249\n那他只能去搭親子車廂的時候那我可能會認為說就算是親子車廂但你也不應該要吵到這種程度我可以理解我們在設置的時候我們也怕避免寧靜車廂的一些問題重蹈覆轍但是我認為可以在一些\n\n9\n00:02:44,410 --> 00:03:00,116\n環境上面不是那麼制式的規定上面去著手比如說我們高鐵我們可以他就是有一列車廂我們不要去說他是親子車廂我們不要說我們鼓勵小朋友優先來搭這台列車但是我們可以在\n\n10\n00:03:01,516 --> 00:03:14,146\n他的那一節車廂去做一些環境的營造比如說他本身車廂裡面就有一些比較可愛的一些環境貼圖的營造或者是說每一個小朋友在搭這個車廂的時候我們都可以準備一個小東西比如說我們在商務車廂的時候每個乘客都會你們都會有水或者是餅乾本來就有這樣的一個配置\n\n11\n00:03:22,512 --> 00:03:27,997\n那我們在可能在特定的車廂的時候這個車廂他本來可能看到小朋友我們就會準備一個小禮物給他我們不用說他是親子車廂每個人都可以來搭我們在這個車廂我們每個人都必須要保持我們的一個搭乘列車公共環境運輸的一個禮儀的文化\n\n12\n00:03:39,326 --> 00:03:55,599\n但是我們可以感受到我們這個車廂他對於小朋友是相對友善的我不曉得這樣子的一個想法他不是那麼的硬性那不曉得我們的高鐵公司可不可以朝這樣子的方向就是從環境的氛圍讓我們的爸爸媽媽在他搭高鐵的時候\n\n13\n00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:18,272\n他所受到的一個心理壓力是相對起來是比較舒適的輕鬆的好謝謝委員我想請委員剛剛點出一個很重要的事情高鐵已經開通18年過去18年來應該大家對高鐵的服務並沒有感覺有不友善親子所以這一次你進車廂恐怕應該就是委員所講的他其實背後承載的是整個大環境大家的一些\n\n14\n00:04:19,473 --> 00:04:48,395\n期待啦或者是一些抱怨那只是在寧靜車廂這件事情上大家這個找了一個出口而已是所以不完全是高鐵的做法上有什麼改變這個謝謝委員的肯定第二個就是說委員剛剛提到就是說在不設置親子車廂的狀況底下我們其他的手法可以強化我們對親子友善的這個態度對親子友善譬如說剛剛高鐵董事長你在報告的時候說小朋友吵鬧您可能可以給個貼紙嘛這個可能是沒有劇分車廂嘛這是我們可能過去做的啦\n\n15\n00:04:49,215 --> 00:05:17,889\n我想这个部分我们也愿意强化来研议我想只要能够不影响高铁本身核心的目的就是高速而且快速便捷的公共运输的目的我想我们其实各项的手法我们都愿意来精进就是我们其实是很愿意帮忙也愿意帮忙来安抚用各式各样的手段只是说如果有一些方法会造成其他的冲突那我们也误会我们也会避免\n\n16\n00:05:18,109 --> 00:05:36,820\n我知道重點是怎麼樣子把我們高鐵的一個我不要說他是因為寧靜車廂所產生的一個問題而是長期以來因為高鐵本來就是給一般民眾他是比較其實一個人到了一個可能比較高鐵的搭乘的費用是比較高的嘛到費用比較高的時候大家本來就會有心理的一個對這個\n\n17\n00:05:38,941 --> 00:06:04,334\n環境的一個期待那同時對這個期待同時的時候也會連帶的對其搭乘的人他會產生一點心理壓力尤其是帶小朋友的人那我們怎麼在規劃上面能夠藉著我不是說批評我們寧靜車廂而是藉由這一次社會對高鐵帶小朋友文化的高度討論下那我們高鐵是不是能夠做一些比過去更好的一些措施讓我們的爸爸媽媽帶小朋友能夠更舒適更放心\n\n18\n00:06:05,675 --> 00:06:23,969\n謝謝謝謝委員我想我們會來推動離境車廂跟親子友善並存親子友善那你們目前除了剛剛講的送送小貼紙之外有沒有一些討論中的政策是覺得讓大家覺得我們高鐵在對於親子友善這方面好像真的有在重視我們會繼續研議也歡迎委員幫我們來所以目前還沒有一些正式的方案出來\n\n19\n00:06:24,509 --> 00:06:40,660\n還沒有謝謝就除了送貼紙沒關係啦我沒有說不好啦因為畢竟小朋友每個小朋友個性不一樣嘛對不對我知道那可能需要一個百寶箱或許有一些家長不喜歡你對他的小孩做太多的事情我了解啦但是希望說我們連送貼紙也有一些家長會拒絕會認為說這好像有一點\n\n20\n00:06:43,803 --> 00:06:56,662\n就是就每個家長教育小孩的方式不一樣好不好那我希望說從環境的營造方面讓我們的小朋友在搭的時候能夠家長在搭的時候能夠更輕鬆我們來努力好謝謝好那接下來我請我們那個武次長還有我們楊局長\n\n21\n00:07:08,394 --> 00:07:24,084\n市長好市長那今天請教的就是我們的金融捷運啦已經這個去年2月1號就1月31啦1月31好像就核定了嘛那目前基本設計還沒有核定嘛對不對那目前我們的進度那跟我們的紛爭跟未來的規劃大概是什麼樣啦\n\n22\n00:07:26,108 --> 00:07:43,068\n基本設計的部分現在是這樣子新北市政府當然就是工程會要審的啦但是他送上來經過交通部嘛對啊我沒有看但是他跟當時政府規劃的部分差太多那這部分他們要把整體的環境的達成品質提升嘛\n\n23\n00:07:43,857 --> 00:08:00,407\n對但是這個就會跟原來的規劃的不一樣對核定的內容不一樣所以這部分我們是認為這個應該要再想看看應該怎麼樣才讓跟原來的計劃要能夠核定的要能夠相符這部分我們是跟他請他再做一個考量這樣\n\n24\n00:08:01,167 --> 00:08:24,416\n那如果說因為牽扯到了就是修正計畫可能會花太多的時間嘛對不對那個其實這個行政程序我不想講太多啦但是基隆捷運這個案子當初是我們鐵道局規劃我們交通部鐵道局規劃的那規劃後續那就請地方政府去執行結果現在地方政府在執行的時候就變成說我們在嚴格的審查他\n\n25\n00:08:25,296 --> 00:08:49,747\n我們是站在一個協助的角度讓怎麼樣讓這個案子能夠更快速的去做推動我跟委員報告我們沒有嚴格審查他這個審查其實要等大家都知道那我們還是會繼續站在協助立場當然我瞭解好像是九月他現在又再報上來我們再來看一下檢視跟當時的中規的內容核定的部分行政合併的內容是不是一致\n\n26\n00:08:50,587 --> 00:09:01,458\n當然是有不一致所以你們才會但是如果我說如果這些不一致是不是我們不能送出去的關鍵原因如果變化太大的話就變得不一樣他們是想要可能當初我們鐵道局的規劃他們認為說可以提高更好的一個規格讓旅客有更好的搭乘品質這是好的對不對是不是好的這個很難講\n\n27\n00:09:14,871 --> 00:09:37,904\n給更好的大正面積不一定是更好的對剛剛講的好不好是有點我希望次長你能夠了解到基隆捷運這個捷運跟其他地方政府自己原本提出的捷運它是有本質上的不一樣這一個基隆捷運是當初蔡英文總統極力推動的那由我們交通部鐵路局去主導的一個案件那不是地方政府提上來的案件那在這個\n\n28\n00:09:39,521 --> 00:10:05,335\n過去這個基隆案基隆捷運在討論過程中很謝謝我們鐵道局的一個協助那現在地方政府在規劃了那只是希望說我們的交通部在後續的審查能夠盡速協助地方政府有一些東西能夠我們知道這個方向是好的我們就盡速把它提送到我們的工程會去做經費的審議如果說有一些後續要再修的我們再來輔導我們的地方政府盡速修總不能一個案子\n\n29\n00:10:06,295 --> 00:10:23,126\n中規過了那卡在這邊卡了這麼久我想這個不是過去不論是我們蔡英文總統或者是地方民眾對這條基隆捷運的一個期待在行政流程上面我們能夠協助的就拜託我們交通部盡速的來協助是好謝謝委員我們今天來協助謝謝謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n583\t4879\t好謝謝召委麻煩我們請我們高鐵董事長施董事長請\n13075\t35514\t委員好 董事長好就這幾天反正大家包括前幾天包括今天在立法院大家都在討論寧靜車廂這個話題那當然經過高鐵的充分說明我們可以了解到我們高鐵的目的就是希望每一位乘客都能夠自己去不管是自己去提升所謂的搭車文化的一個理由我想這是最終的一個目的那只是說在過程中在執行的過程中\n36274\t50089\t或許在表達方面或者是執行上面有一些初期的一些問題要去檢討那這部分我也認為這是一個好的方向只是說要去怎麼去做得更好而已那再次說為什麼這一次的議題會造成這麼大的一個風波為什麼親子的議題\n52791\t78274\t會被渲染成大家都好像感同身受是因為長期以來爸爸媽媽在帶小孩子出門的時候因為小孩子不受控嘛所以長期以來包括社會對於小朋友的容忍力造成了爸爸媽媽帶他們到各個場合的時候都會有一個無形的社會氛圍的一個壓力那這股壓力在這個高鐵的寧靜車廂的事件爆發了出來我想\n78874\t93649\t不要講高鐵好了比如說我們今天去搭飛機其實每個爸爸媽媽帶小孩子去搭飛機的時候心裡都是壓力很大的我們不知道小孩子在飛機上面他會不會不受控制那我相信這樣子大家都能夠感受到說爸爸媽媽其實\n94890\t120200\t這段時間以來一直以來帶小孩出來的時候都有壓力那我相信也包括在推您進車廂之前我相信許多的爸爸媽媽他