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00:02:51,976\n您这次也是由您代团是的好那这几年2023、2024都是由部长代团大概有哪些具体的收获还有哪些具体落实在政策上面呢跟委员报告那每一年APEC它的主题都不会一样那今年很重要就是财政政策的部分那财政政策大家都知道因为美国对等关税的影响希望永续成长的财政政策对还有永续金融的\n\n9\n00:02:52,276 --> 00:03:07,803\n那永續金融的部分我們同時也會請金管會的副主委一起去好那另外呢但是財政合作最重要的是租稅協定這一次我們有要跟哪些國家簽訂新的租稅協定或以前沒簽成的這次有機會簽成嗎\n\n10\n00:03:09,203 --> 00:03:33,523\n在APEC里面不会去谈租税协定这样的一个事情不会去谈但是我们要去洽签我们会在这种场合里面去这也是你们说的你们在各种场合会努力的去跟各个国家去签所谓的租税协定就是说我们开启相关的洽谈或者要修协定那这次有机会吗这次我们都会利用各种场合不管是场边的都来合作\n\n11\n00:03:33,983 --> 00:03:58,192\n因為最近聯合報有轉譯了一個日經亞洲的報導說台灣近年有積極向澳洲日本紐西蘭東南亞國家多國來洽簽貿易協定但是面臨美國總統川普主導的變動的國際秩序還有中國大陸日益擴大的影響力所以台灣遭到幾乎所有的國家\n\n12\n00:03:59,352 --> 00:04:14,533\n冷遇也就是冷冷的對待知情的人士點名加拿大先前已經跟台北談妥貿易協議但是拖到現在半年沒有任何推進所以是不是有這樣的狀況部長我們有沒有被冷遇\n\n13\n00:04:15,770 --> 00:04:31,239\n这个贸易协定的签订不在财政部那我们其实已经有跟35个国家已经签了租税协定那目前跟美国也一直在持续的进行当中然后加拿大的部分是有早就有租税协定了\n\n14\n00:04:32,300 --> 00:04:59,177\n他是特別希望能夠在這次我希望部長出門還是要有成果回來接下去的我們雖然外交很辛苦但是每一次都應該有每一次的成果我們樂見我們對外應該要有充分的主張但是我們希望交更多的朋友我們在各種場合用各種場合去交流我想還是這個是非常重要謝謝委員的期許\n\n15\n00:04:59,577 --> 00:05:17,956\n那接下來我想問一下新清安貸款新清安貸款在央行開了這個放款天條拿掉以後不再受銀行法的限制那目前為止有增加多少的貸款額度大概一千多億嗎新清安的\n\n16\n00:05:19,256 --> 00:05:31,905\n現在的部分因為原來是因為有排隊因為受額度的限制現在還在排隊嗎現在排隊的部分已經分別減少50%到50%金額跟件數都減少50%跟60%所以大概還有多少人在排隊50%60%那表示還有40%到50%的人在排隊我們待會是不是把件數金額跟委員做報告那另外排等的時間就是說已經核准了但是要等撥款的時間大概現在縮短在兩個月以內這樣子\n\n17\n00:05:49,676 --> 00:06:10,801\n排隊要一個月撥款要兩個月這個可能還是需要更加把勁啊好的第二個部分是從民間團體他們所統計出來的資料這也是我們比較憂心的目前為止經過民團的調查財政部的資料裡面超過50歲的生代的人\n\n18\n00:06:11,981 --> 00:06:37,172\n達到六千七百六十五戶年收入超過三百萬元的人有六千七百三十七戶也有高達三萬四千一百零四戶他的所得比超過十五倍的現象也就是高所得的族群現在也享受到所謂的低利的補貼部長這個調查的結果跟你們實際上的狀況相同嗎\n\n19\n00:06:41,638 --> 