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00:01:05,661\n的問題所以還沒有完成那是因為遇到困難但是這次我們國防部的報告當中已經有指出因為相關的功能驗證涉及到多方不同國家的一個共同施作要協調廠家的排程進而導致時間拉長\n\n4\n00:01:07,222 --> 00:01:33,744\n那是不是就這個部分請教我們副參謀長能夠在完整的說明騎乘延宕的原因確定不是這個遇到技術上的瓶頸那另外還有沒有其他的因素可能會影響到後續的測試的一個騎乘在這個報告的結語我們有寫到要加速達成海上測試的目標實際上有什麼\n\n5\n00:01:34,885 --> 00:01:42,011\n這個做法能夠在確保安全和品質的這個狀況之下同時加速完成這個目標報告委員會請海軍參謀長就這個細節跟您回覆\n\n6\n00:01:46,056 --> 00:02:10,687\n委員早感謝委員關心那如同委員剛才所提到的目前就是在主機的這個電力管理系統還有IPMS的部分那因為這個都是比較屬於前追前航他需要一個比較要的一個全建的動力的一個系統跟整個控制信號的一個部分所以那海軍是屬於的職責就在做專案管理跟\n\n7\n00:02:12,047 --> 00:02:38,001\n跟這個建造所以每一項海軍軍艦的測試海軍都必須要簽署所以我們必須要嚴格的把關所以在這些每個要件簽署跟這個合理的這個這個履約的這個同時那我們對於它的每項的工作的執行的進度我們也都是非常如履薄冰來做所以當初才會希望說我們在潛航以前就必須要完成自動充電的完成\n\n8\n00:02:38,661 --> 00:02:58,059\n所以在這個部分目前我們比較確切的就是這一段可能就是在我們當前就是去必須要把這一段這兩個項目給做完之後那我們其他的這個裝備的現況現在可以要能夠接到到來做後續的這個潛航的測試目前是這樣跟委員說的所以這個廠家的串聯相關的這個問題應該都沒有了吧\n\n9\n00:03:00,822 --> 00:03:23,578\n那目前台船跟海軍然後跟整個的整合的部分都已經做好多方的協調對後續的廠家的測試還有整個的進度調控還有包含剛才前面講的IPMS那廠家也我們也台船也特別請了國內的一個廠家來共同參與那來做一個整個節點的能夠共同來配合然後把後續的驗測趕快按這個時間來推動\n\n10\n00:03:26,479 --> 00:03:53,943\n好那也請我們能夠確實掌握相關的期程那之前這個部長也說過目前的進度來看海昆號要在11月順利交建會是一個很大的挑戰那台船如果沒有辦法一約在11月交建應該會有相應的這個處罰那其中針對海軍索賠的這個機制是不是就能夠公開的部分進一步說明\n\n11\n00:03:55,163 --> 00:04:18,491\n包括他的計法次數還有金額相關的懲處的時間點會是在哪裡另外我們也知道合約在設計上除了違約的各種情境跟配套的賠償外也設有解除合約的機制我們這一案應該是不會走到這個地步吧\n\n12\n00:04:20,693 --> 00:04:44,174\n包委員我們整個現在目前你到如果11月份按原先合約的交件會在11月那11月份的話如果沒有違約的部分我們是以這個千分之百分之千分之0.1的這個照件款那目前大概是一天是19萬部分那剛才有提過就是上限是百分之二十的照件款\n\n13\n00:04:44,807 --> 00:05:03,001\n一天19萬是那由於是我們第一次做潛艦所以我們當初這個訂定的也是經過一個審慎的一個評估讓這個台船能夠在合宜的時間內把潛艦能夠如期的做出來那當時台船應該也是這個同意吧是的簽訂的時候是同意\n\n14\n00:05:03,982 --> 00:05:29,734\n好那另外有關上個月我們這個前潛艦的這個小組召集人我們黃曙光上將請辭之後那有許多的傳言認為可能會影響到後續作業的這個推動針對這個部分我想請教我們副參謀長目前潛艦國造計畫是否有所謂的這個負責人而高層的這個人事異動是不是會影響到後續計畫的一個推動\n\n15\n00:05:31,829 --> 00:05:45,167\n二報委員跟您說明第一個是我們還是要感謝黃之偉從擔任海軍司令時候開始啟動潛艦國造的奉獻與付出我們要對他表達衷心的感謝\n\n16\n00:05:46,348 --> 00:06:12,124\n現在這個黃志偉黃前總長已經離職之後現在是由海軍一約專案管理跟建造所有的這個督導跟這個持續的進行都是無縫接軌持續在進行我們會繼續督導船廠按照建造建的規範執行履約和交建督管的機制的運作不會因為人員更迭和異動受到影響我們現在仍然在一約在執行\n\n17\n00:06:12,904 --> 00:06:30,698\n好那有所謂的這個負責人就是我們現在已經現在就是交由海軍的專案管理人員來繼續負責好那現在除了這個原型艦還有這個困難需要解決以外還有同時要為我們後續艦持續進行評估和精進的部分\n\n18\n00:06:31,138 --> 00:06:58,965\n那除了先前被凍結的這個50%10億元的這個後續件預算那必須在原型件通過海測然後到立法院來進行解凍報告經過同意後才能使得凍資那明年度我們有編列119.5億的預算要全數通過也有相當大的一個挑戰那我想請教這個副參謀長如果後續我們這個後續件的這個預算被原型件\n\n19\n00:06:59,625 --> 00:07:25,099\n的這個連帶問題所影響甚至研發和造建的人員持續流失是否會對於我們後續建的這個推動產生自愛難行的部分第一部分是實際上我們這個仍然依照之前部長在這邊答詢所說的也在我們這個後續建第一批兩艘建造合約都簽署都有明訂待原型建要通過海撤之後才會支付款項\n\n20\n00:07:25,979 --> 00:07:44,057\n那有關這個台船這個後續他們繼續的規劃或者是人員的這部分據我們的了解台船根據這個在預算方面他們也有做他們自己的這個規劃跟這個相關的應付的措施那可以在\n\n21\n00:07:44,898 --> 00:07:56,429\n他們的自己的計畫內繼續的推動這個潛艦國造的各項的細部的工作不會影響後續艦的進度好就台船在這個合理的範圍之內還有辦法還是會持續推進是的\n\n22\n00:08:01,094 --> 00:08:26,212\n我們第一艘自製的潛艦可能會遇到很多的困難我相信我們不管是國防部還是海軍都已經感受到了需要逐一的去克服解決不但需要這個時間也必須以安全和品質為優先按部就班來完成尤其是我們官兵安全應該是要擺在首要的位階也藉此再提醒一次我們國防部\n\n23\n00:08:27,212 --> 00:08:41,563\n務必要確保安全才能執行後續的作業也讓之後的這個潛艦測試能夠平安順利的進行那也有利於我們未來我們所造出的潛艦是真的能夠發揮最大的效應那另外\n\n24\n00:08:42,284 --> 00:09:07,875\n同樣針對這個海軍戰力提升還有我們明年元旦要成立的這個冰海作戰指揮部目前我們已經知道規劃是納入海豐大隊還有海偵部光六飛彈快艇以及這個自海飛彈修復中心等單位並且賦予他這個軍團級的作戰部隊的位階相關的經費也已經編列到明年度的這個預算當中那\n\n25\n00:09:08,675 --> 00:09:22,045\n先前我們參謀長在備詢的時候有提到我們的兵子部在防務不只24海里目前針對兵子部的任務是否有更明確的一個劃分包括未來\n\n26\n00:09:23,941 --> 00:09:40,492\n這個與我們建址部在指揮鏈的這個關係當中會不會出現權責不清的部分那並且與這個海巡的這個協調又如何來配合是不是針對這個部分我們還是就能夠公開的部分做簡要的說明\n\n27\n00:09:41,392 --> 00:10:07,267\n報委員跟您報告當初我們在編設這個濱海作戰指揮部的時候就是根據作戰的需求來設計的所有的這個編制裝備跟人員都是在這個作戰指揮店的一條線下規劃出來了所以現在已經針對在作戰的時候建址部如何運用局指揮這個濱海作戰指揮部的這一部分都有明確的詳細的律定\n\n28\n00:10:08,368 --> 00:10:17,720\n另外有關後續相關的這個人員的編織的調整裝備的獲得以及這個海巡的協調實際上現在是按計畫在進行並沒有上面自來的問題\n\n29\n00:10:21,466 --> 00:10:48,338\n沒問題都在按計畫在進行好那針對我們這個反艦飛彈的部分我們也向美方採購了100套400枚的這個岸置魚叉飛彈系統在2026年底我們要先交運32套那其中部分的這個飛彈發射車和雷達車也已經運抵我們台灣由海豐大隊這個接裝訓練那我想請教就是目前我們這個\n\n30\n00:10:49,659 --> 00:11:03,355\n安置魚叉飛彈籌貨的進度如何第一批的飛彈彈體是否確定可以在年底前交付敢在我們兵子部成立前能夠就定位這部分請海軍常務長回答\n\n31\n00:11:04,325 --> 00:11:26,858\n委員好有關賓子部目前都還在整個編設的規劃上那整個時間節點會到明年的我們現在是暫顧是明年的年中七月份才會有初步的編裝的一個生效那我們這整個的推顧也是按照整個飛彈的裝備接裝的結角接收的一個部分\n\n32\n00:11:27,378 --> 00:11:51,608\n那目前的話那個後續的話大概會到年底到年明年年初會陸續的這個會開始陸陸續續的這個膠狀的節點會陸陸續續來推動那後面重點就是在在明年部分我們也會依照這個編社所需要這個部分還要再跟廣部去把未來的這個到明年年中之前把我們的前置作業給完成拿來達到他應該有的一個關鍵戰力的一個前置作業\n\n33\n00:11:52,435 --> 00:12:10,215\n好那我們飛彈可以按照期程就定位吧就是從年底到明年第一第二季都是陸陸續續的在做這些遞交好那另外再最後一個問題我想請教一下我們兵子部對無人機無人艇的運用有沒有提出相關的規劃和需求\n\n34\n00:12:12,097 --> 00:12:40,055\n是報告委員就是說有關於無人機跟無人艇的部分現在我們都已經規劃在兵子部的整個兵海打擊的重層結集這一段所以這兩類的規劃我們都已經納入了相關的建案的程序但是因為很多的BN社還有預算的BN社還沒有完全獲付預算以前我們詳細的內容我們比較抱歉沒有辦法提供比較細部那委員如果需要的部分我們再到委員辦公室跟向委員做報告\n\n35\n00:12:40,635 --> 00:12:41,399\n好謝謝我們副參謀長謝謝好謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1071\t9963\t我們有請副參謀長我們皇上將還有我們海軍司令邱俊榮中將\n14319\t43399\t副參謀長 早我想針對大家非常關心的我們潛艦國造的進度上禮拜經過機密的報告和巡打之後今天還是就這個部分能夠公開的部分來進行相關的討論有關潛艦的準備工作先前外界都猜測是主機和電力管理系統還有整合式的載台管理系統\n45300\t65661\t的問題 所以還沒有完成那是因為遇到困難 但是這次我們國防部的報告當中已經有指出因為相關的功能驗證涉及到多方不同國家的一個共同施作要協調廠家的排程 進而導致時間拉長\n67222\t93744\t那是不是就這個部分請教我們副參謀長能夠在完整的說明騎乘延宕的原因確定不是這個遇到技術上的瓶頸那另外還有沒有其他的因素可能會影響到後續的測試的一個騎乘在這個報告的結語我們有寫到要加速達成海上測試的目標實際上有什麼\n94885\t102011\t這個做法能夠在確保安全和品質的這個狀況之下同時加速完成這個目標報告委員會請海軍參謀長就這個細節跟您回覆\n106056\t130687\t委員早 