也不希望自己的小朋友去找到別人他在搭之前他可能會思考一下我要不要搭其他工具這是長期以來社會給這些爸爸媽媽的一些壓力那一部分可能是社會上面給予的集體的氛圍一部分是我今天要跟董事長講的就是一個環境的營造\n120740\t148098\t那我知道我們高鐵有發聲明因為有人建議說我們高鐵是不是要設立親子車廂那我們高鐵目前是傾向於暫時還沒有規劃那當初的理由是可能是搭乘率的一些問題那我可能可以想到如果說設了親子車廂那小朋友去其他車廂的時候會不會也一樣同樣受到不禮貌的一些對待說你為什麼不去搭親子車廂或者是我在親子車廂不代表我就能夠吵吵鬧鬧嘛有一些人在一般的車廂買不到票\n149099\t163249\t那他只能去搭親子車廂的時候那我可能會認為說就算是親子車廂但你也不應該要吵到這種程度我可以理解我們在設置的時候我們也怕避免寧靜車廂的一些問題重蹈覆轍但是我認為可以在一些\n164410\t180116\t環境上面不是那麼制式的規定上面去著手比如說我們高鐵我們可以他就是有一列車廂我們不要去說他是親子車廂我們不要說我們鼓勵小朋友優先來搭這台列車但是我們可以在\n181516\t194146\t他的那一節車廂去做一些環境的營造比如說他本身車廂裡面就有一些比較可愛的一些環境貼圖的營造或者是說每一個小朋友在搭這個車廂的時候我們都可以準備一個小東西比如說我們在商務車廂的時候每個乘客都會你們都會有水或者是餅乾本來就有這樣的一個配置\n202512\t207997\t那我們在可能在特定的車廂的時候這個車廂他本來可能看到小朋友我們就會準備一個小禮物給他我們不用說他是親子車廂每個人都可以來搭我們在這個車廂我們每個人都必須要保持我們的一個搭乘列車公共環境運輸的一個禮儀的文化\n219326\t235599\t但是我們可以感受到我們這個車廂他對於小朋友是相對友善的我不曉得這樣子的一個想法他不是那麼的硬性那不曉得我們的高鐵公司可不可以朝這樣子的方向就是從環境的氛圍讓我們的爸爸媽媽在他搭高鐵的時候\n236920\t258272\t他所受到的一個心理壓力是相對起來是比較舒適的 輕鬆的好 謝謝委員 我想請委員剛剛點出一個很重要的事情高鐵已經開通18年 過去18年來應該大家對高鐵的服務並沒有感覺有不友善親子所以這一次你進車廂恐怕應該就是委員所講的他其實背後承載的是整個大環境大家的一些\n259473\t288395\t期待啦或者是一些抱怨那只是在寧靜車廂這件事情上大家這個找了一個出口而已是所以不完全是高鐵的做法上有什麼改變這個謝謝委員的肯定第二個就是說委員剛剛提到就是說在不設置親子車廂的狀況底下我們其他的手法可以強化我們對親子友善的這個態度對親子友善譬如說剛剛高鐵董事長你在報告的時候說小朋友吵鬧您可能可以給個貼紙嘛這個可能是沒有劇分車廂嘛這是我們可能過去做的啦\n289215\t317889\t我想这个部分我们也愿意强化来研议我想只要能够不影响高铁本身核心的目的就是高速而且快速便捷的公共运输的目的我想我们其实各项的手法我们都愿意来精进就是我们其实是很愿意帮忙也愿意帮忙来安抚用各式各样的手段只是说如果有一些方法会造成其他的冲突那我们也误会我们也会避免\n318109\t336820\t我知道重點是怎麼樣子把我們高鐵的一個我不要說他是因為寧靜車廂所產生的一個問題而是長期以來因為高鐵本來就是給一般民眾他是比較其實一個人到了一個可能比較高鐵的搭乘的費用是比較高的嘛到費用比較高的時候大家本來就會有心理的一個對這個\n338941\t364334\t環境的一個期待那同時對這個期待同時的時候也會連帶的對其搭乘的人他會產生一點心理壓力尤其是帶小朋友的人那我們怎麼在規劃上面能夠藉著我不是說批評我們寧靜車廂而是藉由這一次社會對高鐵帶小朋友文化的高度討論下那我們高鐵是不是能夠做一些比過去更好的一些措施讓我們的爸爸媽媽帶小朋友能夠更舒適更放心\n365675\t383969\t謝謝謝謝委員我想我們會來推動離境車廂跟親子友善並存親子友善那你們目前除了剛剛講的送送小貼紙之外有沒有一些討論中的政策是覺得讓大家覺得我們高鐵在對於親子友善這方面好像真的有在重視我們會繼續研議也歡迎委員幫我們來所以目前還沒有一些正式的方案出來\n384509\t400660\t還沒有 謝謝就除了送貼紙沒關係啦我沒有說不好啦因為畢竟小朋友每個小朋友個性不一樣嘛對不對我知道那可能需要一個百寶箱或許有一些家長不喜歡你對他的小孩做太多的事情我了解啦但是希望說我們連送貼紙也有一些家長會拒絕會認為說這好像有一點\n403803\t416662\t就是就每個家長教育小孩的方式不一樣好不好那我希望說從環境的營造方面讓我們的小朋友在搭的時候能夠家長在搭的時候能夠更輕鬆我們來努力好謝謝好那接下來我請我們那個武次長還有我們楊局長\n428394\t444084\t市長好市長那今天請教的就是我們的金融捷運啦已經這個去年2月1號就1月31啦1月31好像就核定了嘛那目前基本設計還沒有核定嘛對不對那目前我們的進度那跟我們的紛爭跟未來的規劃大概是什麼樣啦\n446108\t463068\t基本設計的部分現在是這樣子新北市政府當然就是工程會要審的啦但是他送上來經過交通部嘛對啊 