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00:00:34,842\n好首先我要先感謝董事長在上次我們在講高鐵送年票的時候呢願意在暫假的時間呢也來示範這樣子然後也願意來定期追蹤那我想過去高鐵在於在疫情期間呢對於兩歲的孩子也是可以有這個口罩彈性的政策所以我相信那這個高鐵一定是可以做到親子友善的部分因為也都是非常的細膩跟貼心那我今天也看到了高鐵有六項聲明\n\n3\n00:00:36,002 --> 00:00:55,997\n那但是我想要再回到更前面一點來討論就是說當年我們在當初我們在推動這個政策的時候我們有沒有找相關的親子團體來討論這個可能的一個影響性因為呢為什麼這麼說是因為長期以來我覺得家長都背負了一個非常大的壓力特別是在搭乘大眾運輸工具的時候因為他們過去可能搭飛機\n\n4\n00:00:57,438 --> 00:01:14,950\n我說大家一些運輸工具的時候會被拍如果小朋友哭鬧會被拍或是被上網公審等等的所以為什麼這個才是寧靜車廂上路之後會引發這麼大的一個爭議所以我想特別請教就是說在這個之前我們有沒有找相關的親子團體啦兒少團體啦或是來帶兒少代表等等來做一個諮詢跟討論這樣子\n\n5\n00:01:18,073 --> 00:01:33,469\n謝謝我想高鐵公司在開通18年了相關的處理的經驗也算是豐富了所以其實我們的經理部門相關的人員其實對這方面其實都有他長期經驗的累積也不是沒有至於說委員說有沒有特定法制化的找親子團體來溝通確實沒有\n\n6\n00:01:35,322 --> 00:01:59,359\n了解好那我接下來我想要我也希望提個建議就是說我看到高鐵的一個改善措施是想要再提供一些可能開發一些素材那可以來跟親子更加的友善那我也是建議說如果我們在這個素材的開發如果我們真的走向那個方向的話是不是也可以找相關的團體來做一些討論來確保我們推出的這個素素材可能會是家長也很喜歡的\n\n7\n00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:28,286\n因為我自己會覺得啦對家長來說最重要的可能也不是那個素材也不是那個東西而是說整個環境上面有沒有對兒童相對的友善我想我們其實這幾天都已經在找相關網路上比較有意見的這個朋友也有諮詢他們的意見這個我們倒是很願意大家如果能夠提供更好的想法我們都願意接受好喔謝謝好那再來就是說我也想要再請教就是說我們在這個這部分我想請教衛福部\n\n8\n00:02:34,669 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