00:07:05,712\n就是我們現在拿新清安貸款拿低利補貼的人其實有超過50歲以上的有達到6000多戶超過年收入300萬的人也有6000多戶這是什麼狀況這是我們高所得然後也繼續取得新清安的補貼的現象已經達到一定的比例以上這是我們原來政策上面所希望的嗎\n\n20\n00:07:06,565 --> 00:07:26,225\n跟委员报告新兴安这个部分虽然我们没有做年龄的限制但是50岁以下的占了95%占了95%我刚刚讲的是超过50岁的生贷者跟年收入超过300万的都有6000多户这些是不是我们接下去应该做一些检讨了\n\n21\n00:07:26,505 --> 00:07:49,710\n他的條件基本上是屬於沒有房屋沒有置有房屋的我明白都明白但是我的意思是說可能已經讓高所得的人也分擔也就是得到這樣的利息補貼了這個原因可能我們接下去政策上面實行的一段時間就要進行一定的檢討嘛\n\n22\n00:07:50,610 --> 00:08:01,868\n当然检讨我们可以来做我觉得这个也是一个问题如果明天团体发现怎么三百万年收入三百万以上的人也拿到新新安贷款这个的确是有点怪怪的\n\n23\n00:08:02,779 --> 00:08:29,027\n我们到时候委员的提醒我要说的是我们在政策上的政策目标跟我们想要达到的政策目标是不是相符还是说我们的政策因为忽略了这方面的所以造成了有可能高所得的人也得到这些所谓的利息补贴这才是我们担心的地方我们提示纳入我们到时候所以我也希望这个部分你们检讨一下这个会期年底前给我一个检讨报告好好吗好\n\n24\n00:08:30,993 --> 00:08:50,545\n最後還是一樣部長現在的問題是我們現在今年到現在預算執行尤其稅入的部分是不是顯然沒有達到我們原來去年去年預估的狀況目前為止稅入的部分有相關的短處到4000億嗎\n\n25\n00:08:53,613 --> 00:09:02,889\n稅客收入現在短促的部分是4000億那現在稅務執行到多少比例了到9月份是達到75%\n\n26\n00:09:04,878 --> 00:09:25,149\n对就是税客收入跟委员报告是税客收入的部分财政部的实征数实征数对没有错所以你今年能够达标吗今年达标是有当然预算书是有挑战性的有挑战性原因是什么关税第一个就是还是去年又宽估了太乐观了\n\n27\n00:09:25,834 --> 00:09:53,896\n不是太乐观跟委员报告我们114年的预算数税科收入预算数比113年的实征数增加947亿比实征数就增加所以我们事实上所以你们没有宽估但是现在可能达不到但是有一个不确定的因素就是证交税证交税到目前9月底为止是比去年的实征数减少223亿原因原因就是证交大家不买股票了交易量变少了\n\n28\n00:09:54,136 --> 00:10:19,686\n我們原來估的時候是4600億今年的預算已經暴增了那你的因為你的收入寬估所以認為還可以但是在明年以後我相信可能除了稅金剩餘用完可能還要再開始舉債而且賴總統兩年就把蔡英文總統八年剩下的錢花光了尤其是接下來還有\n\n29\n00:10:21,387 --> 00:10:48,407\n国防特别预算上兆部长你觉得你明年或接下来你的税入会完成任务还是说会接下去政府必须要做相关的举债了明年的税入有很大一个部分减少3000多亿主要是因为财化法要出去4165亿划归到中心所以你必须要举债了增加等于整个中央要释出一兆多的金额到地方政府\n\n30\n00:10:48,880 --> 00:11:06,329\n是啊但是中央就要把自己原來該做的事情減少啦所以整體來說是沒有減少的你三兆一千億的三兆一千億的預算其實是比歷年來都高很多我的意思是說預算還是要準確的預估第二個執行面可能還是要盡責啦\n\n31\n00:11:07,550 --> 