感謝委員關心那如同委員剛才所提到的目前就是在主機的這個電力管理系統還有IPMS的部分那因為這個都是比較屬於前追前航他需要一個比較要的一個全建的動力的一個系統跟整個控制信號的一個部分所以那海軍是屬於的職責就在做專案管理跟\n132047\t158001\t跟這個建造所以每一項海軍軍艦的測試海軍都必須要簽署所以我們必須要嚴格的把關所以在這些每個要件簽署跟這個合理的這個這個履約的這個同時那我們對於它的每項的工作的執行的進度我們也都是非常如履薄冰來做所以當初才會希望說我們在潛航以前就必須要完成自動充電的完成\n158661\t178059\t所以在這個部分目前我們比較確切的就是這一段可能就是在我們當前就是去必須要把這一段這兩個項目給做完之後那我們其他的這個裝備的現況現在可以要能夠接到到來做後續的這個潛航的測試目前是這樣跟委員說的所以這個廠家的串聯相關的這個問題應該都沒有了吧\n180822\t203578\t那目前台船跟海軍然後跟整個的整合的部分都已經做好多方的協調對後續的廠家的測試還有整個的進度調控還有包含剛才前面講的IPMS那廠家也我們也台船也特別請了國內的一個廠家來共同參與那來做一個整個節點的能夠共同來配合然後把後續的驗測趕快按這個時間來推動\n206479\t233943\t好 那也請我們能夠確實掌握相關的期程那之前這個部長也說過目前的進度來看海昆號要在11月順利交建會是一個很大的挑戰那台船如果沒有辦法一約在11月交建應該會有相應的這個處罰那其中針對海軍索賠的這個機制是不是就能夠公開的部分進一步說明\n235163\t258491\t包括他的計法次數還有金額相關的懲處的時間點會是在哪裡另外我們也知道合約在設計上除了違約的各種情境跟配套的賠償外也設有解除合約的機制我們這一案應該是不會走到這個地步吧\n260693\t284174\t包委員我們整個現在目前你到如果11月份按原先合約的交件會在11月那11月份的話如果沒有違約的部分我們是以這個千分之百分之千分之0.1的這個照件款那目前大概是一天是19萬部分那剛才有提過就是上限是百分之二十的照件款\n284807\t303001\t一天19萬 是那由於是我們第一次做潛艦所以我們當初這個訂定的也是經過一個審慎的一個評估讓這個台船能夠在合宜的時間內把潛艦能夠如期的做出來那當時台船應該也是這個同意吧是的簽訂的時候是同意\n303982\t329734\t好 那另外有關上個月我們這個前 潛艦的這個小組召集人我們黃曙光上將請辭之後那有許多的傳言認為可能會影響到後續作業的這個推動針對這個部分我想請教我們副參謀長目前潛艦國造計畫是否有所謂的這個負責人而高層的這個人事異動是不是會影響到後續計畫的一個推動\n331829\t345167\t二報委員跟您說明第一個是我們還是要感謝黃之偉從擔任海軍司令時候開始啟動潛艦國造的奉獻與付出我們要對他表達衷心的感謝\n346348\t372124\t現在這個黃志偉黃前總長已經離職之後現在是由海軍一約專案管理跟建造所有的這個督導跟這個持續的進行都是無縫接軌持續在進行我們會繼續督導船廠按照建造建的規範執行履約和交建督管的機制的運作不會因為人員更迭和異動受到影響我們現在仍然在一約在執行\n372904\t390698\t好 那有所謂的這個負責人就是我們現在已經現在就是交由海軍的專案管理人員來繼續負責好 那現在除了這個原型艦還有這個困難需要解決以外還有同時要為我們後續艦持續進行評估和精進的部分\n391138\t418965\t那除了先前被凍結的這個50%10億元的這個後續件預算那必須在原型件通過海測然後到立法院來進行解凍報告經過同意後才能使得凍資那明年度我們有編列119.5億的預算要全數通過也有相當大的一個挑戰那我想請教這個副參謀長如果後續我們這個後續件的這個預算被原型件\n419625\t445099\t的這個連帶問題所影響甚至研發和造建的人員持續流失是否會對於我們後續建的這個推動產生自愛難行的部分第一部分是實際上我們這個仍然依照之前部長在這邊答詢所說的也在我們這個後續建第一批兩艘建造合約都簽署都有明訂待原型建要通過海撤之後才會支付款項\n445979\t464057\t那有關這個台船這個後續他們繼續的規劃或者是人員的這部分據我們的了解台船根據這個在預算方面他們也有做他們自己的這個規劃跟這個相關的應付的措施那可以在\n464898\t476429\t他們的自己的計畫內繼續的推動這個潛艦國造的各項的細部的工作不會影響後續艦的進度好 就台船在這個合理的範圍之內還有辦法 還是會持續推進是的\n481094\t506212\t我們第一艘自製的潛艦可能會遇到很多的困難我相信我們不管是國防部還是海軍都已經感受到了需要逐一的去克服解決不但需要這個時間也必須以安全和品質為優先按部就班來完成尤其是我們官兵安全應該是要擺在首要的位階也藉此再提醒一次我們國防部\n507212\t521563\t務必要確保安全才能執行後續的作業也讓之後的這個潛艦測試能夠平安順利的進行那也有利於我們未來我們所造出的潛艦是真的能夠發揮最大的效應那另外\n522284\t547875\t同樣針對這個海軍戰力提升還有我們明年元旦要成立的這個冰海作戰指揮部目前我們已經知道規劃是納入海豐大隊還有海偵部光六飛彈快艇以及這個自海飛彈修復中心等單位並且賦予他這個軍團級的作戰部隊的位階相關的經費也已經編列到明年度的這個預算當中那\n548675\t562045\t先前我們參謀長在備詢的時候有提到我們的兵子部在防務不只24海里目前針對兵子部的任務是否有更明確的一個劃分包括未來\n563941\t580492\t這個與我們建址部在指揮鏈的這個關係當中會不會出現權責不清的部分那並且與這個海巡的這個協調又如何來配合是不是針對這個部分我們還是就能夠公開的部分做簡要的說明\n581392\t607267\t報委員跟您報告當初我們在編設這個濱海作戰指揮部的時候就是根據作戰的需求來設計的所有的這個編制裝備跟人員都是在這個作戰指揮店的一條線下規劃出來了所以現在已經針對在作戰的時候建址部如何運用局指揮這個濱海作戰指揮部的這一部分都有明確的詳細的律定\n608368\t617720\t另外有關後續相關的這個人員的編織的調整裝備的獲得以及這個海巡的協調實際上現在是按計畫在進行並沒有上面自來的問題\n621466\t648338\t沒問題 