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00:02:01,897\n然後要有同仁在那邊執勤巡邏但是因為我知道他們的人力不足所以這部分是不是應該要搭配我們的台鐵的人員還有保安的保全的部分能夠強化這個巡邏的密度這部分有沒有做相關的一個規劃\n\n7\n00:02:02,997 --> 00:02:24,733\n我先跟委員報告剛剛講幾個像台北車站其實它本身就有一個分駐所站裡面那這部分另外幾個點當然沒有辦法每一個站都可以這樣做那這部分我們大概跟它所謂跟地區的警察局會有一些聯防就是如果有什麼任何問題即使那個地方沒有鐵路警察局的人駐點\n\n8\n00:02:25,894 --> 00:02:44,790\n可以跟地方的警察局馬上聯絡那剛剛提到的我們的車站的部分台鐵的部分員工保全的部分也會配合整個來做一個聯防我想這個提高這個巡邏的密度跟進警率真的才會比較有合適的作用不然大家在那裡走來走去都沒人要注意\n\n9\n00:02:45,851 --> 00:03:09,523\n尤其有一些車班比較晚到的有些女性會怕怕怎麼樣去強化這樣的一個措施我想這個我們應該要趕快盡快研議那因為我們現在發現這個台北火車站應該也有很多這個遊民也都在那邊躺在那裡或是一些聚集那這部分台鐵有沒有什麼樣的一個想法跟措施怎麼處理報告委員\n\n10\n00:03:14,025 --> 00:03:42,752\n包委員我們在這一次事件發生了我們也跟鐵警有做一個密切討論那基本上遊民的部分其實是這個市政府的社會局有在做列管那我們在以往也有統一的規範遊民在太陽出來前他們就要到離開我們車站周邊那太陽下山以後才可以在周邊但是戰區內部也不能夠做駐留\n\n11\n00:03:43,112 --> 00:04:11,025\n那這一次事件也凸顯了這個管理的部分我們還要再做更嚴謹的處理所以在入境我們現在目前從今天開始全面也加強柔性勸導的一個方式我想我們不是要汙名化我們街友但是因為確實這樣的狀況也會造成很多往來的一些我們鄉親在搭乘這個車輛的時候也會造成一個壓力所以未來怎麼樣跟台北市政府要好好的去溝通這個部分我想台鐵應該要儘快處理\n\n12\n00:04:12,446 --> 00:04:16,211\n好包委員我們會來積極來辦理好謝謝那總經理請問我們請高鐵市董事長\n\n13\n00:04:26,509 --> 00:04:53,652\n我想今天這個你也是這個熱門人物大家針對這個寧靜車廂部分也一直在做一樣的一直做一個詢問那我想我們還是藉這個機會要讓你提到說其實你當時提出這樣的一個用意是針對所謂的3C這個談話的部分應該是做這樣的一個宣導那只是可能在宣導上面大家把焦點都放在親子因為包含我自己的臉書也有很多的這個家長也在留言關心這個議題\n\n14\n00:04:54,833 --> 00:05:20,749\n甚至談到親子車廂這部分那董事長這個部分怎麼樣去做後續的一個處理跟改善我想這個過程也是一個我們整體社會教育的過程您背後這張這個圖面的這個照片上面的寧靜車廂這個牌子的下方事實上在這個電視上沒有顯示出來就是寫了三句話第一句話就是講手機自選官3C用耳機\n\n15\n00:05:21,730 --> 00:05:46,011\n交談降低營量這裡面沒有提到有關於孩童也沒有提到其他的事情但是大家就會把這樣子的一個小牌子我想可能做了很多的聯想我想這個部分我們雖然一開始就已經說明說兒童跟無自主能力的都不在其範圍之內但是我想這一次透過大家我剛剛也講了可能大家長期也承擔了\n\n16\n00:05:47,032 --> 