00:11:26,872\n是謝謝我預算部分當然要準確的預估希望預算在財化法修正通過之後接下去你們要提的相關版本也能夠把這個部分一併納入考慮是的對中央的施政需要的部分都一定要考慮謝謝主席謝謝黃委員接下來我們請蔡易瑜委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3120\t16475\t委員好部長我想大家都還是非常關心財政部有關財政收支劃分法院長在10月14號的時候說要提出院版中午要提出院版你看過院版了嗎\n18742\t36593\t這個部分跟委員報告 我們都持續在開會還在開會 所以還沒有版然後下個禮拜二我們還會再請縣市政府來再召開一次會議因為從去年到現在我們一直都在問有沒有願版 有沒有願版到今天 還是沒有願版還是會提 但是還沒出來\n38188\t63894\t我觉得这个部分还是要做最充分的讨论能够集约最大的共识就白话闻讲有没有愿板有还是没有我们要不要等你们的愿板还是因为现在立法院有陈选生委员郭国荣委员跟赖瑞龙委员他们有提新的会期的才华法版本你看过没有我知道我们会提出愿板你们会提出愿板会在这个会期提出来吗这个年底前\n64727\t73634\t年底前這個會期如果你們不提出來委員會就只有這三個版本這三個版本跟行政院的版本意見是一樣的嗎這個部分我們做過檢視我們會做全盤的調整你們會提出來所以現在委員會還有一個等待審查的是台灣民眾黨的版本因為上一次沒有送出委員會其實在委員會其實還有民眾黨的版本也請你們納入參考\n93209\t105758\t因為當時我們就說我們希望提供給行政部門彈性但是沒有得到大家的支持所以我覺得接下去願版也應該把所有可能大家提出的版本再納入考慮好嗎好的 我們會來看的所以重點還是\n110137\t133599\t把事情做對做好但是才化法今天已經到這個程度了必須要進一步的面對啦不要再假裝沒看見因為它已經是事實而且預算也在編那不管怎麼樣接下去的後續的做法行政院必須要負責任的來面對現在的民意機關不管你喜歡或不喜歡對吧\n134849\t142146\t好 第二个部分是部长这个下个礼拜就要去参加亚太APEC的经济合作会议了吧\n144544\t171976\t您这次也是由您代团是的好那这几年2023、2024都是由部长代团大概有哪些具体的收获还有哪些具体落实在政策上面呢跟委员报告那每一年APEC它的主题都不会一样那今年很重要就是财政政策的部分那财政政策大家都知道因为美国对等关税的影响希望永续成长的财政政策对还有永续金融的\n172276\t187803\t那永續金融的部分我們同時也會請金管會的副主委一起去好那另外呢但是財政合作最重要的是租稅協定這一次我們有要跟哪些國家簽訂新的租稅協定或以前沒簽成的這次有機會簽成嗎\n189203\t213523\t在APEC里面不会去谈租税协定这样的一个事情不会去谈但是我们要去洽签我们会在这种场合里面去这也是你们说的你们在各种场合会努力的去跟各个国家去签所谓的租税协定就是说我们开启相关的洽谈或者要修协定那这次有机会吗这次我们都会利用各种场合不管是场边的都来合作\n213983\t238192\t因為最近聯合報有轉譯了一個日經亞洲的報導說台灣近年有積極向澳洲日本紐西蘭東南亞國家多國來洽簽貿易協定但是面臨美國總統川普主導的變動的國際秩序還有中國大陸日益擴大的影響力所以台灣遭到幾乎所有的國家\n239352\t254533\t冷遇也就是冷冷的對待知情的人士點名加拿大先前已經跟台北談妥貿易協議但是拖到現在半年沒有任何推進所以是不是有這樣的狀況部長我們有沒有被冷遇\n255770\t271239\t这个贸易协定的签订不在财政部那我们其实已经有跟35个国家已经签了租税协定那目前跟美国也一直在持续的进行当中然后加拿大的部分是有早就有租税协定了\n272300\t299177