我沒有看但是他跟當時政府規劃的部分差太多那這部分他們要把整體的環境的達成品質提升嘛\n463857\t480407\t對 但是這個就會跟原來的規劃的不一樣對 核定的內容不一樣所以這部分我們是認為這個應該要再想看看應該怎麼樣才讓跟原來的計劃要能夠核定的要能夠相符這部分我們是跟他請他再做一個考量這樣\n481167\t504416\t那如果說因為牽扯到了就是修正計畫可能會花太多的時間嘛對不對那個其實這個行政程序我不想講太多啦但是基隆捷運這個案子當初是我們鐵道局規劃我們交通部鐵道局規劃的那規劃後續那就請地方政府去執行結果現在地方政府在執行的時候就變成說我們在嚴格的審查他\n505296\t529747\t我們是站在一個協助的角度讓怎麼樣讓這個案子能夠更快速的去做推動我跟委員報告我們沒有嚴格審查他這個審查其實要等大家都知道那我們還是會繼續站在協助立場當然我瞭解好像是九月他現在又再報上來我們再來看一下檢視跟當時的中規的內容核定的部分行政合併的內容是不是一致\n530587\t541458\t當然是有不一致所以你們才會但是如果我說如果這些不一致是不是我們不能送出去的關鍵原因如果變化太大的話就變得不一樣他們是想要可能當初我們鐵道局的規劃他們認為說可以提高更好的一個規格讓旅客有更好的搭乘品質這是好的對不對是不是好的這個很難講\n554871\t577904\t給更好的大正面積不一定是更好的對 剛剛講的好不好是有點我希望次長你能夠了解到基隆捷運這個捷運跟其他地方政府自己原本提出的捷運它是有本質上的不一樣這一個基隆捷運是當初蔡英文總統極力推動的那由我們交通部鐵路局去主導的一個案件那不是地方政府提上來的案件那在這個\n579521\t605335\t過去這個基隆案基隆捷運在討論過程中很謝謝我們鐵道局的一個協助那現在地方政府在規劃了那只是希望說我們的交通部在後續的審查能夠盡速協助地方政府有一些東西能夠我們知道這個方向是好的我們就盡速把它提送到我們的工程會去做經費的審議如果說有一些後續要再修的我們再來輔導我們的地方政府盡速修總不能一個案子\n606295\t623126\t中規過了那卡在這邊卡了這麼久我想這個不是過去不論是我們蔡英文總統或者是地方民眾對這條基隆捷運的一個期待在行政流程上面我們能夠協助的就拜託我們交通部盡速的來協助是好謝謝委員我們今天來協助謝謝謝謝\n","txt":"好謝謝召委麻煩我們請我們高鐵董事長施董事長請\n委員好 董事長好就這幾天反正大家包括前幾天包括今天在立法院大家都在討論寧靜車廂這個話題那當然經過高鐵的充分說明我們可以了解到我們高鐵的目的就是希望每一位乘客都能夠自己去不管是自己去提升所謂的搭車文化的一個理由我想這是最終的一個目的那只是說在過程中在執行的過程中\n或許在表達方面或者是執行上面有一些初期的一些問題要去檢討那這部分我也認為這是一個好的方向只是說要去怎麼去做得更好而已那再次說為什麼這一次的議題會造成這麼大的一個風波為什麼親子的議題\n會被渲染成大家都好像感同身受是因為長期以來爸爸媽媽在帶小孩子出門的時候因為小孩子不受控嘛所以長期以來包括社會對於小朋友的容忍力造成了爸爸媽媽帶他們到各個場合的時候都會有一個無形的社會氛圍的一個壓力那這股壓力在這個高鐵的寧靜車廂的事件爆發了出來我想\n不要講高鐵好了比如說我們今天去搭飛機其實每個爸爸媽媽帶小孩子去搭飛機的時候心裡都是壓力很大的我們不知道小孩子在飛機上面他會不會不受控制那我相信這樣子大家都能夠感受到說爸爸媽媽其實\n這段時間以來一直以來帶小孩出來的時候都有壓力那我相信也包括在推您進車廂之前我相信許多的爸爸媽媽他也不希望自己的小朋友去找到別人他在搭之前他可能會思考一下我要不要搭其他工具這是長期以來社會給這些爸爸媽媽的一些壓力那一部分可能是社會上面給予的集體的氛圍一部分是我今天要跟董事長講的就是一個環境的營造\n那我知道我們高鐵有發聲明因為有人建議說我們高鐵是不是要設立親子車廂那我們高鐵目前是傾向於暫時還沒有規劃那當初的理由是可能是搭乘率的一些問題那我可能可以想到如果說設了親子車廂那小朋友去其他車廂的時候會不會也一樣同樣受到不禮貌的一些對待說你為什麼不去搭親子車廂或者是我在親子車廂不代表我就能夠吵吵鬧鬧嘛有一些人在一般的車廂買不到票\n那他只能去搭親子車廂的時候那我可能會認為說就算是親子車廂