都在按計畫在進行好 那針對我們這個反艦飛彈的部分我們也向美方採購了100套400枚的這個岸置魚叉飛彈系統在2026年底我們要先交運32套那其中部分的這個飛彈發射車和雷達車也已經運抵我們台灣由海豐大隊這個接裝訓練那我想請教就是目前我們這個\n649659\t663355\t安置魚叉飛彈 籌貨的進度如何第一批的飛彈 彈體是否確定可以在年底前交付敢在我們兵子部成立前能夠就定位這部分請海軍常務長回答\n664325\t686858\t委員好 有關賓子部目前都還在整個編設的規劃上那整個時間節點會到明年的我們現在是暫顧是明年的年中七月份才會有初步的編裝的一個生效那我們這整個的推顧也是按照整個飛彈的裝備 接裝的結角 接收的一個部分\n687378\t711608\t那目前的話那個後續的話大概會到年底到年明年年初會陸續的這個會開始陸陸續續的這個膠狀的節點會陸陸續續來推動那後面重點就是在在明年部分我們也會依照這個編社所需要這個部分還要再跟廣部去把未來的這個到明年年中之前把我們的前置作業給完成拿來達到他應該有的一個關鍵戰力的一個前置作業\n712435\t730215\t好 那我們飛彈可以按照期程就定位吧就是從年底到明年第一第二季都是陸陸續續的在做這些遞交好 那另外再最後一個問題我想請教一下我們兵子部對無人機無人艇的運用有沒有提出相關的規劃和需求\n732097\t760055\t是 報告委員就是說有關於無人機跟無人艇的部分現在我們都已經規劃在兵子部的整個兵海打擊的重層結集這一段所以這兩類的規劃我們都已經納入了相關的建案的程序但是因為很多的BN社還有預算的BN社還沒有完全獲付預算以前我們詳細的內容我們比較抱歉沒有辦法提供比較細部那委員如果需要的部分我們再到委員辦公室跟向委員做報告\n760635\t761399\t好 謝謝我們副參謀長 謝謝好 謝謝委員\n","txt":"我們有請副參謀長我們皇上將還有我們海軍司令邱俊榮中將\n副參謀長 早我想針對大家非常關心的我們潛艦國造的進度上禮拜經過機密的報告和巡打之後今天還是就這個部分能夠公開的部分來進行相關的討論有關潛艦的準備工作先前外界都猜測是主機和電力管理系統還有整合式的載台管理系統\n的問題 所以還沒有完成那是因為遇到困難 但是這次我們國防部的報告當中已經有指出因為相關的功能驗證涉及到多方不同國家的一個共同施作要協調廠家的排程 進而導致時間拉長\n那是不是就這個部分請教我們副參謀長能夠在完整的說明騎乘延宕的原因確定不是這個遇到技術上的瓶頸那另外還有沒有其他的因素可能會影響到後續的測試的一個騎乘在這個報告的結語我們有寫到要加速達成海上測試的目標實際上有什麼\n這個做法能夠在確保安全和品質的這個狀況之下同時加速完成這個目標報告委員會請海軍參謀長就這個細節跟您回覆\n委員早 感謝委員關心那如同委員剛才所提到的目前就是在主機的這個電力管理系統還有IPMS的部分那因為這個都是比較屬於前追前航他需要一個比較要的一個全建的動力的一個系統跟整個控制信號的一個部分所以那海軍是屬於的職責就在做專案管理跟\n跟這個建造所以每一項海軍軍艦的測試海軍都必須要簽署所以我們必須要嚴格的把關所以在這些每個要件簽署跟這個合理的這個這個履約的這個同時那我們對於它的每項的工作的執行的進度我們也都是非常如履薄冰來做所以當初才會希望說我們在潛航以前就必須要完成自動充電的完成\n所以在這個部分目前我們比較確切的就是這一段可能就是在我們當前就是去必須要把這一段這兩個項目給做完之後那我們其他的這個裝備的現況現在可以要能夠接到到來做後續的這個潛航的測試目前是這樣跟委員說的所以這個廠家的串聯相關的這個問題應該都沒有了吧\n那目前台船跟海軍然後跟整個的整合的部分都已經做好多方的協調對後續的廠家的測試還有整個的進度調控還有包含剛才前面講的IPMS那廠家也我們也台船也特別請了國內的一個廠家來共同參與那來做一個整個節點的能夠共同來配合然後把後續的驗測趕快按這個時間來推動\n好 那也請我們能夠確實掌握相關的期程那之前這個部長也說過目前的進度來看海昆號要在11月順利交建會是一個很大的挑戰那台船如果沒有辦法一約在11月交建應該會有相應的這個處罰那其中針對海軍索賠的這個機制是不是就能夠公開的部分進一步說明\n包括他的計法次數還有金額相關的懲處的時間點會是在哪裡另外我們也知道合約在設計上除了違約的各種情境跟配套的賠償外也設有解除合約的機制我們這一案應該是不會走到這個地步吧\n包委員我們整個現在目前你到如果11月份按原先合約的交件會在11月那11月份的話如果沒有違約的部分我們是以這個千分之百分之千分之0.1的這個照件款那目前大概是一天是19萬部分那剛才有提過就是上限是百分之二十的照件款\n一天19萬 是那由於是我們第一次做潛艦所以我們當初這個訂定的也是經過一個審慎的一個評估讓這個台船能夠在合宜的時間內把潛艦能夠如期的做出來那當時台船應該也是這個同意吧是的簽訂的時候是同意\n好 那另外有關上個月我們這個前 潛艦的這個小組召集人我們黃曙光上將請辭之後那有許多的傳言認為可能會影響到後續作業的這個推動針對這個部分我想請教我們副參謀長目前潛艦國造計畫是否有所謂的這個負責人而高層的這個人事異動是不是會影響到後續計畫的一個推動\n二報委員跟您說明第一個是我們還是要感謝黃之偉從擔任海軍司令時候開始啟動潛艦國造的奉獻與付出我們要對他表達衷心的感謝\n現在這個黃志偉黃前總長已經離職之後現在是由海軍一約專案管理跟建造所有的這個督導跟這個持續的進行都是無縫接軌持續在進行我們會繼續督導船廠按照建造建的規範執行履約和交建督管的機制的運作不會因為人員更迭和異動受到影響我們現在仍然在一約在執行\n好 