\t他是特別希望能夠在這次我希望部長出門還是要有成果回來接下去的我們雖然外交很辛苦但是每一次都應該有每一次的成果我們樂見我們對外應該要有充分的主張但是我們希望交更多的朋友我們在各種場合用各種場合去交流我想還是這個是非常重要謝謝委員的期許\n299577\t317956\t那接下來我想問一下新清安貸款新清安貸款在央行開了這個放款天條拿掉以後不再受銀行法的限制那目前為止有增加多少的貸款額度大概一千多億嗎新清安的\n319256\t331905\t現在的部分因為原來是因為有排隊因為受額度的限制現在還在排隊嗎現在排隊的部分已經分別減少50%到50%金額跟件數都減少50%跟60%所以大概還有多少人在排隊50% 60%那表示還有40%到50%的人在排隊我們待會是不是把件數金額跟委員做報告那另外排等的時間就是說已經核准了但是要等撥款的時間大概現在縮短在兩個月以內這樣子\n349676\t370801\t排隊要一個月 撥款要兩個月這個可能還是需要更加把勁啊好的第二個部分是從民間團體他們所統計出來的資料這也是我們比較憂心的目前為止經過民團的調查財政部的資料裡面超過50歲的 生代的人\n371981\t397172\t達到六千七百六十五戶年收入超過三百萬元的人有六千七百三十七戶也有高達三萬四千一百零四戶他的所得比超過十五倍的現象也就是高所得的族群現在也享受到所謂的低利的補貼部長 這個調查的結果跟你們實際上的狀況相同嗎\n401638\t425712\t就是我們現在拿新清安貸款拿低利補貼的人其實有超過50歲以上的有達到6000多戶超過年收入300萬的人也有6000多戶這是什麼狀況這是我們高所得然後也繼續取得新清安的補貼的現象已經達到一定的比例以上這是我們原來政策上面所希望的嗎\n426565\t446225\t跟委员报告新兴安这个部分虽然我们没有做年龄的限制但是50岁以下的占了95%占了95%我刚刚讲的是超过50岁的生贷者跟年收入超过300万的都有6000多户这些是不是我们接下去应该做一些检讨了\n446505\t469710\t他的條件基本上是屬於沒有房屋沒有置有房屋的我明白都明白但是我的意思是說可能已經讓高所得的人也分擔也就是得到這樣的利息補貼了這個原因可能我們接下去政策上面實行的一段時間就要進行一定的檢討嘛\n470610\t481868\t当然检讨我们可以来做我觉得这个也是一个问题如果明天团体发现怎么三百万年收入三百万以上的人也拿到新新安贷款这个的确是有点怪怪的\n482779\t509027\t我们到时候委员的提醒我要说的是我们在政策上的政策目标跟我们想要达到的政策目标是不是相符还是说我们的政策因为忽略了这方面的所以造成了有可能高所得的人也得到这些所谓的利息补贴这才是我们担心的地方我们提示纳入我们到时候所以我也希望这个部分你们检讨一下这个会期年底前给我一个检讨报告好好吗好\n510993\t530545\t最後還是一樣部長現在的問題是我們現在今年到現在預算執行尤其稅入的部分是不是顯然沒有達到我們原來去年去年預估的狀況目前為止稅入的部分有相關的短處到4000億嗎\n533613\t542889\t稅客收入現在短促的部分是4000億那現在稅務執行到多少比例了到9月份是達到75%\n544878\t565149\t对就是税客收入跟委员报告是税客收入的部分财政部的实征数实征数对没有错所以你今年能够达标吗今年达标是有当然预算书是有挑战性的有挑战性原因是什么关税第一个就是还是去年又宽估了太乐观了\n565834\t593896\t不是太乐观跟委员报告我们114年的预算数税科收入预算数比113年的实征数增加947亿比实征数就增加所以我们事实上所以你们没有宽估但是现在可能达不到但是有一个不确定的因素就是证交税证交税到目前9月底为止是比去年的实征数减少223亿原因原因就是证交大家不买股