但你也不應該要吵到這種程度我可以理解我們在設置的時候我們也怕避免寧靜車廂的一些問題重蹈覆轍但是我認為可以在一些\n環境上面不是那麼制式的規定上面去著手比如說我們高鐵我們可以他就是有一列車廂我們不要去說他是親子車廂我們不要說我們鼓勵小朋友優先來搭這台列車但是我們可以在\n他的那一節車廂去做一些環境的營造比如說他本身車廂裡面就有一些比較可愛的一些環境貼圖的營造或者是說每一個小朋友在搭這個車廂的時候我們都可以準備一個小東西比如說我們在商務車廂的時候每個乘客都會你們都會有水或者是餅乾本來就有這樣的一個配置\n那我們在可能在特定的車廂的時候這個車廂他本來可能看到小朋友我們就會準備一個小禮物給他我們不用說他是親子車廂每個人都可以來搭我們在這個車廂我們每個人都必須要保持我們的一個搭乘列車公共環境運輸的一個禮儀的文化\n但是我們可以感受到我們這個車廂他對於小朋友是相對友善的我不曉得這樣子的一個想法他不是那麼的硬性那不曉得我們的高鐵公司可不可以朝這樣子的方向就是從環境的氛圍讓我們的爸爸媽媽在他搭高鐵的時候\n他所受到的一個心理壓力是相對起來是比較舒適的 輕鬆的好 謝謝委員 我想請委員剛剛點出一個很重要的事情高鐵已經開通18年 過去18年來應該大家對高鐵的服務並沒有感覺有不友善親子所以這一次你進車廂恐怕應該就是委員所講的他其實背後承載的是整個大環境大家的一些\n期待啦或者是一些抱怨那只是在寧靜車廂這件事情上大家這個找了一個出口而已是所以不完全是高鐵的做法上有什麼改變這個謝謝委員的肯定第二個就是說委員剛剛提到就是說在不設置親子車廂的狀況底下我們其他的手法可以強化我們對親子友善的這個態度對親子友善譬如說剛剛高鐵董事長你在報告的時候說小朋友吵鬧您可能可以給個貼紙嘛這個可能是沒有劇分車廂嘛這是我們可能過去做的啦\n我想这个部分我们也愿意强化来研议我想只要能够不影响高铁本身核心的目的就是高速而且快速便捷的公共运输的目的我想我们其实各项的手法我们都愿意来精进就是我们其实是很愿意帮忙也愿意帮忙来安抚用各式各样的手段只是说如果有一些方法会造成其他的冲突那我们也误会我们也会避免\n我知道重點是怎麼樣子把我們高鐵的一個我不要說他是因為寧靜車廂所產生的一個問題而是長期以來因為高鐵本來就是給一般民眾他是比較其實一個人到了一個可能比較高鐵的搭乘的費用是比較高的嘛到費用比較高的時候大家本來就會有心理的一個對這個\n環境的一個期待那同時對這個期待同時的時候也會連帶的對其搭乘的人他會產生一點心理壓力尤其是帶小朋友的人那我們怎麼在規劃上面能夠藉著我不是說批評我們寧靜車廂而是藉由這一次社會對高鐵帶小朋友文化的高度討論下那我們高鐵是不是能夠做一些比過去更好的一些措施讓我們的爸爸媽媽帶小朋友能夠更舒適更放心\n謝謝謝謝委員我想我們會來推動離境車廂跟親子友善並存親子友善那你們目前除了剛剛講的送送小貼紙之外有沒有一些討論中的政策是覺得讓大家覺得我們高鐵在對於親子友善這方面好像真的有在重視我們會繼續研議也歡迎委員幫我們來所以目前還沒有一些正式的方案出來\n還沒有 謝謝就除了送貼紙沒關係啦我沒有說不好啦因為畢竟小朋友每個小朋友個性不一樣嘛對不對我知道那可能需要一個百寶箱或許有一些家長不喜歡你對他的小孩做太多的事情我了解啦但是希望說我們連送貼紙也有一些家長會拒絕會認為說這好像有一點\n就是就每個家長教育小孩的方式不一樣好不好那我希望說從環境的營造方面讓我們的小朋友在搭的時候能夠家長在搭的時候能夠更輕鬆我們來努力好謝謝好那接下來我請我們那個武次長還有我們楊局長\n市長好市長那今天請教的就是我們的金融捷運啦已經這個去年2月1號就1月31啦1月31好像就核定了嘛那目前基本設計還沒有核定嘛對不對那目前我們的進度那跟我們的紛爭跟未來的規劃大概是什麼樣啦\n基本設計的部分現在是這樣子新北市政府當然就是工程會要審的啦但是他送上來經過交通部嘛對啊 我沒有看但是他跟當時政府規劃的部分差太多那這部分他們要把整體的環境的達成品質提升嘛\n對 但是這個就會跟原來的規劃的不一樣對 核定的內容不一樣所以這部分我們是認為這個應該要再想看看應該怎麼樣才讓跟原來的計劃要能夠核定的要能夠相符這部分我們是跟他請他再做一個考量這樣\n那如果說因為牽扯到了就是修正計畫可能會花太多的時間嘛對不對那個其實這個行政程序我不想講太多啦但是基隆捷運這個案子當初是我們鐵道局規劃我們交通部鐵道局規劃的那規劃後續那就請地方政府去執行結果現在地方政府在執行的時候就變成說我們在嚴格的審查他\n我們是站在一個協助的角度讓怎麼樣讓這個案子能夠更快速的去做推動我跟委員報告我們沒有嚴格審查他這個審查其實要等大家都知道那我們還是會繼續站在協助立場當然我瞭解好像是九月他現在又再報上來我們再來看一下檢視跟當時的中規的內容核定的部分行政合併的內容是不是一致\n當然是有不一致所以你們才會但是如果我說如果這些不一致是不是我們不能送出去的關鍵原因如果變化太大的話就變得不一樣他們是想要可能當初我們鐵道局的規劃他們認為說可以提高更好的一個規格讓旅客有更好的搭乘品質這是好的對不對是不是好的這個很難講\n給更好的大正面積不一定是更好的對 