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00:02:23,969\n親子車廂你就是讓有帶小朋友的家長他可以優先指定購買這個車廂裡面他們就會比較是在這個車廂第一個他比較沒有壓力在親子車廂裡面孩子講話是很自然的事情而且這個高鐵說他們會去提供一些友善的措施如果你現在高鐵的各項措施都沒有辦法做到位你的資源集中到這些親子友善車廂可以做得更好\n\n7\n00:02:24,429 --> 00:02:47,383\n之前我也看到高鐵你有卡拉喝你有很多讓孩子看起來會非常開心的很有善心子的你可以先做這個裝置你不見得要改你的這個座位然後另外一個就是你說你要發禮物你要發乖乖要發貼紙我不相信你所有的列車你可以去關注到每一個帶小孩的家長但是當你把家長\n\n8\n00:02:48,624 --> 00:03:03,830\n放到這個親子車廂的時候你的資源就集中你的人員的訓練也可以來到這個親子車廂服務的這一些戰務人員他可以更就是體貼同理然後可以服務的更好事實上這個是在現行的爭議當中我個人認為啦\n\n9\n00:03:05,951 --> 00:03:29,158\n是一個解套的模式你也解除了家長的壓力你也可以去照顧到有一些乘客他的確他需要一個比較安靜的環境民進文化本身沒有太大的錯誤但你實施的方法你去忽略掉有小孩的家長這就是一個很大的錯誤你不能造成他的壓力啊那所以最好的解決辦法就是你可以設置親子車廂\n\n10\n00:03:30,618 --> 00:03:46,600\n讓家長帶著孩子就在這個非常友善的空間裡面他完全也沒有壓力這一個我覺得是一個解方那未來高鐵這個我聽到施董事長說未來有新的車廂你可以更進一步你初步的這個先用是親子友善\n\n11\n00:03:47,401 --> 00:04:09,899\n之後的就是真正親子車廂你可以更有創意你可以引領是亞洲我們可以超越日本啦你不要說日本做不到我們台灣做不到我們台灣其實我們很多都可以超越日本的在你新的車廂裡面你如果可以打造比照台鐵我覺得現在台鐵要給予肯定喔台鐵在營運虧損的情況底下對兒童是這麼友善親子這麼友善\n\n12\n00:04:10,279 --> 00:04:26,673\n他還你看他打造的這麼的好那我相信高鐵你現在還是有獲利的情況底下未來就是新購入的車廂你可以打造一個示範型的你可以讓亞洲日本韓國的遊客來到台灣感受到說\n\n13\n00:04:27,333 --> 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