那有所謂的這個負責人就是我們現在已經現在就是交由海軍的專案管理人員來繼續負責好 那現在除了這個原型艦還有這個困難需要解決以外還有同時要為我們後續艦持續進行評估和精進的部分\n那除了先前被凍結的這個50%10億元的這個後續件預算那必須在原型件通過海測然後到立法院來進行解凍報告經過同意後才能使得凍資那明年度我們有編列119.5億的預算要全數通過也有相當大的一個挑戰那我想請教這個副參謀長如果後續我們這個後續件的這個預算被原型件\n的這個連帶問題所影響甚至研發和造建的人員持續流失是否會對於我們後續建的這個推動產生自愛難行的部分第一部分是實際上我們這個仍然依照之前部長在這邊答詢所說的也在我們這個後續建第一批兩艘建造合約都簽署都有明訂待原型建要通過海撤之後才會支付款項\n那有關這個台船這個後續他們繼續的規劃或者是人員的這部分據我們的了解台船根據這個在預算方面他們也有做他們自己的這個規劃跟這個相關的應付的措施那可以在\n他們的自己的計畫內繼續的推動這個潛艦國造的各項的細部的工作不會影響後續艦的進度好 就台船在這個合理的範圍之內還有辦法 還是會持續推進是的\n我們第一艘自製的潛艦可能會遇到很多的困難我相信我們不管是國防部還是海軍都已經感受到了需要逐一的去克服解決不但需要這個時間也必須以安全和品質為優先按部就班來完成尤其是我們官兵安全應該是要擺在首要的位階也藉此再提醒一次我們國防部\n務必要確保安全才能執行後續的作業也讓之後的這個潛艦測試能夠平安順利的進行那也有利於我們未來我們所造出的潛艦是真的能夠發揮最大的效應那另外\n同樣針對這個海軍戰力提升還有我們明年元旦要成立的這個冰海作戰指揮部目前我們已經知道規劃是納入海豐大隊還有海偵部光六飛彈快艇以及這個自海飛彈修復中心等單位並且賦予他這個軍團級的作戰部隊的位階相關的經費也已經編列到明年度的這個預算當中那\n先前我們參謀長在備詢的時候有提到我們的兵子部在防務不只24海里目前針對兵子部的任務是否有更明確的一個劃分包括未來\n這個與我們建址部在指揮鏈的這個關係當中會不會出現權責不清的部分那並且與這個海巡的這個協調又如何來配合是不是針對這個部分我們還是就能夠公開的部分做簡要的說明\n報委員跟您報告當初我們在編設這個濱海作戰指揮部的時候就是根據作戰的需求來設計的所有的這個編制裝備跟人員都是在這個作戰指揮店的一條線下規劃出來了所以現在已經針對在作戰的時候建址部如何運用局指揮這個濱海作戰指揮部的這一部分都有明確的詳細的律定\n另外有關後續相關的這個人員的編織的調整裝備的獲得以及這個海巡的協調實際上現在是按計畫在進行並沒有上面自來的問題\n沒問題 都在按計畫在進行好 那針對我們這個反艦飛彈的部分我們也向美方採購了100套400枚的這個岸置魚叉飛彈系統在2026年底我們要先交運32套那其中部分的這個飛彈發射車和雷達車也已經運抵我們台灣由海豐大隊這個接裝訓練那我想請教就是目前我們這個\n安置魚叉飛彈 籌貨的進度如何第一批的飛彈 彈體是否確定可以在年底前交付敢在我們兵子部成立前能夠就定位這部分請海軍常務長回答\n委員好 有關賓子部目前都還在整個編設的規劃上那整個時間節點會到明年的我們現在是暫顧是明年的年中七月份才會有初步的編裝的一個生效那我們這整個的推顧也是按照整個飛彈的裝備 接裝的結角 接收的一個部分\n那目前的話那個後續的話大概會到年底到年明年年初會陸續的這個會開始陸陸續續的這個膠狀的節點會陸陸續續來推動那後面重點就是在在明年部分我們也會依照這個編社所需要這個部分還要再跟廣部去把未來的這個到明年年中之前把我們的前置作業給完成拿來達到他應該有的一個關鍵戰力的一個前置作業\n好 那我們飛彈可以按照期程就定位吧就是從年底到明年第一第二季都是陸陸續續的在做這些遞交好 那另外再最後一個問題我想請教一下我們兵子部對無人機無人艇的運用有沒有提出相關的規劃和需求\n是 報告委員就是說有關於無人機跟無人艇的部分現在我們都已經規劃在兵子部的整個兵海打擊的重層結集這一段所以這兩類的規劃我們都已經納入了相關的建案的程序但是因為很多的BN社還有預算的BN社還沒有完全獲付預算以前我們詳細的內容我們比較抱歉沒有辦法提供比較細部那委員如果需要的部分我們再到委員辦公室跟向委員做報告\n好 謝謝我們副參謀長 謝謝好 謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.071 --> 00:09.963\n我們有請副參謀長我們皇上將還有我們海軍司令邱俊榮中將\n\n00:14.319 --> 00:43.399\n副參謀長早我想針對大家非常關心的我們潛艦國造的進度上禮拜經過機密的報告和巡打之後今天還是就這個部分能夠公開的部分來進行相關的討論有關潛艦的準備工作先前外界都猜測是主機和電力管理系統還有整合式的載台管理系統\n\n00:45.300 --> 01:05.661\n的問題所以還沒有完成那是因為遇到困難但是這次我們國防部的報告當中已經有指出因為相關的功能驗證涉及到多方不同國家的一個共同施作要協調廠家的排程進而導致時間拉長\n\n01:07.222 --> 01:33.744\n那是不是就這個部分請教我們副參謀長能夠在完整的說明騎乘延宕的原因確定不是這個遇到技術上的瓶頸那另外還有沒有其他的因素可能會影響到後續的測試的一個騎乘在這個報告的結語我們有寫到要加速達成海上測試的目標實際上有什麼\n\n01:34.885 --> 01:42.011\n這個做法能夠在確保安全和品質的這個狀況之下同時加速完成這個目標報告委員會請海軍參謀長就這個細節跟您回覆\n\n01:46.056 --> 02:10.687\n委員早感謝委員關心那如同委員剛才所提到的目前就是在主機的這個電力管理系統還有IPMS的部分那因為這個都是比較屬於前追前航他需要一個比較要的一個全建的動力的一個系統跟整個控制信號的一個部分所以那海軍是屬於的職責就在做專案管理跟\n\n02:12.047 --> 