00:06:05,725\n整個社會對於對於社會更好的育兒或者社會的資源更大的期待在這一次大家有一些誤解所以我想我們現在也會持續來進行友善親子的宣導同時原本所謂寧靜車廂或車廂寧靜文化當中有關於3C耳機跟講手機我們也會持續進行\n\n17\n00:06:11,949 --> 00:06:22,428\n我想這個部分如果能夠慢慢能夠達成大家像做捷運就是不會喝水跟吃東西一樣那成為我們國家文明的一個指標我想這都是一個大家樂見的事情\n\n18\n00:06:23,410 --> 00:06:43,672\n董事長那既然這個名稱有兩極化的一個討論有沒有考慮要換一個名稱我想我們不會特別去換名稱但是我們也不會特別強制說要哪一個名稱大家如果覺得寧靜車廂不適合大家要用車廂寧靜或車廂寧靜文化我們也都歡迎因為我們在我們制式的這個\n\n19\n00:06:44,873 --> 00:06:58,071\n運送契約當中的規範是很明確的寫的就是三期用耳機跟講手機至玄關至於說如何形容這樣子的我們尊重各方的看法\n\n20\n00:06:58,806 --> 00:07:22,785\n其實就是一樣我們不管是名稱是什麼應該重點是在於大家到這個搭乘這個環境的時候怎麼樣去尊重其他人的一個權益問題我想這個是需要我們時間很多特別謝謝委員因為其實像中南部的委員都是高鐵的重度使用者那為了配合寧靜車廂以及這新的措施事實上委員搭乘的時候也都不能進行選民服務\n\n21\n00:07:25,587 --> 00:07:52,165\n所以其實大家是共同全體國人大家一起支持我們這個文化跟這個禮貌文明的一個心理成倍啦謝謝好謝謝那我們再請一下衛福部我們的莊市長好謝謝我想另外一個比較有爭議的一個政策就是討論也比較熱烈的是在於說這個博愛座跟優先座的問題啦那個市長這部分我們目前的進度做到哪裡因為我看還有很多的車廂名稱都沒有改掉對\n\n22\n00:07:59,284 --> 00:08:22,069\n的一個商量對但是我看有些牌子已經換了有些還沒有換那有什麼特別的考量嗎對應該是說他目前這個就是寧靜車廂的部分他們已經拿掉了但是目前只有在那個在車座前面有放那個沒有說部外座跟優先席這個名稱的問題\n\n23\n00:08:23,869 --> 00:08:42,730\n對現在已經改成有些人寫了對但是還是有些有些車現在還是寫播放我們會再請這個捷運這邊再再加速進行我想既然是有做這樣的政策調整應該是要全面性啦是是避免造成一些這個乘客之間的一些爭爭端嗎是是應該現在會進行啦好好謝謝好謝謝好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n880\t29052\t謝主席有請我們政府五次長還有台鐵馮總經理五次長馮總經理請五次長抱歉委員好市長總經理午安好我想這個台北車站9號發生的這個一名通緝犯這個偽窗人皆有那當眾侵犯了一位我們的一個女性然後\n29794\t56565\t施暴然後受到一個很嚴重的侵害而且時間長達10分鐘 直到有一個外國外籍的旅客見狀報案之後才制止這樣的一個行為我想這個台北車站身為一個國際的門面發生這樣的一個事情我想這個交通部跟台鐵責無旁貸為了怎麼樣強化我們的維安城籍的部分我想這個次長跟總經理 針對目前這樣的狀況我們有沒有什麼一個強化的措施\n57205\t74155\t是 我跟委員報告我想這個事情發生之後我們大概協調貼警局 