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00:01:41,623\n全區部雖然雖然表示年底前完成了審定也邀請了內政部您來做研討但是到目前為止預算呢還沒有落地那這個會重挫到整個基層士氣跟民防的這個戰力所以本期要請教面對的行政院到目前為止沒有編列預算那內政部您提出了怎麼樣的因應方案呢請做說明\n\n5\n00:01:42,904 --> 00:02:05,864\n謝謝楊委員的關心我已經講述非常多次了就是警察人員條例裡面涉及退休警察的人員的部分要跟權序部一起來辦理後續的相關事宜院長也多次在立法院的總質詢裡面提到就是送到大法官的解釋之後如果認為這個釋憲上面是有一定程度的處理\n\n6\n00:02:06,144 --> 00:02:20,426\n不管要追溯或者是維持現在的狀態我們完全是尊重也就是說行政院的立場是遵守憲法那憲法下面所規範的部分的話行政機關都一定會遵守如果照部長你也擔任過地方首長\n\n7\n00:02:21,528 --> 00:02:43,665\n如果照你這麼說我給你一個論定就是這個政府是違法的因為您剛才所說的要送大法官去釋憲的結果在大法官釋憲還沒有這個執行之的時候行政部門必須依照立法院所通過的法案經過總統府\n\n8\n00:02:47,647 --> 00:03:06,187\n公佈之也就是說你必須依法行政你非但不依法行政你還找了一個不是理由的理由這個讓我們所有的警消人員情何以堪為什麼本席會提出這樣子因為你是主歧視者主管機關單位\n\n9\n00:03:07,248 --> 00:03:10,430\n所以本席還是希望主席室的單位除了內政部還有權序部當然你必須要省慎之省慎之努力的去思考你到底要怎麼樣去應對我想這也是你的責任本席告訴你因為一定要充分的來尊重我們所有的這些\n\n10\n00:03:26,461 --> 00:03:42,048\n警消人員這非常重要因為這是國家安全重要的元素接下來本席要請教在媒體10月15號報導海巡署的艦隊分屬第16海巡署的這些零星隊員三度的請假有心延長病假長達了10個月10個半月\n\n11\n00:03:52,592 --> 00:03:55,194\n那在這種情況之下呢他雖然請假他仍舊是公務人員他仍舊是公務人員的身份所以呢他在這個期間呢他在經營的就是什麼燒烤餐廳他也經營了3700人的團購群組那形同是什麼呢養病兼創業\n\n12\n00:04:13,550 --> 00:04:31,162\n那雖然本席強調雖然他請假請假你以病假就是讓你好好的休養你公務員的身份還是公務員員的身份所以呢具備公務員身份依照公務員服務法第14條的這個規定他是不得經營商業資是不是\n\n13\n00:04:33,578 --> 00:04:59,694\n委員好跟委員報告那原來這個同仁他的請假是拿到三金總醫院的一個醫生的證明這一個他的整個程序是依照醫主的這個方式來做處理也就是醫生的建議那這個部分我們後續有再查處然後我們知道他是有違反公人服務法部分那我們在昨天就召開考試會一次兩大過將他免職\n\n14\n00:05:02,085 --> 00:05:24,157\n就是因為你們昨天做出了這樣的決議也就是所以是違法在先才能夠做出昨天的這個議決那本席也希望就介於這樣的一個情況因為以前也似乎沒有這樣子的案例那本席也希望因為有碰到這樣子你們要好好的去\n\n15\n00:05:25,618 --> 00:05:45,377\n去精進你們的方案不要有樣學樣那就糟糕了所以我們也希望能夠讓我們這個後續查核的這個機制以及維護整個公務體系的公平性公正性以及公信力這是本席跟你討論的最重要的一個原則\n\n16\n00:05:46,584 --> 00:06:03,693\n好謝謝委員那這個部分我們這個主委有特別指示有後續的相關的進行措施我們都已經在處理了那未來這一個跟特別跟委員報告不會再發生類似的事情不會再發生這個事情你把你今天的方案也給本席謝謝那接下來本席要邀請海委會謝謝\n\n17\n00:06:10,376 --> 00:06:26,188\n委員好那本期要跟你討論的是潛水潛水源以及在海域的問題因為潛水目前在我們國內是非常的蓬勃發展但是它長期在保險無門權責不清人船衝突\n\n18\n00:06:30,090 --> 00:06:58,581\n這個灰色地帶那台中比如說台中市是庫城市庫運動我們全國也在9月9號成立的運動部所以運動對於我們國家來講很重要那潛水人員他們也希望因為目前業者雖然依照規定來這個責任顯然但是因為潛水它是被規列在什麼競賽活動它不是油氣的所以有很多的保險公司它都拒保\n\n19\n00:06:59,241 --> 00:07:15,531\n去把握那所以有這樣的一個背景之後本集跟你討論的也就是因為在海域的部分有人建議是不是在海域的部分就完全由你海委會來管但是這又牽扯到觀光署\n\n20\n00:07:16,511 --> 00:07:41,352\n又又牽扯到好幾個單位包括內政部等等現在目前不管陸上海域像風力發電他就給內政部的營建署來做申請那我們邏輯也覺得怪怪的你如果在海中間的你給營建署來申請當然這是業務的內容但是如果說是以你的這個地理的位置那好像是又覺得怪怪的\n\n21\n00:07:42,233 --> 00:08:07,833\n所以有人這麼建議就是產業成為多頭馬車下的制度的孤兒那這怎麼辦呢跟委員報告就是說海洋委員會最後沒有變成海洋部而是委員會最主要當初就是把它定位為它是協調整合的機關所以它很多的相關的業務的主管的業務都還在各目的事業主管機關各部會他們是業務的主責機關\n\n22\n00:08:09,815 --> 00:08:26,674\n但是作為協調整合機關跟我們報告就譬如說自由潛水我們非常關心所以保險的這一塊我們在初期就有出面來整合協調那陸續一路在走那活動的部分目前是\n\n23\n00:08:27,895 --> 00:08:52,804\n答應可以給他們保但是經常性的保險一直都沒有保所以本行不希望casebycase因為現在因為這些人又不是乞丐我每次碰到問題我都要拜託拜託我們希望能夠整合相關部會整合相關部會讓這些人有所依歸因為在我們現行法治當中我們的海域管理跟我們的運動安全跟人權分區都缺乏一個統籌的機制\n\n24\n00:08:54,444 --> 00:09:21,519\n所以才會多重馬車海域空間的規劃我們目前確實是有在擬定草案是海域空間我們大概這個時程會大概會會還有多久時間呢目前基本的架構大概有定案然後在陸續在處理草擬文字的過程當中條文目前在草擬但是基本的架構我們大概討論完成那從基本架構開始我們就會先做跨部會的協調\n\n25\n00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:48,969\n因為它涉及的部會的主管業務蠻多的所以我在這邊也請海委會因為這個大家非常重視所以我也希望這個繳成可以加快讓他們有所依歸而不是多頭馬車不知道到底要是要是哪個單位哪個部會我們希望草案的文字什麼時候可以出來至少草案的文字在今年年底以前我們希望文字可以完好加油謝謝然後再進入下個階段的協調謝謝\n\n26\n00:09:50,863 --> 00:09:51,044\n謝謝楊瓊英委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4604\t10067\t謝謝主席 陽勛發言 邀請內政部長請內政部 劉部長吳元豪 部長好部長 我們今天除了剛剛有提出了臨時議案也就是針對於警消的這個部分 人員不足\n28720\t45226\t那去研議怎麼樣能幫他家族那也表示了這個錦霄呢對於長期承攬的高風險的這個情務很重要大家都看到除了人力不足再來就是他們的工作性質是非常的高風險\n46486\t72896\t所以立法院在年初的時候就三讀通過警察人員人事條例的修正案明訂了警消海巡移民以及空勤總隊人員的退休所得替代率它的上限是提高至80%但行政院到目前為止就是以一個違憲疑慮為由所以沒有編列相關的預算造成法令跟實務它是有落差的\n73476\t101623\t全區部雖然 