02:38.001\n跟這個建造所以每一項海軍軍艦的測試海軍都必須要簽署所以我們必須要嚴格的把關所以在這些每個要件簽署跟這個合理的這個這個履約的這個同時那我們對於它的每項的工作的執行的進度我們也都是非常如履薄冰來做所以當初才會希望說我們在潛航以前就必須要完成自動充電的完成\n\n02:38.661 --> 02:58.059\n所以在這個部分目前我們比較確切的就是這一段可能就是在我們當前就是去必須要把這一段這兩個項目給做完之後那我們其他的這個裝備的現況現在可以要能夠接到到來做後續的這個潛航的測試目前是這樣跟委員說的所以這個廠家的串聯相關的這個問題應該都沒有了吧\n\n03:00.822 --> 03:23.578\n那目前台船跟海軍然後跟整個的整合的部分都已經做好多方的協調對後續的廠家的測試還有整個的進度調控還有包含剛才前面講的IPMS那廠家也我們也台船也特別請了國內的一個廠家來共同參與那來做一個整個節點的能夠共同來配合然後把後續的驗測趕快按這個時間來推動\n\n03:26.479 --> 03:53.943\n好那也請我們能夠確實掌握相關的期程那之前這個部長也說過目前的進度來看海昆號要在11月順利交建會是一個很大的挑戰那台船如果沒有辦法一約在11月交建應該會有相應的這個處罰那其中針對海軍索賠的這個機制是不是就能夠公開的部分進一步說明\n\n03:55.163 --> 04:18.491\n包括他的計法次數還有金額相關的懲處的時間點會是在哪裡另外我們也知道合約在設計上除了違約的各種情境跟配套的賠償外也設有解除合約的機制我們這一案應該是不會走到這個地步吧\n\n04:20.693 --> 04:44.174\n包委員我們整個現在目前你到如果11月份按原先合約的交件會在11月那11月份的話如果沒有違約的部分我們是以這個千分之百分之千分之0.1的這個照件款那目前大概是一天是19萬部分那剛才有提過就是上限是百分之二十的照件款\n\n04:44.807 --> 05:03.001\n一天19萬是那由於是我們第一次做潛艦所以我們當初這個訂定的也是經過一個審慎的一個評估讓這個台船能夠在合宜的時間內把潛艦能夠如期的做出來那當時台船應該也是這個同意吧是的簽訂的時候是同意\n\n05:03.982 --> 05:29.734\n好那另外有關上個月我們這個前潛艦的這個小組召集人我們黃曙光上將請辭之後那有許多的傳言認為可能會影響到後續作業的這個推動針對這個部分我想請教我們副參謀長目前潛艦國造計畫是否有所謂的這個負責人而高層的這個人事異動是不是會影響到後續計畫的一個推動\n\n05:31.829 --> 05:45.167\n二報委員跟您說明第一個是我們還是要感謝黃之偉從擔任海軍司令時候開始啟動潛艦國造的奉獻與付出我們要對他表達衷心的感謝\n\n05:46.348 --> 06:12.124\n現在這個黃志偉黃前總長已經離職之後現在是由海軍一約專案管理跟建造所有的這個督導跟這個持續的進行都是無縫接軌持續在進行我們會繼續督導船廠按照建造建的規範執行履約和交建督管的機制的運作不會因為人員更迭和異動受到影響我們現在仍然在一約在執行\n\n06:12.904 --> 06:30.698\n好那有所謂的這個負責人就是我們現在已經現在就是交由海軍的專案管理人員來繼續負責好那現在除了這個原型艦還有這個困難需要解決以外還有同時要為我們後續艦持續進行評估和精進的部分\n\n06:31.138 --> 06:58.965\n那除了先前被凍結的這個50%10億元的這個後續件預算那必須在原型件通過海測然後到立法院來進行解凍報告經過同意後才能使得凍資那明年度我們有編列119.5億的預算要全數通過也有相當大的一個挑戰那我想請教這個副參謀長如果後續我們這個後續件的這個預算被原型件\n\n06:59.625 --> 07:25.099\n的這個連帶問題所影響甚至研發和造建的人員持續流失是否會對於我們後續建的這個推動產生自愛難行的部分第一部分是實際上我們這個仍然依照之前部長在這邊答詢所說的也在我們這個後續建第一批兩艘建造合約都簽署都有明訂待原型建要通過海撤之後才會支付款項\n\n07:25.979 --> 07:44.057\n那有關這個台船這個後續他們繼續的規劃或者是人員的這部分據我們的了解台船根據這個在預算方面他們也有做他們自己的這個規劃跟這個相關的應付的措施那可以在\n\n07:44.898 --> 07:56.429\n他們的自己的計畫內繼續的推動這個潛艦國造的各項的細部的工作不會影響後續艦的進度好就台船在這個合理的範圍之內還有辦法還是會持續推進是的\n\n08:01.094 --> 08:26.212\n我們第一艘自製的潛艦可能會遇到很多的困難我相信我們不管是國防部還是海軍都已經感受到了需要逐一的去克服解決不但需要這個時間也必須以安全和品質為優先按部就班來完成尤其是我們官兵安全應該是要擺在首要的位階也藉此再提醒一次我們國防部\n\n08:27.212 --> 08:41.563\n務必要確保安全才能執行後續的作業也讓之後的這個潛艦測試能夠平安順利的進行那也有利於我們未來我們所造出的潛艦是真的能夠發揮最大的效應那另外\n\n08:42.284 --> 09:07.875\n同樣針對這個海軍戰力提升還有我們明年元旦要成立的這個冰海作戰指揮部目前我們已經知道規劃是納入海豐大隊還有海偵部光六飛彈快艇以及這個自海飛彈修復中心等單位並且賦予他這個軍團級的作戰部隊的位階相關的經費也已經編列到明年度的這個預算當中那\n\n09:08.675 --> 09:22.045\n先前我們參謀長在備詢的時候有提到我們的兵子部在防務不只24海里目前針對兵子部的任務是否有更明確的一個劃分包括未來\n\n09:23.941 --> 09:40.492\n這個與我們建址部在指揮鏈的這個關係當中會不會出現權責不清的部分那並且與這個海巡的這個協調又如何來配合是不是針對這個部分我們還是就能夠公開的部分做簡要的說明\n\n09:41.392 --> 10:07.267\n報委員跟您報告當初我們在編設這個濱海作戰指揮部的時候就是根據作戰的需求來設計的所有的這個編制裝備跟人員都是在這個作戰指揮店的一條線下規劃出來了所以現在已經針對在作戰的時候建址部如何運用局指揮這個濱海作戰指揮部的這一部分都有明確的詳細的律定\n\n10:08.368 --> 10:17.720\n另外有關後續相關的這個人員的編織的調整裝備的獲得以及這個海巡的協調實際上現在是按計畫在進行並沒有上面自來的問題\n\n10:21.466 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早我想針對大家非常關心的我們潛艦國造的進度上禮拜經過機密的報告和巡打之後今天還是就這個部分能夠公開的部分來進行相關的討論有關潛艦的準備工作先前外界都猜測是主機和電力管理系統還有整合式的載台管理系統"},{"start":45.3,"end":65.661,"text":"的問題 所以還沒有完成那是因為遇到困難 但是這次我們國防部的報告當中已經有指出因為相關的功能驗證涉及到多方不同國家的一個共同施作要協調廠家的排程 進而導致時間拉長"},{"start":67.222,"end":93.744,"text":"那是不是就這個部分請教我們副參謀長能夠在完整的說明騎乘延宕的原因確定不是這個遇到技術上的瓶頸那另外還有沒有其他的因素可能會影響到後續的測試的一個騎乘在這個報告的結語我們有寫到要加速達成海上測試的目標實際上有什麼"},{"start":94.885,"end":102.011,"text":"這個做法能夠在確保安全和品質的這個狀況之下同時加速完成這個目標報告委員會請海軍參謀長就這個細節跟您回覆"},{"start":106.056,"end":130.687,"text":"委員早 感謝委員關心那如同委員剛才所提到的目前就是在主機的這個電力管理系統還有IPMS的部分那因為這個都是比較屬於前追前航他需要一個比較要的一個全建的動力的一個系統跟整個控制信號的一個部分所以那海軍是屬於的職責就在做專案管理跟"},{"start":132.047,"end":158.001,"text":"跟這個建造所以每一項海軍軍艦的測試海軍都必須要簽署所以我們必須要嚴格的把關所以在這些每個要件簽署跟這個合理的這個這個履約的這個同時那我們對於它的每項的工作的執行的進度我們也都是非常如履薄冰來做所以當初才會希望說我們在潛航以前就必須要完成自動充電的完成"},{"start":158.661,"end":178.059,"text":"所以在這個部分目前我們比較確切的就是這一段可能就是在我們當前就是去必須要把這一段這兩個項目給做完之後那我們其他的這個裝備的現況現在可以要能夠接到到來做後續的這個潛航的測試目前是這樣跟委員說的所以這個廠家的串聯相關的這個問題應該都沒有了吧"},{"start":180.822,"end":203.578,"text":"那目前台船跟海軍然後跟整個的整合的部分都已經做好多方的協調對後續的廠家的測試還有整個的進度調控還有包含剛才前面講的IPMS那廠家也我們也台船也特別請了國內的一個廠家來共同參與那來做一個整個節點的能夠共同來配合然後把後續的驗測趕快按這個時間來推動"},{"start":206.479,"end":233.943,"text":"好 那也請我們能夠確實掌握相關的期程那之前這個部長也說過目前的進度來看海昆號要在11月順利交建會是一個很大的挑戰那台船如果沒有辦法一約在11月交建應該會有相應的這個處罰那其中針對海軍索賠的這個機制是不是就能夠公開的部分進一步說明"},{"start":235.163,"end":258.491,"text":"包括他的計法次數還有金額相關的懲處的時間點會是在哪裡另外我們也知道合約在設計上除了違約的各種情境跟配套的賠償外也設有解除合約的機制我們這一案應該是不會走到這個地步吧"},{"start":260.693,"end":284.174,"text":"包委員我們整個現在目前你到如果11月份按原先合約的交件會在11月那11月份的話如果沒有違約的部分我們是以這個千分之百分之千分之0.1的這個照件款那目前大概是一天是19萬部分那剛才有提過就是上限是百分之二十的照件款"},{"start":284.807,"end":303.001,"text":"一天19萬 是那由於是我們第一次做潛艦所以我們當初這個訂定的也是經過一個審慎的一個評估讓這個台船能夠在合宜的時間內把潛艦能夠如期的做出來那當時台船應該也是這個同意吧是的簽訂的時候是同意"},{"start":303.982,"end":329.734,"text":"好 那另外有關上個月我們這個前 潛艦的這個小組召集人我們黃曙光上將請辭之後那有許多的傳言認為可能會影響到後續作業的這個推動針對這個部分我想請教我們副參謀長目前潛艦國造計畫是否有所謂的這個負責人而高層的這個人事異動是不是會影響到後續計畫的一個推動"},{"start":331.829,"end":345.167,"text":"二報委員跟您說明第一個是我們還是要感謝黃之偉從擔任海軍司令時候開始啟動潛艦國造的奉獻與付出我們要對他表達衷心的感謝"},{"start":346.348,"end":372.124,"text":"現在這個黃志偉黃前總長已經離職之後現在是由海軍一約專案管理跟建造所有的這個督導跟這個持續的進行都是無縫接軌持續在進行我們會繼續督導船廠按照建造建的規範執行履約和交建督管的機制的運作不會因為人員更迭和異動受到影響我們現在仍然在一約在執行"},{"start":372.904,"end":390.698,"text":"好 那有所謂的這個負責人就是我們現在已經現在就是交由海軍的專案管理人員來繼續負責好 