票了交易量变少了\n594136\t619686\t我們原來估的時候是4600億今年的預算已經暴增了那你的因為你的收入寬估所以認為還可以但是在明年以後我相信可能除了稅金剩餘用完可能還要再開始舉債而且賴總統兩年就把蔡英文總統八年剩下的錢花光了尤其是接下來還有\n621387\t648407\t国防特别预算上兆部长你觉得你明年或接下来你的税入会完成任务还是说会接下去政府必须要做相关的举债了明年的税入有很大一个部分减少3000多亿主要是因为财化法要出去4165亿划归到中心所以你必须要举债了增加等于整个中央要释出一兆多的金额到地方政府\n648880\t666329\t是啊但是中央就要把自己原來該做的事情減少啦所以整體來說是沒有減少的你三兆一千億的三兆一千億的預算其實是比歷年來都高很多我的意思是說預算還是要準確的預估第二個執行面可能還是要盡責啦\n667550\t686872\t是謝謝我預算部分當然要準確的預估希望預算在財化法修正通過之後接下去你們要提的相關版本也能夠把這個部分一併納入考慮是的對中央的施政需要的部分都一定要考慮謝謝主席謝謝黃委員接下來我們請蔡易瑜委員\n698695\t699138\t呃\n","txt":"委員好部長我想大家都還是非常關心財政部有關財政收支劃分法院長在10月14號的時候說要提出院版中午要提出院版你看過院版了嗎\n這個部分跟委員報告 我們都持續在開會還在開會 所以還沒有版然後下個禮拜二我們還會再請縣市政府來再召開一次會議因為從去年到現在我們一直都在問有沒有願版 有沒有願版到今天 還是沒有願版還是會提 但是還沒出來\n我觉得这个部分还是要做最充分的讨论能够集约最大的共识就白话闻讲有没有愿板有还是没有我们要不要等你们的愿板还是因为现在立法院有陈选生委员郭国荣委员跟赖瑞龙委员他们有提新的会期的才华法版本你看过没有我知道我们会提出愿板你们会提出愿板会在这个会期提出来吗这个年底前\n年底前這個會期如果你們不提出來委員會就只有這三個版本這三個版本跟行政院的版本意見是一樣的嗎這個部分我們做過檢視我們會做全盤的調整你們會提出來所以現在委員會還有一個等待審查的是台灣民眾黨的版本因為上一次沒有送出委員會其實在委員會其實還有民眾黨的版本也請你們納入參考\n因為當時我們就說我們希望提供給行政部門彈性但是沒有得到大家的支持所以我覺得接下去願版也應該把所有可能大家提出的版本再納入考慮好嗎好的 我們會來看的所以重點還是\n把事情做對做好但是才化法今天已經到這個程度了必須要進一步的面對啦不要再假裝沒看見因為它已經是事實而且預算也在編那不管怎麼樣接下去的後續的做法行政院必須要負責任的來面對現在的民意機關不管你喜歡或不喜歡對吧\n好 第二个部分是部长这个下个礼拜就要去参加亚太APEC的经济合作会议了吧\n您这次也是由您代团是的好那这几年2023、2024都是由部长代团大概有哪些具体的收获还有哪些具体落实在政策上面呢跟委员报告那每一年APEC它的主题都不会一样那今年很重要就是财政政策的部分那财政政策大家都知道因为美国对等关税的影响希望永续成长的财政政策对还有永续金融的\n那永續金融的部分我們同時也會請金管會的副主委一起去好那另外呢但是財政合作最重要的是租稅協定這一次我們有要跟哪些國家簽訂新的租稅協定或以前沒簽成的這次有機會簽成嗎\n在APEC里面不会去谈租税协定这样的一个事情不会去谈但是我们要去洽签我们会在这种场合里面去这也是你们说的你们在各种场合会努力的去跟各个国家去签所谓的租税协定就是说我们开启相关的洽谈或者要修协定那这次有机会吗这次我们都会利用各种场合不管是场边的都来合作\n因為最近聯合報有轉譯了一個日經亞洲的報導說台灣近年有積極向澳洲日本紐西蘭東南亞國家多國來洽簽貿易協定但是面臨美國總統川普主導的變動的國際秩序還有中國大陸日益擴大的影響力所以台灣遭到幾乎所有的