本來他大概一個小時巡視大概兩次我們後來協調他改為三次另外他跟那個台北車站部分我們也建議所謂的聯防的機制\n75455\t91160\t包括我們的員工還有我們的保全跟他聯合起來一起交叉了一個巡邏我想讓這個整個的尤其針對幾個治安的熱點像廁所部分比較角落部分我們去做一個形式我想這部分我們要來努力\n91997\t106688\t市長您剛有提到這個鐵路警察局的部分嗎是那因為過去我我自己在屏東包含我們的屏東車站跟潮州車站也有很多的鄉親在反映他們擔心治安的問題所以都要求我們這個鐵路警察局要設點\n107729\t121897\t然後要有同仁在那邊執勤巡邏但是因為我知道他們的人力不足所以這部分是不是應該要搭配我們的台鐵的人員還有保安的保全的部分能夠強化這個巡邏的密度這部分有沒有做相關的一個規劃\n122997\t144733\t我先跟委員報告 剛剛講幾個像台北車站其實它本身就有一個分駐所站裡面那這部分另外幾個點當然沒有辦法每一個站都可以這樣做那這部分我們大概跟它所謂跟地區的警察局會有一些聯防就是如果有什麼任何問題即使那個地方沒有鐵路警察局的人駐點\n145894\t164790\t可以跟地方的警察局馬上聯絡那剛剛提到的我們的車站的部分 台鐵的部分員工保全的部分也會配合整個來做一個聯防我想這個提高這個巡邏的密度跟進警率真的才會比較有合適的作用不然大家在那裡走來走去都沒人要注意\n165851\t189523\t尤其有一些車班比較晚到的有些女性會怕怕怎麼樣去強化這樣的一個措施我想這個我們應該要趕快盡快研議那因為我們現在發現這個台北火車站應該也有很多這個遊民也都在那邊躺在那裡或是一些聚集那這部分台鐵有沒有什麼樣的一個想法跟措施怎麼處理報告委員\n194025\t222752\t包委員我們在這一次事件發生了我們也跟鐵警有做一個密切討論那基本上遊民的部分其實是這個市政府的社會局有在做列管那我們在以往也有統一的規範遊民在太陽出來前他們就要到離開我們車站周邊那太陽下山以後才可以在周邊但是戰區內部也不能夠做駐留\n223112\t251025\t那這一次事件也凸顯了這個管理的部分我們還要再做更嚴謹的處理所以在入境我們現在目前從今天開始全面也加強柔性勸導的一個方式我想我們不是要汙名化我們街友但是因為確實這樣的狀況也會造成很多往來的一些我們鄉親在搭乘這個車輛的時候也會造成一個壓力所以未來怎麼樣跟台北市政府要好好的去溝通這個部分我想台鐵應該要儘快處理\n252446\t256211\t好 包委員我們會來 積極來辦理好 謝謝 那總經理請問我們請高鐵市董事長\n266509\t293652\t我想今天這個你也是這個熱門人物大家針對這個寧靜車廂部分也一直在做一樣的一直做一個詢問那我想我們還是藉這個機會要讓你提到說其實你當時提出這樣的一個用意是針對所謂的3C這個談話的部分應該是做這樣的一個宣導那只是可能在宣導上面大家把焦點都放在親子因為包含我自己的臉書也有很多的這個家長也在留言關心這個議題\n294833\t320749\t甚至談到親子車廂這部分那董事長這個部分怎麼樣去做後續的一個處理跟改善我想這個過程也是一個我們整體社會教育的過程您背後這張這個圖面的這個照片上面的寧靜車廂這個牌子的下方事實上在這個電視上沒有顯示出來就是寫了三句話第一句話就是講手機自選官3C用耳機\n321730\t346011\t交談降低營量這裡面沒有提到有關於孩童也沒有提到其他的事情但是大家就會把這樣子的一個小牌子我想可能做了很多的聯想我想這個部分我們雖然一開始就已經說明說兒童跟無自主能力的都不在其範圍之內但是我想這一次透過大家我剛剛也講了可能大家長期也承擔了\n347032\t365725\t整個社會對於對於社會更好的育兒或者社會的資源更大的期待在這一次大家有一些誤解所以我想我們現在也會持續來進行友善親子的宣導同時原本所謂寧靜車廂或車廂寧靜文化當中有關於3C耳機跟講手機我們也會持續進行\n371949\t382