剛剛講的好不好是有點我希望次長你能夠了解到基隆捷運這個捷運跟其他地方政府自己原本提出的捷運它是有本質上的不一樣這一個基隆捷運是當初蔡英文總統極力推動的那由我們交通部鐵路局去主導的一個案件那不是地方政府提上來的案件那在這個\n過去這個基隆案基隆捷運在討論過程中很謝謝我們鐵道局的一個協助那現在地方政府在規劃了那只是希望說我們的交通部在後續的審查能夠盡速協助地方政府有一些東西能夠我們知道這個方向是好的我們就盡速把它提送到我們的工程會去做經費的審議如果說有一些後續要再修的我們再來輔導我們的地方政府盡速修總不能一個案子\n中規過了那卡在這邊卡了這麼久我想這個不是過去不論是我們蔡英文總統或者是地方民眾對這條基隆捷運的一個期待在行政流程上面我們能夠協助的就拜託我們交通部盡速的來協助是好謝謝委員我們今天來協助謝謝謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.583 --> 00:04.879\n好謝謝召委麻煩我們請我們高鐵董事長施董事長請\n\n00:13.075 --> 00:35.514\n委員好董事長好就這幾天反正大家包括前幾天包括今天在立法院大家都在討論寧靜車廂這個話題那當然經過高鐵的充分說明我們可以了解到我們高鐵的目的就是希望每一位乘客都能夠自己去不管是自己去提升所謂的搭車文化的一個理由我想這是最終的一個目的那只是說在過程中在執行的過程中\n\n00:36.274 --> 00:50.089\n或許在表達方面或者是執行上面有一些初期的一些問題要去檢討那這部分我也認為這是一個好的方向只是說要去怎麼去做得更好而已那再次說為什麼這一次的議題會造成這麼大的一個風波為什麼親子的議題\n\n00:52.791 --> 01:18.274\n會被渲染成大家都好像感同身受是因為長期以來爸爸媽媽在帶小孩子出門的時候因為小孩子不受控嘛所以長期以來包括社會對於小朋友的容忍力造成了爸爸媽媽帶他們到各個場合的時候都會有一個無形的社會氛圍的一個壓力那這股壓力在這個高鐵的寧靜車廂的事件爆發了出來我想\n\n01:18.874 --> 01:33.649\n不要講高鐵好了比如說我們今天去搭飛機其實每個爸爸媽媽帶小孩子去搭飛機的時候心裡都是壓力很大的我們不知道小孩子在飛機上面他會不會不受控制那我相信這樣子大家都能夠感受到說爸爸媽媽其實\n\n01:34.890 --> 02:00.200\n這段時間以來一直以來帶小孩出來的時候都有壓力那我相信也包括在推您進車廂之前我相信許多的爸爸媽媽他也不希望自己的小朋友去找到別人他在搭之前他可能會思考一下我要不要搭其他工具這是長期以來社會給這些爸爸媽媽的一些壓力那一部分可能是社會上面給予的集體的氛圍一部分是我今天要跟董事長講的就是一個環境的營造\n\n02:00.740 --> 02:28.098\n那我知道我們高鐵有發聲明因為有人建議說我們高鐵是不是要設立親子車廂那我們高鐵目前是傾向於暫時還沒有規劃那當初的理由是可能是搭乘率的一些問題那我可能可以想到如果說設了親子車廂那小朋友去其他車廂的時候會不會也一樣同樣受到不禮貌的一些對待說你為什麼不去搭親子車廂或者是我在親子車廂不代表我就能夠吵吵鬧鬧嘛有一些人在一般的車廂買不到票\n\n02:29.099 --> 02:43.249\n那他只能去搭親子車廂的時候那我可能會認為說就算是親子車廂但你也不應該要吵到這種程度我可以理解我們在設置的時候我們也怕避免寧靜車廂的一些問題重蹈覆轍但是我認為可以在一些\n\n02:44.410 --> 03:00.116\n環境上面不是那麼制式的規定上面去著手比如說我們高鐵我們可以他就是有一列車廂我們不要去說他是親子車廂我們不要說我們鼓勵小朋友優先來搭這台列車但是我們可以在\n\n03:01.516 --> 03:14.146\n他的那一節車廂去做一些環境的營造比如說他本身車廂裡面就有一些比較可愛的一些環境貼圖的營造或者是說每一個小朋友在搭這個車廂的時候我們都可以準備一個小東西比如說我們在商務車廂的時候每個乘客都會你們都會有水或者是餅乾本來就有這樣的一個配置\n\n03:22.512 --> 03:27.997\n那我們在可能在特定的車廂的時候這個車廂他本來可能看到小朋友我們就會準備一個小禮物給他我們不用說他是親子車廂每個人都可以來搭我們在這個車廂我們每個人都必須要保持我們的一個搭乘列車公共環境運輸的一個禮儀的文化\n\n03:39.326 --> 03:55.599\n但是我們可以感受到我們這個車廂他對於小朋友是相對友善的我不曉得這樣子的一個想法他不是那麼的硬性那不曉得我們的高鐵公司可不可以朝這樣子的方向就是從環境的氛圍讓我們的爸爸媽媽在他搭高鐵的時候\n\n03:56.920 --> 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06:40.660\n還沒有謝謝就除了送貼紙沒關係啦我沒有說不好啦因為畢竟小朋友每個小朋友個性不一樣嘛對不對我知道那可能需要一個百寶箱或許有一些家長不喜歡你對他的小孩做太多的事情我了解啦但是希望說我們連送貼紙也有一些家長會拒絕會認為說這好像有一點\n\n06:43.803 --> 06:56.662\n就是就每個家長教育小孩的方式不一樣好不好那我希望說從環境的營造方面讓我們的小朋友在搭的時候能夠家長在搭的時候能夠更輕鬆我們來努力好謝謝好那接下來我請我們那個武次長還有我們楊局長\n\n07:08.394 --> 07:24.084\n市長好市長那今天請教的就是我們的金融捷運啦已經這個去年2月1號就1月31啦1月31好像就核定了嘛那目前基本設計還沒有核定嘛對不對那目前我們的進度那跟我們的紛爭跟未來的規劃大概是什麼樣啦\n\n07:26.108 --> 07:43.068\n基本設計的部分現在是這樣子新北市政府當然就是工程會要審的啦但是他送上來經過交通部嘛對啊我沒有看但是他跟當時政府規劃的部分差太多那這部分他們要把整體的環境的達成品質提升嘛\n\n07:43.857 --> 08:00.407\n對但是這個就會跟原來的規劃的不一樣對核定的內容不一樣所以這部分我們是認為這個應該要再想看看應該怎麼樣才讓跟原來的計劃要能夠核定的要能夠相符這部分我們是跟他請他再做一個考量這樣\n\n08:01.167 --> 08:24.416\n那如果說因為牽扯到了就是修正計畫可能會花太多的時間嘛對不對那個其實這個行政程序我不想講太多啦但是基隆捷運這個案子當初是我們鐵道局規劃我們交通部鐵道局規劃的那規劃後續那就請地方政府去執行結果現在地方政府在執行的時候就變成說我們在嚴格的審查他\n\n08:25.296 --> 08:49.747\n我們是站在一個協助的角度讓怎麼樣讓這個案子能夠更快速的去做推動我跟委員報告我們沒有嚴格審查他這個審查其實要等大家都知道那我們還是會繼續站在協助立場當然我瞭解好像是九月他現在又再報上來我們再來看一下檢視跟當時的中規的內容核定的部分行政合併的內容是不是一致\n\n08:50.587 --> 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董事長好就這幾天反正大家包括前幾天包括今天在立法院大家都在討論寧靜車廂這個話題那當然經過高鐵的充分說明我們可以了解到我們高鐵的目的就是希望每一位乘客都能夠自己去不管是自己去提升所謂的搭車文化的一個理由我想這是最終的一個目的那只是說在過程中在執行的過程中"},{"start":36.274,"end":50.089,"text":"或許在表達方面或者是執行上面有一些初期的一些問題要去檢討那這部分我也認為這是一個好的方向只是說要去怎麼去做得更好而已那再次說為什麼這一次的議題會造成這麼大的一個風波為什麼親子的議題"},{"start":52.791,"end":78.274,"text":"會被渲染成大家都好像感同身受是因為長期以來爸爸媽媽在帶小孩子出門的時候因為小孩子不受控嘛所以長期以來包括社會對於小朋友的容忍力造成了爸爸媽媽帶他們到各個場合的時候都會有一個無形的社會氛圍的一個壓力那這股壓力在這個高鐵的寧靜車廂的事件爆發了出來我想"},{"start":78.874,"end":93.649,"text":"不要講高鐵好了比如說我們今天去搭飛機其實每個爸爸媽媽帶小孩子去搭飛機的時候心裡都是壓力很大的我們不知道小孩子在飛機上面他會不會不受控制那我相信這樣子大家都能夠感受到說爸爸媽媽其實"},{"start":94.89,"end":120.2,"text":"這段時間以來一直以來帶小孩出來的時候都有壓力那我相信也包括在推您進車廂之前我相信許多的爸爸媽媽他也不希望自己的小朋友去找到別人他在搭之前他可能會思考一下我要不要搭其他工具這是長期以來社會給這些爸爸媽媽的一些壓力那一部分可能是社會上面給予的集體的氛圍一部分是我今天要跟董事長講的就是一個環境的營造"},{"start":120.74,"end":148.098,"text":"那我知道我們高鐵有發聲明因為有人建議說我們高鐵是不是要設