那現在除了這個原型艦還有這個困難需要解決以外還有同時要為我們後續艦持續進行評估和精進的部分"},{"start":391.138,"end":418.965,"text":"那除了先前被凍結的這個50%10億元的這個後續件預算那必須在原型件通過海測然後到立法院來進行解凍報告經過同意後才能使得凍資那明年度我們有編列119.5億的預算要全數通過也有相當大的一個挑戰那我想請教這個副參謀長如果後續我們這個後續件的這個預算被原型件"},{"start":419.625,"end":445.099,"text":"的這個連帶問題所影響甚至研發和造建的人員持續流失是否會對於我們後續建的這個推動產生自愛難行的部分第一部分是實際上我們這個仍然依照之前部長在這邊答詢所說的也在我們這個後續建第一批兩艘建造合約都簽署都有明訂待原型建要通過海撤之後才會支付款項"},{"start":445.979,"end":464.057,"text":"那有關這個台船這個後續他們繼續的規劃或者是人員的這部分據我們的了解台船根據這個在預算方面他們也有做他們自己的這個規劃跟這個相關的應付的措施那可以在"},{"start":464.898,"end":476.429,"text":"他們的自己的計畫內繼續的推動這個潛艦國造的各項的細部的工作不會影響後續艦的進度好 就台船在這個合理的範圍之內還有辦法 還是會持續推進是的"},{"start":481.094,"end":506.212,"text":"我們第一艘自製的潛艦可能會遇到很多的困難我相信我們不管是國防部還是海軍都已經感受到了需要逐一的去克服解決不但需要這個時間也必須以安全和品質為優先按部就班來完成尤其是我們官兵安全應該是要擺在首要的位階也藉此再提醒一次我們國防部"},{"start":507.212,"end":521.563,"text":"務必要確保安全才能執行後續的作業也讓之後的這個潛艦測試能夠平安順利的進行那也有利於我們未來我們所造出的潛艦是真的能夠發揮最大的效應那另外"},{"start":522.284,"end":547.875,"text":"同樣針對這個海軍戰力提升還有我們明年元旦要成立的這個冰海作戰指揮部目前我們已經知道規劃是納入海豐大隊還有海偵部光六飛彈快艇以及這個自海飛彈修復中心等單位並且賦予他這個軍團級的作戰部隊的位階相關的經費也已經編列到明年度的這個預算當中那"},{"start":548.675,"end":562.045,"text":"先前我們參謀長在備詢的時候有提到我們的兵子部在防務不只24海里目前針對兵子部的任務是否有更明確的一個劃分包括未來"},{"start":563.941,"end":580.492,"text":"這個與我們建址部在指揮鏈的這個關係當中會不會出現權責不清的部分那並且與這個海巡的這個協調又如何來配合是不是針對這個部分我們還是就能夠公開的部分做簡要的說明"},{"start":581.392,"end":607.267,"text":"報委員跟您報告當初我們在編設這個濱海作戰指揮部的時候就是根據作戰的需求來設計的所有的這個編制裝備跟人員都是在這個作戰指揮店的一條線下規劃出來了所以現在已經針對在作戰的時候建址部如何運用局指揮這個濱海作戰指揮部的這一部分都有明確的詳細的律定"},{"start":608.368,"end":617.72,"text":"另外有關後續相關的這個人員的編織的調整裝備的獲得以及這個海巡的協調實際上現在是按計畫在進行並沒有上面自來的問題"},{"start":621.466,"end":648.338,"text":"沒問題 都在按計畫在進行好 那針對我們這個反艦飛彈的部分我們也向美方採購了100套400枚的這個岸置魚叉飛彈系統在2026年底我們要先交運32套那其中部分的這個飛彈發射車和雷達車也已經運抵我們台灣由海豐大隊這個接裝訓練那我想請教就是目前我們這個"},{"start":649.659,"end":663.355,"text":"安置魚叉飛彈 籌貨的進度如何第一批的飛彈 彈體是否確定可以在年底前交付敢在我們兵子部成立前能夠就定位這部分請海軍常務長回答"},{"start":664.325,"end":686.858,"text":"委員好 有關賓子部目前都還在整個編設的規劃上那整個時間節點會到明年的我們現在是暫顧是明年的年中七月份才會有初步的編裝的一個生效那我們這整個的推顧也是按照整個飛彈的裝備 接裝的結角 接收的一個部分"},{"start":687.378,"end":711.608,"text":"那目前的話那個後續的話大概會到年底到年明年年初會陸續的這個會開始陸陸續續的這個膠狀的節點會陸陸續續來推動那後面重點就是在在明年部分我們也會依照這個編社所需要這個部分還要再跟廣部去把未來的這個到明年年中之前把我們的前置作業給完成拿來達到他應該有的一個關鍵戰力的一個前置作業"},{"start":712.435,"end":730.215,"text":"好 那我們飛彈可以按照期程就定位吧就是從年底到明年第一第二季都是陸陸續續的在做這些遞交好 那另外再最後一個問題我想請教一下我們兵子部對無人機無人艇的運用有沒有提出相關的規劃和需求"},{"start":732.097,"end":760.055,"text":"是 報告委員就是說有關於無人機跟無人艇的部分現在我們都已經規劃在兵子部的整個兵海打擊的重層結集這一段所以這兩類的規劃我們都已經納入了相關的建案的程序但是因為很多的BN社還有預算的BN社還沒有完全獲付預算以前我們詳細的內容我們比較抱歉沒有辦法提供比較細部那委員如果需要的部分我們再到委員辦公室跟向委員做報告"},{"start":760.635,"end":761.399,"text":"好 謝謝我們副參謀長 謝謝好 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