雖然表示年底前完成了審定也邀請了內政部您來做研討但是到目前為止預算呢還沒有落地那這個會重挫到整個基層士氣跟民防的這個戰力所以本期要請教面對的行政院到目前為止沒有編列預算那內政部您提出了怎麼樣的因應方案呢請做說明\n102904\t125864\t謝謝楊委員的關心我已經講述非常多次了就是警察人員條例裡面涉及退休警察的人員的部分要跟權序部一起來辦理後續的相關事宜院長也多次在立法院的總質詢裡面提到就是送到大法官的解釋之後如果認為這個釋憲上面是有一定程度的處理\n126144\t140426\t不管要追溯或者是維持現在的狀態我們完全是尊重也就是說行政院的立場是遵守憲法那憲法下面所規範的部分的話行政機關都一定會遵守如果照部長你也擔任過地方首長\n141528\t163665\t如果照你這麼說我給你一個論定就是這個政府是違法的因為您剛才所說的要送大法官去釋憲的結果在大法官釋憲還沒有這個執行之的時候行政部門必須依照立法院所通過的法案經過總統府\n167647\t186187\t公佈之也就是說你必須依法行政你非但不依法行政你還找了一個不是理由的理由這個讓我們所有的警消人員情何以堪為什麼本席會提出這樣子因為你是主歧視者主管機關單位\n187248\t190430\t所以本席還是希望主席室的單位除了內政部還有權序部當然你必須要省慎之省慎之努力的去思考你到底要怎麼樣去應對我想這也是你的責任本席告訴你因為一定要充分的來尊重我們所有的這些\n206461\t222048\t警消人員這非常重要因為這是國家安全重要的元素接下來本席要請教在媒體10月15號報導海巡署的艦隊分屬第16海巡署的這些零星隊員三度的請假有心延長病假長達了10個月10個半月\n232592\t235194\t那在這種情況之下呢他雖然請假他仍舊是公務人員他仍舊是公務人員的身份所以呢他在這個期間呢他在經營的就是什麼燒烤餐廳他也經營了3700人的團購群組那形同是什麼呢養病兼創業\n253550\t271162\t那雖然本席強調雖然他請假請假你以病假就是讓你好好的休養你公務員的身份還是公務員員的身份所以呢具備公務員身份依照公務員服務法第14條的這個規定他是不得經營商業資是不是\n273578\t299694\t委員好 跟委員報告那原來這個同仁他的請假是拿到三金總醫院的一個醫生的證明這一個他的整個程序是依照醫主的這個方式來做處理也就是醫生的建議那這個部分我們後續有再查處然後我們知道他是有違反公人服務法部分那我們在昨天就召開考試會一次兩大過將他免職\n302085\t324157\t就是因為你們昨天做出了這樣的決議也就是所以是違法在先才能夠做出昨天的這個議決那本席也希望就介於這樣的一個情況因為以前也似乎沒有這樣子的案例那本席也希望因為有碰到這樣子你們要好好的去\n325618\t345377\t去精進你們的方案不要有樣學樣那就糟糕了所以我們也希望能夠讓我們這個後續查核的這個機制以及維護整個公務體系的公平性公正性以及公信力這是本席跟你討論的最重要的一個原則\n346584\t363693\t好 謝謝委員那這個部分我們這個主委有特別指示有後續的相關的進行措施我們都已經在處理了那未來這一個跟特別跟委員報告不會再發生類似的事情不會再發生這個事情你把你今天的方案也給本席謝謝那接下來本席要邀請海委會謝謝\n370376\t386188\t委員好那本期要跟你討論的是潛水潛水源以及在海域的問題因為潛水目前在我們國內是非常的蓬勃發展但是它長期在保險無門權責不清人船衝突\n390090\t418581\t這個灰色地帶那台中比如說台中市是庫城市庫運動我們全國也在9月9號成立的運動部所以運動對於我們國家來講很重要那潛水人員他們也希望因為目前業者雖然依照規定來這個責任顯然但是因為潛水它是被規列在什麼競賽活動它不是油氣的所以有很多的保險公司它都拒保\n419241\t435531\t去把握那所以有這樣的一個背景之後本集跟你討論的也就是因為在海域的部分有人建議是不是在海域的部分就完全由你海委會來管但是這又牽扯到觀光署\n436511\t461352\t又又牽扯到好幾個單位包括內政部等等現在目前不管陸上海域像風力發電他就給內政部的營建署來做申請那我們邏輯也覺得怪怪的你如果在海中間的你給營建署來申請當然這是業務的內容但是如果說是以你的這個地理的位置那好像是又覺得怪怪的\n462233\t487833\t所以有人這麼建議就是產業成為多頭馬車下的制度的孤兒那這怎麼辦呢跟委員報告就是說海洋委員會最後沒有變成海洋部而是委員會最主要當初就是把它定位為它是協調整合的機關所以它很多的相關的業務的主管的業務都還在各目的事業主管機關各部會他們是業務的主責機關\n489815\t506674\t但是作為協調整合機關跟我們報告就譬如說自由潛水我們非常關心所以保險的這一塊我們在初期就有出面來整合協調那陸續一路在走那活動的部分目前是\n507895\t532804\t答應可以給他們保但是經常性的保險一直都沒有保所以本行不希望case