國家\n冷遇也就是冷冷的對待知情的人士點名加拿大先前已經跟台北談妥貿易協議但是拖到現在半年沒有任何推進所以是不是有這樣的狀況部長我們有沒有被冷遇\n这个贸易协定的签订不在财政部那我们其实已经有跟35个国家已经签了租税协定那目前跟美国也一直在持续的进行当中然后加拿大的部分是有早就有租税协定了\n他是特別希望能夠在這次我希望部長出門還是要有成果回來接下去的我們雖然外交很辛苦但是每一次都應該有每一次的成果我們樂見我們對外應該要有充分的主張但是我們希望交更多的朋友我們在各種場合用各種場合去交流我想還是這個是非常重要謝謝委員的期許\n那接下來我想問一下新清安貸款新清安貸款在央行開了這個放款天條拿掉以後不再受銀行法的限制那目前為止有增加多少的貸款額度大概一千多億嗎新清安的\n現在的部分因為原來是因為有排隊因為受額度的限制現在還在排隊嗎現在排隊的部分已經分別減少50%到50%金額跟件數都減少50%跟60%所以大概還有多少人在排隊50% 60%那表示還有40%到50%的人在排隊我們待會是不是把件數金額跟委員做報告那另外排等的時間就是說已經核准了但是要等撥款的時間大概現在縮短在兩個月以內這樣子\n排隊要一個月 撥款要兩個月這個可能還是需要更加把勁啊好的第二個部分是從民間團體他們所統計出來的資料這也是我們比較憂心的目前為止經過民團的調查財政部的資料裡面超過50歲的 生代的人\n達到六千七百六十五戶年收入超過三百萬元的人有六千七百三十七戶也有高達三萬四千一百零四戶他的所得比超過十五倍的現象也就是高所得的族群現在也享受到所謂的低利的補貼部長 這個調查的結果跟你們實際上的狀況相同嗎\n就是我們現在拿新清安貸款拿低利補貼的人其實有超過50歲以上的有達到6000多戶超過年收入300萬的人也有6000多戶這是什麼狀況這是我們高所得然後也繼續取得新清安的補貼的現象已經達到一定的比例以上這是我們原來政策上面所希望的嗎\n跟委员报告新兴安这个部分虽然我们没有做年龄的限制但是50岁以下的占了95%占了95%我刚刚讲的是超过50岁的生贷者跟年收入超过300万的都有6000多户这些是不是我们接下去应该做一些检讨了\n他的條件基本上是屬於沒有房屋沒有置有房屋的我明白都明白但是我的意思是說可能已經讓高所得的人也分擔也就是得到這樣的利息補貼了這個原因可能我們接下去政策上面實行的一段時間就要進行一定的檢討嘛\n当然检讨我们可以来做我觉得这个也是一个问题如果明天团体发现怎么三百万年收入三百万以上的人也拿到新新安贷款这个的确是有点怪怪的\n我们到时候委员的提醒我要说的是我们在政策上的政策目标跟我们想要达到的政策目标是不是相符还是说我们的政策因为忽略了这方面的所以造成了有可能高所得的人也得到这些所谓的利息补贴这才是我们担心的地方我们提示纳入我们到时候所以我也希望这个部分你们检讨一下这个会期年底前给我一个检讨报告好好吗好\n最後還是一樣部長現在的問題是我們現在今年到現在預算執行尤其稅入的部分是不是顯然沒有達到我們原來去年去年預估的狀況目前為止稅入的部分有相關的短處到4000億嗎\n稅客收入現在短促的部分是4000億那現在稅務執行到多少比例了到9月份是達到75%\n对就是税客收入跟委员报告是税客收入的部分财政部的实征数实征数对没有错所以你今年能够达标吗今年达标是有当然预算书是有挑战性的有挑战性原因是什么关税第一个就是还是去年又宽估了太乐观了\n不是太乐观跟委员报告我们114年的预算数税科收入预算数比113年的实征数增加947亿比实征数就增加所以我们事实上所以你们没有宽估但是现在可能达不到但是有一个不确定的因素就是证交税证交税到目前9月底为止是比去年的实征数减少223亿原因原因就是证交大家不买股票了交易量变少了\n我們原來估的時候是4600億今年的預算已經暴增了那你的因為你的收入寬估所以認為還可以但是在明年以後我相信