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00:01:51,007\n可能會在很多就是有家庭的這些有小孩子的家庭喔帶來一個很濃厚的壓力你知道嗎本來爸爸媽媽帶小孩出行你知道多少孩子想要去搭高鐵嗎他們對於搭高鐵是很有嚮往的覺得哇我可以去搭高鐵結果沒想到呢美好的高鐵體驗\n\n6\n00:01:52,368 --> 00:02:12,184\n孩子的美好有高鐵體驗變成一個噩夢所以我想本身像董事長你也是文化人針對這一方面你們有什麼樣子的措施來調整嗎是謝謝委員我想利用委員這個質詢我也特別重申高鐵是歡迎親子同行的絕對是歡迎親子同行\n\n7\n00:02:13,004 --> 00:02:30,572\n這是第一個第二個就是高鐵已經開通18年對面對車上各式各樣的樣態包括這個親子同行可能產生的問題事實上都有一貫處理的過程那大家也大概也都知道這個處理的過程我們過去應該也不曾聽過高鐵在處理這方面有比較\n\n8\n00:02:31,852 --> 00:02:48,672\n是過去一直我就說了小朋友要去搭高鐵都好高興而且你們的乘務員對孩子也都非常的友善是所以這個處理樣態的這個SOP事實上都是一樣所以其實鄰近車廂一開始就是針對的就是使用3C戴耳機\n\n9\n00:02:50,273 --> 00:03:10,431\n講手機到許醫官所以不是針對親子從頭到尾就沒有針對親子也不是針對孩子也不是對所以我們甚至都講出說孩童或者是無自主能力者不在其範圍之內我們都是盡力安排是那這一方面可能也還要請董事長加強宣導因為我必須要講正常的孩子\n\n10\n00:03:11,272 --> 00:03:25,081\n都沒辦法被接受的時候你要想也有一些孩子他是慢飛的孩子也有一些孩子他是自閉的孩子我們都希望說家長多多把他們帶出來我們一直鼓勵說他們要多多帶出來結果\n\n11\n00:03:26,582 --> 00:03:47,613\n假設他們被帶出來反而要接受更多異樣的眼光你要想說對於正常的孩子都是傷害了更何況是這些慢飛的孩子所以我還是很希望說剛才呼應一下那個王育民委員他講的就是說親子友善其實親子友善不代表說你要把那個車廂裝潢的\n\n12\n00:03:49,734 --> 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