立親子車廂那我們高鐵目前是傾向於暫時還沒有規劃那當初的理由是可能是搭乘率的一些問題那我可能可以想到如果說設了親子車廂那小朋友去其他車廂的時候會不會也一樣同樣受到不禮貌的一些對待說你為什麼不去搭親子車廂或者是我在親子車廂不代表我就能夠吵吵鬧鬧嘛有一些人在一般的車廂買不到票"},{"start":149.099,"end":163.249,"text":"那他只能去搭親子車廂的時候那我可能會認為說就算是親子車廂但你也不應該要吵到這種程度我可以理解我們在設置的時候我們也怕避免寧靜車廂的一些問題重蹈覆轍但是我認為可以在一些"},{"start":164.41,"end":180.116,"text":"環境上面不是那麼制式的規定上面去著手比如說我們高鐵我們可以他就是有一列車廂我們不要去說他是親子車廂我們不要說我們鼓勵小朋友優先來搭這台列車但是我們可以在"},{"start":181.516,"end":194.146,"text":"他的那一節車廂去做一些環境的營造比如說他本身車廂裡面就有一些比較可愛的一些環境貼圖的營造或者是說每一個小朋友在搭這個車廂的時候我們都可以準備一個小東西比如說我們在商務車廂的時候每個乘客都會你們都會有水或者是餅乾本來就有這樣的一個配置"},{"start":202.512,"end":207.997,"text":"那我們在可能在特定的車廂的時候這個車廂他本來可能看到小朋友我們就會準備一個小禮物給他我們不用說他是親子車廂每個人都可以來搭我們在這個車廂我們每個人都必須要保持我們的一個搭乘列車公共環境運輸的一個禮儀的文化"},{"start":219.326,"end":235.599,"text":"但是我們可以感受到我們這個車廂他對於小朋友是相對友善的我不曉得這樣子的一個想法他不是那麼的硬性那不曉得我們的高鐵公司可不可以朝這樣子的方向就是從環境的氛圍讓我們的爸爸媽媽在他搭高鐵的時候"},{"start":236.92,"end":258.272,"text":"他所受到的一個心理壓力是相對起來是比較舒適的 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過去18年來應該大家對高鐵的服務並沒有感覺有不友善親子所以這一次你進車廂恐怕應該就是委員所講的他其實背後承載的是整個大環境大家的一些"},{"start":259.473,"end":288.395,"text":"期待啦或者是一些抱怨那只是在寧靜車廂這件事情上大家這個找了一個出口而已是所以不完全是高鐵的做法上有什麼改變這個謝謝委員的肯定第二個就是說委員剛剛提到就是說在不設置親子車廂的狀況底下我們其他的手法可以強化我們對親子友善的這個態度對親子友善譬如說剛剛高鐵董事長你在報告的時候說小朋友吵鬧您可能可以給個貼紙嘛這個可能是沒有劇分車廂嘛這是我們可能過去做的啦"},{"start":289.215,"end":317.889,"text":"我想这个部分我们也愿意强化来研议我想只要能够不影响高铁本身核心的目的就是高速而且快速便捷的公共运输的目的我想我们其实各项的手法我们都愿意来精进就是我们其实是很愿意帮忙也愿意帮忙来安抚用各式各样的手段只是说如果有一些方法会造成其他的冲突那我们也误会我们也会避免"},{"start":318.109,"end":336.82,"text":"我知道重點是怎麼樣子把我們高鐵的一個我不要說他是因為寧靜車廂所產生的一個問題而是長期以來因為高鐵本來就是給一般民眾他是比較其實一個人到了一個可能比較高鐵的搭乘的費用是比較高的嘛到費用比較高的時候大家本來就會有心理的一個對這個"},{"start":338.941,"end":364.334,"text":"環境的一個期待那同時對這個期待同時的時候也會連帶的對其搭乘的人他會產生一點心理壓力尤其是帶小朋友的人那我們怎麼在規劃上面能夠藉著我不是說批評我們寧靜車廂而是藉由這一次社會對高鐵帶小朋友文化的高度討論下那我們高鐵是不是能夠做一些比過去更好的一些措施讓我們的爸爸媽媽帶小朋友能夠更舒適更放心"},{"start":365.675,"end":383.969,"text":"謝謝謝謝委員我想我們會來推動離境車廂跟親子友善並存親子友善那你們目前除了剛剛講的送送小貼紙之外有沒有一些討論中的政策是覺得讓大家覺得我們高鐵在對於親子友善這方面好像真的有在重視我們會繼續研議也歡迎委員幫我們來所以目前還沒有一些正式的方案出來"},{"start":384.509,"end":400.66,"text":"還沒有 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