428\t我想這個部分如果能夠慢慢能夠達成大家像做捷運就是不會喝水跟吃東西一樣那成為我們國家文明的一個指標我想這都是一個大家樂見的事情\n383410\t403672\t董事長那既然這個名稱有兩極化的一個討論有沒有考慮要換一個名稱我想我們不會特別去換名稱但是我們也不會特別強制說要哪一個名稱大家如果覺得寧靜車廂不適合大家要用車廂寧靜或車廂寧靜文化我們也都歡迎因為我們在我們制式的這個\n404873\t418071\t運送契約當中的規範是很明確的寫的就是三期用耳機跟講手機至玄關至於說如何形容這樣子的我們尊重各方的看法\n418806\t442785\t其實就是一樣我們不管是名稱是什麼應該重點是在於大家到這個搭乘這個環境的時候怎麼樣去尊重其他人的一個權益問題我想這個是需要我們時間很多特別謝謝委員因為其實像中南部的委員都是高鐵的重度使用者那為了配合寧靜車廂以及這新的措施事實上委員搭乘的時候也都不能進行選民服務\n445587\t472165\t所以其實大家是共同全體國人大家一起支持我們這個文化跟這個禮貌文明的一個心理成倍啦謝謝好謝謝那我們再請一下衛福部我們的莊市長好謝謝我想另外一個比較有爭議的一個政策就是討論也比較熱烈的是在於說這個博愛座跟優先座的問題啦那個市長這部分我們目前的進度做到哪裡因為我看還有很多的車廂名稱都沒有改掉對\n479284\t502069\t的一個商量 對但是我看有些牌子已經換了有些還沒有換那有什麼特別的考量嗎對 應該是說他目前這個就是寧靜車廂的部分他們已經拿掉了但是目前只有在那個在車座前面有放那個沒有說部外座跟優先席這個名稱的問題\n503869\t522730\t對現在已經改成有些人寫了對但是還是有些有些車現在還是寫播放我們會再請這個捷運這邊再再加速進行我想既然是有做這樣的政策調整應該是要全面性啦是是避免造成一些這個乘客之間的一些爭爭端嗎是是應該現在會進行啦好好謝謝好謝謝好謝謝\n","txt":"謝主席有請我們政府五次長還有台鐵馮總經理五次長馮總經理請五次長抱歉委員好市長總經理午安好我想這個台北車站9號發生的這個一名通緝犯這個偽窗人皆有那當眾侵犯了一位我們的一個女性然後\n施暴然後受到一個很嚴重的侵害而且時間長達10分鐘 直到有一個外國外籍的旅客見狀報案之後才制止這樣的一個行為我想這個台北車站身為一個國際的門面發生這樣的一個事情我想這個交通部跟台鐵責無旁貸為了怎麼樣強化我們的維安城籍的部分我想這個次長跟總經理 針對目前這樣的狀況我們有沒有什麼一個強化的措施\n是 我跟委員報告我想這個事情發生之後我們大概協調貼警局 本來他大概一個小時巡視大概兩次我們後來協調他改為三次另外他跟那個台北車站部分我們也建議所謂的聯防的機制\n包括我們的員工還有我們的保全跟他聯合起來一起交叉了一個巡邏我想讓這個整個的尤其針對幾個治安的熱點像廁所部分比較角落部分我們去做一個形式我想這部分我們要來努力\n市長您剛有提到這個鐵路警察局的部分嗎是那因為過去我我自己在屏東包含我們的屏東車站跟潮州車站也有很多的鄉親在反映他們擔心治安的問題所以都要求我們這個鐵路警察局要設點\n然後要有同仁在那邊執勤巡邏但是因為我知道他們的人力不足所以這部分是不是應該要搭配我們的台鐵的人員還有保安的保全的部分能夠強化這個巡邏的密度這部分有沒有做相關的一個規劃\n我先跟委員報告 剛剛講幾個像台北車站其實它本身就有一個分駐所站裡面那這部分另外幾個點當然沒有辦法每一個站都可以這樣做那這部分我們大概跟它所謂跟地區的警察局會有一些聯防就是如果有什麼任何問題即使那個地方沒有鐵路警察局的人駐點\n可以跟地方的警察局馬上聯絡那剛剛提到的我們的車站的部分 