by case因為現在因為這些人又不是乞丐我每次碰到問題我都要拜託拜託我們希望能夠整合相關部會整合相關部會讓這些人有所依歸因為在我們現行法治當中我們的海域管理跟我們的運動安全跟人權分區都缺乏一個統籌的機制\n534444\t561519\t所以才會多重馬車海域空間的規劃我們目前確實是有在擬定草案是海域空間我們大概這個時程會大概會會還有多久時間呢目前基本的架構大概有定案然後在陸續在處理草擬文字的過程當中條文目前在草擬但是基本的架構我們大概討論完成那從基本架構開始我們就會先做跨部會的協調\n562600\t588969\t因為它涉及的部會的主管業務蠻多的所以我在這邊也請海委會因為這個大家非常重視所以我也希望這個繳成可以加快讓他們有所依歸而不是多頭馬車不知道到底要是要是哪個單位哪個部會我們希望草案的文字什麼時候可以出來至少草案的文字在今年年底以前我們希望文字可以完好加油 謝謝然後再進入下個階段的協調 謝謝\n590863\t591044\t謝謝楊瓊英委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席 陽勛發言 邀請內政部長請內政部 劉部長吳元豪 部長好部長 我們今天除了剛剛有提出了臨時議案也就是針對於警消的這個部分 人員不足\n那去研議怎麼樣能幫他家族那也表示了這個錦霄呢對於長期承攬的高風險的這個情務很重要大家都看到除了人力不足再來就是他們的工作性質是非常的高風險\n所以立法院在年初的時候就三讀通過警察人員人事條例的修正案明訂了警消海巡移民以及空勤總隊人員的退休所得替代率它的上限是提高至80%但行政院到目前為止就是以一個違憲疑慮為由所以沒有編列相關的預算造成法令跟實務它是有落差的\n全區部雖然 雖然表示年底前完成了審定也邀請了內政部您來做研討但是到目前為止預算呢還沒有落地那這個會重挫到整個基層士氣跟民防的這個戰力所以本期要請教面對的行政院到目前為止沒有編列預算那內政部您提出了怎麼樣的因應方案呢請做說明\n謝謝楊委員的關心我已經講述非常多次了就是警察人員條例裡面涉及退休警察的人員的部分要跟權序部一起來辦理後續的相關事宜院長也多次在立法院的總質詢裡面提到就是送到大法官的解釋之後如果認為這個釋憲上面是有一定程度的處理\n不管要追溯或者是維持現在的狀態我們完全是尊重也就是說行政院的立場是遵守憲法那憲法下面所規範的部分的話行政機關都一定會遵守如果照部長你也擔任過地方首長\n如果照你這麼說我給你一個論定就是這個政府是違法的因為您剛才所說的要送大法官去釋憲的結果在大法官釋憲還沒有這個執行之的時候行政部門必須依照立法院所通過的法案經過總統府\n公佈之也就是說你必須依法行政你非但不依法行政你還找了一個不是理由的理由這個讓我們所有的警消人員情何以堪為什麼本席會提出這樣子因為你是主歧視者主管機關單位\n所以本席還是希望主席室的單位除了內政部還有權序部當然你必須要省慎之省慎之努力的去思考你到底要怎麼樣去應對我想這也是你的責任本席告訴你因為一定要充分的來尊重我們所有的這些\n警消人員這非常重要因為這是國家安全重要的元素接下來本席要請教在媒體10月15號報導海巡署的艦隊分屬第16海巡署的這些零星隊員三度的請假有心延長病假長達了10個月10個半月\n那在這種情況之下呢他雖然請假他仍舊是公務人員他仍舊是公務人員的身份所以呢他在這個期間呢他在經營的就是什麼燒烤餐廳他也經營了3700人的團購群組那形同是什麼呢養病兼創業\n那雖然本席強調雖然他請假請假你以病假就是讓你好好的休養你公務員的身份還是公務員員的身份所以呢具備公務員身份依照公務員服務法第14條的這個規定他是不得經營商業資是不是\n委員好 跟委員報告那原來這個同仁他的請假是拿到三金總醫院的一個醫生的證明這一個他的整個程序是依照醫主的這個方式來做處理也就是醫生的建議那這個部分我們後續有再查處然後我們知道他是有違反公人服務法部分那我們在昨天就召開考試會一次兩大過將他免職\n就是因為你們昨天做出了這樣的決議也就是所以是違法在先才能夠做出昨天的這個議決那本席也希望就介於這樣的一個情況因為以前也似乎沒有這樣子的案例那本席也希望因為有碰到這樣子你們要好好的去\n去精進你們的方案不要有樣學樣那就糟糕了所以我們也希望能夠讓我們這個後續查核的這個機制以及維護整個公務體系的公平性公正性以及公信力這是本席跟你討論的最重要的一個原則\n好 