可能除了稅金剩餘用完可能還要再開始舉債而且賴總統兩年就把蔡英文總統八年剩下的錢花光了尤其是接下來還有\n国防特别预算上兆部长你觉得你明年或接下来你的税入会完成任务还是说会接下去政府必须要做相关的举债了明年的税入有很大一个部分减少3000多亿主要是因为财化法要出去4165亿划归到中心所以你必须要举债了增加等于整个中央要释出一兆多的金额到地方政府\n是啊但是中央就要把自己原來該做的事情減少啦所以整體來說是沒有減少的你三兆一千億的三兆一千億的預算其實是比歷年來都高很多我的意思是說預算還是要準確的預估第二個執行面可能還是要盡責啦\n是謝謝我預算部分當然要準確的預估希望預算在財化法修正通過之後接下去你們要提的相關版本也能夠把這個部分一併納入考慮是的對中央的施政需要的部分都一定要考慮謝謝主席謝謝黃委員接下來我們請蔡易瑜委員\n呃\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.120 --> 00:16.475\n委員好部長我想大家都還是非常關心財政部有關財政收支劃分法院長在10月14號的時候說要提出院版中午要提出院版你看過院版了嗎\n\n00:18.742 --> 00:36.593\n這個部分跟委員報告我們都持續在開會還在開會所以還沒有版然後下個禮拜二我們還會再請縣市政府來再召開一次會議因為從去年到現在我們一直都在問有沒有願版有沒有願版到今天還是沒有願版還是會提但是還沒出來\n\n00:38.188 --> 01:03.894\n我觉得这个部分还是要做最充分的讨论能够集约最大的共识就白话闻讲有没有愿板有还是没有我们要不要等你们的愿板还是因为现在立法院有陈选生委员郭国荣委员跟赖瑞龙委员他们有提新的会期的才华法版本你看过没有我知道我们会提出愿板你们会提出愿板会在这个会期提出来吗这个年底前\n\n01:04.727 --> 01:13.634\n年底前這個會期如果你們不提出來委員會就只有這三個版本這三個版本跟行政院的版本意見是一樣的嗎這個部分我們做過檢視我們會做全盤的調整你們會提出來所以現在委員會還有一個等待審查的是台灣民眾黨的版本因為上一次沒有送出委員會其實在委員會其實還有民眾黨的版本也請你們納入參考\n\n01:33.209 --> 01:45.758\n因為當時我們就說我們希望提供給行政部門彈性但是沒有得到大家的支持所以我覺得接下去願版也應該把所有可能大家提出的版本再納入考慮好嗎好的我們會來看的所以重點還是\n\n01:50.137 --> 02:13.599\n把事情做對做好但是才化法今天已經到這個程度了必須要進一步的面對啦不要再假裝沒看見因為它已經是事實而且預算也在編那不管怎麼樣接下去的後續的做法行政院必須要負責任的來面對現在的民意機關不管你喜歡或不喜歡對吧\n\n02:14.849 --> 02:22.146\n好第二个部分是部长这个下个礼拜就要去参加亚太APEC的经济合作会议了吧\n\n02:24.544 --> 02:51.976\n您这次也是由您代团是的好那这几年2023、2024都是由部长代团大概有哪些具体的收获还有哪些具体落实在政策上面呢跟委员报告那每一年APEC它的主题都不会一样那今年很重要就是财政政策的部分那财政政策大家都知道因为美国对等关税的影响希望永续成长的财政政策对还有永续金融的\n\n02:52.276 --> 03:07.803\n那永續金融的部分我們同時也會請金管會的副主委一起去好那另外呢但是財政合作最重要的是租稅協定這一次我們有要跟哪些國家簽訂新的租稅協定或以前沒簽成的這次有機會簽成嗎\n\n03:09.203 --> 03:33.523\n在APEC里面不会去谈租税协定这样的一个事情不会去谈但是我们要去洽签我们会在这种场合里面去这也是你们说的你们在各种场合会努力的去跟各个国家去签所谓的租税协定就是说我们开启相关的洽谈或者要修协定那这次有机会吗这次我们都会利用各种场合不管是场边的都来合作\n\n03:33.983 --> 03:58.192\n因為最近聯合報有轉譯了一個日經亞洲的報導說台灣近年有積極向澳洲日本紐西蘭東南亞國家多國來洽簽貿易協定但是面臨美國總統川普主導的變動的國際秩序還有中國大陸日益擴大的影響力所以台灣遭到幾乎所有的國家\n\n03:59.352 --> 04:14.533\n冷遇也就是冷冷的對待知情的人士點名加拿大先前已經跟台北談妥貿易協議但是拖到現在半年沒有任何推進所以是不是有這樣的狀況部長我們有沒有被冷遇\n\n04:15.770 --> 04:31.239\n这个贸易协定的签订不在财政部那我们其实已经有跟35个国家已经签了租税协定那目前跟美国也一直在持续的进行当中然后加拿大的部分是有早就有租税协定了\n\n04:32.300 --> 04:59.177\n他是特別希望能夠在這次我希望部長出門還是要有成果回來接下去的我們雖然外交很辛苦但是每一次都應該有每一次的成果我們樂見我們對外應該要有充分的主張但是我們希望交更多的朋友我們在各種場合用各種場合去交流我想還是這個是非常重要謝謝委員的期許\n\n04:59.577 --> 05:17.956\n那接下來我想問一下新清安貸款新清安貸款在央行開了這個放款天條拿掉以後不再受銀行法的限制那目前為止有增加多少的貸款額度大概一千多億嗎新清安的\n\n05:19.256 --> 05:31.905\n現在的部分因為原來是因為有排隊因為受額度的限制現在還在排隊嗎現在排隊的部分已經分別減少50%到50%金額跟件數都減少50%跟60%所以大概還有多少人在排隊50%60%那表示還有40%到50%的人在排隊我們待會是不是把件數金額跟委員做報告那另外排等的時間就是說已經核准了但是要等撥款的時間大概現在縮短在兩個月以內這樣子\n\n05:49.676 --> 06:10.801\n排隊要一個月撥款要兩個月這個可能還是需要更加把勁啊好的第二個部分是從民間團體他們所統計出來的資料這也是我們比較憂心的目前為止經過民團的調查財政部的資料裡面超過50歲的生代的人\n\n06:11.981 --> 06:37.172\n達到六千七百六十五戶年收入超過三百萬元的人有六千七百三十七戶也有高達三萬四千一百零四戶他的所得比超過十五倍的現象也就是高所得的族群現在也享受到所謂的低利的補貼部長這個調查的結果跟你們實際上的狀況相同嗎\n\n06:41.638 --> 07:05.712\n就是我們現在拿新清安貸款拿低利補貼的人其實有超過50歲以上的有達到6000多戶超過年收入300萬的人也有6000多戶這是什麼狀況這是我們高所得然後也繼續取得新清安的補貼的現象已經達到一定的比例以上這是我們原來政策上面所希望的嗎\n\n07:06.565 --> 07:26.225\n跟委员报告新兴安这个部分虽然我们没有做年龄的限制但是50岁以下的占了95%占了95%我刚刚讲的是超过50岁的生贷者跟年收入超过300万的都有6000多户这些是不是我们接下去应该做一些检讨了\n\n07:26.505 --> 07:49.710\n他的條件基本上是屬於沒有房屋沒有置有房屋的我明白都明白但是我的意思是說可能已經讓高所得的人也分擔也就是得到這樣的利息補貼了這個原因可能我們接下去政策上面實行的一段時間就要進行一定的檢討嘛\n\n07:50.610 --> 08:01.868\n当然检讨我们可以来做我觉得这个也是一个问题如果明天团体发现怎么三百万年收入三百万以上的人也拿到新新安贷款这个的确是有点怪怪的\n\n08:02.779 --> 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