台鐵的部分員工保全的部分也會配合整個來做一個聯防我想這個提高這個巡邏的密度跟進警率真的才會比較有合適的作用不然大家在那裡走來走去都沒人要注意\n尤其有一些車班比較晚到的有些女性會怕怕怎麼樣去強化這樣的一個措施我想這個我們應該要趕快盡快研議那因為我們現在發現這個台北火車站應該也有很多這個遊民也都在那邊躺在那裡或是一些聚集那這部分台鐵有沒有什麼樣的一個想法跟措施怎麼處理報告委員\n包委員我們在這一次事件發生了我們也跟鐵警有做一個密切討論那基本上遊民的部分其實是這個市政府的社會局有在做列管那我們在以往也有統一的規範遊民在太陽出來前他們就要到離開我們車站周邊那太陽下山以後才可以在周邊但是戰區內部也不能夠做駐留\n那這一次事件也凸顯了這個管理的部分我們還要再做更嚴謹的處理所以在入境我們現在目前從今天開始全面也加強柔性勸導的一個方式我想我們不是要汙名化我們街友但是因為確實這樣的狀況也會造成很多往來的一些我們鄉親在搭乘這個車輛的時候也會造成一個壓力所以未來怎麼樣跟台北市政府要好好的去溝通這個部分我想台鐵應該要儘快處理\n好 包委員我們會來 積極來辦理好 謝謝 那總經理請問我們請高鐵市董事長\n我想今天這個你也是這個熱門人物大家針對這個寧靜車廂部分也一直在做一樣的一直做一個詢問那我想我們還是藉這個機會要讓你提到說其實你當時提出這樣的一個用意是針對所謂的3C這個談話的部分應該是做這樣的一個宣導那只是可能在宣導上面大家把焦點都放在親子因為包含我自己的臉書也有很多的這個家長也在留言關心這個議題\n甚至談到親子車廂這部分那董事長這個部分怎麼樣去做後續的一個處理跟改善我想這個過程也是一個我們整體社會教育的過程您背後這張這個圖面的這個照片上面的寧靜車廂這個牌子的下方事實上在這個電視上沒有顯示出來就是寫了三句話第一句話就是講手機自選官3C用耳機\n交談降低營量這裡面沒有提到有關於孩童也沒有提到其他的事情但是大家就會把這樣子的一個小牌子我想可能做了很多的聯想我想這個部分我們雖然一開始就已經說明說兒童跟無自主能力的都不在其範圍之內但是我想這一次透過大家我剛剛也講了可能大家長期也承擔了\n整個社會對於對於社會更好的育兒或者社會的資源更大的期待在這一次大家有一些誤解所以我想我們現在也會持續來進行友善親子的宣導同時原本所謂寧靜車廂或車廂寧靜文化當中有關於3C耳機跟講手機我們也會持續進行\n我想這個部分如果能夠慢慢能夠達成大家像做捷運就是不會喝水跟吃東西一樣那成為我們國家文明的一個指標我想這都是一個大家樂見的事情\n董事長那既然這個名稱有兩極化的一個討論有沒有考慮要換一個名稱我想我們不會特別去換名稱但是我們也不會特別強制說要哪一個名稱大家如果覺得寧靜車廂不適合大家要用車廂寧靜或車廂寧靜文化我們也都歡迎因為我們在我們制式的這個\n運送契約當中的規範是很明確的寫的就是三期用耳機跟講手機至玄關至於說如何形容這樣子的我們尊重各方的看法\n其實就是一樣我們不管是名稱是什麼應該重點是在於大家到這個搭乘這個環境的時候怎麼樣去尊重其他人的一個權益問題我想這個是需要我們時間很多特別謝謝委員因為其實像中南部的委員都是高鐵的重度使用者那為了配合寧靜車廂以及這新的措施事實上委員搭乘的時候也都不能進行選民服務\n所以其實大家是共同全體國人大家一起支持我們這個文化跟這個禮貌文明的一個心理成倍啦謝謝好謝謝那我們再請一下衛福部我們的莊市長好謝謝我想另外一個比較有爭議的一個政策就是討論也比較熱烈的是在於說這個博愛座跟優先座的問題啦那個市長這部分我們目前的進度做到哪裡因為我看還有很多的車廂名稱都沒有改掉對\n的一個商量 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