謝謝委員那這個部分我們這個主委有特別指示有後續的相關的進行措施我們都已經在處理了那未來這一個跟特別跟委員報告不會再發生類似的事情不會再發生這個事情你把你今天的方案也給本席謝謝那接下來本席要邀請海委會謝謝\n委員好那本期要跟你討論的是潛水潛水源以及在海域的問題因為潛水目前在我們國內是非常的蓬勃發展但是它長期在保險無門權責不清人船衝突\n這個灰色地帶那台中比如說台中市是庫城市庫運動我們全國也在9月9號成立的運動部所以運動對於我們國家來講很重要那潛水人員他們也希望因為目前業者雖然依照規定來這個責任顯然但是因為潛水它是被規列在什麼競賽活動它不是油氣的所以有很多的保險公司它都拒保\n去把握那所以有這樣的一個背景之後本集跟你討論的也就是因為在海域的部分有人建議是不是在海域的部分就完全由你海委會來管但是這又牽扯到觀光署\n又又牽扯到好幾個單位包括內政部等等現在目前不管陸上海域像風力發電他就給內政部的營建署來做申請那我們邏輯也覺得怪怪的你如果在海中間的你給營建署來申請當然這是業務的內容但是如果說是以你的這個地理的位置那好像是又覺得怪怪的\n所以有人這麼建議就是產業成為多頭馬車下的制度的孤兒那這怎麼辦呢跟委員報告就是說海洋委員會最後沒有變成海洋部而是委員會最主要當初就是把它定位為它是協調整合的機關所以它很多的相關的業務的主管的業務都還在各目的事業主管機關各部會他們是業務的主責機關\n但是作為協調整合機關跟我們報告就譬如說自由潛水我們非常關心所以保險的這一塊我們在初期就有出面來整合協調那陸續一路在走那活動的部分目前是\n答應可以給他們保但是經常性的保險一直都沒有保所以本行不希望case by 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02:05.864\n謝謝楊委員的關心我已經講述非常多次了就是警察人員條例裡面涉及退休警察的人員的部分要跟權序部一起來辦理後續的相關事宜院長也多次在立法院的總質詢裡面提到就是送到大法官的解釋之後如果認為這個釋憲上面是有一定程度的處理\n\n02:06.144 --> 02:20.426\n不管要追溯或者是維持現在的狀態我們完全是尊重也就是說行政院的立場是遵守憲法那憲法下面所規範的部分的話行政機關都一定會遵守如果照部長你也擔任過地方首長\n\n02:21.528 --> 02:43.665\n如果照你這麼說我給你一個論定就是這個政府是違法的因為您剛才所說的要送大法官去釋憲的結果在大法官釋憲還沒有這個執行之的時候行政部門必須依照立法院所通過的法案經過總統府\n\n02:47.647 --> 03:06.187\n公佈之也就是說你必須依法行政你非但不依法行政你還找了一個不是理由的理由這個讓我們所有的警消人員情何以堪為什麼本席會提出這樣子因為你是主歧視者主管機關單位\n\n03:07.248 --> 03:10.430\n所以本席還是希望主席室的單位除了內政部還有權序部當然你必須要省慎之省慎之努力的去思考你到底要怎麼樣去應對我想這也是你的責任本席告訴你因為一定要充分的來尊重我們所有的這些\n\n03:26.461 --> 03:42.048\n警消人員這非常重要因為這是國家安全重要的元素接下來本席要請教在媒體10月15號報導海巡署的艦隊分屬第16海巡署的這些零星隊員三度的請假有心延長病假長達了10個月10個半月\n\n03:52.592 --> 03:55.194\n那在這種情況之下呢他雖然請假他仍舊是公務人員他仍舊是公務人員的身份所以呢他在這個期間呢他在經營的就是什麼燒烤餐廳他也經營了3700人的團購群組那形同是什麼呢養病兼創業\n\n04:13.550 --> 04:31.162\n那雖然本席強調雖然他請假請假你以病假就是讓你好好的休養你公務員的身份還是公務員員的身份所以呢具備公務員身份依照公務員服務法第14條的這個規定他是不得經營商業資是不是\n\n04:33.578 --> 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